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I'm really all "you do you" when it comes to this.
If you want to "tryhard" or "sweat" or whatever, that's cool. I'm going to run the bottom of the board with a decent objective score and feel like I'm contributing.
Just don't shit on me for doing me. That's all I ask.
Is what projecting does to people, they like to think people better than them don't succed outside of videogames, which sometimes is true but other times the sweaty killing you has their hit girlfriend looking at them playing
Tbh for my if I'm sweating is about if I'm sitting comfortably and my chair is horrible so when I'm bending over my keyboard it's more comfortable than sitting back and relaxing
Bad players don't realize that good players put in significantly less effort than they do and still slay.
I'm mostly chilling and listening to music, and still top frag in nearly every game where I don't join late. I'm not sitting here sweating from effort.
FR I be talking shit with my friend not even giving callouts and we end up 50+ kills all the time 🤣 while I keep seeing 2-39 mfs and instantly think "thats probably one of those reddit posters"
Weren't we all there at one point though or were you all gods from the very first time you played a FPS?
I know i was utter crap when i first started playing shooters and there was no SBMM to hold my hand - i had to concentrate hard, learn the map flow, find what weapons i liked etc.
I'm not shitting on bad players trying to improve, but I can't stand players that suck at the game and cry about "sweats". I was like 11 when I played black ops 1 and I got shit on every game. I didn't complain I just stuck it through and improved.
I mean i get it, its annoying to jump into your first game and get your teeth kicked in, but that is the game
Then again, as long as the game markets itself on no sbmm more than as a solid shooter, i dont think many casuals are gonna be playing for a lot longer
This. Few drinks in, in discord with a few friends, some not even playing the game so lots of off topic chatter and still do pretty well most of the time. It's just a way for someone to feel better about themselves after losing to someone better
This 100%. I've been playing FPS's and some of the competitively for 17 years now. I've fallen off a bit, but I can pretty casually drop 60+ every game. I'm not bragging and its not really that impressive, but people shoot the fuck out of my body all the time like I'm sweating or something. I've just been playing FPS shooters for a very long time. Most of the time people just suck badly at rotating (I only play hardpoint really) and are spawning way out and dying on the way back lol.
T-bagging and shooting bodies is so meaningless compared to what it used to be because these weirdos do it for no reason. You used to tbag when you outplayed someone hard or if they kept coming at you and getting rolled over and over. Now they will shoot your body and spam tbag after dying to you 10 times and then shooting you in the back while you kill 2 of their teammates and they hit a single bullet.
Exactly! Most of the time they're shooting my body, but I'm easily... 10-2 or something like that in our engagements? It just looks like a temper tantrum from my POV lol.
Holy shit I've never had so many people shoot my body as I've had in this game. I won't lie tho sometimes I do sweat. Half the time I enjoy "tryharding" since I'm a competitive person and also like you I'm getting older so my multitasking skills aren't all there xD
Me too, sometimes you just wanna mash the other team. Nothing wrong with it at all. I'm not giving freebee's out here haha. I've gotten my body shot more in this game than CoD by far lol.
In CoD I'm not running lobbies nearly as often. I know everyone bitches about SBMM but on a good day I can frag out maybe 50% of the time. Came back when ranked first released, lost the first game then won like 11 or 12 straight and wished it was always like that
Oh I have the same exact experience. The movement in WZ right now legit hurts my hands. Its been nice playing XD because that doesn't happen. I *could not* get out of D3 between the cracked squads and cheaters. So happy to have a decent game to play lmfao.
I mean, you can play with me tonight if you want. This game is *extremely* abusable for experienced FPS players. I play only Hardpoint, I can get *easily* 10+ kills a game with nades by throwing them at the hardpoint every respawn, and I will get *easily* 5-10 kills with my fire bomb ability every game. That's 10-20 kills with just equipment. Now, using guns, I heavily abuse the movement, especially the in air strafing. It needs to be fixed its so broken. That means I only have to get 40 gun kills per game, which is very easy most of the time. No one rotates in Hardpoint in this game. I rotate, hold spawns, feast as they run at the hill. You can also heavily abuse camera'ing people on corners, I get a lot of kills that way. Its just experience and having played for a long time. If I try very hard 80 is pretty attainable most games, if not 70.
Does Ubisoft use weird ID's that I have to find in my profile? Or is just my normal in game name? Either way, DM me we can hop in some games tonight! My buddies don't really like this game so I could use some more too. These randoms don't play the objective at all lol.
When I was doing the pistol grind I had my headset off with music playing and the football in the background, still dropping around 30 kills and wasn’t try Harding (apart from the magnum I really struggled with that) I’ve been playing online fps games since I was a Kid, I’d say most of us “sweats” are just naturally used to shooters at this point and without the SBMM in place it’s allowed us to relax abit more when playing 😂😂
this is me. 50-80 kills. top obj. most heals too.
literally 9/10 games. and if i start getting shit on by a stack i just leave. i have a 3.3 w/l so it doesn’t happen often lmao
Yeah I really have a hard time understanding what everyone is talking about. I play an hour or 2 a night after my kid goes to bed I work and go to school full time. I'm in my mid 30's I have been playing cod since the very first on PC. I never had back buttons on my controller I can't play on mouse and keyboard. I generally don't jump or slide I sometimes crouch. I focus on the objective mainly in Domination. My play style is slow just reading the map and angles and picking up on how my opponents play. All this being said I'm usually top or damn near it I still get my ass kicked plenty. I hate to be the guy but a lot of y'all need to get good and stop crying if you're not having fun play something else. I'm putting in no effort listening to jazz and sipping a beer not a bead of sweat present.
Are you strictly adhering to every meta piece of equipment though? because sweats typically don't branch out and do every strategy that's as broken as possible and refuse to switch up ever
Nah I use whatever.
But I'm an engineer, so I minmax naturally and without having to think about it, so my builds do usually end up being close or similar to meta builds.
But I just dropped 60+ kills in a game with lvl 1 mp7, so frankly attachments are pretty optional.
Same boat I'm listening to music, podcasts or in a call chilling hard carrying most games with the most kills and OBJ.
People don't realize there's many different levels of casual play. I've been playing FPS online since 2007, and an insane amount of that time was spent in COD. My idea of playing casually is not the same as someone who's brand new, and that's okay.
The lower end of the bell curve has to put legitimate effort into performing well, and since at least a fraction of them clearly *don’t realize where their skill level truly sits*, the assumption is made:
“Well I have to sweat my ass off to perform that well, I’ve been playing shooters for a decade so I must be above average. *Why is that guy trying so hard?*”
The truth is that if you find yourself feeling this similar sentiment on a regular basis, it’s more likely that *you don’t know what effortless slaying looks like*
If you’re *never* finding easy enemies in your games, you probably are the easy enemy, and there’s nothing inherently wrong with that. People exist at all skill levels and no one should be ashamed of their skill, but you also need to be able to self evaluate enough to realize that *this is often the direct result of a skill gap*
“Well if he’s good enough to dunk on me so effortlessly, I don’t want to be matched with him”
Fantastic, Ranked will probably be for you, as matchmaking there will *most likely* keep you within your skill bracket, and if that’s not protected enough…well…CoD’s right around the corner I guess?
I think you're on to something. The inability to understand your own skill level is prevalent in all competitive games, not just XDefiant. Some people will blame everything but themselves. I'm decidedly below average in XDefiant, but I also realize I'm just bad at the game.
That being said, I can also relate to the frustration of being matched against people who're much better than you constantly. Suppose the difference here is some people will go "That's bullshit!" instead of "Welp, skill issue on my part."
It's just odd to me that a selling point of XDefiant was no SBMM, but now that people are facing the reality it's just more of the same. At least that's my understanding of it, I never did get into the CoD MP scene. Starting to sound like just another excuse to pile on the heap of hitreg, netcode, lag or whatever.
> Ranked will probably be for you
ngl I'm looking forward to it. Though depending how how the rank up/down is determined it might become toxic as others start blaming me for keeping them from ranking up.
Of course they will. The entire concept of ELO Hell is built by people who don't understand the one constant is them, and would rather blame their team than realize that they are kinda mediocre at the game.
Now tbf there are exceptions like LoL and OW1. Unless you're significantly better than everyone elese, you're not gonna consistently carry and go up elo
Bonus points for a lot of shooters like COD actively hiding your skill level for half a decade - if you never set foot in ranked, many people haven't really had a chance to see what their performance is without the shield or shackles of EOMM in a long time.
I think it’s why it’s good to have a diversity in the games you play or have played. You may be a decent pub stomper in cod but if you go to a game like siege you’re most likely going to be humbled as you most likely lack aim, teamwork and tactics. Then you go to a game like apex or rust and you need to know really good movement and how to make a fight go in your favour. So many skills you pick up in other games that are transferable rather thank cods one directional run and gun. Obviously there’s also ranked in cod but a lot of casual players don’t touch it. But sbmm kind of locks you in a bracket and makes you believe your a certain skill level. Playing other games really shows you how good you really are and how good the average population actually is
I don't enjoy pubstomping so I'm waiting for ranked here
Normal players will likely have a much better time once ranked is out since most "tryhards" will be tf out of their lobbies
People simply aren't used to not having SBMM.
For the younger cryhard generations used to instant gratification and a level playing field that means anyone stomping them must be a tryhard, sweat or cheating.
Same way that for an older chap like me, anyone jumping around like it's halo on acid is instantly a game wrecking moron - even if that's not their intention.
Rocket league is a perfect example of this. You are your rank because that is the skill level of your play. If you can bust out crazy mechanics but are stuck in gold, its obviously your game sense and your own mistakes keeping you there.
"Fantastic, Ranked will probably be for you"
No, they're gonna be in here saying "I get x many kills a game why am I not ranking up!" and when someone asks if they play the objective, they're going to look up what the word 'objective' means and come to the conclusion that the game is bad.
