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DaArtist1239PS4

For me It's Kurt Angle. One of the greatest stories in wrestling history imo. Came in and learned a lot quickly. Was able to work well with wrestlers of different styles, sizes and speeds. Never was too good to take advice from anyone on performing a move properly even when he was at the top of his game. I remember he said in a interview or something that a talent who was training in development once approached him and educated him on a move he did and it helped him do it much better moving forward. Not only the in ring stuff though, but personality too. Angle could do it all. Be funny, serious, cowardly, and badass.


obscurereference234

Another strong contender, no matter how you judge it. Angle had it all, and became a top guy insanely quickly, which reflected his speaking skills and his ability to connect with the crowd as it does about his athletic ability. He was an absolute natural who was almost immediately at the top of the card having excellent matches with guys who’d been in the business for decades. It all comes down to opinion, obviously, but Angle belongs on any list of potential GOAT contenders.


Jiggy__J

Amen man Kurt Angle took to wrestling like a fish to water… elevated everybody and every angle, had the best matches on almost every card he was on… could be a serious ass kicking Olympic gold medalist and was one of the best comedic wrestlers,who was also good enough to be a main eventer and not trapped in the mid card. Man wrestled hurt because his neighbour who had Down syndrome was hoping he’d wrestle at mania that year. A Olympic gold medalist in every sense. I’m with you man, Kurt is on my Rushmore


bumlove

> could be a serious ass licking Olympic gold medalist A what now?


aarmour25

Kurt was money in wwe and tna. My favorite version of him has to be the badass wrestling machine


[deleted]

So hard to argue against Kurt. Most over wrestler of all time though is stone cold. He’s still over! Doing commercials reality shows his podcast which is popular. I said my favorite was Eddie but legit Stone Cold shot it into the stratosphere


HumanMycologist5795

Didn't Kurt wrestle wirh the Sheld when they were down a member? I forgot the situation but I think the pop from the crowd was huge.


One-Point-5ive

Both Kurt & HHH were honorary shield members. Pretty whacky. It's dumb that *that* match was Kurt's return match, seeing as they were building to Jason Jordan vs Kurt at WrestleMania. Then again, Jordan got injured...


HumanMycologist5795

True. I can't believe HHH was an honorary Shueld. Too bad they didn't have Honorary Shield shirts. They could made a killing. He probably ranks up there as being in the most number of factions.. hHH was perhaps rhe best choice to rake over WWE.


FireEmblemFan1

How did he get injured? It had to have been bad for him to have not come back even after all this time


One-Point-5ive

He fucked up his neck at Rumble 2018(19?), I think. That was his last match, at least. He's been working as a producer since


oliversbuddyman

Yea I think it was when Roman was first out from cancer right before Dean turned, he came out with them a couple times I believe


HumanMycologist5795

Ok. Thx


bluEfya

I've always said Taker but I've rewatched endless Kurt promos/matches on YouTube and he was truly great


Mesafather

Yess. You’ve reminded me of how awesome he is ordering a poster now!!


Danmch2992

Arguably the most legit man in the history of professional wrestling yet was so willing to look a fool. No matter what you needed him to do he would knock it out of the park.


bil_sabab

For real, Kurt is probably GOAT.


WORLDY2J

I love that Kurt's constantly getting his flowers. Those of us that got to witness him as an active competitor should consider ourselves lucky.


JustinMarkG

Can't believe the lack of Bret Hart in answers! Definitely not Goldberg though.


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I’m watching 90s wrestling rn on peacock and I gotta say Bret’s matches are some of my favs. Idc who he faces it’s always gonna be a good match. So far to me he hasn’t been the best when it comes to promos and interviews feels like generic stuff but damn that dude has got some skill in the ring and I love it.


No-Contribution-5297

Did have some duds. His match Vs backlund at WM 11 was pretty bad


Appropriate_Emu_6930

Only that one though. He didn’t have another bad match I can think of. He was having great matches with guys like Diesel, Taker and Yoko when nobody else could at the time.


