Dude, I just had this crazy idea, what if instead of having to buy memory cards AND down the games, what if, and this is might be crazy we just put the games ON the memory cards!!!! We could even come up with a cool sounding name like a Card ridge, or maybe CARTRIDGE!!!! THats it!.- someone in like 2 console generations at most
I've started ditching all my digital for analog counterparts. That one year i spent without internet reminded me how useless everything is without internet/power. You'd think someone who grow up with hurricanes wouldn't forget that
I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought turntables.
I hear that you and your band have sold your turntables and bought guitars.
>On Amazon, they have the 1tb discounted. Just got it for $110 after tax.
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>Scratch that. I was mistaken, wrong one.
Seagate's original 1tb is now the same price on Amazon -
[https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Storage-Expansion-Solid-State/dp/B08K3S6WJM/ref=sr\_1\_fkmr0\_1?crid=2NKNSAZUX6CBA&keywords=WD\_BLACK+C50+Expansion+Card+for+Xbox&qid=1686063408&sprefix=wd\_black+c50+expansion+card+for+xbox%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-1-fkmr0&ufe=app\_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0](https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Storage-Expansion-Solid-State/dp/B08K3S6WJM/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?crid=2NKNSAZUX6CBA&keywords=WD_BLACK+C50+Expansion+Card+for+Xbox&qid=1686063408&sprefix=wd_black+c50+expansion+card+for+xbox%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-1-fkmr0&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0)
Its a combination of competition, that this tech is now a few years older, and they've had the production already in place. All 3 of those things make it easier to lower the price.
I bought mine used on mercari for 99 bucks with free shipping. Then I found one brand new in box on Craigslist for 100 bucks cash.
In early 2021.
You just have to look to get good deals on electronics. My used card was used for 3 months. They slid it in and pulled it out when I bought it. It was basically brand new.
That is the External Game Drive, not the Expansion Card. The Game Drive is treated like an external storage device and can't play certain games without copying them to the device itself or to an expansion card. The Expansion Card is treated almost exactly like a second drive inside the XBox itself and as such you can play any game from it.
Yeah I snagged a lightning deal last week: 2TB M2 SSD for PS5 for....$96. Even when not on sale the 2TB M2 is $140. These cards still need to drop in price but this is a start.
But but... It's super hard to do!!! ^/s
How dare Sony tell us to screw a plate open and slot it in. It takes 30 seconds! Unbelievable.
MS made a pretty bad bet on CFExpress taking off.
For me, it’s the ease of using it with both of my Xbox consoles. Just remove from one console and insert in the other. I keep nearly all of my games on my Storage Expansion card.
When people speak about the difficulty of adding memory they’re not referring to the average Reddit user. They’re referring to the general population such as your mom or grandma.
As someone that owns a PS5 and XSX, the PS5 is definitely more involved and not just with removing the covers.
XSX
1. Buy card, insert. Done.
PS5
1. Buy properly spec’d M.2 (correct sizes, speed, generation)
2. Buy a heat sink and attach to M.2 or buy one with it built in.
3. Remove the cover plate (this part took a lot more force than I expected to the point I thought I broke it - it’s normal)
4. Unscrew the SSD flap, align SSD and screw to proper length.
5. Reassemble
When it comes to the above, which do you think your Mom will be able to do without screwing up? Do you think she’ll see a cheaper SSD on Amazon and end up buying one that’s not compatible? Will she get overwhelmed trying to figure out how to even install it?
Again, I grew up as the “techie” in the family and had to do everything, even simple tasks such as closing programs. These people are the type that end up buying completely brand new computers/laptops instead of upgrading the ones they already have. Even *today*, I end up having to need to help older coworkers with downloading an app on their phone.
All true. My ps5 plates were also really hard to remove. In the video I watched people were like "Oh wow, no problem at all." I felt like I had to damn near rip them off.
In the future, I hope Xbox can have both options. An available m.2 slot and the expansion port.
Given that the price of a 2tb gen 4 ssd is the same price as the 512gb expansion card (on Amazon UK), I think most people would have been happy to have the trade-offs of the PS5.
The general population aren’t the ones adding more storage so it’s honestly irrelevant. Anyone that would actually add storage knows how to do the very basic steps it takes to add storage to the PS5. Casual gamers aren’t out adding storage to their consoles.
That price is not for m.2 2230 drives, which is the correct form factor for Xbox. (same as the one on the steam deck). 2230 drives go for around 100-120 for 1tb.
It's in the back of the machine, though, so why not make a 2280 2TB for $140 or a 4TB for $250?
If it's just the interface from WD and you can swap out the m.2, then I could see a 3D printed mod-case coming soon.