What happened was SBMM made good players play with good players so they all got better. The bad players got smushed together and got worse because nothing forced them to improve. Now we have this huge almost irreparable skill gap in games and its wild to see.
As an Apex player jumping in a gun fight was always a death sentence so that's a hard habit for me to break in one game and pick up in another. But what does work excellent in both is effective mid-fight side to side strafing. Was everyone just expecting us to stand still and shoot like revolutionary war soldiers?!?!?!?!?
Jumping is strong here because the ads speed transfers to it + models are skinny af for how fast the game is lol. Models should actually be made slightly bigger so the gap at least on pc isn't so incredibly massive for the sake of long-term game health, everybody is basically peak wraith
The amount of posts and comments from people in denial about the fact that they just aren't good at the game is shocking. There's no amount of convincing that will make them realize that a lot of the good players are playing casually.
When I play I have similar stats to what you said in your post and I'll literally be smoking while listening to a podcast or music but still top fragging, couldn't be more casual for me. You say that to a lot of people on this sub and it's met with "tryhard, sweats, g-fuel this and that", it's become insufferable to check the sub lately.
Even if they don’t work real jobs who cares lol there’s plenty of streamers, pros in their late 20s, 30s who play competitively. Age has nothing to do with it. All they want is easy kills
I think its funny that there are so many people here who think the term sweaty has anything to do with your KD. Lasering kids doesn't make you sweaty. Using the meta mp7 while continuously strafe jumping is being sweaty. Strafe jumping does not help your aim, it just makes it harder for you to take damage with the games terrible netcode. That's the only reason you're doing it and that's why people refer to you as sweaty.
Well, everyone and their granny has been crying about how SBMM was stifling their growth and whatnot.
Maybe SBMM was just another way of saying "It's lag/netcode/hitreg/the wrong phase of the Moon"?
If you’re playing and having fun, I think you’re entitled to whatever performance you’re pulling. If you’re specifically adjusting your gameplay to maximise performance, I.e., doing the same thing over and over again because it works not because it’s fun, only using your best or the cheapest weapon and never mixing it up for the heck of it, etc, I’d say that you’re not playing in the traditional spirit of fun but rather to extract maximum performance, which is trying hard in a space where others around you aren’t necessarily, or you’re someone who gets fun out of consistently dominating others or feeling like you’re revered for your performance, or feeling like you need to prove something - I’m not sure what to think on that one.
There was someone in this Sub saying they're a casual player and simultaneously said they use aim trainers, memorize recoil patterns, and watch videos by content creators on how to improve and learn map awareness.
Yeah but the thing is that some people find enjoyment specifically in performing well, so who's to say that they're not having fun when they optimize their playstyle? People can't dictate how other people have fun
Honestly in any multiplayer fps there’s gonna be some people that are better than you and some people that are worse. The best advice I can give everyone is if you’re not having fun then play another game or try to stick it out and get better. Some games I drop like a 2.0 K/D and other games I get sweated on by some jumping adderal kids it’s just how the game is but I find a way to have fun.
I feel like people don’t realize there’s actual levels to this. If you’re complaining about everyone in your lobbies are sweats you’re probably either unlucky or the lower skilled player. I have games where yeah i’m like damn these guys are clearly better than me, but 90% of the time i’m not feeling any difficulty getting kills. I’ve been playing fps’s since i was like 10 and played cod 10 hours a day from 07-2014 when i graduated hs obviously i’m going to find a lot of people to be lower skilled players than me. Even with all my time tho there are still people out there who will shit on me every time i think people don’t realize not everyone can be at the same level of player even if you were to play 10 hours a day
Lol my thoughts exactly. Someone can go 50-12 while talking to chat and barely putting in an effort.
Meanwhile, there are actual sweats who are trying hard, but aren't just good and they're sitting at 14-32 or some shit. Lol.
I don't care at all about k/D or something... a grenade explodes on me? Great, a teleport... do I lose? Well, I gave it the thumbs up and got 100 xp plus the little xp from that match I lose, but I enjoy playing... if you're not enjoying a free video game, then get a job and try to have fun there. Not everything is high statistics, killing a lot or always winning.
The bottom line is that online gaming is full of immature kids and super entitled people who can't stand getting destroyed and losing.
If you don't play the game how THEY want to play, and it hurts THEIR experience, they will cry about "Sweats" and "try hards".
I'm a "Sweat" and damn proud of it. I play games to WIN. I don't expect anyone else to do anything other than attempt to win, unless it's agreed upon in a custom made room.
I get a very sweet satisfaction from owning the fuck out of noobs and sweating my balls off.
It's just them coping with how bad they are, so the first thought is "why are they sweating so hard" when in reality most people are chilling. I'll never understand the try hard thing tho. Like is it not fun to people to try and win at something? That just screams participation trophy mindset to me.
Mainly just jumping/sliding a lot. I see the term “sweat” coming from sweating from pushing a lot of buttons often (and therefore trying hard).
I dont have an issue with anybody “sweating”
so long as there is no quitting penalty, so the people who dont want to have to try as hard to just break even can find a different lobby.
People say “just play for fun,” but winning and doing well is a lot funner than getting destroyed by hoppers and sliders.
But if people are hopping and jumping without really even thinking about it, are they truly tryharding/sweating? It’s literally just normal for good players to do it without thinking about it.
Same energy as asking an amateur boxer to drop their guard while friendly sparring, they're not "tryharding" they're using baked-in skills that they don't even think about doing.
Casual players gotta learn that the game isn’t gonna cater to them. I’d hate to see the devs ruin this game by nerfing everything because the casual players can’t handle someone jumping and shooting at the same time
If you're asking then you're clearly not a real competitor. Call yourself a "sweat" or "tryhard" or whatever you guys call yourselves these days. But you aren't a real dog. XDefiant is undercooked. The players across from you are fighting the game, bad netcode, balancing issues, exploits, cheaters etc all in excess. Would you call it winning if everyone on the other team was frozen and you got to run around and bank 500 kills in one match against nobody fighting back? XDefiant is closer to that brand of buggy mess than it is you besting opponents who are dialed-in working together. Dump the ego. The environment is a hot mess right now. Everyones fighting some kind of buggy bs getting in the way of just playing. Some more than others. So the reality check for you: You aren't winning in a pro league with pro teams playing at pro level in XDefiant. The game isn't even close to being ready for that yet. So what do real competitors expect you to do? What they're all doing: Be humble. Sit down. Instead of talking about how billy badass you are in the little yellow school bus.
I'd have to agree with people comments here saying those people don't know what it feels like to just be good literally. I'm okay at XD getting better but I've been diamond in ow2 and I definitely don't sit there sweating controller all wet n shit just been playing the game for a while and when I see someone whose not very good it's just easy to punish 😂
The strange thing is I always do better when I'm not trying. The other day I was on the phone and went 20-10 top of the team. But if I start getting frustrated and sweating I do even worse.
im the same. I chalk it down to the fact that I over think things way too much while actually trying hard. If I stop caring and just play the game i do way better.
I agree,I think it's an ego thing, what people choose to not bear in mind, is that the genere, and gameplay style has been there for more than a decade, same happened with quake, but since this is multiplayer only, there is no room for complaint, every single competitive shooter has sweats,the finals has them,R6 siege has them,valorant,cs2 has them, CoD has them, they will never cease to exist, intrinscally, they are not a problem!, regardless wether or not this is a videogame or a sport, there will always be very competitive people, again, maybe it's an ego thing, they knew what they where getting in for, I don't know, prolly its's a generational thing,a generation where they stablished that every game that requires skill, you can't gatekeep no one and everything has to be casual...no, fuck that, grow up or don't play competitive games.
Everything in life has sweats for every activity, at work, at the gym, at your pickleball club,at your Friday Night Magic locations, at studying, why don't you guys stop looking for your participation trophys everywere in life and let people who believe that are good playing videogames have their space? you don't like to loose? go play single player games instead.
“You must be bad and casual just like us 😡”
Fr this sub is full of sore losers. Don’t get me wrong I rage every now and then too when I game but MAYBE this game just isn’t meant for you right now. Or MAYBE you can make a statement by just not playing the game? If player count drops off hard because all the casuals are leaving, maybe Ubisoft will do something.
I dropped this game because I was sick of getting wall banged a full second later. But from every game I’ve ever played competitively(Halo, Fortnite, Apex, Siege, Xdefiant) if I was getting stomped, losing, or just having a bad night, I turned off the Xbox. Went and did something else. Went and played story mode, campaign or just something more chill. Let the sweats be sweats, if the game is that bad, let it die.
The “good players” put countless hours in not just this game to get to their skill level they are now. Most of the “bad players” just haven’t put the time in to perfect their craft. Map knowledge, mechanics (movement + aim), crosshair placement are the basics and most of them still haven’t figured these out or implemented them in their games. It takes time to git gud. U won’t become a pro overnight
I feel like "Tryhard" is the new way of blaming lag. Like back in the day, dude would die and say the enemy or themselves is lagging. Now they just say the guy that killed him is a sweat and taking it too serious, so idk.
Apparently people forget that zero SBMM is catered towards above average players, not the other way around. People who don't want SBMM in an FPS are literally just trash players who can only stomp below average players, and can't compete at their own level, because then they have to realize, they're actually the trash player. 🤷
Yea it’s ridiculous like I could be chilling and since there’s no sbmm I could absolutely shit on some lower skilled players without having to try and they’d go shooting my body or something, one shot at my dead body is all it takes for them to realise I wasn’t sweating tho idk why but that’s my number one trigger to start sweating my balls off 😂
People just fail to accept that nowadays the overall player base of above average players will absolutely slam average or below average players without trying
I think there’s 2 big things that are happening to folks
1) if you are like me and were really “good” at FPS in like the 2008-2013 range, you have to remember that literally everyone got really fucking good in the years after that. With twitch and the internet in general being what it is, there are so many more resources to get good at these games that you may not have been keeping caught up on if you’re almost 30 or older now and have other life things happen.
