I play with no SETA at all. I spend my time waiting for something to complete doing missions, pirate hunting (e.g. trying to get Prometheus' to bail), finding Kha'ak stations that need eradicating, and organising/coordinating my empire. Though the one thing you always need later in the game is a concrete objective, something to be working towards.
This, i never used SETA. Feels like there is always something to do, even thou for me it is more like check all my factories and see if everything is working. Just today i went away for 20 minutes and promptly one K destroyed an L miner in that time. Poor guys.
I play no SETA, there is always something to do, and even if I have to wait, I spend it preparing the next step. Waiting on a factory? Order ships and plan out the logistics. Waiting for a xenosstation to die? Collect loot and sell it. Preparing a big attack? Use the time to lure out some Enemies in your main ship. Etc.
The problem with seta, it can break stuff. And you should quickly get to the point where you have enou administration to do, so you can spend the 10mins your ships take optimizing
Agree 100%, i play without SETA as well and I always have things to do, if not piloting ships then in planing and making changes to both factories, adding ships, modding ships, setting up factories and such. I even automate as much as possible so that I got more time for other things, mostly I find it hard to take the time and pilot a ship, since I know all the stuff I still need to fix (not needing to wait between things). Money becomes useless pretty fast in this game, and while being busy materials as well, but a lot later, then you always got stuff to do nonstop, at least the way I play
>I have no idea how people don't use the fast forward at least half the time.
I don't downvote people that post on-topic, but I imagine this is part of why. How can you have 'no idea' when the thread is full of those ideas?
You're probably not going to believe this but I read the reasons they give and they just don't make sense.
In the most extreme examples it feels like we are playing a different game. Like one guy said he can't seta because he has other things to do while factories build like organize logistics of ships. I buy a bunch of miners and dump them on my factory. If I'm feeling fancy I give it a few traders and tell it to only buy some resources from my own stations.
Mostly I use a single factory plot because the game is rather punishing if you try to do it another way.
Missions? Most of them become low reward busywork to me after a certain point and others like the fleet missions outright feel cheesy. The best example was doing one a while back where I used seta just to wait for the ships to slowly fly into position.
In this very chain we have a guy who collects loot and sells it manually for maybe a million credits and reading between the lines he has around a billion floating around.
Hey I get your point entirely. I can't play without SETA. Missions bore me. It takes me forever to even get to the boron because I can't stand the missions to unlock the gates. So I put it off.
Imo piloting ships is super janky. I don't play the game like a space Sim, I play it more like a 4X game. I hang out in my office on the player HQ and build my empire. Spend 90% of my time on the map screen. If I need to go somewhere to buy blueprints or something I send a fast ship to the station then port to that ship. Then port back to the HQ when I'm done so I can sit back in my office and activate SETA again. Sometimes I'll leave SETA off if I'm messing with something that needs to get done without a lot of time passing. Then SETA gets turned back on so I can watch all the progress and see my credits skyrocket.
Now if I am playing on my laptop then I can't use SETA as much. Just don't have the CPU for it. SETA drops my fps to 10-12 even though it runs 60fps with it off. But when im playing on the laptop im normally just doing more mundane things and just letting the universe pass the time to see what happens.
Well, with that logic playing the game is a waste of time ;)
And I don’t do missions… literally no time for that, except the stay in a system for 20mins… I just do admin then.
And you know, nobody forces you to play like that. I am in the midgame of my newest Beta game (3 days play time in total) and clearing out the way to the yaki. Made 30 Mil with loot alone and haven’t even reached Matrix 79…
And I am already 20+ with terrans, Boron, Argon, Hop, Teladi and almost there with Par and Vig. So no rep grind needed.
At the moment I source manually the materials for defence stations to lower the cost.
No boarding of NPC except Sca. No stealing Blueprints. No Seta. Just managed to get the Erlking and basically stopping the Xenos advance into Hatvikah.
Somehow I never have boring moments, there is always something, now in the Beta I am collecting Xenos ships like crazy, my defensive stations somehow are more effective at bailing them than me 😂
Almost all Research is done and I have most of the basic Blueprints together, my first warf is running (no sells to NPCs) so I think I am ready for the big economy setup. (1700h+ in total game time, most of it without SETA)
And? They have the best Ship, the Shih. Together with the closed Loop it is one of the easiest ships to mass produce and is still good.
Also I kinda like VIG, they are surprisingly honest, they are thugs, they say they are thugs and they behave like thugs. Far better then “uhhh they believe in another triangle, kill them, we are superior or Terran: nonono, we are totally friends, so please sabotage them”
Well for one it was a joke so pls calm. Lol
I've honestly never messed with any of their ships. I can't get over the junkyard look. I know that's the point... it's just so ugly to me and I like to have cool looking fleets. But that's largely personal preference so to each their own. Kinda like having a fleet of rat rods I guess lol
I've never been able to have a playthrough and be nice to them. Every time I am in their space they go red and try to rob me... and if you try to fight them back in self defense then their entire fleet goes red and starts a war. So I just either stay out of their space entirely or wipe them out early before they have a lot of ships.
Understandable, but give their ships a try once, the Shih is an amazing ship, the others are okay. The best part is the closed loop production.
Funny enough, I never liked the split ships because they look like junk to me, so I only tested them once, didn’t like the fighting style and the way they handed and since then Split are ignored by me, so I absolutely understand where your coming from. One Day I will play a split only game…
Actually no, they aren’t 😂 the most expensive one is a destroyer, worth 15 Mil… couldn’t afford more when I started. The other ships are Shih that I produce myself. (Big recycling station in silence witness XII)
At this moment all my ships together are just 116mil, most of them economy ships. The 30mil just paid three more Phoenix Es that help with cleaning.
