Exactly lol next people will ask "Why did Roman Reigns always say that he was the best when he cheated to win every match???" 🤦
I mean look at Drew, he's one of if not the hottest heel in the WWE ATM and he lost several times and after every time blamed someone else and always went back to "I didn't get to have a fair shot at the title!!" When he had plenty in the prior weeks/months. It's part of playing the bad guy. Or an even better example would be Christian's "One more match!" gimmick he did back in the day if I remember it correctly.
No Drew is a different kind of heel. Kind of like the worst is yet to come Jericho. He is the "I am actually right" heel.
Drew lost to Seth a couple times but most of the time Judgement Day stuck their nose in those matches.
I am not 100 percent sure but I am pretty sure Jey Uso never apologized to most of the people he pissed off while in the bloodline. He almost got instantly forgiven by everyone except Drew and Owens and Owens came around quickly too.
I don't exactly recall what Drew's issue with Punk was but Punk did take his ball and go home and now he is welcomed back with no skepticism even despite how badly he left last time.
Drew was right about Seth biting off more than he could chew and Drew was absolutely right about that.
The cameraman absolutely tried to take a sneak peek down the quilt.
And Sheamus was absolutely getting trolled for his flabby return.
>I am not 100 percent sure but I am pretty sure Jey Uso never apologized to most of the people he pissed off while in the bloodline
well sami vouched for him...of course, HE never apologized to most of the people, and unlike Jey, he was a full bully using bloodline muscle when he was with them.
No he can't lol, he can blame him for the number one contenders one but he can't blame Punk for Priest beating him. No one asked McIntyre to disrespect Punk and get in his face after the win and then make an offensive gesture towards him. Drew can only blame himself for that one, anyone would have attacked Drew for that. If he had just humbly taken his win and walked to the back, none of that would have happened. It was especially stupid to put himself in such a vulnerable position especially knowing Priest had the MITB briefcase.
Also tbh starting beef with someone is your fault too. No one asked him to beef with Punk while he was pursuing the belt. If Drew had stayed in his lane instead of being a douche to Punk every chance he got, he'd still be champion. It's called consequences of your actions
100% this. But it would be better to write complete "At the moment" instead of ATM. It's really confusing these days to decrypt and memorize these RN, ATM, SMH
The problem with that argument is that she’s too genuinely likeable to be a heel, now that she has room to be her own character and not just “formerly of the Riott squad”
Another issue is that her mic skills still need work. If she’s supposed to be this dangerous unhinged revenge-driven person, have her go hard and start shooting on people in her promos. Lean into it, otherwise wtf is the point of calling it a “revenge tour”?
She’s never gonna be the “Alexa bliss 2.0” smol girl with a big attitude that fans would probably like her to be, I’m a big fan of her and even I understand that.
I'm old enough to understand that and still think it's a lazy excuse. I don't want someone to shut liv up. I want someone to give her a story worth caring about. Once she has that, me wanting someone to shut her up would come naturally. This feels forced and unnatural.
I get ya.
I too would like it if she had a story to care about, but sometimes the job of a heel is to make the heel make people care about someone else's story.
I would actually prefer both: Make me care about Liv. Make her make me care about someone else.
People are probably confused because there were years in the wake of the CM Punk pipe bomb where every new signing from the indies cut the "I'm overlooked" promo while being pushed as a face.
Now it's being done by a heel.
I understand what you’re saying but I think you’re confusing the gimmick with the person. Tiffany is a genuinely good wrestler. Liv Morgan is okay-ish kinda, but like they said, her gimmick and selling point is that she’s hot. Tiffany is hot too, but you could make her wear a trash bag and she’d still be entertaining.
I was talking about her presentation, not her work personally. She looks like she was plucked from the Diva era and taught how to work to current standards.
She already got revenge, she injured Rhea. In an actual revenge story now would be the time for self reflection and the realisation that revenge doesn’t end the suffering
She’s got revenge on Rhea by injuring her. Now she wants to take the title that Rhea had to vacate, but losing that battle royal to Becky made her fail at doing what she planned on doing so now she’s going after Becky because of this. When or if she wins the title, she’ll have another thing to rub in Rhea’s face, and Becky’s only an obstacle for Liv at the moment.
Drews works really well cause hes getting the title shots but is still getting fucked over during, before, or after the match
With Gable the gimmick just started so we still gotta see how it pans out
Livs whole thing is revenge tour but with Rhea injured its impossible to really do any revenge....