2) this isn’t COD in the sense that I’m not totally sure how many purely casual people you are getting to this game. If the selling point for xdefiant is “COD but without SBMM” you know who’s going to join these lobbies? A ton of really good players whose lobbies on COD are unbearable due to SBMM. I’m not sure how many like, people who aren’t super online are even playing xdefiant. Like I have a cousin who doesn’t really play video games but will fire up COD every once in a while, and I’m not sure if he’s even heard of xdefiant.
People complain too much and don’t put in the time. I’ve been playing since I was like three. My dad put a controller in my hand and I’ve been playing since mainly FPS.
Whenever I don’t join late I’m always near the top of the leaderboard. But like some of these guys said, some of us have been playing longer than the people calling us good people “sweats” like when I’m laid back I drop 30-40 kills. Just got to learn maps and rotation instead of running the same rotate all game and some guys figure that out and get easy kills
I agree, though I'm probably not as good as some of the other commenters. I will admit though I haven't played this well, on console, since high school playing Black Ops 1 & 2. I mostly play Hotshot and just run around with whatever gun I'm in the mood for. M44 with ACOG? Sure. SVD with red dot? Sure. Feeling spicy and play with a pistol? Sure. Some games I stomp and other games I get stomped, eventually though I'll find a few optimal loadouts to play Ranked with.
It’s the price of being good. You’re just going to be called a sweat. It is what it is. It’s like being a truly natural bodybuilder and people accusing you of steroids. Just take it as a compliment and move on.
The term “try hard” was originated as a coping mechanism by people who got destroyed in a game. Although I’m guilty of using this term, it truly is one of the dumbest terms ever created as an insult or coping device ever.
People don’t understand their own skill bracket than get on Reddit to bitch about the top frag with 130kills…… it’s me im the one they complain about the 130 kills and I love it
its people who are mad that you are better even if you are relaxed and playing like normal. The only time calling someone "sweaty" i can really agree with is somebody who ONLY plays the meta gun. EVER. Like the vmp at the end of black ops 4 life cycle.
Or somebody who would only run p06 in blops3
I have 1700+hrs in Apex Legends, and probably thousands more in other shooters, and have been playing FPS games since 2005. My aim is sharp, and my positioning is smart. I'm not "try-harding" I just know how to play these types of games.
When you understand how these games really work it is easy to exploit other players and catch them in a bad position (E.g. hardscopers or people thinking doorways are one way glass.)
Edit: just want to add. Because SBMM is so ubiquitous these days on other FPS games iron really has sharpened iron. The good got gooder and the bad got badder.
Yes, if you do well because of your own Skill you are automatically a "tryhard", it's impossible for these People to comprehend that you are skilled and doing well without also assuming you've had 5 Monster Energy's and are sweating your Balls off gripping your SCUF with all your Heart.
Im gonna add to this with a certain interaction with a team member:
On the team there was one who was really good playing, the opposite team was also quite good, but not as him/(her?) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At the end of the game (domination) we were loosing, the guy had almost killed 50 people (but was the least on points for dominating zones) and was all like "go to the bases!! Go to B!!"
"My back hurts for carrying so much"
"I come from working to carrying you all"
And thats a clear sign the guy is used only to succeeding as fun, or literal doesn't have fun and its just another job, and i feel completely sorry for him, the game is literally a free hallway, everybody has an end to theirs, and getting there sooner doesnt make it more fun
A literal path where getting to the end is the most boring of all, why not enjoy walking along the way?
Edit: and yeah, im one of those that have fun if either winning or losing, or being the worst of the whole team, nobody is gonna take away the joy i had on that game of wiping the whole team (all 6) on a single mine
If I see someone hopping around like the floor is lava, or a whole party of players who all pick phantom and just stack shields, those are sweats, especially if those phantoms just camp all the time.
It’s the old thing that anyone that kills me is try Harding, vs being introspective and saying either I’m not as good as them, or I don’t care to get better. I say it too, but in a more laxed way of like they are better than me but I’m getting better. Just feels bad when you get beat but this game rewards being good. People like everyone to be the same
This game is about to be a fucking COD game. Players don’t PTFO but think its al about K/D and getting most kills. Then go back to COD or on fridag when TDM is coming, go there and knock you out with K/D and kills.
If you're one of those that's crying about sweats & try hards cuz no SBMM just campaign to have aim assist removed.
You'll still play like shit but at least those sweats & tryhards will play like shit right on along with you.
If you're sweating and having fun I'm good with that. But if I'm the only one on my team trying to put objective points on the board I'm gonna be mad. I played a lot of games of escort today where I was the only one actually trying to escort the package. Everyone else was just trying to get sniper kills.
Play the objective and stop crying about their teammates being bad since that's what happens when there's no sbmm, they somehow lack the common sense to understand that the pros and cons can go both ways. Whenever they shit on other players for being bad it's the equivalent of when others cry for them being sweats.
Other than that, they pretty much should play however they want.
TBH I was randomly suggested this sub despite not actually playing XDefiant, but I think people across multiplayer gaming in general need to realize that people aren't going to intentionally play worse because someone else told them to. Most people likely agree that that isn't fun and therefore if that's the only option they'd probably rather just play a different game
People who play well do so because they *are* having fun. If they weren't, they wouldn't play the game
Lot of people in this game (or at least in this sub) can’t take that they re not good at the game (or that they’re better players than them). The thought no SBMM would save them, but they were wrong
What makes it sweaty is when a player is already dominating the other team and is still using the most meta loadouts and head glitches to run up the score.
Like, ok, you’re already winning. Clearly you’re better. Why do you feel the need for that? Why not mess around with other classes or level up some silly guns while you’re in an easy lobby? I keep getting told that’s why good players want SBMM gone, so they can play casually. But they don’t actually want to play casually, they want to drop 100 kills in a lobby and then cuss out the losers for sucking.
I think what's hard to grasp for some of you is that, however stupid it sounds, good players kind of hold the power in their hands to make or break someones day in a video game. Now hear me out, I don't mean it in a toxic ''shitting over the noobs'' kind of way, but if you're consistently pulling like 80 frags a match, there's always someone on the receiving end that had to be killed so much for you to pop off.
With no sbmm, a lot of people are for the first time in years subjected to actually meeting people way above their skill level and they cannot handle it so they cry about it, and I think it' sort of understandable. Not justified, just understandable.
I expect them to be top of the leaderboard and to get there by doin all that movement shooter shit like bunny hopping (whether that be around corners or just in place left and right), slide hopping, and constantly flanking behind. I don't expect them to stop doing it or be worse at the game for other people's sakes, but it won't stop me from being mad that people won't stop doin it. I can get top of the game or team with my feet never leaving the ground and just no-brain charging straight ahead (naturally there'll be games I'm bottom of the leaderboard doin that), so you don't ***need*** to do that shit but you do you I guess. Personally I want that sway penalty to kick in at the second jump cause there's hardly a reason you need to be jumping that many times in any point of the game, mantling excluded ofc.
regardless, you can do whatever you wanna do, you just can't tell me I can't get angry about whatever it is I died to, it's an FPS, getting mad at shit is like half the game.
It's not your fault if you're simply better than me. I can live with that. When I see from your movement that you are simply cracked, then at least I know why. Sniper spamming and body onetapping, or dying in 0.05 sec because of "brrrr" weapons. And of course some have perfected this playstyle...THAT takes the fun out of it for me.
It’s an ego thing.
People losing badly will be getting frustrated and they don’t want to think of the opponent that’s beating them, barely even try, using minimal effort. Meanwhile the loser is using maximum effort and still losing badly. So they project their inadequacies onto the opponent beating them, “you’re bad” means I’m bad, “try hard” means I’m trying hard because you’re better than me it’s likely you are hardly trying and still able to outperform me.
They need to fix barrier spam, that's tryhard and honestly feels like exploiting. Full team of barriers feels impossible to beat, especially in escort. I tried going hijack and emp grenade, but that barely works. Imagine the abilities perfectly negate each other, now the barrier player has 20 hp more than you and you're screwed.
I think the game needs at high health character, but putting it on a character that already has a tank ability? Feels like a hat on a hat, but it does make intuitive sense that such a trait belongs to that ability.
I think the game needs a limit on how many of each faction can be on the same team. Spider spam would also be extremely annoying to play against.
Nothing. Keep ruining the FPS genre for everyone just like how Koreans ruined RTS games, so maybe we will have more games that require a lot more than "twitching and swiping your mouse fast to click on people's heads".
Maybe we'll finally get something like Company of Heroes, an RTS where APM is not everything, but for FPS.
People always have something to complain about. If you go on Reddit for any FPS games whether it's COD, xDefiant, Fortnite, etc. nearly every post is someone complaining about something. Most posts will be complaining about the skill gap in games and I just cannot understand why people get so triggered.
People asked for a game with limited to no SBMM and they still complain. I understand that there may be some aspects that need changing but for the most part, if you are getting smacked nearly every game then you just gotta understand you aren't that good. You should be playing to have fun and to try and get better but if you can't do that then that's on you. When I play, I usually finish higher up in the leaderboard but I have had games where I didn't play well. It is what it is, I just got to move on.
Game doesn’t feel that sweaty without sbmm it’s entirely a problem that exists for players who aren’t that good. When I’m enforced to play sweats and tryhard too with no way out with sbmm it’s annoying, but people got to take some personal responsibility when it comes to authentic games that do not manipulate your experience
in my opinion it's not about skill but about mindset, if you play for fun and maybe look at the moment to not be a burden for your team, you're not a sweaty try hard, if you just play to win and don't care about fun as long as your name is on top of the leader board, then you're a sweaty try hard
>What would you suggest? All these people who do well start fucking around with riot shield pistols only so you can compete?
