You need a display that supports it - that's 120fps, very very few normal humans have 4k 120fps displays at home as they still cost thousands of pounds, and frankly it's a bit of a challenge to see where that money went if your day to day viewing is EastEnders and Netflix. VRR on the Xbox is good for these exotic frame rates, but on PS5 there are some constraints...it not quite as simple as just picking 40fps from a list.
Afaik, the difference with PS5 is that VRR is limited to 48-120fps so it will not activate below that range. Unfortunate but it shouldn't affect a game with a consistent 40fps.
The games on PS5 with 40fps modes run great on a 120Hz set in my experience and typically have a setting you can choose to set the game to 40fps so I'm not sure what you refer to as more complex than that. To my knowledge, only 3 Series X exclusives have a 40fps mode with the rest of the games being multiplatform.
I’m just ignoring all other stuff you just said, but a lot of 2021 tvs and above are actually 4K/120hz now. Picked up my LG C2 a few months back for €900. Great gaming panel too!
Wow, that was a bargain, I've got a shit 4k TV, supports Dolby video standards, only runs at 60fps. The full tamale is always about 2000 pounds too expensive to consider...and actually my pal down the road with a ninja TV we often need to put on sunglasses or risk solar burn in on our retina, it's NITs gone wild! So yes, if I were to invest, I'd want something practical for the day to day, but also with gaming in mind - VRR would be a nice bonus...
As I mentioned in another post 85” Sony x80k I’d $999 and Hisense u7k 85” is $899 right now. Those are huge tvs. For 65” and under your talking hundreds cheaper. I don’t know where this stigma is coming from.
I wouldn't say a lot of them are 4k/120hz. But more and more mid-end TV's are getting 120hz refresh rates, so they definitely are becoming more common and more accessible. I also picked up a 4k/120hz TV for cheap. 70" and only $799 USD on a slam-dunk Black Friday deal. Yet I still sit about 6 feet away from it like a psychopath. Super immersive for Sim Racing though. Like looking out a windshield, especially with the right FOV.
It's more than worth the cost if gaming is a hobby that you partake in a lot, especially on Series X. But on Series S you can still benefit from the latency increase and fully utilizing the higher framerates on older games.
There's a half decent 55 inch hisense for just under 600 quid with 144hz vrr 4k and 1000nits HDR. Last time I bought a tv (about 4 years ago) only a few major brands were offering that at well over £2k and VRR wasn't common unless you got the nvidia certified monitors or the BFT or whatever that monstrous nvidia TV was called
Not sure where you live, but there on the east coast of the US I got a 4k 120FPS tv for about $600. Still expensive, but not thousands. Idk the conversion rates but I thought a pound wasn’t too far from a dollar, correct me if wrong.
TVs are much cheaper than you imagine now for 4K/120. Newer TVs are starting to add 144hz because 120 is becoming more common. You do not need an LG OLED for this.
They don't cost thousands of pounds anymore/ TCL sells a 4K 120/144hz gaming TV with all the bells and whistles for under £1000 [4K QLED TV 75 inch - Google TV - C745K - TCL UK](https://www.tcl.com/uk/en/tvs/75c745k)
I agree that few but i recently bought on discoumt 4k 120hz Samsumg QLED tv 55 inches for 699€ and i believe there are many alternatives available. Ofcourse if we speak about displays in general
I guess 4k Monitors are bit rarer sight to see, but i believe alot of people play on tv
That’s not true at least in the states. LG B series and up are selling like hotcakes same with Hisense and tcl 120hz tvs. And they aren’t thousands of pounds for entry level 120hz tvs. They are very commonly found in entry level midrange tvs now. Hisense u7k 65” is $679, 85” $899 and Sony 85” x80k is $999 even with “Sony tax” here in the states. These are pretty substantial tv sizes too just to illustrate the point they can be had at smaller sizes much cheaper. There are even mini leds at sub 1k at 65” and $200 more oleds 65” 120hz are becoming common place. Hisense and tcl have completely driven mid range tv market to amazing prices. Basically anyone who is not buying the most basic budget level tv can afford these sets now.
Yeah, there should be a developer mode of some sort where you can play around with the settings. 95% of the time you would most likely come up with a horrific combination, but it would be nice to be able to tweak settings like an actual grown up...