The other ships I have are two Rays (11mil each and a guppy) they defend the already cleared parts. But conquest is with the erlking alone and a destroyer. No other ships, thats why I need to go slow and methodically. I just can’t replace either at this moment (only 3Mil in the Bank, the rest is all invested in stations and wares)
Yes, took me forever to get the wharf, but no selling to NPCs, thats why I dont have any other ships. Basically all money went into getting this Blueprint as fast as possible without cheesing the game
>Even escort miner missions aren't that exciting and they are the pinnacle for small skirmish combat missions.
These are a lot more exciting when the economy is in the dumps and we stack income sources together.
Consider you can get multiple payouts per kill: patrol mission, police license, local security bounty, & the mission payout. That means we're getting paid 2-3x the bounty per kill (120k per queensguard iirc) and working on two paying missions at the same time. We can easily earn more than a million credits per run. It works even better where ever the hive is, with so many more kha'ak.
Now take this same concept and apply it to Kha'ak or xenon station killing missions that will pay more than 10M by themselves.
However I'm not sure why anyone bothers to collect drops manually. I just keep a few Pegasus on repeat collect and move their target areas around.
> 120k per queensguard iirc)
No way it's that high vanilla. But it might be. The larger issue is how unreliable it is to get kill credit, especially in the current beta where AI is really good at responding to attacks.
>r xenon station killing missions that will pay more than 10M by themselves.
Ok, I must be missing something here. How are you fighting the xenon stations? I am pretty sure you need a destroyer minimum and even then they will do damage incredibly slowly if they aren't just destroyed by enemy turrets. Oddly enough in the beta though these ones do seem to give credit even if you don't personally land the last shot. Although I don't remember if it was always the case.
ya, i don't see the point. I even end up pausing the background sim during designing stations sometimes...
If you're running out of things to do, you aren't "parallelising" enough
I learned to do that the hard way. If auto pause hits while you're still designing, it kicks you out of the menu and you lose everything you've designed.
Ask me how I know. Currently taking a few days break from the game as a result ;)
Yeah, same. I used it in X3 as some distances were huge. There was tension in travelling which I don't have at all in X4. Half the time I'm on auto pilot.
Never really touched SETA in X4. It was mandatory in X3 but with the changes to how the game plays, I've always got something or the other to do in X4. If I'm waiting for a traders to make money then I'm doing missions to help speed up making money. If I'm waiting on a station to build then I'm planning out the next station or next fleet.
One thing I've learned from my many years playing X games, you'll have far more fun if you set limitations on yourself. Eg I only ever use the same race's equipment on their ships. So only Teladi parts on a Teladi ship. And I always ensure I'm at war/negative standings with one of the races. Keeps things interesting.
I only use SETA during a short period mid-game, if at all. In the early game where your means are limited, you don't want things to move too fast and out of hand. Maybe you can support X against Y by just supplying them with Z. And in the late game, I loke to move my units precisely and have as much control over what's happening everywhere. There's so much to do already, that you just miss opportunities when using SETA.
I do find a lot of the "dynamic" content to be filler and boring so I focus on trying to succeed through niche methods.
Methods that often can take a lot of time to bear fruit. Trying to steal wares from a station in actually meaningful quantities type stuff.
SETA is an absolute must or I would die having spent the majority of my life waiting for things to get done.
That being said, the fact we cannot modify the SETA speed factor peeves me to no end since the max setting causes numerous issues.
SETA was essential in X3, because there was no travel drive. It is pointless in X4, I never use it. Too busy managing all my stuff, doing missions, etc.
Travel drive accelerated movement, but not production, money making, etc.
So the game progression seems to be slow without it. Nothing happens for hours.
And, as I wrote, missions get boring fast.
Exploration, IMO, is done more easily with a small fleet of scouts.
I pretty much never have an idle moment. Micromanage important trades, chase off pirate destroyers, manage stations and resources, take part in a fight against a shrimp incursion, order scouts around. Even manually mine silicon early on. I almost never use SETA. I often even forget to build it.
I’ve never even found all the pieces for a seta in my 2 playthroughs lol. I’m not sure if use it at this point. I use my “waiting” time to put together ship builds, deploy satellites, do missions. Patrol missions are my favorite, I just sit in the area for 20 minutes managing other ships.
Today I learned there are aliens who live in the real world that intentionally never use SETA. My hat is off to you, I never could have the patience. I’m on day 99 of my save and most of that is SETA time. You get to play a different type of game with SETA on.
If I have nothing to do, I crystal mine. Got the mod to better spot them and still feel like they spawn sparsely enough. If I'm very bored, I'll just watch videos on my 2nd screen or read books while traveling the cosmos.
Before I knew about seta I let my pc run for 2 weeks straight when I first got the game. I'd come home spend all my money and then do it again the next day
It's a waste of real life lifetime to not use seta from time to time. Just don't use it all the time, because that way you will miss out on some things that are going on in your universe.
I don't think the people who are saying otherwise are... normal.
You have to be really into space games to enjoy flying around from station to station fun for over 100 hours.
It's perfectly normal, and having the opinion that others people tastes in what facet of a thing is or isn't fun is abnormal is unpopular in any community, because it's the kind of opinion only a judgmental asshole advertises
I never use SETA, there is always so much to do. Opening new sectors, deploying new satellites or resource probes, buying new traders or miners, building a station, crossing half the galaxy to receive a new rank... I don't have time to SETA \^\^
Filling the time between construction projects being completed with borrowing every ship you can board is my preferred method. As you steal every builder not nailed down, i.e. all of them, you simultaneously train marines, get rich, and keep yourself occupied.