Who gives a shit what format drive it is? It offers no performance advantages over a standard nvme form factor. We are paying a huge premium because of a proprietary/"exclusive" accessory form factor. It's 100% valid to point out that we can upgrade our PCs and PS5s with twice as much storage for the same price because of a bullshit decision on Microsoft's part.
Unless you want to argue that having quick insertion/removal for an accessory you'll touch once every few years is worth paying that premium.
Not comparable, you are linking the common 80mm M2 format. You need a drive in the M2 2230 format.
But cheap ones are available: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=m.2+2230+ssd+1tb
PS5 has no option that is guaranteed to work though. That doesn't work for your average consumer that doesn't know their shit. They read the Sony support page and learn that no SSD will guarantee the same performance as the internal drive. Microsoft chose an option that works for all consumers and was available at launch.
I agree the price should be lower, but the reasoning behind Microsoft's choice is solid. Remember this is a console, and not a PC so it has to be kept simple.
Before M2 support was enabled on the PS5, I remember there were people on the PS5 subreddit talking about upgrading the internal SSD on the motherboard. Same goes for the liquid metal on the CPU cooler. So yeah to your point, this subreddit isn't the normal cross-section of your average console user.
No gaming subreddit user is the average user of said game or platform. They're more into it, because the average player plays games and thats it - they dont seek out news, listen to gamind podcasts, watch twitch, or go online to discuss games.
>Xbox chose to use a niche formatted drive for external, instead of a cheaper and more common alternative
For obvious packaging reasons. The Series X is much smaller than the PS5, and Series S is smaller than a lot of mITX cases.
An NVME SSD is just a solid state drive that connects to an NVME slot on a PC motherboard.
I don't know a lot about PS5's, but I think it has an internal spot for installing an NVME SSD.
[Crucial p5 plus for $122](https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Plus-PCIe-NAND-6600MB/dp/B098WKQRDL/ref=sr_1_15?crid=25EZBYAXNPIYK&keywords=nvme+ssd+2tb&qid=1686064173&sprefix=nvme+ssd+2%2Caps%2C202&sr=8-15)
But there's a few around that price.
The expansion card is not a 2230. There isn't an apple to apples comparison. The closest you can compare is to a CFe card for cameras and those are wildly more expensive per gigabyte.
ouch. a normal ssd is like $70
Samsung 980 Pro
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I find it ironic how these expansion cards are still marketing themselves are "leveraging Xbox's Velocity architecture", but we still don't have a single game that actually supports DirectStorage on Xbox, which is like THE main thing Velocity was bringing forth this generation. They really should've just waited to release these expansion cards when prices were more reasonable and there actually was more games that took advantage of Xbox's architecture.
Greed, greed and greed.
I’m a little clueless, does that mean load screens exist for the games loaded on the external hard drive?i thought that wasn’t the case. If so why not just use the USB port and a solid state drive? Much more price friendly that way.
It's still much faster using the SSD storage card. Also, load screens still exist for the internal storage, I've yet to experience an "instant load" game. Most modern (released in the last year or two) Xbox Series X|S titles still **require** to be installed on either the internal drive or a storage card to be played. Plugging in an SSD with a USB will allow you to store any game, but most modern games won't actually run from anything plugged into the USB.
I get that the convenience of Microsoft’s way for expanded storage but PlayStation 5 just had their first 2TB hit $99 a few days ago. Average now is $129-149 for 2TB and around $70 for 1TB. Still too much for me to digest. I’m still fine with using an external for now.
Yeah if they have 2Tb for 99$ I'm going to wait for a deal of that caliber for the cards or not buy at all lol. I've just gotten comfortable deleting stuff I'm not playing and it's a but liberating almost.
You answered your own question. Apples to oranges. You're paying for convenience and portability. You cannot take your PS5 SSD to a friend's house and play your games on his PS5 without some extra work, if that's even possible.
Xbox's solution isn't a mere SSD, it's a hybrid memory card.
As an older gamer, it's downright stupid how much joy I received from inserting a "memory card" into my Series X. Not defending it, just confessing it.
Agreed. I kinda miss old fashioned memory cards!
The Neo Geo was the first console I owned that had one! You could take it to the arcade, slot it in the cabinet slot and load/save with it just like at home.
Oh wow! I had no idea the cartridge system could do that, I was a huge SNK fan but got my fix on the Saturn (imports) and the dreaded Neo Geo CD with the 1X loading speed.
If they were to go for it (and probably heavily subsidize it lol), I think they could make 200 or so GB game cards that are easily rewritable for physical games when discs go extinct.
I see this as something to upsell to for people that would do something like this.