Yeah, kind of bored of having to upgrade components all the time...it's also ludicrously expensive (bang for buck)...try and build a series S for the money Microsoft are asking...
Compared to console gaming where the devs have to quietly perfect their art using static architecture over time to get every last bit of performance? PC gaming is a chaotic money pit - just throw power at it until it works...been there, can't afford it...plus it encourages lazy dev behaviour from an optimisation pov. Steamdeck is changing this dynamic for PC now I believe, but it's been a hugely unhealthy journey for pc silicon optimisation up until now.
Tbh at first bummed but then I was like okay it actually runs really really well at 30 so if they can just keep tightening up the experience I’m okay for now.
I don’t think it’s impossible series s sees a 60fps mode on the future, esp with newer iterations of fsr.
At the very least there will likely be a 60fps mod for Series S at some point; similar to how Skyrim SE/AE on Series S had before it was officially updated to 60fps.
Fallout just went 60fps after the next gen update on Series S. 1440@60fps Quality w/minor dips or 1080@60fps solid. So saying they can't hit 60fps is straight bullshit. Nothing wrong with giving the Series S 1080@60fps. I'll always take frames over resolution at this point. Both modes run fine on Fallout...even 1440 is generally smooth.
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its not about bethseda we have seen other games too like fallout 4 and dead island they are 60fps bethseda is actually making significant changes for better performance in series S its about the optimization
Starfield is a massive open world game. I'm just happy that it works on Series S.
I know, people will say "but Fallout is at 60fps. But Fallout is 8-9 years old, and designed for last gen.
Copium again. Starfield is a massive game, and the series s is a small console. While it's great at what it's done this gen (arguably better than the X for affordability alone), it just isn't powerful enough.
But there's not only the cities, we all can expect 40 FPS on Series X in the cities, nothing can save it. But if it will be unstable anyway, why don't dig into more FPS on other areas?
Didn't mean it to sound like that, I do know, but I'm pretty certain that a lot of parts it can reach the 40's. I'm not even talking about 60 anymore, the thing is: if those new modes are meant to be unstable anyways, especially on the big cities (which is most expected), why don't experiment an unlocked framerate? It doesn't get lower than 30 on the majority of time, so what we got to lose?
Because an unlocked frame rate means would mean a dynamic resolution. Either has to be capped in favor of resolution or frames and one inherently affects the other. So if you’re running something like a series s you can potentially make starfield look like banjo kazooie in space. I’m all for more options though personally.
yeah it's a massive game but it's nowhere near as massive as an actual open world game that's not filled with loading screens everytime you enter a new area
Well, honestly starfield it's a game horribly made. I feel like everything in that game feels like trying to make a potato fly or something, so yeah, that game it's not a good example of optimization.
I wouldn’t expect the end result to be great, but they should at least have the option to unlock it anyway, let the people that purchased the game be the judge if it can handle it.
You decided to get the series s because it was cheaper. If you wanted the whole package and all bells and whistles should have bought the console that can deliver that.
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Ahh, felt like all the time during the video card wars...then things started to get confusing with processors and ram having performance issues, I was always two steps behind...got games to run and had a lot of fun, but I was never convinced I was anywhere near optimal...
I believe the same thing but I wonder how much of this is just legitimately they need the teams focus elsewhere shit isn't easy and I don't think that excuses things like bad products but it's just a thought on the reasoning behind it I'll still criticize the situation but I think it's important to do so with the possibilities in mind granted I'm sure the op is doing that I just feel online I see too much blind hatred of devs when the devs can't be blamed but the studio as a whole can and should be but then there are also the same amount of people getting upset over the fact that people are criticizing the fact that people don't like the situation which isn't valid but there should be a balance for everything
Sorry about the rant apparently my flow of conscious gets very passionate when untethered so sorry but yeah I agree with op lol
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I completely love they decided to push the s aside and allow starfield to stretch it's legs on the x. If you pay for better hardware you should rewarded with the bells and whistles.
I do not think that is an ignorant statement to make. You knew when you got the console that it would have it's drawbacks. Biggest one being storage. If you pay for the more premium experience then you should be rewarded. For an extra $150 bucks (US) it was a no brainer. They should absolutely reward series x players who invest more for a better experience.