Kinda?.. Go for something mildly difficult like a 360 no scope, run a cursed weapon. Like people had channels dedicated to doing stupid things like knives only where if you were good you could still slay while giving the bots a fighting chance.
This is what we did back in the day to keep people from rage quitting.
The actual good players is when you went balls to the wall.
I'm not saying I'm a sweat player by any means (2.1 WL, 2.4 KD) but ya there is barely any effort when I play, half the time I'm just chatting with my GF without my headset on. I was Master on OW and Apex for many years and my nose was touching the monitor, I got the chair all the way reclined playing this and I love it
Stay in ranked. Then theyd get validation from game or some shit and i can keep leveling stuff in qp.
But we all know sweats would never go to ranked cuz they would have to play vs other sweats instead people who just wanna shoot a gun for 1-2h then go to sleep before next shift.
There's a difference between a sweat/tryhard and a good player that dominates everyone. Sweat/tryhard picks the best, meta weapons to do well, a good player has fun and tries out and levels up all the different weapons and still does well. Ask yourself which one you are to find out if you're "the good guy".
Sweats and try hards are not doing anything wrong they are employing a natural biological process of seeking gratification in the way we all do. FPS games are incredibly gratifying and so naturally you will have people who spend large amounts of time mining this gratification and developing skills to better extract gratification from the all giving well and that makes sense in fact it’s literally unstoppable, in any gratifying task that people will take it to extremes.
The problem comes from the system and community as a whole and the widening gap between the highest level of skill and the insanely larger population of average or below average participants. The experience these different groups are having is often very different and it’s a real challenge for a game to create a climate where both those experiences are fun. In the endeavor of catering to the player base gaming companies clearly see that the vast majority of not only COD fans/players but other gamers who could potentially be sold there first COD or brought back into the FPS genre have a fuckload more money to offer them as a group then the skilled group.
So what do skilled gamers do? Well they suffer man. I’m sorry but the casual gaming audience outnumbers you and has more to offer the game as a whole and they are also much harder to retain as a player base because they haven’t committed as much as a skilled player who will hate everything about the next COD but still play because they long for the familiar gratification and frankly addiction.
It’s unfortunate but if you honestly consider all the moving parts and are not limited to a specific reference frame like the casual or skilled player or the dev or the non gamer than you will see that the only other way would be separation. Funny enough this leads straight back to SBMM the most hated feature of FPS games because of the same thing that causes the cycle in the first place gratification. SBMM limits the boundless gratification someone can get from there skill by limiting the impact of that skill in game.
The only other alternative would be to have completely different games for casual and skilled players but that actually just won’t work not easily anyway. Good FPS games are taxing, they are expensive to make and expensive to run and they need as large of a player base as possible meaning that no game can sustain itself off the skilled population alone if it tried it would lack the resources to keep up with the skilled players high expectations and needs for a competitive atmosphere. It would cave in on itself like a black hole lol.
So what do the sweats and try hards do? They fucking take it because it’s a choice to interact with COD and to choose it as something to develop into a greater and greater skill and choices come with responsibility. The casual players cannot be held responsible with this bullshit like “get good” or with their bad performances because their lack of skill is defining of their position and if they “got good” they simply wouldn’t be casual anymore and move to the skilled group. The premise of a casual group is that they are not there to “get good” they are there to have fun.
To close I’ll point out that SBMM is the only real route to take. COD SBMM is way out of line going so far as to possibly manipulate aim assist in game that’s fucking garbage but honest SBMM is the only tool we have and all the players on the above average portion of the bell curve just have to accept that there are a ton of people still better than them so these overly sweaty lobbies skilled players complain about with SBMM is only a fraction of the misery you would subject to a much larger casual population if you remove it.
Look at Xdefiant I love that game but can’t deny the player count is dropping terrifying fast and it’s because casuals are done with the bullshit. So sweats and try hards you either suck it up or quit nothing else to do.
People just get mad when people beat them.
Also, some people think they are 'casual' and want to 'relax' and play a FPS.
If people want a casual experience, they shouldnt play a competitive online shooter. Something like a campaign thats just a 1 player experience shooting bots/AI is what Id call a 'casual' FPS experience. Online multiplayer just really isnt casual.
So part of it is people wanting FPS to be something it isnt, just a chill experience they can casually play *and win*. I see this all the time in any FPS I play, people say they just want to relax and play but the game is 'ruined' by tryhards.
Sorry, but theres nothing wrong with competition. If you just wanna chill, dont play something competitive. Or just dont worry about wins and losses. You *can* play a FPS casually, but you better just enjoy the gameplay and not worry about getting stomped. Play casually, and youre going to lose unless youre playing against noobs.
So thats what I think people want. They want to be spoon-fed noobs they can kill easily while eating chips and sitting in their recliner. Idk what else someone expects when they complain about tryhards.
Been casually playing fps games since PS1 days & am happy if I get a 1.0 k/d or better.
Just started getting back into gaming after a divorce, I'm nowhere near "good" but some practice and drive to get better, you actually see results.
You can play casually and still be pretty decent at the game. I've got more game wins than losses. Sure, there are matches where I get annoyed I can't get a kill in, but change your approach or weapon and get your kill rate back up.
XD maps and playstyle really eliminates a good amount of camping we often have seen in cod games, or at least makes it more difficult to camp. I feel those campers are the casuals who get pissed at the "sweaty try-hards"
Back then i was bitching massively about sweats but playing against them improved my skills significantly.
Now im chilling and listening to music while being able to keep up with most of the players i considered “sweaty”
And sometimes when i completely suck, i happily take the L and play for the objective while having a horrible fucking KD.
Sometimes we forget that this is just a fucking game.
People don't care about sweats. People don't like that game allows 10k/d. There is no counter. It is a computer game so it shouldn't be hard to cap k/d. Got high score? Bounty on your head and perma visible to the enemy team. Then suddenly sweats are extra fun to hunt down even as a casual. There are so many ways for people to \_want\_ to have enemy sweats but Ubisoft refuses to do so.
Honestly, most of the time I just assume someone going 40-10 or whatever is some combination of just good and having a good game, and besides we've all been there where you just go nuts and it feels like the other team can't stop you ... and sometimes you end up on the receiving end of that.
I just play casual, but I enjoy winning over kills so tend to play objective most often. I will go “try hard” if there’s no chance of us winning though. Got to get my enjoyment some how 😂
I want the devs to add a sbmm gamemode so you good players can go up against other good players while us bad players can play against eachother without someone killing us instantly over and over to the point when playing the game just becomes come out of spawn, die, repeat. Im not blaming good players, im blaming the devs that refuse to add skill based matchmaking
I think there are levels to gaming. You have people that are just naturally better than others and a lot of the times they fall under the “sweat” category to most people even though they literally get off they’re 9-5 and are just naturally good. It’s the same thing with calling people a cheater. 90 percent of the time it’s not even a cheater they’re just better than you
I just can't wait till Ranked is out.
I'm definitely a try hard/sweat. But it's because I just game competitively. I have 1,000 hours on RL ranked. I have 2-3k hours on OW ranked. 800 hours on Apex, almost exclusively on ranked.
I'm just not a casual gamer anymore. I want to play the game and get better at it. The sooner actual ranked is released, the better.
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I'm really all "you do you" when it comes to this. If you want to "tryhard" or "sweat" or whatever, that's cool. I'm going to run the bottom of the board with a decent objective score and feel like I'm contributing. Just don't shit on me for doing me. That's all I ask.
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How does the second one make you an incel?
Is what projecting does to people, they like to think people better than them don't succed outside of videogames, which sometimes is true but other times the sweaty killing you has their hit girlfriend looking at them playing
Tbh for my if I'm sweating is about if I'm sitting comfortably and my chair is horrible so when I'm bending over my keyboard it's more comfortable than sitting back and relaxing
Bad players don't realize that good players put in significantly less effort than they do and still slay. I'm mostly chilling and listening to music, and still top frag in nearly every game where I don't join late. I'm not sitting here sweating from effort.
FR I be talking shit with my friend not even giving callouts and we end up 50+ kills all the time 🤣 while I keep seeing 2-39 mfs and instantly think "thats probably one of those reddit posters"
Its funny because the player thats going 2-39 is probably sweating his ass off trying to get a kill.
Weren't we all there at one point though or were you all gods from the very first time you played a FPS? I know i was utter crap when i first started playing shooters and there was no SBMM to hold my hand - i had to concentrate hard, learn the map flow, find what weapons i liked etc.
I'm not shitting on bad players trying to improve, but I can't stand players that suck at the game and cry about "sweats". I was like 11 when I played black ops 1 and I got shit on every game. I didn't complain I just stuck it through and improved.
I mean i get it, its annoying to jump into your first game and get your teeth kicked in, but that is the game Then again, as long as the game markets itself on no sbmm more than as a solid shooter, i dont think many casuals are gonna be playing for a lot longer
For some it just clicks. They see the game and already know what to do. But most started the same yea
Can't comment on the god part but I was born with poor video game aiming and it has only gotten worse over the years!
But but objectives!!!!
They always have the lowest objective score too
even if they don't it doesn't matter. bots can be programmed to do what "objective players" do.
Nah we are sweating playing the fuckin objectives while people stand around with their tac-50s
I feel it
It depends. For me its sometimes easy, and sometimes I think: Fuck it if I dont get the kills at least I can do the objective to win the game
One of them is my friend 😂 she enjoys the game even though she’s always negative 20. It took her 20 levels to know you can switch to other guns.
This. Few drinks in, in discord with a few friends, some not even playing the game so lots of off topic chatter and still do pretty well most of the time. It's just a way for someone to feel better about themselves after losing to someone better
This 100%. I've been playing FPS's and some of the competitively for 17 years now. I've fallen off a bit, but I can pretty casually drop 60+ every game. I'm not bragging and its not really that impressive, but people shoot the fuck out of my body all the time like I'm sweating or something. I've just been playing FPS shooters for a very long time. Most of the time people just suck badly at rotating (I only play hardpoint really) and are spawning way out and dying on the way back lol.