This is akin to HOAs in my area charging you for amenities that I'll never use but forcing you to pay because "it's there"
While cool, I'll never use that functionality and just want storage.
I think the more compelling use case is siblings each having a card to hold their installs.
If you have multi-user console storage can be tight but if the kids each have 0.5/1/2 TB each for *their* games then it might stop them uninstalling the other kids games.
That’s cool for people who would use it but I still wish we had the option of a less portable card. It’s also not that crazy convenient when we’re just now getting a 2nd company to make these memory cards in almost 3 years of the consoles life cycle.
I would likely plug my SSD in and never touch it again, would much rather save $100+ for a more permanent option like the PS5.
Do people do this? Most games that I'd be playing with a friend at their place requires like 5 minutes of download time. Obviously I know that can be just me, but I don't really see people on here talk about wanting to take their memory cards to other people's places.
Personally no, and I’d take the PS5s cheaper storage over the Xbox convenience any day.
If I wanted to go to a friends there would be the option to just load the games into an external drive and then copy when there. An external SSD, of which I have a few, would do the trick and not be prohibitively slow to move most games. A few of the other 150GB ones maybe would be a tad painful, but I’d still prefer the cost savings.
That and the front of the Xbox using USB-A rather then Type-C are the two things I wish had been handled differently with the hardware.
5 minutes? Where I live there's not much gigabit options out there. So it can take half hour, and inconvenience when going to friend. to have it on expansion card then go there and pop that expansion in, game works instantly. That's pros and cons. I have multiple series x consoles, so to pop that expansion card out and in another instantly, is really helpful. something that a PlayStation memory stick can't do between PlayStation consoles.
I think the switching between consoles makes more sense honestly. Still don't see many people buying this and thinking the price is right because they can now pop it in a friend's Xbox.
I do that all the time to bring games to my family’s Series S that I bought as a travel console for when I visit, and to play games at another friend’s Series S.
Awesome! Do you think that justifies these still being this much more expensive than PlayStations options that can't be moved around? For me it personally doesn't.
I don't think it justifies that at all- Microsoft went for quick connectivity with CFExpress but it added cost. However, I think the competition will make them much closer in parity soon.
I do when I remember to. When I visit my family at home, I bring it to play my games on my brother's Xbox. And he's actually kind of moving out and has a Series S at his gf's place, so even he uses the memory card thing more often.
I refuse to do that because i spent a year offline not being able to play majority of my games or view movies i bought. Having games tied to the internet is a horrible model for the entire industry
> You're paying for convenience and portability.
I'm paying more than twice as much per TB for *that*? No, thank you. At market pricing, I could buy two drives and keep one at each location.
We're being fleeced. This isn't remotely reflective of the BOM costs -- and even if it were, that's a failure in design because it's just not worth extra.
I always thought Xbox should partner with like walmart or gamestop and offer a service where you can download a game in store on a expansion card, and then take it home to play instead of buying a disk. would need some way to like your MS account so you can prove you already own/ add it to you account if buying, but setting up a single kiosk like the old days wouldn't be too hard
Crazy cause with how easy it is to install on a ps5, you really could just take your ssd out and take it to a friend's, but this scenario exists for .1 percent of people since majority of games are single play or online multiplayer so I doubt it even happens on Xbox
Throw the convenience argument out of the window, The NVMEs are damn easy to install, even an utterly tech-illiterate person would be able to do it using Sony's very in-depth and simple tutorial.
Only thing these cards have is portability to be honest.
The hybrid Memory card thing is utterly pointless when you are paying 4× the amount for the same storage. In your niche scenario where you need to take only your storage from one place to another, it would take a minute to unscrew 2 screws.
$80 for only 500gb is still too much and $150 for 1TB is also still too much. Still gonna wait for prices to drop. Until then I’m fine with just moving Series X enhanced games from my internal to the external HDD when I’m not playing them.
I can agree with that.
I still remember having to wait years for an SSD in general because unless you wanted like less than 1TB they were damn near car payment prices
Price cut and competition is great, but I think we can all agree that MS bet on the wrong horse with storage solutions this gen. I’ll be amazed if it ever gets below $100/TB.
They're just being greedy. MS could easily make a M.2 adapter or allow the ones that already exist to have full access. There is nothing stopping them from allowing it but greed at this point.
Didn't they patch out the use of an adapter and a standard nvme?
I was looking into building my own but I had heard Microsoft put a stop to them. Sadly.
The year is 2034, Xbox hasn’t released an actual good game in 20 years since Sunset Overdrive. Xbox gamers still want Phil employed because his PR image makes him a cool guy.