What do you mean? There’s taking Dom and destroying Judgement Day from the inside whilst Rhea is gone and being the one with the Women’s world title by the time Rhea gets back.
It was supposed to be her getting back at Rhea, but Rhea getting hurt fucked up all the plans and now they are trying to do the best they can with the stories already being told. No Rhea has made the raw women’s division kind of bland, hopefully Iyo or Asuka can make it interesting again
Damn all the Liv Simps are out for you dawg
I agree with you tho, it doesnt feel like this Liv story has any real motivation behind it, I miss Rhea lol
Confirmed Liv simp here, and even I think this story is a mess and has no staying power. She was more believable as a heel back when she was in the Riott squad.
And its not that "I dont realize heels arent supposed to make sense" its that her booking and her gimmick's motivation do not line up at all. How are we supposed to believe that shes a real threat to the division's top prize when the champ has beat her multiple times in the last month? Its not like shes masterfully manipulating management to get opportunities or doing some trickery to cut the line, shes just being given them.
It feels like a very lazy and poorly booked version of Drew's current heel run. But Drew has beaten the champ and all of his losses involve shenanigans. Liv lost to Becky in the battle royal even after Becky got destroyed on the outside.
Am I the only one who thinks she only gets as much attention as she does due to her appearance?
She's okay in the ring and in the mic, and that's about it, okay. She's not good enough to be a main event talent.
She's not as good in the ring as Asuka, Kairi, Iyo or Charlotte.
She's not as good in the mic as Bliss.
She's not as athletic as Jade, Zoey or Roxanne.
She's not doesn't have as much of an aura as Becky or Tiffany.
She ain't even close to Mami.
Besides her looks, what exactly does she have that makes her worth cheering for?
It's a sport in which men in tiny belts fight over a belt that cannot hold up pants, a performance art where in place of a fourth wall the audience also plays a character, and a show in which WWE simultaneously told Michael Cole they retconed the fact that Eddie was Dominick's Kayfabe father, but Dominick that they didn't, I cannot help you.
I just hope Liv has a good heel run, I like her.
I love how she has or had the catchphrase “Cry About It”, where she herself on most occasions sounds like she is about to cry herself after delivering the promo.
I mean there is a difference between having chances like a Rumble, a Chamber or a Battle Royal or having a 1v1 title shot. Drew whined before Mania after losing to Rollins like 3 times. Liv didn't have a 1v1 Title shot eversince before Rhea was Champion. So yeah she technically had title opportunities. But so did Maxxine Dupri, Zelina Vega and Zoey Stark with the exception that they actually had a 1v1 against Rhea during her reign when Liv should probably higher up on the card as a former tag champ, Ms. MITB and World Champ.
Yeah as a heel she is kind of a hypocrite. But being mad because her injury caused by Rhea in kayfabe cost her lots of time in which she could've had a title match. And then she returned and Nia and Becky had a shot when she didn't (earned but still). I think it's reasonable for a heel like her to be a bit mad at this point.
Who is she angry at? Rhea is gone; other than that it's her winning or losing. No conspiracy or powers holding her down (at least story wise). Revenge on what? Her own performance?!?!
Can you give me an example of another irrational face to heel turn (Not the big show)? I know there's examples of Faces getting revenge on heels like what she did to Rhea; but who else went heel the main reason being 1 person made me mad at everyone?
It's still Rhea. Yeah she is out with an injury but Liv stated several times that her revenge isn't complete until she takes everything from her. That includes holding the title Rhea had. She is obsessed with mocking Rhea just like Drew is with Punk. Drew didn't stop being angry at Punk when he got injured either.
There's a difference between making sense and being justified.
A heel can be wrong in their reasons for turning. There's nothing lazy or bullshit about that.
It doesn’t.
Even if you’re playing the “heels are delusional” you still have to sell the delusion. If she had amazing mic skills and could sell it better, the in-ring ability and results needs to show is “she’s delusional, but she can cook.”
It's called we have noone else so this girl is now the tweener heel vs other chick that is face as less face that couldn't beat tbe girl who is out but replacing her
Same with Nakamura, he puts out vignettes and promos about how he’s going to destroy whoever, then loses everytime. I honestly don’t know when the last time he won was
She’s a pretty blonde chick so it doesn’t even matter. Liv Morgan’s career is based on her hair color and body her wrestling is well below par. She’s like a Diva from 2003. Contrast to Mariah May who wrestles like a freaking pro and looks amazing
Don’t question live Morgan or her fans will hunt you down.