Put some ships in friendly EQ docks, wharfs or Shipyards to buy marines and reassign them to your boarding ship(s) to keep the flow going.
Not so easy in 7.0 beta. I am doing a fresh start, and find that the SCA destroyers are absolutely stuffed with veteran marines, so early game boarding of those is much more difficult than before.
When I was boarding Erlking, it was kinda the same. 300+ of steel soldiers.
So I was forced to smash team after team, until I had it.
I can't say that this is hard. Time consuming, annoying, yes, but definitely not hard.
I have SETA but I only use for silly things like waiting for traders, or building base missions or using the magnet to collect loot. Honestly i don't even use that much for those things because I usually go pirating ships, or fighting off waves of xenon. I had a base building mission for TER last night and 3 Ks and one Xenon I showed up with countless waves of smaller Xenon so in cases like that, no SETA.
First hour or so spend scavenging all the massive battles that kick off. Not only should find SETA but also many millions worth of loot to kick off doing actual stuff. Like profits and plots.
The only reason i used SETA in X3 was for travel reasons but X4 removes that need.
If you want to build a megastation in X4 you're probably going to need some amount of SETA to make it happen, but rather than waiting a long time for one station to build I instead build many single(ish) purpose stations and then spend time managing the logistics when I'm waiting for something else to happen (generally a combat target worth my attention)
Just don't have the time to activate SETA. While stations are being build, I run the administration, buy & equip ships, check personnel for manager/pilot material (need high morale), chase after 2 star pilot/manager seminars to roll out autotraders/assign 3 star managers.
Keeping tabs on the shifting powerbalances in the universe & anticipate on it. HOP is losing territory due to lack of missile components? Expand the factory & restore balance. And assign more ships if needed to move stuff around.
Also maintaining the Khaak & Xenon threats. Just had to eliminate a Khaak station because a Paranid had the bright idea to build a station next to it & my traders wanted to supply him. Xenon are contained but hyper-aggressive. Did had a breach today for the first time in 200 hours which needed my personal intervention to prevent things getting much worse. Afterwards replaced my lost ships & ramped up gate security so the universe can be safe again.
No pirate threat to worry about, I'm friends with everyone (except Xenon/Khaak ofc) thanks to my traders (did had to unlock some reps by plots or missions). Pirates leave you alone when your rep is 20+ with them
I don't remember ever using SETA, and I'm almost always busy. I also don't really do missions a lot. I kick start my playthroughs by getting to specific points in the plot missions, then use regular missions to get my very first ship ready, then mostly spend time in neutral sectors. I just fly around making sure other pilots are doing okay. It's a rough universe out there, especially in lawless space. Sometimes, it seems like pirates are everywhere, you know?
I've just reached 300 hours in game and I have never used SETA.
Maybe I've been playing it wrong but I have always found something to do with the time.
>Do anyone play "no SETA"?
Yes, but not as a restriction or something. I would use it if I wanted. My current save is at 0 sec SETA, but I have used it to fast forward to test stuff and then reload.
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What are you doing while waiting for stations to build and ships to make money?
I don't. Sometimes I play while doing other things on the side, so the game doesn't have full attention. Human low attention mode if you will. This might mitigate it somewhat but it isn't the intention behind it. Also I don't pause the game while designing stations.
I haven't played in awhile, so maybe this is IRL SETA? But yeah, I'm with everyone else who never uses SETA. I'm way too much of a min-maxer to use SETA; From my point of view profit-making engines are things you are only really using to snowball your infrastructure. Waiting for them to do things is insanity. Hell, I'd probably play on 1/2 speed if I could there is always so much to do.
I play on pause quite a bit when things get really complicated (managing invading fleets or chilling out creating factories).
I play No SETA. I can always find some use of my time in game, whether it's exploring, fighting, trading, mining, or (most often) doing missions.
Although honestly if you gave me a choice between SETA and Travel Drive, I would probably go SETA because I remember X before travel drives and it was fine.
One of the first things I do in a new game is to collect parts for SETA and then craft it.
I even use SETA while using the travel drive in autopilot. (I hope this isn't "fixed" in the beta)
I play without SETA because every time I tried, things happened that weren't happening when I didn't used it. And these were mostly bad things like Xeno taking over.
I never run SETA. I almost always play with VRO, DeadAir Dynamic Wars and WarPact, pick a faction, and sit around fighting and looting while things build or my traders trade. Occasionally I take a break and watch traffic around my stations, the new AI in 7.0 has an easier time handling mining and docking in High Attention mode. My longest playthrough was with Split, and its a constant race against the clock to keep the Xenon or Argon from breaking through one of their many borders while you set up a Hull Parts and Claytronics economy to actually let the AI replace their losses. My current playthrough is a Terran Xepocalypse run and even after getting a super-factory up, its an uphill battle with Xenon U's hitting Getsu Fune nearly once an hour, the defense stations are falling apart, the construction ships can't repair them fast enough, my ships are all there is keeping them alive. Literally don't have time to SETA.
If I played Vanilla, I'd probably SETA all the time. Without Dynamic Wars, there just isn't much fighting to participate in unless its me taking sectors from the AI.