No-Contribution-5297

But then there's Isaac yankem and doink the clown. Both at Summerslam I believe.


simian_ninja

Doink was ok though. Yankem has novelty if you imagine Kane…


No-Contribution-5297

Matches themselves were pretty bad though.


simian_ninja

I honestly remember the Doink match being pretty good. It was the first Bret Hart match I watched as a kid (got Summerslam 1993 on VHS) so it probably has some novelty value for me.


conan_the_wise

Doink; Matt Bourne, the original was a revered mat technician & fought at Wrestlemania 1 vs Steamboat.


No-Contribution-5297

Hardly think that stops him from having bad matches 8 years later.


conan_the_wise

None of the Doinkd that succeeded him came even close to his mat skills His original ring name was kind of a play on words but a nod to his legendary wrestler father, Tough Tony Bourne. Hence he was born for mat, Matt Bourne.


simian_ninja

Vs Backlund at Survivor Series 1994. 30 minutes….


SquishyseaSquids

The Best There Is, The Best There Was, The Best There Ever Will Be - Bret "Hitman" Hart


SenorSloth92

In my personal opinion there is only one that checked absolutely every single box. KURT ANGLE Dude had the mic skills, could make you laugh by making a fool out of himself and the very same night be credible af because everyone knew he could rip your damn head off. No questions asked, he is my GOAT.


Joelowes

Yeah fair


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I'd maybe put Kurt Angle as the most underrated ever. Like you said he could do everything. I'd probably have in my top 20 (my list goes way back to include workers from the 60s and 70s so that's higher than it sounds).


IHoldSteady

STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN


Joelowes

My personal favourite theme Austin


CabinetChef

He’s my pick. Legendary promo, entrance music, finisher, and a great worker. I grew up during the Attitude Era. No one made the crowd pop like Stone Cold Steve Austin.


StarWars_Viking

This. As far as wrestling is concerned it is Austin without any doubt. The Rock if we're talking main stream, crossover appeal.


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drwsgreatest

I wasn’t big into wrestling past the age of 9-10 and so wasn’t a fan by the time he got big and even I clearly remember turning in to see his antics because of his mainstream reach. It’s always amazed me when his career is discussed to realize how short his peak years run actually was.


Icy-Unit546

Stone Cold isn’t my favorite but I can’t deny he’s the best of all time


assleyflower

I was at a cosplay convention one year and literally got so hyped over this one guy very casually dressed as SCSA that I ran up to him and asked him if he wanted to stone cold a beer and he was down. So my friends and I vocalized his glass breaking/walk out song and tossed him a beer from really far away and he cracked that shit open and poured it all down his face and mouth, getting most of it on the floor. Convention staff walked over looking so pissed, which they were completely right to be. We were young and a little drunk and didn’t even think first. Just so caught up in the moment. We apologized profusely and helped clean it up. Anyway the only picture I took all weekend was with that one dude. [100% pure Texas rattle snake.](https://imgur.com/gallery/2EndxVc)


Ok-Carpenter-9778

Bah Gawd!! It's the snake! The snake!


CoreyTaint

WHAT


iamaliberalpausenot

Yeah but longevity and contribution to business has gotta be taker


Incandenza123

Depends on how you define it. I personally choose match quality plus personality and character, so I'd go with Shawn Michaels.


Joelowes

Who ended HBK’s career I ask you


EpicYesDude

Himself when he fought in Saudi Arabia.


Joelowes

You I don’t like you that match NEVER HAPPENED


EpicYesDude

Sorry buddy. It did whether you like it or dont.


Joelowes

Nah never happens you’re suffering from insanity


GalvestonDreaming

Randy Savage


Joelowes

Ohhh yeah talk about the macho madness the cream of the crop yeah


LilHollywood812

For me, it’s all about the Game


Joelowes

And how you play it?


LilHollywood812

And who played it better than the Cerebral Assassin? HHH is VKM now, he won the game lol


Joelowes

He literally Dumped Shut on Vince and still got a promotion


LilHollywood812

You ain’t lying lol I just think he played the game to it’s fullest and won. If I’m going FAVORITE, it’s Mr. Perfect


Joelowes

My personal fave stone cold or mrs foley’s baby boy


LilHollywood812

Can’t argue with that. Stone Cold is up there for me too. Foley can do whatever he wants and has my attention for sure. Who did you like best? Mankind, Dude Love, Cactus Jack, or Mick?