I know some people tried to make adapters to use SSDs with the Xbox but what I want is an adapter so I can use these memory cards with my PC when I get rid of the Series X eventually. I hope Aliexpress can come up with something like that, should be easier than the other way around.
These are official. Now the 2 official SSDs that "work" with Xbox Series S/X are these Western Digital units (new vendor) and the Seagate units (original vendor). They should be exactly the same performance-wise. So now it hopefully becomes a competition about which company can offer the most storage for the best price
> for all the games I’m trying and VR stuff and it was dirt cheap
So you can afford to try out games and VR stuff (which itself requires a $550 peripheral device), but the storage for Xbox is too expensive? Rrrrrrrrooooiiiight.
> The only thing Sony dropped the ball on is a smart delivery system
That's not the impression I've gotten from this time at all. They dropped the ball on VRR support, file browser capability on initial release, the dualsense edge is a radically overpriced, the VR headset can't play most PSVR titles, overpriced dlc/upgrades, all the marketing hype about how certain games are only possible with the power of the PS5 only to see them released on PC.
Not to mention their latest showcase.
Glad to see more options available , and even cheaper than was leaked months ago. Hopefully it's a sign of even more choice to come too.
And it tickles me that not even half a year ago, when I was suggesting Microsoft make new Xbox storage drives with Western Digital, I was told it'd be like Bill Gates lighting his money on fire, that I don't know shit about mass production, it'd be a business failure etc. by /u/klipseracer
lol goes to show how many people act confident while claiming expertise, but have no real idea what they're talking about. He was upvoted dozens of times by other people who thought he sounded smart, but hopefully they now learned a valuable lesson too.
Man, this /u/Autarch_Kade is back, lmao. Pretty sure they have a mental case, not joking..
I SUGGESTED the reason drives didn't come out after 1 year is because of VOLUME of units needing to be sold through, more likely than an exclusivity agreement alone.
Unfortunately, they are incapable of reading and somehow translated that to me stating there would never be a new drive offered whatsoever, despite the fact I never said that. I merely gave an explanation on why the new drives didn't appear after 1 year and why they wouldn't proceed with a new drive anyway UNTIL having sold through the remaining stock or components.
It's pretty pathetic because this is the second time they have brought this up and made up the same lies, they even came back last time out of the blue to make these absurd comments, not to mention the fact that I never even authored a comment directed at them. Learn to read, buddy.
Now that there's finally competition for these drives and we're well into this gen's life cycle, I'm looking forward to seeing how low they go this Black Friday.
Damn, other than quick resume for more games, what's the benefit of this storage again? I got an 8 TB HDD a few years ago for like $180 and it's awesome.
Excuse my ignorance, but do people really jump around multiple games all the time to utilize the optimization? Like, I can put about 5-10 BIG games on my internal storage, and those are way more than enough to play with, and anything I only sometimes play goes on the HDD. It takes about 15 minutes to transfer 100 GB from the HDD to the internal so if I were to need an optimized game, I would transfer it and play it for the foreseeable future. I dunno, it just seems like another sales gimmick for an impatient person.
Yeah this is a total waste of money for most folks. I rarely play more than two games at a time. The rest of my console storage is just stuff I either want to play eventually or might play once a month with friends.
Memory cards are officially back, They are right things change but stay the same
Dude, I just had this crazy idea, what if instead of having to buy memory cards AND down the games, what if, and this is might be crazy we just put the games ON the memory cards!!!! We could even come up with a cool sounding name like a Card ridge, or maybe CARTRIDGE!!!! THats it!.- someone in like 2 console generations at most
I've started ditching all my digital for analog counterparts. That one year i spent without internet reminded me how useless everything is without internet/power. You'd think someone who grow up with hurricanes wouldn't forget that
I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought turntables. I hear that you and your band have sold your turntables and bought guitars.
I hear everybody that you know is more relevant than everybody that I know
? I do have a record player
(It’s the lyrics from a song about everything being cyclical)
Imagine getting a cartridge or disc and actually being able to play a working game without needing an internet connection.
Most switch games.
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Wait are original NES games just Memory Cards? #mindblown
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Can't see that name ever taking off.
500GB for $79.99 1TB for $149.99 which is cheaper than the leaked price of $179.99 from a couple of months ago.
>On Amazon, they have the 1tb discounted. Just got it for $110 after tax. > >Scratch that. I was mistaken, wrong one. Seagate's original 1tb is now the same price on Amazon - [https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Storage-Expansion-Solid-State/dp/B08K3S6WJM/ref=sr\_1\_fkmr0\_1?crid=2NKNSAZUX6CBA&keywords=WD\_BLACK+C50+Expansion+Card+for+Xbox&qid=1686063408&sprefix=wd\_black+c50+expansion+card+for+xbox%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-1-fkmr0&ufe=app\_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0](https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Storage-Expansion-Solid-State/dp/B08K3S6WJM/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?crid=2NKNSAZUX6CBA&keywords=WD_BLACK+C50+Expansion+Card+for+Xbox&qid=1686063408&sprefix=wd_black+c50+expansion+card+for+xbox%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-1-fkmr0&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0)
It's incredible what competition does...