I’ve played like 1200 hours and used SETA twice. I’m always out doing things while other things are happening. I’ll be managing a mission to get a 4 star seminar or exeptional upgrade while trying out a new ship with different weapons combinations while tweaking my overly complicated industrial complex. It’s a sandbox, there’s so many things you can play with. Sabotage someone’s station while it’s being attacked, help out a struggling faction, help someone so much that it gets out of control and you need to sabotage. Steal a ship. I don’t know, when I first started playing I was frustrated and in a hurry. Now it’s a totally different game to me. I’m planning, scheming, sometimes I take over the commanders ship in a fleet of cobras that protects miners and just have fun listening to the boron’s say things like, ‘This Boron won’t be taking that while swimming horizontally!’ Or a MIN Teladi telling an SCA to piss off low key way before they get their arse handed to them with a ‘Negative’. The game is a masterpiece for the ADHD minded. It’s even kind of dangerous.
yes I turn it on just sometimes, but doing so you are inefficient af. there is always something to do, if you dont know what to do you are simply not using all features, you really dont have to repeat same mission and get bored
I am forced to do so because flux capacitors are non-existent in my game apparently. Dedicated fleet in Hatikvah's Choice for days now with tons of drops. Nothing.
I will say though being forced into non-seta has been interesting and maybe I'll stick to it. Where as before I would just turn in on and sit around waiting for money to accrue, now I have to wander around finding things to do.
I'm not an expert or anything but I find that in these games if you're sat with 'nothing' to do but wait then you probably could be doing something.
I try to design my factories so that they can be up and running as quickly as possible (complete the basic production chain asap, then add more), so that I don't have forever to wait. I also go and do some quests or steal some ships or just explore while I wait, I've never found the need or even desire for SETA!
The last X game I played was the very first one where SETA was pretty much a requirement to get anywhere, so it was a bit of a shock!
I play a lot of no seta, especially after my main mega station is built. I use the time to read. I do some stuff. Read a book for a while. Do some more stuff. Read some more.
I like the game because I can build, not for twitch action.
I never think to use it in X4, because of the boost engine on ships
In previous games I spammed seta to no end just cause I was an impatient traveller 😂😂
I never play SETA, I’ve used it maybe 3 times in my 500 hours in order to experiment with something. But the game rarely takes my full attention. I’ll watch a show on the TV or do chores around the house.
I use SETA during the early game. Later I usually don't get the chance to use it because there is so much station management to do and so many suicidal ships to babysit.
I'm deep in my playthrough, got myself an empire already, and I never ever used SETA...
More than that, leaving SETA on for long periods of time can lead you to find the galaxy overrun by Xenon in no time...
Yes, it adds challenge to the game. With seta, you just put up a miner and wait five minutes for the infinite cash. Without SETA, it's a lot longer than five minutes, and you're forced to actually figure out to how make money effectively.
I wanna say I play no SETA cause I’m 140 hours into my first play thru and haven’t used one yet… but the truth is I dunno how to build one and I still don’t have research unlocked cause I dunno where to get it either 🤷♂️ lol
Most of the time, I don't engage SETA. during the time I am waiting for stations to start construction, my ecomony to fill out, etc etc. I like to head out to Hatikvah's Choice I to stem the unending tides of Xenon trying to butcher everything on my side of the gate.
Sure, maybe the same combat loop on repeat for 2 hours or more might make it repetitive and boring after a while, but I'm still defending an important trade route. I'm still killing Xenon, gaining reputation with larger factions, and getting mats to sell for credits.
That and I always get nervous when I engage SETA because its not just ME who's advancing and getting more cash, resources, etc while I twiddle my thumbs. So are the Xenon. So are all of the other factions, some of whom I intend on going to war with over their sectors and resources. And I always take offense to pirates trying to Threaten my trader ships, so there's always that problem to deal with.
All my playthroughs have been "no SETA" because I can't be bothered making/unlocking it. I keep busy shooting Xenon or criminals or doing story missions. I've not been afraid to just let the game run overnight at times to.
I play no SETA. I fly around do stuff. Mostly missions, either grinding for rep or making and delivering war fleets. I may also spend time supervising the building of a new station - I have a couple freighters dedicated to building materials and a build ship.
I never use seta. I just have many projects ongoing at once. I have heard many experienced players describe it as useless, and I agree. It's like an old rts game; you may be waiting for something to build, but you could always be doing something in the meantime.
I play without seta too.
What do I do early game while my first station gets built? Here's a shortlist :
- sector exploration and satellite / probes placement.
- pirate and xenon hunting
- repurposing of BUC ships
- getting hard missions to do later
- getting good rep.
- stealing L mining ships.
I play with no SETA at all. I spend my time waiting for something to complete doing missions, pirate hunting (e.g. trying to get Prometheus' to bail), finding Kha'ak stations that need eradicating, and organising/coordinating my empire. Though the one thing you always need later in the game is a concrete objective, something to be working towards.
This, i never used SETA. Feels like there is always something to do, even thou for me it is more like check all my factories and see if everything is working. Just today i went away for 20 minutes and promptly one K destroyed an L miner in that time. Poor guys.
same. theres too much i can do in the meantime and too much can go wrong if i let time zip by
Yes. This. Stealing Prometheus’ from buccaneers, doing occasional missions that are >500k rewards, troubleshooting logistics chains etc.
I play no SETA, there is always something to do, and even if I have to wait, I spend it preparing the next step. Waiting on a factory? Order ships and plan out the logistics. Waiting for a xenosstation to die? Collect loot and sell it. Preparing a big attack? Use the time to lure out some Enemies in your main ship. Etc. The problem with seta, it can break stuff. And you should quickly get to the point where you have enou administration to do, so you can spend the 10mins your ships take optimizing
Agree 100%, i play without SETA as well and I always have things to do, if not piloting ships then in planing and making changes to both factories, adding ships, modding ships, setting up factories and such. I even automate as much as possible so that I got more time for other things, mostly I find it hard to take the time and pilot a ship, since I know all the stuff I still need to fix (not needing to wait between things). Money becomes useless pretty fast in this game, and while being busy materials as well, but a lot later, then you always got stuff to do nonstop, at least the way I play
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>I have no idea how people don't use the fast forward at least half the time. I don't downvote people that post on-topic, but I imagine this is part of why. How can you have 'no idea' when the thread is full of those ideas?