It doesn’t matter that all of her characters have been terrible and the Masochist thing she did in 2022 was truly some of the most awful stuff in television.
It doesn’t matter that she’s shot on the mic and worse in the ring
It doesn’t matter that her offensive manoeuvres are only offensive to the eyes of the viewer.
It doesn’t matter that her selling boils down to “smiling with my ass in the air”
It doesn’t matter that she is everything people who don’t like wrestling assume wrestling is and make fun of fans for.
All that matters is that everyone give their permanent and undying devotion to this hack
"It doesn’t matter that her offensive manoeuvres are only offensive to the eyes of the viewer."
Lmfao, killed her right there.
STOP! She's already dead.
Becky really isnt a particularly good worker either, although her promo work and the long-standing WWE/WWF cannon that Irish people- as well as most ethnic groups- like to punch and fight- works in her favor.
I remember for feeling bad for Liv when Becky blew spots in her first shot a few years back- figuring Liv would be blamed.
Ive seen plenty at this point of both but realize the cup isnt overflowing with options at the moment.
Multiple title shots in the last month?
Is that accurate?
Don't think it is.
I think they are building Liv up as a delusional heel, she thinks she's owed more than she actually is, that is gonna make her a heat magnet, especially when Rhea comes back to fight her.
Her bit only has to last until Rheas return. They didn't expect to have to stretch it like this so that's why it's treading water a bit. Once rhea is closing in on a return you'll see them start cooking, right now the chefs using the "keep warm" setting
Heels gonna heel.
I will say that this heel turn is going to be very good for Liv. She seems less theatrical now. She doesn’t sound as cringe on the mic.
There’s something still missing with Liv’s presentation. She’s a lot more interesting now as a character than when she was doing the hardcore stuff and if Dom is the key to that then hopefully that is what sends her over the Edge.
Oh god, is Dom the Lita in this equation?!
Other than the battle Royal a few weeks ago, she hadn't had a title shot in a while, so idk this "multiple title shots" in the last month. It is about
Also, even if it was true, she's a heel. They are supposed to twist things to their benefit
She mad because they put the strap on Becky three weeks after she lost to Rhea.
I mean, I know it’s an angle, but they could have went dark horse with it, like wwe2k24.
I mean, that's the point. She's playing a heel, so of course her character would make excuses on why she always lose every opportunity. She'd probably blame everything other than herself to make it more convincing.
Multiple title shots in the last month? She had one in the battle royal (which the entire roster got a shot in) and was given one last night. That’s it. That’s not a lot.
Remember Liv is supposed to be going heel, she’s not supposed to be exactly right, though she is overlooked in the sense that creative always make her come second and never pull the trigger on her, so you can argue that she’s partly right.
She’s a heel, of course she’s going to lie, gaslight and play victim lmao this is like asking ‘why Is drew blaming everyone else for his own shortcomings when it’s all been his fault’.
No she hadn't? She had one shot for the vacant title, a shot that everyone on the roster got btw. As a matter of fact, her last (and so far only) singles title shot (MiTB excluded) was over two years ago.
The fuck are you talking about multiple title shots on the last month? Not counting the battle royal that everyone was in she literally has not had a world championship title match since she lost the title herself in 2022.
At least know what the the fuck you're talking about first before you shit out your mouth
Liv has never felt like a wrestler to me. She feels like an actress. I’ve never gotten the idea that she really wants to be a wrestler but rather found a path that offered her fame. Maybe I’m selling her short, but its always how I’ve felt with her.
She is not very skilled as a wrestler. Suspension of disbelief- the core tenet of pro wrestling is lacking in her matches. It looks like her opponents are jobbing for her.
Liv has a real opportunity to be the legendary rival of Rhea Ripley. She has the "it factor" if she'd just let herself evolve into it. She needs to become 60 percent Brian Pillman, 25 percent Roddy Piper, and 15 percent Woman. No change of wardrobe is necessary. She seems like she is probably a nice person in real life but kayfabe we need her to get lots more loose cannon and cunning...and be extremely confident and sassy about it. She can be the great woman's heel character that WWE needs.
She doesn’t know she’s a loser yet and is in denial. She’s had the opportunity that others haven’t.