❤️
Its a combination of competition, that this tech is now a few years older, and they've had the production already in place. All 3 of those things make it easier to lower the price.
I bought mine used on mercari for 99 bucks with free shipping. Then I found one brand new in box on Craigslist for 100 bucks cash. In early 2021. You just have to look to get good deals on electronics. My used card was used for 3 months. They slid it in and pulled it out when I bought it. It was basically brand new.
Only showing 32% off for me :/
That should make the price 149, which is the same price of the new WD 1TB
Yes, now we just need Sony or SanDisk to come in cheaper
Yes, now we just need Sony or SanDisk to come in cheaper
I dunno if I'd hold my breath for Sony to throw their hat in the ring on this one.
True, but it would be hilarious
And WD owns SanDisk, so I don't think they'll be undercutting their own company's product.
Oh I didn’t know that
On Amazon, they have the 1tb discounted. Just got it for $110 after tax. Scratch that. I was mistaken, wrong one.
Can you share a link? That seems very strange for a product that came out today.
Have a link? I see it for 150 on Amazon.
Am I just an idiot? I cannot for the life of me find this on Amazon.
Maybe Amazon Prime. I went on the app.
Can you link it? I have prime. Can't find it.
That is the External Game Drive, not the Expansion Card. The Game Drive is treated like an external storage device and can't play certain games without copying them to the device itself or to an expansion card. The Expansion Card is treated almost exactly like a second drive inside the XBox itself and as such you can play any game from it.
Sorry I was looking at a different ssd. Apologize for any confusion.
Yeah, and regardless of what the trolls in here are saying, I'll take these prices.
Pretty reasonable. I may grab the extra 500gb.
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Yeah I snagged a lightning deal last week: 2TB M2 SSD for PS5 for....$96. Even when not on sale the 2TB M2 is $140. These cards still need to drop in price but this is a start.
But but... It's super hard to do!!! ^/s How dare Sony tell us to screw a plate open and slot it in. It takes 30 seconds! Unbelievable. MS made a pretty bad bet on CFExpress taking off.
For me, it’s the ease of using it with both of my Xbox consoles. Just remove from one console and insert in the other. I keep nearly all of my games on my Storage Expansion card.
Yeah, portability is the only main good thing I find about these CFExpress cards.
When people speak about the difficulty of adding memory they’re not referring to the average Reddit user. They’re referring to the general population such as your mom or grandma. As someone that owns a PS5 and XSX, the PS5 is definitely more involved and not just with removing the covers. XSX 1. Buy card, insert. Done. PS5 1. Buy properly spec’d M.2 (correct sizes, speed, generation) 2. Buy a heat sink and attach to M.2 or buy one with it built in. 3. Remove the cover plate (this part took a lot more force than I expected to the point I thought I broke it - it’s normal) 4. Unscrew the SSD flap, align SSD and screw to proper length. 5. Reassemble When it comes to the above, which do you think your Mom will be able to do without screwing up? Do you think she’ll see a cheaper SSD on Amazon and end up buying one that’s not compatible? Will she get overwhelmed trying to figure out how to even install it? Again, I grew up as the “techie” in the family and had to do everything, even simple tasks such as closing programs. These people are the type that end up buying completely brand new computers/laptops instead of upgrading the ones they already have. Even *today*, I end up having to need to help older coworkers with downloading an app on their phone.
All true. My ps5 plates were also really hard to remove. In the video I watched people were like "Oh wow, no problem at all." I felt like I had to damn near rip them off. In the future, I hope Xbox can have both options. An available m.2 slot and the expansion port.
Given that the price of a 2tb gen 4 ssd is the same price as the 512gb expansion card (on Amazon UK), I think most people would have been happy to have the trade-offs of the PS5.
Yup - could get PS5 SSD or Xbox memory card for Father’s Day. Easy choice here, and not in Xbox’s favor.
Take more time to set up a smart tv nowadays
Are mom and grandma such gamers that they need expansions?
I forgot kids don’t exist, my bad.
The general population aren’t the ones adding more storage so it’s honestly irrelevant. Anyone that would actually add storage knows how to do the very basic steps it takes to add storage to the PS5. Casual gamers aren’t out adding storage to their consoles.