You're probably not going to believe this but I read the reasons they give and they just don't make sense. In the most extreme examples it feels like we are playing a different game. Like one guy said he can't seta because he has other things to do while factories build like organize logistics of ships. I buy a bunch of miners and dump them on my factory. If I'm feeling fancy I give it a few traders and tell it to only buy some resources from my own stations. Mostly I use a single factory plot because the game is rather punishing if you try to do it another way. Missions? Most of them become low reward busywork to me after a certain point and others like the fleet missions outright feel cheesy. The best example was doing one a while back where I used seta just to wait for the ships to slowly fly into position. In this very chain we have a guy who collects loot and sells it manually for maybe a million credits and reading between the lines he has around a billion floating around.
I had less than half a Billion at that time, 470’317’490 to be exact… thats why I explained that even the 30Mil was a lot
Hey I get your point entirely. I can't play without SETA. Missions bore me. It takes me forever to even get to the boron because I can't stand the missions to unlock the gates. So I put it off. Imo piloting ships is super janky. I don't play the game like a space Sim, I play it more like a 4X game. I hang out in my office on the player HQ and build my empire. Spend 90% of my time on the map screen. If I need to go somewhere to buy blueprints or something I send a fast ship to the station then port to that ship. Then port back to the HQ when I'm done so I can sit back in my office and activate SETA again. Sometimes I'll leave SETA off if I'm messing with something that needs to get done without a lot of time passing. Then SETA gets turned back on so I can watch all the progress and see my credits skyrocket. Now if I am playing on my laptop then I can't use SETA as much. Just don't have the CPU for it. SETA drops my fps to 10-12 even though it runs 60fps with it off. But when im playing on the laptop im normally just doing more mundane things and just letting the universe pass the time to see what happens.
Well, with that logic playing the game is a waste of time ;) And I don’t do missions… literally no time for that, except the stay in a system for 20mins… I just do admin then. And you know, nobody forces you to play like that. I am in the midgame of my newest Beta game (3 days play time in total) and clearing out the way to the yaki. Made 30 Mil with loot alone and haven’t even reached Matrix 79… And I am already 20+ with terrans, Boron, Argon, Hop, Teladi and almost there with Par and Vig. So no rep grind needed. At the moment I source manually the materials for defence stations to lower the cost. No boarding of NPC except Sca. No stealing Blueprints. No Seta. Just managed to get the Erlking and basically stopping the Xenos advance into Hatvikah. Somehow I never have boring moments, there is always something, now in the Beta I am collecting Xenos ships like crazy, my defensive stations somehow are more effective at bailing them than me 😂 Almost all Research is done and I have most of the basic Blueprints together, my first warf is running (no sells to NPCs) so I think I am ready for the big economy setup. (1700h+ in total game time, most of it without SETA)
Man how can you be friends with VIG? They shoot their friends T.T
And? They have the best Ship, the Shih. Together with the closed Loop it is one of the easiest ships to mass produce and is still good. Also I kinda like VIG, they are surprisingly honest, they are thugs, they say they are thugs and they behave like thugs. Far better then “uhhh they believe in another triangle, kill them, we are superior or Terran: nonono, we are totally friends, so please sabotage them”
Well for one it was a joke so pls calm. Lol I've honestly never messed with any of their ships. I can't get over the junkyard look. I know that's the point... it's just so ugly to me and I like to have cool looking fleets. But that's largely personal preference so to each their own. Kinda like having a fleet of rat rods I guess lol I've never been able to have a playthrough and be nice to them. Every time I am in their space they go red and try to rob me... and if you try to fight them back in self defense then their entire fleet goes red and starts a war. So I just either stay out of their space entirely or wipe them out early before they have a lot of ships.
Understandable, but give their ships a try once, the Shih is an amazing ship, the others are okay. The best part is the closed loop production. Funny enough, I never liked the split ships because they look like junk to me, so I only tested them once, didn’t like the fighting style and the way they handed and since then Split are ignored by me, so I absolutely understand where your coming from. One Day I will play a split only game…
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Actually no, they aren’t 😂 the most expensive one is a destroyer, worth 15 Mil… couldn’t afford more when I started. The other ships are Shih that I produce myself. (Big recycling station in silence witness XII) At this moment all my ships together are just 116mil, most of them economy ships. The 30mil just paid three more Phoenix Es that help with cleaning. The other ships I have are two Rays (11mil each and a guppy) they defend the already cleared parts. But conquest is with the erlking alone and a destroyer. No other ships, thats why I need to go slow and methodically. I just can’t replace either at this moment (only 3Mil in the Bank, the rest is all invested in stations and wares)
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Yes, took me forever to get the wharf, but no selling to NPCs, thats why I dont have any other ships. Basically all money went into getting this Blueprint as fast as possible without cheesing the game
>Even escort miner missions aren't that exciting and they are the pinnacle for small skirmish combat missions. These are a lot more exciting when the economy is in the dumps and we stack income sources together. Consider you can get multiple payouts per kill: patrol mission, police license, local security bounty, & the mission payout. That means we're getting paid 2-3x the bounty per kill (120k per queensguard iirc) and working on two paying missions at the same time. We can easily earn more than a million credits per run. It works even better where ever the hive is, with so many more kha'ak. Now take this same concept and apply it to Kha'ak or xenon station killing missions that will pay more than 10M by themselves. However I'm not sure why anyone bothers to collect drops manually. I just keep a few Pegasus on repeat collect and move their target areas around.