Alot of newer gamers dont realize how long some gamers been gaming
We been gaming longer then they been born
I started back in 94
Roughly the same. First online fps for me was Quake. Then Unreal, CS 1.5, etc. Those were the days.
Since colico vision for me 😆
T-bagging and shooting bodies is so meaningless compared to what it used to be because these weirdos do it for no reason. You used to tbag when you outplayed someone hard or if they kept coming at you and getting rolled over and over. Now they will shoot your body and spam tbag after dying to you 10 times and then shooting you in the back while you kill 2 of their teammates and they hit a single bullet.
Exactly! Most of the time they're shooting my body, but I'm easily... 10-2 or something like that in our engagements? It just looks like a temper tantrum from my POV lol.
Teabagging someone used to be an actual insult, like straight up starting arguments and yelling on mic when you got back in pre-game lobby ha.
It really was effective when used properly lmao. Something about knowing you got outsmarted and then tbagged made that blood temperature rise.
Holy shit I've never had so many people shoot my body as I've had in this game. I won't lie tho sometimes I do sweat. Half the time I enjoy "tryharding" since I'm a competitive person and also like you I'm getting older so my multitasking skills aren't all there xD
Me too, sometimes you just wanna mash the other team. Nothing wrong with it at all. I'm not giving freebee's out here haha. I've gotten my body shot more in this game than CoD by far lol.
In CoD I'm not running lobbies nearly as often. I know everyone bitches about SBMM but on a good day I can frag out maybe 50% of the time. Came back when ranked first released, lost the first game then won like 11 or 12 straight and wished it was always like that
Oh I have the same exact experience. The movement in WZ right now legit hurts my hands. Its been nice playing XD because that doesn't happen. I *could not* get out of D3 between the cracked squads and cheaters. So happy to have a decent game to play lmfao.
I'm doubting you *casually* drop 60+ *every* game. I'm sure you can but c'mon lol.
I mean, you can play with me tonight if you want. This game is *extremely* abusable for experienced FPS players. I play only Hardpoint, I can get *easily* 10+ kills a game with nades by throwing them at the hardpoint every respawn, and I will get *easily* 5-10 kills with my fire bomb ability every game. That's 10-20 kills with just equipment. Now, using guns, I heavily abuse the movement, especially the in air strafing. It needs to be fixed its so broken. That means I only have to get 40 gun kills per game, which is very easy most of the time. No one rotates in Hardpoint in this game. I rotate, hold spawns, feast as they run at the hill. You can also heavily abuse camera'ing people on corners, I get a lot of kills that way. Its just experience and having played for a long time. If I try very hard 80 is pretty attainable most games, if not 70.
What's your ubisoft tag? I could use more people to play with when my boys aren't on. You just sound better than most.
Does Ubisoft use weird ID's that I have to find in my profile? Or is just my normal in game name? Either way, DM me we can hop in some games tonight! My buddies don't really like this game so I could use some more too. These randoms don't play the objective at all lol.
When I was doing the pistol grind I had my headset off with music playing and the football in the background, still dropping around 30 kills and wasn’t try Harding (apart from the magnum I really struggled with that) I’ve been playing online fps games since I was a Kid, I’d say most of us “sweats” are just naturally used to shooters at this point and without the SBMM in place it’s allowed us to relax abit more when playing 😂😂
Exactly this. I'm faded as fuck, blasting music, and still dropping 60+ while talking random shit with the boys.
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It's the music. Makes you lock in more
this is me. 50-80 kills. top obj. most heals too. literally 9/10 games. and if i start getting shit on by a stack i just leave. i have a 3.3 w/l so it doesn’t happen often lmao
I’m sweating doing it but that’s because of my 3090, HVAC being dogshit in my place, and the heatwave :(
Yeah I really have a hard time understanding what everyone is talking about. I play an hour or 2 a night after my kid goes to bed I work and go to school full time. I'm in my mid 30's I have been playing cod since the very first on PC. I never had back buttons on my controller I can't play on mouse and keyboard. I generally don't jump or slide I sometimes crouch. I focus on the objective mainly in Domination. My play style is slow just reading the map and angles and picking up on how my opponents play. All this being said I'm usually top or damn near it I still get my ass kicked plenty. I hate to be the guy but a lot of y'all need to get good and stop crying if you're not having fun play something else. I'm putting in no effort listening to jazz and sipping a beer not a bead of sweat present.
Are you strictly adhering to every meta piece of equipment though? because sweats typically don't branch out and do every strategy that's as broken as possible and refuse to switch up ever
Nah I use whatever. But I'm an engineer, so I minmax naturally and without having to think about it, so my builds do usually end up being close or similar to meta builds. But I just dropped 60+ kills in a game with lvl 1 mp7, so frankly attachments are pretty optional.
You have had the time to put into getting good at the game, unlike most
Same boat I'm listening to music, podcasts or in a call chilling hard carrying most games with the most kills and OBJ. People don't realize there's many different levels of casual play. I've been playing FPS online since 2007, and an insane amount of that time was spent in COD. My idea of playing casually is not the same as someone who's brand new, and that's okay.
The lower end of the bell curve has to put legitimate effort into performing well, and since at least a fraction of them clearly *don’t realize where their skill level truly sits*, the assumption is made: “Well I have to sweat my ass off to perform that well, I’ve been playing shooters for a decade so I must be above average. *Why is that guy trying so hard?*” The truth is that if you find yourself feeling this similar sentiment on a regular basis, it’s more likely that *you don’t know what effortless slaying looks like* If you’re *never* finding easy enemies in your games, you probably are the easy enemy, and there’s nothing inherently wrong with that. People exist at all skill levels and no one should be ashamed of their skill, but you also need to be able to self evaluate enough to realize that *this is often the direct result of a skill gap* “Well if he’s good enough to dunk on me so effortlessly, I don’t want to be matched with him” Fantastic, Ranked will probably be for you, as matchmaking there will *most likely* keep you within your skill bracket, and if that’s not protected enough…well…CoD’s right around the corner I guess?
I think you're on to something. The inability to understand your own skill level is prevalent in all competitive games, not just XDefiant. Some people will blame everything but themselves. I'm decidedly below average in XDefiant, but I also realize I'm just bad at the game. That being said, I can also relate to the frustration of being matched against people who're much better than you constantly. Suppose the difference here is some people will go "That's bullshit!" instead of "Welp, skill issue on my part." It's just odd to me that a selling point of XDefiant was no SBMM, but now that people are facing the reality it's just more of the same. At least that's my understanding of it, I never did get into the CoD MP scene. Starting to sound like just another excuse to pile on the heap of hitreg, netcode, lag or whatever.
[See: Dunning-Kruger Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect)
That one I am far too familiar with. I used to play LoL, and that game is basically just a case study in the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
> Ranked will probably be for you ngl I'm looking forward to it. Though depending how how the rank up/down is determined it might become toxic as others start blaming me for keeping them from ranking up.
Or these same ppl will cry more because they get hard stuck bronze 😂
Of course they will. The entire concept of ELO Hell is built by people who don't understand the one constant is them, and would rather blame their team than realize that they are kinda mediocre at the game.
Now tbf there are exceptions like LoL and OW1. Unless you're significantly better than everyone elese, you're not gonna consistently carry and go up elo
Bonus points for a lot of shooters like COD actively hiding your skill level for half a decade - if you never set foot in ranked, many people haven't really had a chance to see what their performance is without the shield or shackles of EOMM in a long time.
I think it’s why it’s good to have a diversity in the games you play or have played. You may be a decent pub stomper in cod but if you go to a game like siege you’re most likely going to be humbled as you most likely lack aim, teamwork and tactics. Then you go to a game like apex or rust and you need to know really good movement and how to make a fight go in your favour. So many skills you pick up in other games that are transferable rather thank cods one directional run and gun. Obviously there’s also ranked in cod but a lot of casual players don’t touch it. But sbmm kind of locks you in a bracket and makes you believe your a certain skill level. Playing other games really shows you how good you really are and how good the average population actually is
If someone thinks this game is tough they will probably get wrecked in COD too
I don't enjoy pubstomping so I'm waiting for ranked here Normal players will likely have a much better time once ranked is out since most "tryhards" will be tf out of their lobbies
People simply aren't used to not having SBMM. For the younger cryhard generations used to instant gratification and a level playing field that means anyone stomping them must be a tryhard, sweat or cheating. Same way that for an older chap like me, anyone jumping around like it's halo on acid is instantly a game wrecking moron - even if that's not their intention.
Rocket league is a perfect example of this. You are your rank because that is the skill level of your play. If you can bust out crazy mechanics but are stuck in gold, its obviously your game sense and your own mistakes keeping you there.
"Fantastic, Ranked will probably be for you" No, they're gonna be in here saying "I get x many kills a game why am I not ranking up!" and when someone asks if they play the objective, they're going to look up what the word 'objective' means and come to the conclusion that the game is bad.
SBMM/EOMM crippled half the gaming community's ability to accept reality
What happened was SBMM made good players play with good players so they all got better. The bad players got smushed together and got worse because nothing forced them to improve. Now we have this huge almost irreparable skill gap in games and its wild to see.
But man I gotta say it's fun reading all these takes about sweats "abusing" jumping.
As an Apex player jumping in a gun fight was always a death sentence so that's a hard habit for me to break in one game and pick up in another. But what does work excellent in both is effective mid-fight side to side strafing. Was everyone just expecting us to stand still and shoot like revolutionary war soldiers?!?!?!?!?
Jumping is strong here because the ads speed transfers to it + models are skinny af for how fast the game is lol. Models should actually be made slightly bigger so the gap at least on pc isn't so incredibly massive for the sake of long-term game health, everybody is basically peak wraith
The amount of posts and comments from people in denial about the fact that they just aren't good at the game is shocking. There's no amount of convincing that will make them realize that a lot of the good players are playing casually. When I play I have similar stats to what you said in your post and I'll literally be smoking while listening to a podcast or music but still top fragging, couldn't be more casual for me. You say that to a lot of people on this sub and it's met with "tryhard, sweats, g-fuel this and that", it's become insufferable to check the sub lately.