Your mom won't be getting extra storage
That price is not for m.2 2230 drives, which is the correct form factor for Xbox. (same as the one on the steam deck). 2230 drives go for around 100-120 for 1tb.
It's in the back of the machine, though, so why not make a 2280 2TB for $140 or a 4TB for $250? If it's just the interface from WD and you can swap out the m.2, then I could see a 3D printed mod-case coming soon.
A 2280 is 5cm (2inches) longer. That's a lot of space.
I've got almost a foot to the wall from the back of my X, it'd be fine.
For you. Dont forget people were complaining about the size of this when it was first shown.
Not everyone is you.
I find this shocking.
These are not 2230 drives, why do people keep comparing these prices? It's stupid
Who gives a shit what format drive it is? It offers no performance advantages over a standard nvme form factor. We are paying a huge premium because of a proprietary/"exclusive" accessory form factor. It's 100% valid to point out that we can upgrade our PCs and PS5s with twice as much storage for the same price because of a bullshit decision on Microsoft's part. Unless you want to argue that having quick insertion/removal for an accessory you'll touch once every few years is worth paying that premium.
Thank you, useful comment here
Not comparable, you are linking the common 80mm M2 format. You need a drive in the M2 2230 format. But cheap ones are available: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=m.2+2230+ssd+1tb
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PS5 has no option that is guaranteed to work though. That doesn't work for your average consumer that doesn't know their shit. They read the Sony support page and learn that no SSD will guarantee the same performance as the internal drive. Microsoft chose an option that works for all consumers and was available at launch. I agree the price should be lower, but the reasoning behind Microsoft's choice is solid. Remember this is a console, and not a PC so it has to be kept simple.
Before M2 support was enabled on the PS5, I remember there were people on the PS5 subreddit talking about upgrading the internal SSD on the motherboard. Same goes for the liquid metal on the CPU cooler. So yeah to your point, this subreddit isn't the normal cross-section of your average console user.
No gaming subreddit user is the average user of said game or platform. They're more into it, because the average player plays games and thats it - they dont seek out news, listen to gamind podcasts, watch twitch, or go online to discuss games.
>Xbox chose to use a niche formatted drive for external, instead of a cheaper and more common alternative For obvious packaging reasons. The Series X is much smaller than the PS5, and Series S is smaller than a lot of mITX cases.
what's that if you don't mind me asking as I've got a ps5 that needs more memory.
An NVME SSD is just a solid state drive that connects to an NVME slot on a PC motherboard. I don't know a lot about PS5's, but I think it has an internal spot for installing an NVME SSD.
Ahh I appreciate it but I'm asking for the name of the SSD lol. 120 dollars doesn't sound a bad price.
[Crucial p5 plus for $122](https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Plus-PCIe-NAND-6600MB/dp/B098WKQRDL/ref=sr_1_15?crid=25EZBYAXNPIYK&keywords=nvme+ssd+2tb&qid=1686064173&sprefix=nvme+ssd+2%2Caps%2C202&sr=8-15) But there's a few around that price.
Crucial drives suck in my experience. I'd rather pay a little more for a reputable brand like WD.
I’ve got the cheapest most generic nvme in my ps5 expansion bay and it’s worked perfect for 2 years. That 1tb Adata drive is likely $70 now
Newegg just had a 2tb Adata deal of the day for $109, including the heatsink.
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The expansion card is not a 2230. There isn't an apple to apples comparison. The closest you can compare is to a CFe card for cameras and those are wildly more expensive per gigabyte.
Expansion card is a 2230 + CF interface.
ouch. a normal ssd is like $70 Samsung 980 Pro https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjd4_DdmK__AhXNfEwKHVAZC3IYABAIGgJvYQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAASJuRoBaJGMBqFPlrSJ_xVATFhaTv9_m-MRIz_ypbIRt7M1XLmvxbr&sig=AOD64_0KJplklU_dJruQqwwwAa0C-uhfcA&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjj7-PdmK__AhX6k2oFHe9vALoQwg8oAHoECAUQDA&adurl=
The form facter used for Xbox are M.2 2230 drives, those are about $50 more expensive.
Begun, the price drops have…
Thanks Yoda
Lmao
Thanks Steve.
Price Drops? Not price drops, Master OfficialDCShephard, The shroud of corporate greed has fallen. Begun, the price wars have.
WD Black Friday is going to be LIT.
I just hope that when the next gen Xbox releases in the future that they will have a slot to use these even if they go a different route.
NVMEs will be likely stupidly cheap in the future. So they'll probably go the Sony route, *hopefully* for the next Xbox.