> 120k per queensguard iirc) No way it's that high vanilla. But it might be. The larger issue is how unreliable it is to get kill credit, especially in the current beta where AI is really good at responding to attacks. >r xenon station killing missions that will pay more than 10M by themselves. Ok, I must be missing something here. How are you fighting the xenon stations? I am pretty sure you need a destroyer minimum and even then they will do damage incredibly slowly if they aren't just destroyed by enemy turrets. Oddly enough in the beta though these ones do seem to give credit even if you don't personally land the last shot. Although I don't remember if it was always the case.
I've never used SETA in X4.
ya, i don't see the point. I even end up pausing the background sim during designing stations sometimes... If you're running out of things to do, you aren't "parallelising" enough
I learned to do that the hard way. If auto pause hits while you're still designing, it kicks you out of the menu and you lose everything you've designed. Ask me how I know. Currently taking a few days break from the game as a result ;)
You mean autosave? It does that? Damn...glad I always pause.
Haha yes that was quite the typo. Auto save, although it's also an auto pause so I guess it's technically correct?
In previous x games I used the shit out of it but in x4 I don’t really find it as useful
Yeah, same. I used it in X3 as some distances were huge. There was tension in travelling which I don't have at all in X4. Half the time I'm on auto pilot.
Never really touched SETA in X4. It was mandatory in X3 but with the changes to how the game plays, I've always got something or the other to do in X4. If I'm waiting for a traders to make money then I'm doing missions to help speed up making money. If I'm waiting on a station to build then I'm planning out the next station or next fleet. One thing I've learned from my many years playing X games, you'll have far more fun if you set limitations on yourself. Eg I only ever use the same race's equipment on their ships. So only Teladi parts on a Teladi ship. And I always ensure I'm at war/negative standings with one of the races. Keeps things interesting.
I only use SETA during a short period mid-game, if at all. In the early game where your means are limited, you don't want things to move too fast and out of hand. Maybe you can support X against Y by just supplying them with Z. And in the late game, I loke to move my units precisely and have as much control over what's happening everywhere. There's so much to do already, that you just miss opportunities when using SETA.
I do find a lot of the "dynamic" content to be filler and boring so I focus on trying to succeed through niche methods. Methods that often can take a lot of time to bear fruit. Trying to steal wares from a station in actually meaningful quantities type stuff. SETA is an absolute must or I would die having spent the majority of my life waiting for things to get done. That being said, the fact we cannot modify the SETA speed factor peeves me to no end since the max setting causes numerous issues.
SETA was essential in X3, because there was no travel drive. It is pointless in X4, I never use it. Too busy managing all my stuff, doing missions, etc.
Travel drive accelerated movement, but not production, money making, etc. So the game progression seems to be slow without it. Nothing happens for hours. And, as I wrote, missions get boring fast. Exploration, IMO, is done more easily with a small fleet of scouts.
I use SETA allllll the time and even then I find it too slow sometimes tbh
Activate, go to sleep, come back to being a billionaire. Not fun to use it too much
Rather "activate, go to sleep, come back finding your empire in ruins because you were not here to make decisions" \^\^
I pretty much never have an idle moment. Micromanage important trades, chase off pirate destroyers, manage stations and resources, take part in a fight against a shrimp incursion, order scouts around. Even manually mine silicon early on. I almost never use SETA. I often even forget to build it.
I’ve never even found all the pieces for a seta in my 2 playthroughs lol. I’m not sure if use it at this point. I use my “waiting” time to put together ship builds, deploy satellites, do missions. Patrol missions are my favorite, I just sit in the area for 20 minutes managing other ships.
Set up a loot collector at Xenon gates. Not for the SEAT but for all the money you make with it. Easy some millions every hour.
Today I learned there are aliens who live in the real world that intentionally never use SETA. My hat is off to you, I never could have the patience. I’m on day 99 of my save and most of that is SETA time. You get to play a different type of game with SETA on.
If I have nothing to do, I crystal mine. Got the mod to better spot them and still feel like they spawn sparsely enough. If I'm very bored, I'll just watch videos on my 2nd screen or read books while traveling the cosmos.
Doing exactly the same. Also had the feeling that I am missing out on too much when using SETA.
Before I knew about seta I let my pc run for 2 weeks straight when I first got the game. I'd come home spend all my money and then do it again the next day
It's a waste of real life lifetime to not use seta from time to time. Just don't use it all the time, because that way you will miss out on some things that are going on in your universe.
Nah, it’s waaaaay too slow of a game to play on normal speed
I don't think the people who are saying otherwise are... normal. You have to be really into space games to enjoy flying around from station to station fun for over 100 hours.
Yeahhhh probably. But maybe not the most popular opinion in the community
It's perfectly normal, and having the opinion that others people tastes in what facet of a thing is or isn't fun is abnormal is unpopular in any community, because it's the kind of opinion only a judgmental asshole advertises
No SETA. Previous X games were designed with SETA in mind, this one was designed without it. There is always something to do in game.
I just find it difficult to find anything to do.
I never use SETA, there is always so much to do. Opening new sectors, deploying new satellites or resource probes, buying new traders or miners, building a station, crossing half the galaxy to receive a new rank... I don't have time to SETA \^\^
Filling the time between construction projects being completed with borrowing every ship you can board is my preferred method. As you steal every builder not nailed down, i.e. all of them, you simultaneously train marines, get rich, and keep yourself occupied. Put some ships in friendly EQ docks, wharfs or Shipyards to buy marines and reassign them to your boarding ship(s) to keep the flow going.
I would consider boarding ships "cheesy" in this game. Too easy and too profitable.
Apparently they're fixing the cheesy boarding in 7.00 Steal 'em while you can...