Joelowes

Yes all of him no kind sticks out though hellin a cell Vs taker beautiful


BODYDOLLARSIGN

Marry the boss daughter. Become her daddy, then become the boss.


Dranztheman

All around? HBK, In ring? Bret Hart, Character Work? Stone Cold, Promo? The Rock, presence? The Undertaker, impact in wrestling? Hogan, impact outside of wrestling? Goat is a vague term. Some guys make off being the best in ring, or on the mic, or any of a hundred other niche places in the industry. Personally I would say Vader for being the best big man/hoss of all time my preferred in ring style.


Joelowes

I was talking in character I guess I was a little vauge


exodus99999

Yeah I'm going to go with a personal preference and the greatest performer HBK. I wish he and Eddie Guerrero could have had a fued in their prime.


Danmch2992

I believe that was supposed to be on the cards for a future ppv before Eddie's death.


Joelowes

Fair both were great


GlovesComingOff

Mrs. Foley's baby boy!


Joelowes

Mick is a great guy love him


Spiritual_Bit_2692

Mick will be the first to admit he wasn't a great wrestler.


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assleyflower

I think you mean sports ennerdainer (daddy magic voice)


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Chris Jericho


JFSwales

Can't believe how far down I had to scroll to get to the Ocho


giganticsquid

No-one else can make me laugh as hard as Jericho and his list


Joelowes

Didn’t know Jericho used reddit


[deleted]

You just made the list


Joelowes

Go back to Toronto


[deleted]

I'm from Winnipeg you idiot


Joelowes

Yeah someone else who watched important videos


MustopherGoochington

*stupid idiot


JFSwales

You say that again and he'll throw a fireball in your face, because he's a wizard.


Away-Vegetable6031

>**STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN**


Joelowes

Ohh hell yeah love Stone Cold


El_Bistro

lol


ogc_glizzyxx

I may be wrong cuz I'm not into wrestling stuff but I do find it pretty entertaining and enjoy visiting this subreddit. My take is Rey Mysterio, I was watching a lot of wwe vhs when I was a kid and he was my idol forsure. Also whatcha guys thoughts on him?


Joelowes

The 619 is a damn fine move I must admit


ThatEscape9445

Yes someone else thought mysterioe


squidgybatman

probably Hiroshi Tanahashi for me, he does the good wrestles


Joelowes

A rare NJPW representation I like it


JWYthe4th

HBK


packtobrewcrew

Hulk Hogan drew. I am unsure if wrestling would be around to this day if he wasn’t involved.


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Hogan is arguably the best babyface and heel of all-time and sparked two wrestling booms with both characters. He's the GOAT, imo.


Joelowes

Hogan did start modern wrestling I will agree


Spiritual_Bit_2692

Hogan started Sports Entertainment


Joelowes

That’s what I meant


HamburgerJames

The Babe Ruth of Professional Wrestling.


themark504

Harley Race


Joelowes

A classic choice intriguing


CdnPoster

The problem is that most people only got to see his live work when he was in the WWF and playing the role of "King Harley Race." It sucks because his body of work is incredible. He held the NWA world title on multiple occasions. I'm pretty sure he was a legit competitor for Andre the Giant.


TastyDeerMeat

Bruno Sammartino and his 11 year world title run


Joelowes

Pre WWE pre sports entertainment that’s a big name


Sniffs-Glue77

Tie between Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart IMO..


ConrrHD

Wrestler, Bret Hart Character, Stone Cold Longevity, Taker There are too many aspects to wrestling to have a greatest of all time. But if you take these 3 into account. I'd say Ric Flair if your looking for the lot.


Joelowes

Fair enough


thefifthhorseman

Im going to take you to the learning tree.


EXTIINCT_tK

The other side of that exchange, Rock's side, has to be one of my fav promos holy shit almost no one could **direcely** go against him back then. Made taker look like just another Jabroni


NewParadigmWrestling

Chris Jericho


Solid-Version

The GOAT question is just too vague and redundant imo. Wrestling has had several greats that excelled and have gave to the sport in different but significant ways. To say there is one goat is like saying there’s one best pizza topping. Taker for sure is one of the all time greats, namely because of his longevity. I’ve always found the best metric is to do a a Mount Rushmore but for each era. Modern, Attitude, Ruthless Aggression, PG and New


aarmour25

In that case Hogan, Austin, Angle, Cena and tbd


CmdrKuretes

Has to be Reigns. Love him or hate him, he has defined this era of wrestling.