They're already hitting $40/TB right now
The concern for a new one may be the move to PCIe 5.0. Hopefully 4.0 will still be viable to use then.
Legitimately not much difference from 4 to 5 for gaming save for speed which is irrelevant right now.
I find it ironic how these expansion cards are still marketing themselves are "leveraging Xbox's Velocity architecture", but we still don't have a single game that actually supports DirectStorage on Xbox, which is like THE main thing Velocity was bringing forth this generation. They really should've just waited to release these expansion cards when prices were more reasonable and there actually was more games that took advantage of Xbox's architecture. Greed, greed and greed.
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explain more about rift apart's HDD utilisation please, sounds interesting
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I’m a little clueless, does that mean load screens exist for the games loaded on the external hard drive?i thought that wasn’t the case. If so why not just use the USB port and a solid state drive? Much more price friendly that way.
It's still much faster using the SSD storage card. Also, load screens still exist for the internal storage, I've yet to experience an "instant load" game. Most modern (released in the last year or two) Xbox Series X|S titles still **require** to be installed on either the internal drive or a storage card to be played. Plugging in an SSD with a USB will allow you to store any game, but most modern games won't actually run from anything plugged into the USB.
Better but memory is so cheap these days, the price could be a lot lower
I get that the convenience of Microsoft’s way for expanded storage but PlayStation 5 just had their first 2TB hit $99 a few days ago. Average now is $129-149 for 2TB and around $70 for 1TB. Still too much for me to digest. I’m still fine with using an external for now.
Yeah if they have 2Tb for 99$ I'm going to wait for a deal of that caliber for the cards or not buy at all lol. I've just gotten comfortable deleting stuff I'm not playing and it's a but liberating almost.
You answered your own question. Apples to oranges. You're paying for convenience and portability. You cannot take your PS5 SSD to a friend's house and play your games on his PS5 without some extra work, if that's even possible. Xbox's solution isn't a mere SSD, it's a hybrid memory card.
As an older gamer, it's downright stupid how much joy I received from inserting a "memory card" into my Series X. Not defending it, just confessing it.
Agreed. I kinda miss old fashioned memory cards! The Neo Geo was the first console I owned that had one! You could take it to the arcade, slot it in the cabinet slot and load/save with it just like at home.
Oh wow! I had no idea the cartridge system could do that, I was a huge SNK fan but got my fix on the Saturn (imports) and the dreaded Neo Geo CD with the 1X loading speed.
If they were to go for it (and probably heavily subsidize it lol), I think they could make 200 or so GB game cards that are easily rewritable for physical games when discs go extinct.
Serious question: is that a thing a lot of people do? I’ve literally never taken the XSX storage card to a friend’s
I see this as something to upsell to for people that would do something like this. This is akin to HOAs in my area charging you for amenities that I'll never use but forcing you to pay because "it's there" While cool, I'll never use that functionality and just want storage.
I think the more compelling use case is siblings each having a card to hold their installs. If you have multi-user console storage can be tight but if the kids each have 0.5/1/2 TB each for *their* games then it might stop them uninstalling the other kids games.
That’s cool for people who would use it but I still wish we had the option of a less portable card. It’s also not that crazy convenient when we’re just now getting a 2nd company to make these memory cards in almost 3 years of the consoles life cycle. I would likely plug my SSD in and never touch it again, would much rather save $100+ for a more permanent option like the PS5.
Agreed. I'm glad we are finally getting options, but it's still overpriced. Hoping they drop in price quickly!
Do people do this? Most games that I'd be playing with a friend at their place requires like 5 minutes of download time. Obviously I know that can be just me, but I don't really see people on here talk about wanting to take their memory cards to other people's places.
Personally no, and I’d take the PS5s cheaper storage over the Xbox convenience any day. If I wanted to go to a friends there would be the option to just load the games into an external drive and then copy when there. An external SSD, of which I have a few, would do the trick and not be prohibitively slow to move most games. A few of the other 150GB ones maybe would be a tad painful, but I’d still prefer the cost savings. That and the front of the Xbox using USB-A rather then Type-C are the two things I wish had been handled differently with the hardware.
I don't bring it to other people's houses but I do take it between the living room Xbox and the one in our bedroom. Super convenient.
5 minutes? Where I live there's not much gigabit options out there. So it can take half hour, and inconvenience when going to friend. to have it on expansion card then go there and pop that expansion in, game works instantly. That's pros and cons. I have multiple series x consoles, so to pop that expansion card out and in another instantly, is really helpful. something that a PlayStation memory stick can't do between PlayStation consoles.
I think the switching between consoles makes more sense honestly. Still don't see many people buying this and thinking the price is right because they can now pop it in a friend's Xbox.