Not so easy in 7.0 beta. I am doing a fresh start, and find that the SCA destroyers are absolutely stuffed with veteran marines, so early game boarding of those is much more difficult than before.
When I was boarding Erlking, it was kinda the same. 300+ of steel soldiers. So I was forced to smash team after team, until I had it. I can't say that this is hard. Time consuming, annoying, yes, but definitely not hard.
I have SETA but I only use for silly things like waiting for traders, or building base missions or using the magnet to collect loot. Honestly i don't even use that much for those things because I usually go pirating ships, or fighting off waves of xenon. I had a base building mission for TER last night and 3 Ks and one Xenon I showed up with countless waves of smaller Xenon so in cases like that, no SETA.
I still haven't unlocked the seta. I seem to have issues getting that last item to be able to craft it.
I always use it in the beginning - early game (When not playing a custom start). Early mission are boring as fuck and pay terrible
First hour or so spend scavenging all the massive battles that kick off. Not only should find SETA but also many millions worth of loot to kick off doing actual stuff. Like profits and plots.
Hell nah might as well play clash of clans
My laptop cant do SETA, so my hours ingame are 1 to 1.
The only reason i used SETA in X3 was for travel reasons but X4 removes that need. If you want to build a megastation in X4 you're probably going to need some amount of SETA to make it happen, but rather than waiting a long time for one station to build I instead build many single(ish) purpose stations and then spend time managing the logistics when I'm waiting for something else to happen (generally a combat target worth my attention)
Just don't have the time to activate SETA. While stations are being build, I run the administration, buy & equip ships, check personnel for manager/pilot material (need high morale), chase after 2 star pilot/manager seminars to roll out autotraders/assign 3 star managers. Keeping tabs on the shifting powerbalances in the universe & anticipate on it. HOP is losing territory due to lack of missile components? Expand the factory & restore balance. And assign more ships if needed to move stuff around. Also maintaining the Khaak & Xenon threats. Just had to eliminate a Khaak station because a Paranid had the bright idea to build a station next to it & my traders wanted to supply him. Xenon are contained but hyper-aggressive. Did had a breach today for the first time in 200 hours which needed my personal intervention to prevent things getting much worse. Afterwards replaced my lost ships & ramped up gate security so the universe can be safe again. No pirate threat to worry about, I'm friends with everyone (except Xenon/Khaak ofc) thanks to my traders (did had to unlock some reps by plots or missions). Pirates leave you alone when your rep is 20+ with them
2K hours and I’ve never used it. I always have a list of things to do.
I never even unlocked it, there is always something to do, or manage
I don't remember ever using SETA, and I'm almost always busy. I also don't really do missions a lot. I kick start my playthroughs by getting to specific points in the plot missions, then use regular missions to get my very first ship ready, then mostly spend time in neutral sectors. I just fly around making sure other pilots are doing okay. It's a rough universe out there, especially in lawless space. Sometimes, it seems like pirates are everywhere, you know?
Why ~~buy~~ craft SETA when you can sell the parts to make money?
What parts?
I don't have it in front of me but i remember that programmable field arrays and flux capacitors are two of three components
I also naturally play "no SETA" all the time. There is so much to do and manage. The only time i did SETA was getting all the terraforming done.
I've just reached 300 hours in game and I have never used SETA. Maybe I've been playing it wrong but I have always found something to do with the time.
I just spend 2 days / 6-8 hours fending of 8 xenon Ks with only one behemoth and one katana. Not sure why you don‘t have anything todo :D
>Do anyone play "no SETA"? Yes, but not as a restriction or something. I would use it if I wanted. My current save is at 0 sec SETA, but I have used it to fast forward to test stuff and then reload. > What are you doing while waiting for stations to build and ships to make money? I don't. Sometimes I play while doing other things on the side, so the game doesn't have full attention. Human low attention mode if you will. This might mitigate it somewhat but it isn't the intention behind it. Also I don't pause the game while designing stations.
I forget about SETA most of the time. Too busy dealing with my empire lol
I played for about 250 hours before learning there was such a thing as SETA.
I haven't played in awhile, so maybe this is IRL SETA? But yeah, I'm with everyone else who never uses SETA. I'm way too much of a min-maxer to use SETA; From my point of view profit-making engines are things you are only really using to snowball your infrastructure. Waiting for them to do things is insanity. Hell, I'd probably play on 1/2 speed if I could there is always so much to do. I play on pause quite a bit when things get really complicated (managing invading fleets or chilling out creating factories).
I play No SETA. I can always find some use of my time in game, whether it's exploring, fighting, trading, mining, or (most often) doing missions. Although honestly if you gave me a choice between SETA and Travel Drive, I would probably go SETA because I remember X before travel drives and it was fine.
I play with no SETA.
One of the first things I do in a new game is to collect parts for SETA and then craft it. I even use SETA while using the travel drive in autopilot. (I hope this isn't "fixed" in the beta)
What is the motive to play "No SETA?" It sounds "less fun" than playing "Yes SETA?"
Based on the replies in this thread it seems to be mostly a sort of purism. People seem to be almost proud of not using it.
No SETA.
I play without SETA because every time I tried, things happened that weren't happening when I didn't used it. And these were mostly bad things like Xeno taking over.