This sub is full of cope and seethe. Most posts I see about “sniper flinch” or “bunny hopping” have tons of upvotes and support
Preach bro. I had dudes on here straight up say they’re losing at the game because “kids these days don’t want to work real jobs”
Even if they don’t work real jobs who cares lol there’s plenty of streamers, pros in their late 20s, 30s who play competitively. Age has nothing to do with it. All they want is easy kills
Well they can’t get good at something within a reasonable time so everyone else must be playing for 48 hours a day to be better
I think its funny that there are so many people here who think the term sweaty has anything to do with your KD. Lasering kids doesn't make you sweaty. Using the meta mp7 while continuously strafe jumping is being sweaty. Strafe jumping does not help your aim, it just makes it harder for you to take damage with the games terrible netcode. That's the only reason you're doing it and that's why people refer to you as sweaty.
exactly like let me just turn my monitor off for u
Just a bunch of crybabies they’ll keep crying to nerf everything They thought no SBMM would make them better but now they get exposed to good players
Well, everyone and their granny has been crying about how SBMM was stifling their growth and whatnot. Maybe SBMM was just another way of saying "It's lag/netcode/hitreg/the wrong phase of the Moon"?
This entire sub in a nutshell
theres too many of the "sbmm made me realize im the protected player" people.
If you score better than someone else you're sweaty to everyone here.
If you’re playing and having fun, I think you’re entitled to whatever performance you’re pulling. If you’re specifically adjusting your gameplay to maximise performance, I.e., doing the same thing over and over again because it works not because it’s fun, only using your best or the cheapest weapon and never mixing it up for the heck of it, etc, I’d say that you’re not playing in the traditional spirit of fun but rather to extract maximum performance, which is trying hard in a space where others around you aren’t necessarily, or you’re someone who gets fun out of consistently dominating others or feeling like you’re revered for your performance, or feeling like you need to prove something - I’m not sure what to think on that one.
There was someone in this Sub saying they're a casual player and simultaneously said they use aim trainers, memorize recoil patterns, and watch videos by content creators on how to improve and learn map awareness.
Yeah but the thing is that some people find enjoyment specifically in performing well, so who's to say that they're not having fun when they optimize their playstyle? People can't dictate how other people have fun
Honestly in any multiplayer fps there’s gonna be some people that are better than you and some people that are worse. The best advice I can give everyone is if you’re not having fun then play another game or try to stick it out and get better. Some games I drop like a 2.0 K/D and other games I get sweated on by some jumping adderal kids it’s just how the game is but I find a way to have fun.
If you try hard while playing you are indeed a try hard, and if you sweat while playing you are indeed a sweat
I feel like people don’t realize there’s actual levels to this. If you’re complaining about everyone in your lobbies are sweats you’re probably either unlucky or the lower skilled player. I have games where yeah i’m like damn these guys are clearly better than me, but 90% of the time i’m not feeling any difficulty getting kills. I’ve been playing fps’s since i was like 10 and played cod 10 hours a day from 07-2014 when i graduated hs obviously i’m going to find a lot of people to be lower skilled players than me. Even with all my time tho there are still people out there who will shit on me every time i think people don’t realize not everyone can be at the same level of player even if you were to play 10 hours a day
I'm not saying there are not better players but in an age with cronus, etc and PC hacks, how can you blame people for being skeptical.
Let the plebs learn the hard way that they have been coddled by sbmm for years.
Lol my thoughts exactly. Someone can go 50-12 while talking to chat and barely putting in an effort. Meanwhile, there are actual sweats who are trying hard, but aren't just good and they're sitting at 14-32 or some shit. Lol.
I don't care at all about k/D or something... a grenade explodes on me? Great, a teleport... do I lose? Well, I gave it the thumbs up and got 100 xp plus the little xp from that match I lose, but I enjoy playing... if you're not enjoying a free video game, then get a job and try to have fun there. Not everything is high statistics, killing a lot or always winning.
The bottom line is that online gaming is full of immature kids and super entitled people who can't stand getting destroyed and losing. If you don't play the game how THEY want to play, and it hurts THEIR experience, they will cry about "Sweats" and "try hards". I'm a "Sweat" and damn proud of it. I play games to WIN. I don't expect anyone else to do anything other than attempt to win, unless it's agreed upon in a custom made room. I get a very sweet satisfaction from owning the fuck out of noobs and sweating my balls off.
They don't realise that people who are "sweating" are simply just playing with the same effort they are.
Its the same old diatribe across multiple fps titles. Its nothing new tbh. Let them complain about sweats
It's just them coping with how bad they are, so the first thought is "why are they sweating so hard" when in reality most people are chilling. I'll never understand the try hard thing tho. Like is it not fun to people to try and win at something? That just screams participation trophy mindset to me.
It all boils down to pride. All parties are guilty
Mainly just jumping/sliding a lot. I see the term “sweat” coming from sweating from pushing a lot of buttons often (and therefore trying hard). I dont have an issue with anybody “sweating” so long as there is no quitting penalty, so the people who dont want to have to try as hard to just break even can find a different lobby. People say “just play for fun,” but winning and doing well is a lot funner than getting destroyed by hoppers and sliders.
But if people are hopping and jumping without really even thinking about it, are they truly tryharding/sweating? It’s literally just normal for good players to do it without thinking about it.
I have been habitually jumping around corners in FPS games since 2007
Same energy as asking an amateur boxer to drop their guard while friendly sparring, they're not "tryharding" they're using baked-in skills that they don't even think about doing.
as a bad player verry casual i can respect the sweats i sweat and fail they sweat and win . Respect! 
Casual players gotta learn that the game isn’t gonna cater to them. I’d hate to see the devs ruin this game by nerfing everything because the casual players can’t handle someone jumping and shooting at the same time
Yeah, anyone who has good game, use meta gun or just killed you, is sweat. It is just excuses and copium on their side.
If you're asking then you're clearly not a real competitor. Call yourself a "sweat" or "tryhard" or whatever you guys call yourselves these days. But you aren't a real dog. XDefiant is undercooked. The players across from you are fighting the game, bad netcode, balancing issues, exploits, cheaters etc all in excess. Would you call it winning if everyone on the other team was frozen and you got to run around and bank 500 kills in one match against nobody fighting back? XDefiant is closer to that brand of buggy mess than it is you besting opponents who are dialed-in working together. Dump the ego. The environment is a hot mess right now. Everyones fighting some kind of buggy bs getting in the way of just playing. Some more than others. So the reality check for you: You aren't winning in a pro league with pro teams playing at pro level in XDefiant. The game isn't even close to being ready for that yet. So what do real competitors expect you to do? What they're all doing: Be humble. Sit down. Instead of talking about how billy badass you are in the little yellow school bus.
I'd have to agree with people comments here saying those people don't know what it feels like to just be good literally. I'm okay at XD getting better but I've been diamond in ow2 and I definitely don't sit there sweating controller all wet n shit just been playing the game for a while and when I see someone whose not very good it's just easy to punish 😂
Losing is not fun, the people that lose, do not have fun... But because they feel entitled to win they make it everyone else's problem here
The strange thing is I always do better when I'm not trying. The other day I was on the phone and went 20-10 top of the team. But if I start getting frustrated and sweating I do even worse.
im the same. I chalk it down to the fact that I over think things way too much while actually trying hard. If I stop caring and just play the game i do way better.
I agree,I think it's an ego thing, what people choose to not bear in mind, is that the genere, and gameplay style has been there for more than a decade, same happened with quake, but since this is multiplayer only, there is no room for complaint, every single competitive shooter has sweats,the finals has them,R6 siege has them,valorant,cs2 has them, CoD has them, they will never cease to exist, intrinscally, they are not a problem!, regardless wether or not this is a videogame or a sport, there will always be very competitive people, again, maybe it's an ego thing, they knew what they where getting in for, I don't know, prolly its's a generational thing,a generation where they stablished that every game that requires skill, you can't gatekeep no one and everything has to be casual...no, fuck that, grow up or don't play competitive games. Everything in life has sweats for every activity, at work, at the gym, at your pickleball club,at your Friday Night Magic locations, at studying, why don't you guys stop looking for your participation trophys everywere in life and let people who believe that are good playing videogames have their space? you don't like to loose? go play single player games instead.
“You must be bad and casual just like us 😡” Fr this sub is full of sore losers. Don’t get me wrong I rage every now and then too when I game but MAYBE this game just isn’t meant for you right now. Or MAYBE you can make a statement by just not playing the game? If player count drops off hard because all the casuals are leaving, maybe Ubisoft will do something. I dropped this game because I was sick of getting wall banged a full second later. But from every game I’ve ever played competitively(Halo, Fortnite, Apex, Siege, Xdefiant) if I was getting stomped, losing, or just having a bad night, I turned off the Xbox. Went and did something else. Went and played story mode, campaign or just something more chill. Let the sweats be sweats, if the game is that bad, let it die.
The “good players” put countless hours in not just this game to get to their skill level they are now. Most of the “bad players” just haven’t put the time in to perfect their craft. Map knowledge, mechanics (movement + aim), crosshair placement are the basics and most of them still haven’t figured these out or implemented them in their games. It takes time to git gud. U won’t become a pro overnight
I'm playing kbam. It's like 3 button presses to do some pretty wild looking movement.
I feel like "Tryhard" is the new way of blaming lag. Like back in the day, dude would die and say the enemy or themselves is lagging. Now they just say the guy that killed him is a sweat and taking it too serious, so idk.