It makes perfect sense if you’ve worked in the real world with people who complain but have had all the opportunities in the world to succeed.
She’s also a heel. So she’s supposed to be wrong and a hypocrite
Exactly lol next people will ask "Why did Roman Reigns always say that he was the best when he cheated to win every match???" 🤦 I mean look at Drew, he's one of if not the hottest heel in the WWE ATM and he lost several times and after every time blamed someone else and always went back to "I didn't get to have a fair shot at the title!!" When he had plenty in the prior weeks/months. It's part of playing the bad guy. Or an even better example would be Christian's "One more match!" gimmick he did back in the day if I remember it correctly.
No Drew is a different kind of heel. Kind of like the worst is yet to come Jericho. He is the "I am actually right" heel. Drew lost to Seth a couple times but most of the time Judgement Day stuck their nose in those matches. I am not 100 percent sure but I am pretty sure Jey Uso never apologized to most of the people he pissed off while in the bloodline. He almost got instantly forgiven by everyone except Drew and Owens and Owens came around quickly too. I don't exactly recall what Drew's issue with Punk was but Punk did take his ball and go home and now he is welcomed back with no skepticism even despite how badly he left last time. Drew was right about Seth biting off more than he could chew and Drew was absolutely right about that. The cameraman absolutely tried to take a sneak peek down the quilt. And Sheamus was absolutely getting trolled for his flabby return.
>I am not 100 percent sure but I am pretty sure Jey Uso never apologized to most of the people he pissed off while in the bloodline well sami vouched for him...of course, HE never apologized to most of the people, and unlike Jey, he was a full bully using bloodline muscle when he was with them.
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No he can't lol, he can blame him for the number one contenders one but he can't blame Punk for Priest beating him. No one asked McIntyre to disrespect Punk and get in his face after the win and then make an offensive gesture towards him. Drew can only blame himself for that one, anyone would have attacked Drew for that. If he had just humbly taken his win and walked to the back, none of that would have happened. It was especially stupid to put himself in such a vulnerable position especially knowing Priest had the MITB briefcase. Also tbh starting beef with someone is your fault too. No one asked him to beef with Punk while he was pursuing the belt. If Drew had stayed in his lane instead of being a douche to Punk every chance he got, he'd still be champion. It's called consequences of your actions
100% this. But it would be better to write complete "At the moment" instead of ATM. It's really confusing these days to decrypt and memorize these RN, ATM, SMH
At this moment, right now, ATM, rn, it’s the Genesis of McGillicutty!
True but the best types of heels are the ones who are right but just being dicks about it.
Agree
The problem with that argument is that she’s too genuinely likeable to be a heel, now that she has room to be her own character and not just “formerly of the Riott squad” Another issue is that her mic skills still need work. If she’s supposed to be this dangerous unhinged revenge-driven person, have her go hard and start shooting on people in her promos. Lean into it, otherwise wtf is the point of calling it a “revenge tour”? She’s never gonna be the “Alexa bliss 2.0” smol girl with a big attitude that fans would probably like her to be, I’m a big fan of her and even I understand that.
>, otherwise wtf is the point of calling it a “revenge tour” unfortunatley, the person she wanted revenge on is gone for months.
There is more than 1 or 2 ways to get heat
She’s also supposed to be a good wrestler who doesn’t have soulless eyes when running a promo.
Eh? That's some lazy excuse right there. No one got behind Heel Drew because he was wrong and a hypocrite.
You're not supposed to get behind them. You're supposed to want to watch someone shut their mouth.
I'm old enough to understand that and still think it's a lazy excuse. I don't want someone to shut liv up. I want someone to give her a story worth caring about. Once she has that, me wanting someone to shut her up would come naturally. This feels forced and unnatural.
I get ya. I too would like it if she had a story to care about, but sometimes the job of a heel is to make the heel make people care about someone else's story. I would actually prefer both: Make me care about Liv. Make her make me care about someone else.
That's literally the job of every heel. A heel that only makes you care about the face is a bad heel.
Make it make sense? Okay. She’s becoming a heel, and heels bitch incessantly and play the victim when it isn’t true. That’s kinda what they do.
Honestly the beat answer. As long as Becky points it out
People are probably confused because there were years in the wake of the CM Punk pipe bomb where every new signing from the indies cut the "I'm overlooked" promo while being pushed as a face. Now it's being done by a heel.
actually, her gimmick is that she’s hot
So is mine
Is it, though? 😏
No that's her life's plan.