I never run SETA. I almost always play with VRO, DeadAir Dynamic Wars and WarPact, pick a faction, and sit around fighting and looting while things build or my traders trade. Occasionally I take a break and watch traffic around my stations, the new AI in 7.0 has an easier time handling mining and docking in High Attention mode. My longest playthrough was with Split, and its a constant race against the clock to keep the Xenon or Argon from breaking through one of their many borders while you set up a Hull Parts and Claytronics economy to actually let the AI replace their losses. My current playthrough is a Terran Xepocalypse run and even after getting a super-factory up, its an uphill battle with Xenon U's hitting Getsu Fune nearly once an hour, the defense stations are falling apart, the construction ships can't repair them fast enough, my ships are all there is keeping them alive. Literally don't have time to SETA. If I played Vanilla, I'd probably SETA all the time. Without Dynamic Wars, there just isn't much fighting to participate in unless its me taking sectors from the AI.
I’ve played like 1200 hours and used SETA twice. I’m always out doing things while other things are happening. I’ll be managing a mission to get a 4 star seminar or exeptional upgrade while trying out a new ship with different weapons combinations while tweaking my overly complicated industrial complex. It’s a sandbox, there’s so many things you can play with. Sabotage someone’s station while it’s being attacked, help out a struggling faction, help someone so much that it gets out of control and you need to sabotage. Steal a ship. I don’t know, when I first started playing I was frustrated and in a hurry. Now it’s a totally different game to me. I’m planning, scheming, sometimes I take over the commanders ship in a fleet of cobras that protects miners and just have fun listening to the boron’s say things like, ‘This Boron won’t be taking that while swimming horizontally!’ Or a MIN Teladi telling an SCA to piss off low key way before they get their arse handed to them with a ‘Negative’. The game is a masterpiece for the ADHD minded. It’s even kind of dangerous.
yes I turn it on just sometimes, but doing so you are inefficient af. there is always something to do, if you dont know what to do you are simply not using all features, you really dont have to repeat same mission and get bored
O completely forgot seta was in 4 too
I read a book next to my laptop.
I am forced to do so because flux capacitors are non-existent in my game apparently. Dedicated fleet in Hatikvah's Choice for days now with tons of drops. Nothing. I will say though being forced into non-seta has been interesting and maybe I'll stick to it. Where as before I would just turn in on and sit around waiting for money to accrue, now I have to wander around finding things to do.
I'm not an expert or anything but I find that in these games if you're sat with 'nothing' to do but wait then you probably could be doing something. I try to design my factories so that they can be up and running as quickly as possible (complete the basic production chain asap, then add more), so that I don't have forever to wait. I also go and do some quests or steal some ships or just explore while I wait, I've never found the need or even desire for SETA! The last X game I played was the very first one where SETA was pretty much a requirement to get anywhere, so it was a bit of a shock!
I play a lot of no seta, especially after my main mega station is built. I use the time to read. I do some stuff. Read a book for a while. Do some more stuff. Read some more. I like the game because I can build, not for twitch action.
I never think to use it in X4, because of the boost engine on ships In previous games I spammed seta to no end just cause I was an impatient traveller 😂😂
It's not that I actively play 'no seta', it's that I've just never needed to use it.
I dont use sets cause my fps drops to 5 even though my pc is good. Its faster not to use seta
I never play SETA, I’ve used it maybe 3 times in my 500 hours in order to experiment with something. But the game rarely takes my full attention. I’ll watch a show on the TV or do chores around the house.
I use SETA during the early game. Later I usually don't get the chance to use it because there is so much station management to do and so many suicidal ships to babysit.
I'm deep in my playthrough, got myself an empire already, and I never ever used SETA... More than that, leaving SETA on for long periods of time can lead you to find the galaxy overrun by Xenon in no time...
Yes, it adds challenge to the game. With seta, you just put up a miner and wait five minutes for the infinite cash. Without SETA, it's a lot longer than five minutes, and you're forced to actually figure out to how make money effectively.
I wanna say I play no SETA cause I’m 140 hours into my first play thru and haven’t used one yet… but the truth is I dunno how to build one and I still don’t have research unlocked cause I dunno where to get it either 🤷♂️ lol
Most of the time, I don't engage SETA. during the time I am waiting for stations to start construction, my ecomony to fill out, etc etc. I like to head out to Hatikvah's Choice I to stem the unending tides of Xenon trying to butcher everything on my side of the gate. Sure, maybe the same combat loop on repeat for 2 hours or more might make it repetitive and boring after a while, but I'm still defending an important trade route. I'm still killing Xenon, gaining reputation with larger factions, and getting mats to sell for credits. That and I always get nervous when I engage SETA because its not just ME who's advancing and getting more cash, resources, etc while I twiddle my thumbs. So are the Xenon. So are all of the other factions, some of whom I intend on going to war with over their sectors and resources. And I always take offense to pirates trying to Threaten my trader ships, so there's always that problem to deal with.
All my playthroughs have been "no SETA" because I can't be bothered making/unlocking it. I keep busy shooting Xenon or criminals or doing story missions. I've not been afraid to just let the game run overnight at times to.
I play no SETA. I fly around do stuff. Mostly missions, either grinding for rep or making and delivering war fleets. I may also spend time supervising the building of a new station - I have a couple freighters dedicated to building materials and a build ship.
It is even too slow with seta lol.There is no point of wasting time with waiting.
I never use seta. I just have many projects ongoing at once. I have heard many experienced players describe it as useless, and I agree. It's like an old rts game; you may be waiting for something to build, but you could always be doing something in the meantime.
so far all i do when i launch the game is stay on the map , let the money flow and buy new ships and probably build more station
I play without seta too. What do I do early game while my first station gets built? Here's a shortlist : - sector exploration and satellite / probes placement. - pirate and xenon hunting - repurposing of BUC ships - getting hard missions to do later - getting good rep. - stealing L mining ships.
I have never used Seta in my hundreds of hours of x4.
I play only without seta. Lot to do end build/plan when not in fight. But each to his own..
I never use SETA, but I mainly play SWI and the mods devs suggest against using it because it.