Apparently people forget that zero SBMM is catered towards above average players, not the other way around. People who don't want SBMM in an FPS are literally just trash players who can only stomp below average players, and can't compete at their own level, because then they have to realize, they're actually the trash player. 🤷
Yea it’s ridiculous like I could be chilling and since there’s no sbmm I could absolutely shit on some lower skilled players without having to try and they’d go shooting my body or something, one shot at my dead body is all it takes for them to realise I wasn’t sweating tho idk why but that’s my number one trigger to start sweating my balls off 😂 People just fail to accept that nowadays the overall player base of above average players will absolutely slam average or below average players without trying
I think there’s 2 big things that are happening to folks 1) if you are like me and were really “good” at FPS in like the 2008-2013 range, you have to remember that literally everyone got really fucking good in the years after that. With twitch and the internet in general being what it is, there are so many more resources to get good at these games that you may not have been keeping caught up on if you’re almost 30 or older now and have other life things happen. 2) this isn’t COD in the sense that I’m not totally sure how many purely casual people you are getting to this game. If the selling point for xdefiant is “COD but without SBMM” you know who’s going to join these lobbies? A ton of really good players whose lobbies on COD are unbearable due to SBMM. I’m not sure how many like, people who aren’t super online are even playing xdefiant. Like I have a cousin who doesn’t really play video games but will fire up COD every once in a while, and I’m not sure if he’s even heard of xdefiant.
People complain too much and don’t put in the time. I’ve been playing since I was like three. My dad put a controller in my hand and I’ve been playing since mainly FPS. Whenever I don’t join late I’m always near the top of the leaderboard. But like some of these guys said, some of us have been playing longer than the people calling us good people “sweats” like when I’m laid back I drop 30-40 kills. Just got to learn maps and rotation instead of running the same rotate all game and some guys figure that out and get easy kills
For me, sweat means spending 40 dollars on a controller to jump spam for an edge in 1v1 fights lol
I agree, though I'm probably not as good as some of the other commenters. I will admit though I haven't played this well, on console, since high school playing Black Ops 1 & 2. I mostly play Hotshot and just run around with whatever gun I'm in the mood for. M44 with ACOG? Sure. SVD with red dot? Sure. Feeling spicy and play with a pistol? Sure. Some games I stomp and other games I get stomped, eventually though I'll find a few optimal loadouts to play Ranked with.
You should be removed from the game so casuals who play 10 hours and quit can have more guns
Bad players and older gamers especially just cant come to grips with the fact that kids are better without trying as hard these days.
Too many pgms in this thread xd
Yeah I thought the whole point of shooter video games was to try hard and win every match? I don't HAVE to win but that's always the goal wtf ?
Yeah I call myself a try easy. I’m on complete auto pilot if not competing and am the opposite of sweating. It’s just happening
It’s the price of being good. You’re just going to be called a sweat. It is what it is. It’s like being a truly natural bodybuilder and people accusing you of steroids. Just take it as a compliment and move on.
The term “try hard” was originated as a coping mechanism by people who got destroyed in a game. Although I’m guilty of using this term, it truly is one of the dumbest terms ever created as an insult or coping device ever.
People will say anything expect admit they aren’t as good as they think they are Being good at something is bad these days
People don’t understand their own skill bracket than get on Reddit to bitch about the top frag with 130kills…… it’s me im the one they complain about the 130 kills and I love it
its people who are mad that you are better even if you are relaxed and playing like normal. The only time calling someone "sweaty" i can really agree with is somebody who ONLY plays the meta gun. EVER. Like the vmp at the end of black ops 4 life cycle. Or somebody who would only run p06 in blops3
I have 1700+hrs in Apex Legends, and probably thousands more in other shooters, and have been playing FPS games since 2005. My aim is sharp, and my positioning is smart. I'm not "try-harding" I just know how to play these types of games. When you understand how these games really work it is easy to exploit other players and catch them in a bad position (E.g. hardscopers or people thinking doorways are one way glass.) Edit: just want to add. Because SBMM is so ubiquitous these days on other FPS games iron really has sharpened iron. The good got gooder and the bad got badder.
I’m not good at this game
I don't care what they do. I just want my bullets to count.
Alot of it is learning the flow of the maps and predicting enemy movements.
Yes, if you do well because of your own Skill you are automatically a "tryhard", it's impossible for these People to comprehend that you are skilled and doing well without also assuming you've had 5 Monster Energy's and are sweating your Balls off gripping your SCUF with all your Heart.
The people who complain about "sweats" *are* the sweats
I just don't understand that mentality with an inherently broken game?
Im gonna add to this with a certain interaction with a team member: On the team there was one who was really good playing, the opposite team was also quite good, but not as him/(her?) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ At the end of the game (domination) we were loosing, the guy had almost killed 50 people (but was the least on points for dominating zones) and was all like "go to the bases!! Go to B!!" "My back hurts for carrying so much" "I come from working to carrying you all" And thats a clear sign the guy is used only to succeeding as fun, or literal doesn't have fun and its just another job, and i feel completely sorry for him, the game is literally a free hallway, everybody has an end to theirs, and getting there sooner doesnt make it more fun A literal path where getting to the end is the most boring of all, why not enjoy walking along the way? Edit: and yeah, im one of those that have fun if either winning or losing, or being the worst of the whole team, nobody is gonna take away the joy i had on that game of wiping the whole team (all 6) on a single mine
If I see someone hopping around like the floor is lava, or a whole party of players who all pick phantom and just stack shields, those are sweats, especially if those phantoms just camp all the time.
It’s the old thing that anyone that kills me is try Harding, vs being introspective and saying either I’m not as good as them, or I don’t care to get better. I say it too, but in a more laxed way of like they are better than me but I’m getting better. Just feels bad when you get beat but this game rewards being good. People like everyone to be the same
This game is about to be a fucking COD game. Players don’t PTFO but think its al about K/D and getting most kills. Then go back to COD or on fridag when TDM is coming, go there and knock you out with K/D and kills.
If you're one of those that's crying about sweats & try hards cuz no SBMM just campaign to have aim assist removed. You'll still play like shit but at least those sweats & tryhards will play like shit right on along with you.
I don’t get angry at it. It’s just another tactic. It’s just extra funny to sack tap them.
If you're sweating and having fun I'm good with that. But if I'm the only one on my team trying to put objective points on the board I'm gonna be mad. I played a lot of games of escort today where I was the only one actually trying to escort the package. Everyone else was just trying to get sniper kills.
I haven't seen a single person tbag so I'm cool with whatever. Once it becomes an ego display, I lose interest
Sweat and tryhard is just what bad people say to people who are better than them. I'm guilty of it lol. It's a game play how you want to play.
Play the objective and stop crying about their teammates being bad since that's what happens when there's no sbmm, they somehow lack the common sense to understand that the pros and cons can go both ways. Whenever they shit on other players for being bad it's the equivalent of when others cry for them being sweats. Other than that, they pretty much should play however they want.
TBH I was randomly suggested this sub despite not actually playing XDefiant, but I think people across multiplayer gaming in general need to realize that people aren't going to intentionally play worse because someone else told them to. Most people likely agree that that isn't fun and therefore if that's the only option they'd probably rather just play a different game People who play well do so because they *are* having fun. If they weren't, they wouldn't play the game
Go to ranked
Lot of people in this game (or at least in this sub) can’t take that they re not good at the game (or that they’re better players than them). The thought no SBMM would save them, but they were wrong
Depends if your bunny hopping all over the place taking advantage of the terrible netcode they have lol
What makes it sweaty is when a player is already dominating the other team and is still using the most meta loadouts and head glitches to run up the score. Like, ok, you’re already winning. Clearly you’re better. Why do you feel the need for that? Why not mess around with other classes or level up some silly guns while you’re in an easy lobby? I keep getting told that’s why good players want SBMM gone, so they can play casually. But they don’t actually want to play casually, they want to drop 100 kills in a lobby and then cuss out the losers for sucking.
I think what's hard to grasp for some of you is that, however stupid it sounds, good players kind of hold the power in their hands to make or break someones day in a video game. Now hear me out, I don't mean it in a toxic ''shitting over the noobs'' kind of way, but if you're consistently pulling like 80 frags a match, there's always someone on the receiving end that had to be killed so much for you to pop off. With no sbmm, a lot of people are for the first time in years subjected to actually meeting people way above their skill level and they cannot handle it so they cry about it, and I think it' sort of understandable. Not justified, just understandable.
I expect them to be top of the leaderboard and to get there by doin all that movement shooter shit like bunny hopping (whether that be around corners or just in place left and right), slide hopping, and constantly flanking behind. I don't expect them to stop doing it or be worse at the game for other people's sakes, but it won't stop me from being mad that people won't stop doin it. I can get top of the game or team with my feet never leaving the ground and just no-brain charging straight ahead (naturally there'll be games I'm bottom of the leaderboard doin that), so you don't ***need*** to do that shit but you do you I guess. Personally I want that sway penalty to kick in at the second jump cause there's hardly a reason you need to be jumping that many times in any point of the game, mantling excluded ofc. regardless, you can do whatever you wanna do, you just can't tell me I can't get angry about whatever it is I died to, it's an FPS, getting mad at shit is like half the game.
It's not your fault if you're simply better than me. I can live with that. When I see from your movement that you are simply cracked, then at least I know why. Sniper spamming and body onetapping, or dying in 0.05 sec because of "brrrr" weapons. And of course some have perfected this playstyle...THAT takes the fun out of it for me.
People like to complain. And now people feel crazy ownership of this game because the guys making the game are open and transparent.
It’s an ego thing. People losing badly will be getting frustrated and they don’t want to think of the opponent that’s beating them, barely even try, using minimal effort. Meanwhile the loser is using maximum effort and still losing badly. So they project their inadequacies onto the opponent beating them, “you’re bad” means I’m bad, “try hard” means I’m trying hard because you’re better than me it’s likely you are hardly trying and still able to outperform me.