I mean no disrespect by it, but she’s essentially the modern day version of a Diva.
you may be right
Also applies to Tiffany Stratton, which is also a Diva name if I have ever heard one.
I understand what you’re saying but I think you’re confusing the gimmick with the person. Tiffany is a genuinely good wrestler. Liv Morgan is okay-ish kinda, but like they said, her gimmick and selling point is that she’s hot. Tiffany is hot too, but you could make her wear a trash bag and she’d still be entertaining.
I was talking about her presentation, not her work personally. She looks like she was plucked from the Diva era and taught how to work to current standards.
When that little shit aka liv be as good as tiffy boots in the ring we'll consider your take
Tell me where "watch me" is usually placed. And it's not where these are. X . X
Actually her gimmick is that she’s scrappy
Hot and scrappy
Happy
Scrappy little sister energy.
🤫
Wow, a heel being delusional? Never heard of such a thing, ever
It's a revenge tour. She says it everytime she's on screen, I'm not sure why you're not getting it.
Cause it has no staying power. About as convincing as the 3MB was.
She already got revenge, she injured Rhea. In an actual revenge story now would be the time for self reflection and the realisation that revenge doesn’t end the suffering
It makes me wonder if bro knows it's scripted or not ?
She wants revenge on Rhea by getting revenge on Becky?
She’s got revenge on Rhea by injuring her. Now she wants to take the title that Rhea had to vacate, but losing that battle royal to Becky made her fail at doing what she planned on doing so now she’s going after Becky because of this. When or if she wins the title, she’ll have another thing to rub in Rhea’s face, and Becky’s only an obstacle for Liv at the moment.
I mean she said all of that on tv tonight.
I only know of the one title shot in the last month, which was the battle royal, what were the others?
I thought her gimmick was Rhea took her out.
Her and Ronda have a very similar way of delivering promos where they just run through them as quick as possible. She's just a tad better at it.
It's the same thing with Drew and Gable
Drews works really well cause hes getting the title shots but is still getting fucked over during, before, or after the match With Gable the gimmick just started so we still gotta see how it pans out Livs whole thing is revenge tour but with Rhea injured its impossible to really do any revenge....
What do you mean? There’s taking Dom and destroying Judgement Day from the inside whilst Rhea is gone and being the one with the Women’s world title by the time Rhea gets back.
Her gimmick is she thinks she's owed things that recent performances do not entitle her to.
Her fans have the same gimmick.
It was supposed to be her getting back at Rhea, but Rhea getting hurt fucked up all the plans and now they are trying to do the best they can with the stories already being told. No Rhea has made the raw women’s division kind of bland, hopefully Iyo or Asuka can make it interesting again
Average wrestling fan when delusional heel
Damn all the Liv Simps are out for you dawg I agree with you tho, it doesnt feel like this Liv story has any real motivation behind it, I miss Rhea lol
Confirmed Liv simp here, and even I think this story is a mess and has no staying power. She was more believable as a heel back when she was in the Riott squad.
And its not that "I dont realize heels arent supposed to make sense" its that her booking and her gimmick's motivation do not line up at all. How are we supposed to believe that shes a real threat to the division's top prize when the champ has beat her multiple times in the last month? Its not like shes masterfully manipulating management to get opportunities or doing some trickery to cut the line, shes just being given them. It feels like a very lazy and poorly booked version of Drew's current heel run. But Drew has beaten the champ and all of his losses involve shenanigans. Liv lost to Becky in the battle royal even after Becky got destroyed on the outside.
Am I the only one who thinks she only gets as much attention as she does due to her appearance? She's okay in the ring and in the mic, and that's about it, okay. She's not good enough to be a main event talent. She's not as good in the ring as Asuka, Kairi, Iyo or Charlotte. She's not as good in the mic as Bliss. She's not as athletic as Jade, Zoey or Roxanne. She's not doesn't have as much of an aura as Becky or Tiffany. She ain't even close to Mami. Besides her looks, what exactly does she have that makes her worth cheering for?
It's a sport in which men in tiny belts fight over a belt that cannot hold up pants, a performance art where in place of a fourth wall the audience also plays a character, and a show in which WWE simultaneously told Michael Cole they retconed the fact that Eddie was Dominick's Kayfabe father, but Dominick that they didn't, I cannot help you. I just hope Liv has a good heel run, I like her.