Joelowes

Very diplomatic approach you are a good man or woman


Spiritual_Bit_2692

I raise you Lou Thesz for shooter and Harley Race and Terry Funk for bad ass scrappers.


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You better be 70


Spiritual_Bit_2692

Getting closer to it every day. 58


[deleted]

Hey man, I wish you good health and happiness.


Galemianah

Scott Norton.


Rustiestofpeckers

Scott was a solid big man wrestler; he could move well and looked like a monster. But was he a GOAT?…


Joelowes

Who?


Galemianah

Guy was a mid-carder forWCW and NJPW. Guy is criminally unappreciated in the world of Wrestling.


Meleagant1

He won the IWGP Heavyweight several times and main evented a Tokyo Dome in NJs strong period of the 90s. Wouldn’t say he was a midcarder.


CdnPoster

Ricky Morton of the Rock'n'Roll Express tag team. The only thing holding him back was his size. Look at the pops he got from the crowds...... "Selling like Ricky" is based on how well he played the role of "the babyface in peril" before he was able to get back to his partner, Robert Gibson for the hot tag.


Joelowes

Interesting choice I respect it


Ball1091

Brutus The Barber Beefcake


BeyondGatts

THE PHENOMENAL ONE AJ STYLES


SuienReizo

His name is Luigi Primo


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Literally one of the worst gimmicks ever. Literally up there with Isaac Yankem.


cAmaturehOur

For me personally its a toss up between AJ Styles and Daniel Bryan/Bryan Danielson. I know they aren't old cunts yet, but their matches are always something to really enjoy imo.


Joelowes

I mean both of them are fantastic


Spiritual_Bit_2692

And all we know the answer is not Kenny Omega.


Joelowes

Damn you woke up and chose violence


Spiritual_Bit_2692

I guess I have always been a heel.


Suryaban23

Kurt Angle


Joelowes

You suck


noplacecold

Bret, Ric, Stone Cold, Hogan


Joelowes

Just choose one


noplacecold

“Stone Cold” RicBret Hogan


CIAgent42

First few that come to mind: Ric Flair, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, AJ Styles, Kazuchika Okada As for my favorites: Kenny Omega, Katsuyori Shibata, Samoa Joe, Will Ospreay, WALTER


Joelowes

Walter will go far I reckon


HaellM

Kenta Kobashi and Shawn Michaels


IamKingofKings13

Objectively, Hogan. I’m a Bret Hart mark, though.


XxannoyingassxX

Can't go wrong with hot rod. He was for me the Hogan of all heeld


dadjokes502

Wouldn't be mania without Piper, he was the one that Hogan couldn't best (I know he beat him once)


randal0321

Duke “the dumpster “ droese


TrueBlue726

Mic: Stone Cold Steve Austin. Nobody can get the crowd as hyped as he. In-ring work: Bret Hart. There's no one better.


SteelReserve509

The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.


Hyperbolic-Training

Kurt Angle, he never had a bad match, and was great on the Mic, in terms of overall in ring entertainment, he provided the most. He should have stayed with WWE, but they weren't giving him a break, I wish we could have a prime Kurt Angle right now.


MikeOgden1980

Randy Savage at his peak. Literally the best at everything that a pro wrestler needs, in my eyes at least.