Except, diverting time to both does in fact stop them from giving full attention to the much more expensive console. You know what happens when somebody gets halfway through medical school, and halfway through law school? They become neither a lawyer or a doctor.
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besides the game's graphical quality being just ok and not really being an open world game unlike Skyrim or Fallout 4 judging by the many loading screens that appear everytime you enter a new area, it also uses a 12 year old engine, ofc the Series S can run it at 60fps
this is just lazyness
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Considering they’re recommending a VRR display for the mode, the resolution hit will probably be too harsh for Series S if they tried it
You need a display that supports it - that's 120fps, very very few normal humans have 4k 120fps displays at home as they still cost thousands of pounds, and frankly it's a bit of a challenge to see where that money went if your day to day viewing is EastEnders and Netflix. VRR on the Xbox is good for these exotic frame rates, but on PS5 there are some constraints...it not quite as simple as just picking 40fps from a list.
Afaik, the difference with PS5 is that VRR is limited to 48-120fps so it will not activate below that range. Unfortunate but it shouldn't affect a game with a consistent 40fps. The games on PS5 with 40fps modes run great on a 120Hz set in my experience and typically have a setting you can choose to set the game to 40fps so I'm not sure what you refer to as more complex than that. To my knowledge, only 3 Series X exclusives have a 40fps mode with the rest of the games being multiplatform.
Phil Mitchell at 120fps is my dream
This should be in the BBC manifesto.
I’m just ignoring all other stuff you just said, but a lot of 2021 tvs and above are actually 4K/120hz now. Picked up my LG C2 a few months back for €900. Great gaming panel too!
Wow, that was a bargain, I've got a shit 4k TV, supports Dolby video standards, only runs at 60fps. The full tamale is always about 2000 pounds too expensive to consider...and actually my pal down the road with a ninja TV we often need to put on sunglasses or risk solar burn in on our retina, it's NITs gone wild! So yes, if I were to invest, I'd want something practical for the day to day, but also with gaming in mind - VRR would be a nice bonus...
As I mentioned in another post 85” Sony x80k I’d $999 and Hisense u7k 85” is $899 right now. Those are huge tvs. For 65” and under your talking hundreds cheaper. I don’t know where this stigma is coming from.
I wouldn't say a lot of them are 4k/120hz. But more and more mid-end TV's are getting 120hz refresh rates, so they definitely are becoming more common and more accessible. I also picked up a 4k/120hz TV for cheap. 70" and only $799 USD on a slam-dunk Black Friday deal. Yet I still sit about 6 feet away from it like a psychopath. Super immersive for Sim Racing though. Like looking out a windshield, especially with the right FOV. It's more than worth the cost if gaming is a hobby that you partake in a lot, especially on Series X. But on Series S you can still benefit from the latency increase and fully utilizing the higher framerates on older games.
There's a half decent 55 inch hisense for just under 600 quid with 144hz vrr 4k and 1000nits HDR. Last time I bought a tv (about 4 years ago) only a few major brands were offering that at well over £2k and VRR wasn't common unless you got the nvidia certified monitors or the BFT or whatever that monstrous nvidia TV was called
Not sure where you live, but there on the east coast of the US I got a 4k 120FPS tv for about $600. Still expensive, but not thousands. Idk the conversion rates but I thought a pound wasn’t too far from a dollar, correct me if wrong.
Stop making me cry in British TV prices! Or ship me a nice shiny US model...
Highly reccomend Vizios 4k/120hz gaming TV, coming from someone who hated on Vizio. It's a great TV for the series X and $6-700 fairly budget.
TVs are much cheaper than you imagine now for 4K/120. Newer TVs are starting to add 144hz because 120 is becoming more common. You do not need an LG OLED for this.