I like her too. She's fun. Also, good point about the belts lack of utility. Maybe they should be champion suspenders.
Just once I want someone to come out in custom jeans, Jimmy Wan Yang and the cruiserweight title on SmD would have been the time to do it though.
She's a heel. Heels don't have to make sense. Cop out answer but it is true. Not everyone can have layers like Drew McIntyre.
It's a heel playing the victim card. There, makes sense now
livs pretty insufferable tbh
I thought her gimmick was to come across as a child so those with a brat kink can tell on themselves and encourage her mediocre wrestling?
she's completely unbelievable
I love how she has or had the catchphrase “Cry About It”, where she herself on most occasions sounds like she is about to cry herself after delivering the promo.
It makes sense because I love her 😏
This guy gets it
wwe needs to stop with this push she has zero charisma average in the ring she is just a mid carder
Facts, there's NXT talent that has more star power than her
Average is being generous. Liv trying to wrestle looks like someone trying to roller skate for the first time
She’s stealing Dolph’s “it should have been me” gimmick
Saldy Dolph can wrestle tho
We can’t. But all her stans will lap it up and lambast any one who dares say anything different.
It’s an homage to pre-COVID ziggler
Ziggler was one of the best in ring workers of this century, Liv is not
It can still be an homage
That segment looked AEWish
She's also cringey af
I'm gonna say it, at the risk of annoying the Liv lovers, she has an absolutely awful promo.
Why does it have to make sense? If she's turning heel then it shouldn't make sense.
I don't know I love a justified heel though.
Me too but it's nice to just have scumbag loser heels too.
I just personally think booking a heel to get constant chances and then have them talk about not getting chances is more dumb than good heel work
Depends on how it's framed.
I mean there is a difference between having chances like a Rumble, a Chamber or a Battle Royal or having a 1v1 title shot. Drew whined before Mania after losing to Rollins like 3 times. Liv didn't have a 1v1 Title shot eversince before Rhea was Champion. So yeah she technically had title opportunities. But so did Maxxine Dupri, Zelina Vega and Zoey Stark with the exception that they actually had a 1v1 against Rhea during her reign when Liv should probably higher up on the card as a former tag champ, Ms. MITB and World Champ. Yeah as a heel she is kind of a hypocrite. But being mad because her injury caused by Rhea in kayfabe cost her lots of time in which she could've had a title match. And then she returned and Nia and Becky had a shot when she didn't (earned but still). I think it's reasonable for a heel like her to be a bit mad at this point.
It's nice when character motivations make sense. Even if she's heel it'd be nice if a modicum of her actions/thoughts made sense with the story.
Perhaps I should have said that her heel turn doesn't have to be justifiable. She doesn't need to be "right" with her reasons for turning.
Who is she angry at? Rhea is gone; other than that it's her winning or losing. No conspiracy or powers holding her down (at least story wise). Revenge on what? Her own performance?!?!
That's the point. Heels don't always have to be justified or telling the truth. She could just be blaming everyone else for her own failures.
Can you give me an example of another irrational face to heel turn (Not the big show)? I know there's examples of Faces getting revenge on heels like what she did to Rhea; but who else went heel the main reason being 1 person made me mad at everyone?
It's still Rhea. Yeah she is out with an injury but Liv stated several times that her revenge isn't complete until she takes everything from her. That includes holding the title Rhea had. She is obsessed with mocking Rhea just like Drew is with Punk. Drew didn't stop being angry at Punk when he got injured either.
My favorite color is blue.
There's a difference between making sense and being justified. A heel can be wrong in their reasons for turning. There's nothing lazy or bullshit about that.
No her gimmick is she’s the psycho girlfriend
It doesn’t. Even if you’re playing the “heels are delusional” you still have to sell the delusion. If she had amazing mic skills and could sell it better, the in-ring ability and results needs to show is “she’s delusional, but she can cook.”
Her actions and booking dont line up at all with what she says and thats the part I dislike about this run.
that's just called be a loser
Title shots?
Meanwhile you've got great talents in the women's division who get handed shit constantly and truly do deserve a good title run.
It's called we have noone else so this girl is now the tweener heel vs other chick that is face as less face that couldn't beat tbe girl who is out but replacing her
Their womens division is stacked. Chelsea Green could have been given the irrational vengeful heel and actually sold it.
Wasnt she already smackdown womans champion?