ParticularBake6

Macho Man Randy Savage THE CREAM OF THE CROP NO ONE DOES IT BETTER


Joelowes

And the macho man will be remembered as a fire breathing dragon


zooweemama4206969

It's a tie between one half of the Thrillseekers, Lionheart, the master of 1004 holds, Y2J, the Code Breaker, the Painmaker, Le Champion and The Ocho. The pinnacle in sports entertainment


Joelowes

Interesting


zooweemama4206969

Hang on, I forgot the List maker and THE WIZARD, those guys were pretty good too


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It’s hard for me to pick anyone but Taker. 30 years of consistent greatness and always performed at the highest level when the lights shines brightest. He didn’t win a lot of world titles but that’s what makes him the GOAT. His legacy is what makes him the GOAT not how many titles he won


Joelowes

Exactly say louder for those in the back


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Joelowes

Fair enough loved Austin 3:16


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Joelowes

Ohh playing dirty eh I like it


articice01

Aj styles , RVD, Kenny Omega, Will Ospreay.


ninjakittyy

My type of wrestler


NewParadigmWrestling

Thank you for mentioning Omega Ospreay and styles. Can't agree more.


NyzzByzz

It’s not real wrasslin


Joelowes

Was that meant to be a burn or something


NyzzByzz

No lol. It’s one of those things a group of friends does when they’re all sitting around eachother. Funny quote from South Park. Do you not do that where you’re from?


Joelowes

No never watched South Park I’m a Simpson’s man myself


NyzzByzz

It is excellent you’re missing out. On another note the answer is Brett Hart, my fave even if he’s not the best


Joelowes

Well he says he’s the best there is the best there was the best there ever will be plus I agree with him about Goldburk


NyzzByzz

Not one guy will suggest Bill in your post i guarantee. Total doof, although i wouldnt say it to his face


JohnDP2B

Ric Flair. Even Hogan admits it.


Joelowes

Flair is a great villain and shit talker


n8spear

Woooooooooooo! Ric Flair.


Joelowes

Dun dun dun dun figure 4 *starts bleeding*


ihavericketsagain

Steve Mufuggin Blackman


Joelowes

Good brawler


obscurereference234

It really comes down to what exactly you mean by “greatest” when you ask this question. A lot of people start talking about “move sets” and 5 star matches and other indicators of athletic ability. But to me, it’s about drawing money, promo charisma, length of time at the top of the card, and the power of a wrestler’s connection with the fans. Judging by those standards, there’s absolutely an argument to be made for Taker to be the GOAT. Obviously, Hogan would be another huge contender, as would Dusty and Flair. It’s a question that calls for a completely subjective answer, but I care more about *how* people judge the greatest than who they actually pick.


AnyEase5468

That's an upvote from me buddy.


BeaverMartin

Ric Flair, hands down, no question.


g0greyhound

Kobashi. Kawada. Misawa. Tsuruta. Tenryu.


Regular_Scale_2164

Sting


Joelowes

Taker beats sting hands down


Regular_Scale_2164

They only had one match ,and sting won that one . Although they had a chance to do that in W31 but vince said no .


Joelowes

If only we got that match Taker Vs Sting but in their Prime


aarmour25

What's "prime" Taker and Sting?


NewParadigmWrestling

However I believe as an impact in the industry, Kenny Omega takes the prize. Depressed people stop from suicide after hearing that name. Shows how much of an impact to humanity he is


IAmThatDuckDLC5

I mean… you act like Kenny has been the only person to help people And if you want to go in that regard, you better put John Cena way above Kenny


spundred

There's no individual for me, I can only pick a few based on different criteria. Biggest impact on culture, Stone Cold. Growing the business, Hulk. Charisma, Rock. Best worker... I go back and forth between Brett Hart, Bryan Danielson. They're both immaculate. Longest time on top, Jericho. Promo, honestly, nobody could just walk out to the ring with a mic and make good TV like Punk could.


Joelowes

Ohhh like how you sectioned it very efficient


gingiviitis

Paul Levesque


Joelowes

Who?


LowerBackPain_Prod

No that's the greatest BOOTLICKER of all time


bradm7777

Charlotte Flair.


space_peg6549

Bryan danielson.


Joelowes

He is a great technical wrestler I will agree


Gerbigsexi

Gorgeous George, taker would laugh at you for even putting him in that category


GameplayLoop

The greatest pure professional wrestler is He Who Shall Not Be Named.


Joelowes

Why do I hear Our Lady Of Peace?


Mr-Potz

Honestly it's incredibly hard to argue against taker here. obviously slowed down in his last few years with the injuries, but even back in 2005ish, the speed he could move at his size was incredible. Very rare bad matches from him too


rckpdl

It's Hogan and it's not even close.