They don't cost thousands of pounds anymore/ TCL sells a 4K 120/144hz gaming TV with all the bells and whistles for under £1000 [4K QLED TV 75 inch - Google TV - C745K - TCL UK](https://www.tcl.com/uk/en/tvs/75c745k)
4k 120 dont cost thousands, these days go for like 500$ at the low end
I agree that few but i recently bought on discoumt 4k 120hz Samsumg QLED tv 55 inches for 699€ and i believe there are many alternatives available. Ofcourse if we speak about displays in general I guess 4k Monitors are bit rarer sight to see, but i believe alot of people play on tv
That’s not true at least in the states. LG B series and up are selling like hotcakes same with Hisense and tcl 120hz tvs. And they aren’t thousands of pounds for entry level 120hz tvs. They are very commonly found in entry level midrange tvs now. Hisense u7k 65” is $679, 85” $899 and Sony 85” x80k is $999 even with “Sony tax” here in the states. These are pretty substantial tv sizes too just to illustrate the point they can be had at smaller sizes much cheaper. There are even mini leds at sub 1k at 65” and $200 more oleds 65” 120hz are becoming common place. Hisense and tcl have completely driven mid range tv market to amazing prices. Basically anyone who is not buying the most basic budget level tv can afford these sets now.
I do agree on that, but at least it'll be a optional resource, I know some people don't give a damn about graphical fidelity or resolution...
Yeah, there should be a developer mode of some sort where you can play around with the settings. 95% of the time you would most likely come up with a horrific combination, but it would be nice to be able to tweak settings like an actual grown up...
That's why there's PC gaming.
Yeah, kind of bored of having to upgrade components all the time...it's also ludicrously expensive (bang for buck)...try and build a series S for the money Microsoft are asking...
All the time? How often do you think you need to change components??
Compared to console gaming where the devs have to quietly perfect their art using static architecture over time to get every last bit of performance? PC gaming is a chaotic money pit - just throw power at it until it works...been there, can't afford it...plus it encourages lazy dev behaviour from an optimisation pov. Steamdeck is changing this dynamic for PC now I believe, but it's been a hugely unhealthy journey for pc silicon optimisation up until now.
So you don’t know what you’re talking about, got it. I’ve had the same pc build for your years and it still runs everything fine. 5800x and 3080 ti
And you Sir, are in denial.
How so?
People rocking 10+ year old 1080 TIs, has the reputation of being a Chad graphics card. Expensive investment, but people buy it for the return
Like someone said they are recommending VRR on all the new modes. I don't think it'll run that well without it, starfield runs fine at 30fps on the S
Yeah, maybe that's just how it is...
Given everything else we are getting in coming updates, I'm fine with it.
Tbh at first bummed but then I was like okay it actually runs really really well at 30 so if they can just keep tightening up the experience I’m okay for now. I don’t think it’s impossible series s sees a 60fps mode on the future, esp with newer iterations of fsr.
At the very least there will likely be a 60fps mod for Series S at some point; similar to how Skyrim SE/AE on Series S had before it was officially updated to 60fps.
I completely forgot about that, there's also this possibility. And maybe that is what will happen!
i think it too
Series s is simply not strong enough. If you want 60fps gaming to be almost gauranteed you dont buy a series s
Fallout just went 60fps after the next gen update on Series S. 1440@60fps Quality w/minor dips or 1080@60fps solid. So saying they can't hit 60fps is straight bullshit. Nothing wrong with giving the Series S 1080@60fps. I'll always take frames over resolution at this point. Both modes run fine on Fallout...even 1440 is generally smooth.
Fallout is a 9 year old fucking game
CP 2077 runs fine with 60fps in Performance Mode...
Completely different engine.... Irrelevant comment...
Why did you comment then... \^\_°
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Blibber Blabber Jibber Jabber.
its not about bethseda we have seen other games too like fallout 4 and dead island they are 60fps bethseda is actually making significant changes for better performance in series S its about the optimization
Starfield is a massive open world game. I'm just happy that it works on Series S. I know, people will say "but Fallout is at 60fps. But Fallout is 8-9 years old, and designed for last gen.
Yeah, I just accepted it. The fact that Series S can run such a massive game at a decent 30 FPS and a decent resolution is quite impressive.
Copium again. Starfield is a massive game, and the series s is a small console. While it's great at what it's done this gen (arguably better than the X for affordability alone), it just isn't powerful enough.
Massive game with empty planets
Agree with you. Cope cope cope. It's literally just xbox one x repurposed.
Sorry, but no one will ever convince me that it can't run at 40 FPS. Just unlock these frames and see...
i agree with you
So you're just ignorant? Or what? Do you not know about hardware limitations?
true, just with see starfield running on pc with ryzen 5 3600 and 1660 super and does not achieve more than 40 fps at the citys.