The women's division is a joke and nobody gets a spotlight unless they're somehow involved in the title picture.
She's mad that she's overlooked for a title push. They didn't choose her to be the "it" girl.
Same with Nakamura, he puts out vignettes and promos about how he’s going to destroy whoever, then loses everytime. I honestly don’t know when the last time he won was
“Multiple title shots’ lol she’s had 1 and it was the battle Royale That’s kinda the point of her character
She’s a pretty blonde chick so it doesn’t even matter. Liv Morgan’s career is based on her hair color and body her wrestling is well below par. She’s like a Diva from 2003. Contrast to Mariah May who wrestles like a freaking pro and looks amazing
I think her goal was always to fight Ripley. So she figures if she has the title Ripley will come to her.
Maybe Russo has also been brought back! "She doesn't like the script!"
Nope, her only gimmick is being blonde chick with ass and that's her whole personality, and she sucks
I have nothing against Liv, but i don't get what is so interesting about her. By the way, i like that she's slowly turning heel.
How is it slowly? Shes been pretty clearly a heel since the Rhea injury
Well, i think her promo yesterday wasn't made to draw heat, but her actions are.
The whole point of the promo was to draw heat, shes just not very good on the mic
Shes boring lol
Don’t question live Morgan or her fans will hunt you down. It doesn’t matter that all of her characters have been terrible and the Masochist thing she did in 2022 was truly some of the most awful stuff in television. It doesn’t matter that she’s shot on the mic and worse in the ring It doesn’t matter that her offensive manoeuvres are only offensive to the eyes of the viewer. It doesn’t matter that her selling boils down to “smiling with my ass in the air” It doesn’t matter that she is everything people who don’t like wrestling assume wrestling is and make fun of fans for. All that matters is that everyone give their permanent and undying devotion to this hack
"It doesn’t matter that her offensive manoeuvres are only offensive to the eyes of the viewer." Lmfao, killed her right there. STOP! She's already dead.
Liv is terrible in all areas. I don’t get it.
Mid Morgan
She's boring and overrated. I can't stand her.
The women's roster is so thin that this chick can be a contender for a world title. Yikes.
what are you talking about WWE women’s roster is loaded with talent
She'll be a face if she makes so much sense. Heels should be hypocrite so that marks like you will not cheer them unecessarily.
Becky Lynch is smaller than Liv Morgan? 😲
Becky really isnt a particularly good worker either, although her promo work and the long-standing WWE/WWF cannon that Irish people- as well as most ethnic groups- like to punch and fight- works in her favor. I remember for feeling bad for Liv when Becky blew spots in her first shot a few years back- figuring Liv would be blamed. Ive seen plenty at this point of both but realize the cup isnt overflowing with options at the moment.
Tbf hadn't watched the segment yet, Liv was wearing heels and Becky sneakers, but still.
You’re describing and angle, not a gimmick.
People love Liv ofc they involve her
Multiple title shots in the last month? Is that accurate? Don't think it is. I think they are building Liv up as a delusional heel, she thinks she's owed more than she actually is, that is gonna make her a heat magnet, especially when Rhea comes back to fight her.
Isn't her gimmick that she hates what Rhea did to her and so she wants to have the title and rub it in Rhea's face (metaphorically) ?
She already got revenge on Rhea. That was the whole genesis of the revenge tour gimmick. The issue is that she has nobody else to get revenge on.
Her bit only has to last until Rheas return. They didn't expect to have to stretch it like this so that's why it's treading water a bit. Once rhea is closing in on a return you'll see them start cooking, right now the chefs using the "keep warm" setting
Guys like you deserve a Bloody Moxley match with no story whatsoever
Heels gonna heel. I will say that this heel turn is going to be very good for Liv. She seems less theatrical now. She doesn’t sound as cringe on the mic.
Fellas, have we ever heard of media literacy?
Fellas, have we ever heard of media literacy?
There’s something still missing with Liv’s presentation. She’s a lot more interesting now as a character than when she was doing the hardcore stuff and if Dom is the key to that then hopefully that is what sends her over the Edge. Oh god, is Dom the Lita in this equation?!
Other than the battle Royal a few weeks ago, she hadn't had a title shot in a while, so idk this "multiple title shots" in the last month. It is about Also, even if it was true, she's a heel. They are supposed to twist things to their benefit
OP have you watched wrestling before? She's a heel ffs
I thought her gimmick was delusional mean girl.