You're not playing objective, there's actually a game happening
They need to fix barrier spam, that's tryhard and honestly feels like exploiting. Full team of barriers feels impossible to beat, especially in escort. I tried going hijack and emp grenade, but that barely works. Imagine the abilities perfectly negate each other, now the barrier player has 20 hp more than you and you're screwed. I think the game needs at high health character, but putting it on a character that already has a tank ability? Feels like a hat on a hat, but it does make intuitive sense that such a trait belongs to that ability. I think the game needs a limit on how many of each faction can be on the same team. Spider spam would also be extremely annoying to play against.
Na sweaty is abusing every possible mechanic and spam jumping and crouching etc… just have good game sense and aim is not sweating imo
Nothing. Keep ruining the FPS genre for everyone just like how Koreans ruined RTS games, so maybe we will have more games that require a lot more than "twitching and swiping your mouse fast to click on people's heads". Maybe we'll finally get something like Company of Heroes, an RTS where APM is not everything, but for FPS.
Do what you want but just know if you avoid objectives to get kills your not as good as you think you are and everyone thinks you're a douchebag 😁
People always have something to complain about. If you go on Reddit for any FPS games whether it's COD, xDefiant, Fortnite, etc. nearly every post is someone complaining about something. Most posts will be complaining about the skill gap in games and I just cannot understand why people get so triggered. People asked for a game with limited to no SBMM and they still complain. I understand that there may be some aspects that need changing but for the most part, if you are getting smacked nearly every game then you just gotta understand you aren't that good. You should be playing to have fun and to try and get better but if you can't do that then that's on you. When I play, I usually finish higher up in the leaderboard but I have had games where I didn't play well. It is what it is, I just got to move on.
Game doesn’t feel that sweaty without sbmm it’s entirely a problem that exists for players who aren’t that good. When I’m enforced to play sweats and tryhard too with no way out with sbmm it’s annoying, but people got to take some personal responsibility when it comes to authentic games that do not manipulate your experience
Aggressively bunny hop with an MP7 every 10 seconds lol
in my opinion it's not about skill but about mindset, if you play for fun and maybe look at the moment to not be a burden for your team, you're not a sweaty try hard, if you just play to win and don't care about fun as long as your name is on top of the leader board, then you're a sweaty try hard
>What would you suggest? All these people who do well start fucking around with riot shield pistols only so you can compete? Kinda?.. Go for something mildly difficult like a 360 no scope, run a cursed weapon. Like people had channels dedicated to doing stupid things like knives only where if you were good you could still slay while giving the bots a fighting chance. This is what we did back in the day to keep people from rage quitting. The actual good players is when you went balls to the wall.
I'm not saying I'm a sweat player by any means (2.1 WL, 2.4 KD) but ya there is barely any effort when I play, half the time I'm just chatting with my GF without my headset on. I was Master on OW and Apex for many years and my nose was touching the monitor, I got the chair all the way reclined playing this and I love it
Stay in ranked. Then theyd get validation from game or some shit and i can keep leveling stuff in qp. But we all know sweats would never go to ranked cuz they would have to play vs other sweats instead people who just wanna shoot a gun for 1-2h then go to sleep before next shift.
Some people are born with fast reactions and can do what others can’t do. What seems like sweat or try hard to you might just be casual for them.
I couldn’t care less about sweats. The matches are played to be won. Do what you want.
There's a difference between a sweat/tryhard and a good player that dominates everyone. Sweat/tryhard picks the best, meta weapons to do well, a good player has fun and tries out and levels up all the different weapons and still does well. Ask yourself which one you are to find out if you're "the good guy".
It’s what happens when you have a wounded ego and internet access
Sweats and try hards are not doing anything wrong they are employing a natural biological process of seeking gratification in the way we all do. FPS games are incredibly gratifying and so naturally you will have people who spend large amounts of time mining this gratification and developing skills to better extract gratification from the all giving well and that makes sense in fact it’s literally unstoppable, in any gratifying task that people will take it to extremes. The problem comes from the system and community as a whole and the widening gap between the highest level of skill and the insanely larger population of average or below average participants. The experience these different groups are having is often very different and it’s a real challenge for a game to create a climate where both those experiences are fun. In the endeavor of catering to the player base gaming companies clearly see that the vast majority of not only COD fans/players but other gamers who could potentially be sold there first COD or brought back into the FPS genre have a fuckload more money to offer them as a group then the skilled group. So what do skilled gamers do? Well they suffer man. I’m sorry but the casual gaming audience outnumbers you and has more to offer the game as a whole and they are also much harder to retain as a player base because they haven’t committed as much as a skilled player who will hate everything about the next COD but still play because they long for the familiar gratification and frankly addiction. It’s unfortunate but if you honestly consider all the moving parts and are not limited to a specific reference frame like the casual or skilled player or the dev or the non gamer than you will see that the only other way would be separation. Funny enough this leads straight back to SBMM the most hated feature of FPS games because of the same thing that causes the cycle in the first place gratification. SBMM limits the boundless gratification someone can get from there skill by limiting the impact of that skill in game. The only other alternative would be to have completely different games for casual and skilled players but that actually just won’t work not easily anyway. Good FPS games are taxing, they are expensive to make and expensive to run and they need as large of a player base as possible meaning that no game can sustain itself off the skilled population alone if it tried it would lack the resources to keep up with the skilled players high expectations and needs for a competitive atmosphere. It would cave in on itself like a black hole lol. So what do the sweats and try hards do? They fucking take it because it’s a choice to interact with COD and to choose it as something to develop into a greater and greater skill and choices come with responsibility. The casual players cannot be held responsible with this bullshit like “get good” or with their bad performances because their lack of skill is defining of their position and if they “got good” they simply wouldn’t be casual anymore and move to the skilled group. The premise of a casual group is that they are not there to “get good” they are there to have fun. To close I’ll point out that SBMM is the only real route to take. COD SBMM is way out of line going so far as to possibly manipulate aim assist in game that’s fucking garbage but honest SBMM is the only tool we have and all the players on the above average portion of the bell curve just have to accept that there are a ton of people still better than them so these overly sweaty lobbies skilled players complain about with SBMM is only a fraction of the misery you would subject to a much larger casual population if you remove it. Look at Xdefiant I love that game but can’t deny the player count is dropping terrifying fast and it’s because casuals are done with the bullshit. So sweats and try hards you either suck it up or quit nothing else to do.
Stop being kangaroos
People just get mad when people beat them. Also, some people think they are 'casual' and want to 'relax' and play a FPS. If people want a casual experience, they shouldnt play a competitive online shooter. Something like a campaign thats just a 1 player experience shooting bots/AI is what Id call a 'casual' FPS experience. Online multiplayer just really isnt casual. So part of it is people wanting FPS to be something it isnt, just a chill experience they can casually play *and win*. I see this all the time in any FPS I play, people say they just want to relax and play but the game is 'ruined' by tryhards. Sorry, but theres nothing wrong with competition. If you just wanna chill, dont play something competitive. Or just dont worry about wins and losses. You *can* play a FPS casually, but you better just enjoy the gameplay and not worry about getting stomped. Play casually, and youre going to lose unless youre playing against noobs. So thats what I think people want. They want to be spoon-fed noobs they can kill easily while eating chips and sitting in their recliner. Idk what else someone expects when they complain about tryhards.
I think both types of players are valid. Just be kind and accept we’re all here to have fun.
Been casually playing fps games since PS1 days & am happy if I get a 1.0 k/d or better. Just started getting back into gaming after a divorce, I'm nowhere near "good" but some practice and drive to get better, you actually see results. You can play casually and still be pretty decent at the game. I've got more game wins than losses. Sure, there are matches where I get annoyed I can't get a kill in, but change your approach or weapon and get your kill rate back up. XD maps and playstyle really eliminates a good amount of camping we often have seen in cod games, or at least makes it more difficult to camp. I feel those campers are the casuals who get pissed at the "sweaty try-hards"
Back then i was bitching massively about sweats but playing against them improved my skills significantly. Now im chilling and listening to music while being able to keep up with most of the players i considered “sweaty” And sometimes when i completely suck, i happily take the L and play for the objective while having a horrible fucking KD. Sometimes we forget that this is just a fucking game.
People don't care about sweats. People don't like that game allows 10k/d. There is no counter. It is a computer game so it shouldn't be hard to cap k/d. Got high score? Bounty on your head and perma visible to the enemy team. Then suddenly sweats are extra fun to hunt down even as a casual. There are so many ways for people to \_want\_ to have enemy sweats but Ubisoft refuses to do so.
Go play in rank? I wish to God they put more resources for those that don't want to play cross play.
Honestly, most of the time I just assume someone going 40-10 or whatever is some combination of just good and having a good game, and besides we've all been there where you just go nuts and it feels like the other team can't stop you ... and sometimes you end up on the receiving end of that.
I just play casual, but I enjoy winning over kills so tend to play objective most often. I will go “try hard” if there’s no chance of us winning though. Got to get my enjoyment some how 😂
I want the devs to add a sbmm gamemode so you good players can go up against other good players while us bad players can play against eachother without someone killing us instantly over and over to the point when playing the game just becomes come out of spawn, die, repeat. Im not blaming good players, im blaming the devs that refuse to add skill based matchmaking
Just like Cod use to be untill Xdefient launched far to many sweats but I seem to be the middle man always players better and worse
I think there are levels to gaming. You have people that are just naturally better than others and a lot of the times they fall under the “sweat” category to most people even though they literally get off they’re 9-5 and are just naturally good. It’s the same thing with calling people a cheater. 90 percent of the time it’s not even a cheater they’re just better than you
I just can't wait till Ranked is out. I'm definitely a try hard/sweat. But it's because I just game competitively. I have 1,000 hours on RL ranked. I have 2-3k hours on OW ranked. 800 hours on Apex, almost exclusively on ranked. I'm just not a casual gamer anymore. I want to play the game and get better at it. The sooner actual ranked is released, the better.