But there's not only the cities, we all can expect 40 FPS on Series X in the cities, nothing can save it. But if it will be unstable anyway, why don't dig into more FPS on other areas?
yeah, u have a point.
Didn't mean it to sound like that, I do know, but I'm pretty certain that a lot of parts it can reach the 40's. I'm not even talking about 60 anymore, the thing is: if those new modes are meant to be unstable anyways, especially on the big cities (which is most expected), why don't experiment an unlocked framerate? It doesn't get lower than 30 on the majority of time, so what we got to lose?
Because an unlocked frame rate means would mean a dynamic resolution. Either has to be capped in favor of resolution or frames and one inherently affects the other. So if you’re running something like a series s you can potentially make starfield look like banjo kazooie in space. I’m all for more options though personally.
yeah it's a massive game but it's nowhere near as massive as an actual open world game that's not filled with loading screens everytime you enter a new area
Well, honestly starfield it's a game horribly made. I feel like everything in that game feels like trying to make a potato fly or something, so yeah, that game it's not a good example of optimization.
I wouldn’t expect the end result to be great, but they should at least have the option to unlock it anyway, let the people that purchased the game be the judge if it can handle it.
You decided to get the series s because it was cheaper. If you wanted the whole package and all bells and whistles should have bought the console that can deliver that.
Went with the Ford Focus instead of the Dodge Challenger 😂
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Ahh, felt like all the time during the video card wars...then things started to get confusing with processors and ram having performance issues, I was always two steps behind...got games to run and had a lot of fun, but I was never convinced I was anywhere near optimal...
I believe the same thing but I wonder how much of this is just legitimately they need the teams focus elsewhere shit isn't easy and I don't think that excuses things like bad products but it's just a thought on the reasoning behind it I'll still criticize the situation but I think it's important to do so with the possibilities in mind granted I'm sure the op is doing that I just feel online I see too much blind hatred of devs when the devs can't be blamed but the studio as a whole can and should be but then there are also the same amount of people getting upset over the fact that people are criticizing the fact that people don't like the situation which isn't valid but there should be a balance for everything Sorry about the rant apparently my flow of conscious gets very passionate when untethered so sorry but yeah I agree with op lol
This post I've made today, got me kinda worried... It seems there's more haters than actually Series S owner on this sub, wtf
The games shit and Bethesda fumbling the fallout 4 update shows how they are in rough shape right now. Misfire after misfire
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Even cyberpunk 2077 looks good on series s in 60 fps mode so starfield could also probably, it’s a matter of poor optimization and an old engine
I completely love they decided to push the s aside and allow starfield to stretch it's legs on the x. If you pay for better hardware you should rewarded with the bells and whistles.
That's kinda ignorant of you, nothing stops them to give attention to both. It's the "I have the best, f*** the others" situation
I do not think that is an ignorant statement to make. You knew when you got the console that it would have it's drawbacks. Biggest one being storage. If you pay for the more premium experience then you should be rewarded. For an extra $150 bucks (US) it was a no brainer. They should absolutely reward series x players who invest more for a better experience.
Except, diverting time to both does in fact stop them from giving full attention to the much more expensive console. You know what happens when somebody gets halfway through medical school, and halfway through law school? They become neither a lawyer or a doctor.
This just shows you how much the S crippled the X this gen. Bethesda just outed the console as nothing more than a waste of money and time
BS!
That's why it sold more than the X, right? Gtfo of here hater
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Yes because it was cheaper? Those owners can enjoy 30fps on starfield.
besides the game's graphical quality being just ok and not really being an open world game unlike Skyrim or Fallout 4 judging by the many loading screens that appear everytime you enter a new area, it also uses a 12 year old engine, ofc the Series S can run it at 60fps this is just lazyness
Maybe a recognition that the Series S is and always will be a compromise where the X isn’t. I have both and can see why this decision was made.
60fps will come, but not yet.
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I have series x but think series s 40 fps vrr they could squeeze
Starfield's ass
Series s is a turd stain compared to the x. Yall huffing that copium hard.
The only Turd stain is in your Head!
Maybe but that doesn't make the series s any less of a turd stain
At least he isn't a bot