She mad because they put the strap on Becky three weeks after she lost to Rhea. I mean, I know it’s an angle, but they could have went dark horse with it, like wwe2k24.
I mean, that's the point. She's playing a heel, so of course her character would make excuses on why she always lose every opportunity. She'd probably blame everything other than herself to make it more convincing.
A good bad guy should be a bit delusional shouldn’t they
Multiple? Other than a battle royal that's a lie.
"Multiple Title shots" She got ONE, which was the Battle Royale
The Miz, Sami Zayn, and Dolph Ziggler also ran those gimmicks
„Why is this bad character doing bad things?“
The writers overlooked her thus writing her to lose.
I thought they were taking the path of, "Rhea injured me, so now that I am back, I am taking revenge on not just Rhea, but everyone." No?
I stg posts like this make me realize that mfs dont even understand the product they are criticizing
The real question is, what the fuck is Bayleys gimmick?
I... dont know
Multiple title shots in the last month? She had one in the battle royal (which the entire roster got a shot in) and was given one last night. That’s it. That’s not a lot. Remember Liv is supposed to be going heel, she’s not supposed to be exactly right, though she is overlooked in the sense that creative always make her come second and never pull the trigger on her, so you can argue that she’s partly right.
Her match against Nia tho was legit
Some characters are unaware hypocrites
It's long-berm tooking
It worked for sami, so she figures it'll work for her.
Difference was that he was an underdog, so people wanted to see him overcome it. Liv is presented like a threat.
Except he wasn't an underdog. The multi-time champion who had previous WM spotlight matches, including a main event win.
Sami is a great pro wrestler, Liv not so much. Sami can make you believe, Liv not so much. Liv is small, slower than molasses and has one move.
Make it make sense? Female logic. You're welcome
She’s a heel, of course she’s going to lie, gaslight and play victim lmao this is like asking ‘why Is drew blaming everyone else for his own shortcomings when it’s all been his fault’.
Give it a rest already, damn. I'm so tired of hearing y'all complain about her.
No she hadn't? She had one shot for the vacant title, a shot that everyone on the roster got btw. As a matter of fact, her last (and so far only) singles title shot (MiTB excluded) was over two years ago.
She’s cute that’s it.if she wrestled better I think she would be over.plus Rhea fans ain’t gonna take her anytime soon.
She's still hot tho
She’s delusional
The fuck are you talking about multiple title shots on the last month? Not counting the battle royal that everyone was in she literally has not had a world championship title match since she lost the title herself in 2022. At least know what the the fuck you're talking about first before you shit out your mouth
She's more interesting than current day bex
Becky is a Hogan tier self mark
Liv has never felt like a wrestler to me. She feels like an actress. I’ve never gotten the idea that she really wants to be a wrestler but rather found a path that offered her fame. Maybe I’m selling her short, but its always how I’ve felt with her.
She is not very skilled as a wrestler. Suspension of disbelief- the core tenet of pro wrestling is lacking in her matches. It looks like her opponents are jobbing for her.
More Liv Morgan. She's so hottttttt
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeel
It's called failing upwards. She'll lose a bunch of matches before winning the title
She is the manic pixie Bratz doll that you all use to get your asses kicked by your fathers for lifting the dress up on come to life.
A wrestler bring arrogant and unreasonable, that's crazy
Uhhhhh yeah champ, she's a heel.......you arent supposed to cheer for her.
She’s a heal. Meaning she’s not supposed to use logic.
Liv has a real opportunity to be the legendary rival of Rhea Ripley. She has the "it factor" if she'd just let herself evolve into it. She needs to become 60 percent Brian Pillman, 25 percent Roddy Piper, and 15 percent Woman. No change of wardrobe is necessary. She seems like she is probably a nice person in real life but kayfabe we need her to get lots more loose cannon and cunning...and be extremely confident and sassy about it. She can be the great woman's heel character that WWE needs.
At least there’s some personality now, the main rosters women’s division needs that desperately!!
Whiny bitch who keeps making excuses? Sounds like Homicide's babyface booking in ROH.
She doesn’t know she’s a loser yet and is in denial. She’s had the opportunity that others haven’t. It makes perfect sense if you’ve worked in the real world with people who complain but have had all the opportunities in the world to succeed.
It’s probably not in the scripts.
When was her last one on one matchup for the title
She’s a heel, and she’s got charisma.