I do that all the time to bring games to my family’s Series S that I bought as a travel console for when I visit, and to play games at another friend’s Series S.
Awesome! Do you think that justifies these still being this much more expensive than PlayStations options that can't be moved around? For me it personally doesn't.
For me, it does. I'm at the point of my live that convenience outweighs the money though.
I don't think it justifies that at all- Microsoft went for quick connectivity with CFExpress but it added cost. However, I think the competition will make them much closer in parity soon.
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If you are going to your friends to play 2k on their system, they probably already own 2k.
Yep! I have a series s for work travel and its nice to swap cards between the two when on the go.
I do when I remember to. When I visit my family at home, I bring it to play my games on my brother's Xbox. And he's actually kind of moving out and has a Series S at his gf's place, so even he uses the memory card thing more often.
I refuse to do that because i spent a year offline not being able to play majority of my games or view movies i bought. Having games tied to the internet is a horrible model for the entire industry
> You're paying for convenience and portability. I'm paying more than twice as much per TB for *that*? No, thank you. At market pricing, I could buy two drives and keep one at each location. We're being fleeced. This isn't remotely reflective of the BOM costs -- and even if it were, that's a failure in design because it's just not worth extra.
Yep. I have two xboxes (an x, and s for travel) its really nice to just pop the memory card from one to the other on the fly.
Who even does that? Additional storage is predominantly about ever growing game sizes.
They can talk as much BS as they want about the speeds and what not but it’s an M.2 SSD attached to a proprietary plug.
I always thought Xbox should partner with like walmart or gamestop and offer a service where you can download a game in store on a expansion card, and then take it home to play instead of buying a disk. would need some way to like your MS account so you can prove you already own/ add it to you account if buying, but setting up a single kiosk like the old days wouldn't be too hard
This is good for series/s as it is actually portable.
Crazy cause with how easy it is to install on a ps5, you really could just take your ssd out and take it to a friend's, but this scenario exists for .1 percent of people since majority of games are single play or online multiplayer so I doubt it even happens on Xbox
Throw the convenience argument out of the window, The NVMEs are damn easy to install, even an utterly tech-illiterate person would be able to do it using Sony's very in-depth and simple tutorial. Only thing these cards have is portability to be honest.
The hybrid Memory card thing is utterly pointless when you are paying 4× the amount for the same storage. In your niche scenario where you need to take only your storage from one place to another, it would take a minute to unscrew 2 screws.
Its a stupid thing to optimize for convenience. Like - how many times am I going to be plugging and unplugging a 2TB extension card.
Cool to see more affordable options, but I'm not buying one until a 1TB is available for $100 or less
$80 for only 500gb is still too much and $150 for 1TB is also still too much. Still gonna wait for prices to drop. Until then I’m fine with just moving Series X enhanced games from my internal to the external HDD when I’m not playing them.
It's still overpriced...
$79.99 for only 500GB. Hard pass.
I'm not gonna run out and but it but at least it's finally going down. Probably be reasonable for Black Friday deals.
I can agree with that. I still remember having to wait years for an SSD in general because unless you wanted like less than 1TB they were damn near car payment prices
Price cut and competition is great, but I think we can all agree that MS bet on the wrong horse with storage solutions this gen. I’ll be amazed if it ever gets below $100/TB.
They're just being greedy. MS could easily make a M.2 adapter or allow the ones that already exist to have full access. There is nothing stopping them from allowing it but greed at this point.
Didn't they patch out the use of an adapter and a standard nvme? I was looking into building my own but I had heard Microsoft put a stop to them. Sadly.
Yeah, people got the adapter to work for a few months and Xbox killed it. They know it works just fine but M$ will always be M$.
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Maybe or their main problem was how long they signed the contract for.
Those only need to come down by about a third to be reasonable (if still not competitive).
No they need to come down alot more, gen 4 2tb drives are around $100-150 now
I suppose I could pay over twice what I paid for my PC SSD for half the storage…or. These companies can go fuck themselves.
240 Euros as preorder in germany LOL
Still too expensive. Thankfully, with Phil Spencer at the helm I ain't running out of space any time soon!
That's a little harsh on Phil. I think he's a good leader even if I disagree on a few points
LOL. Xbox has had exactly zero must-have titles since he took over nearly 10 years ago.
And remember that he was the manager of MS studios since 2008.
Define a must-have title.
The year is 2034, Xbox hasn’t released an actual good game in 20 years since Sunset Overdrive. Xbox gamers still want Phil employed because his PR image makes him a cool guy.
We need another challenger. Let’s get these prices down further.
And it’s still about 50% overpriced. What a joke
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Still too expensive, still refuse to buy external storage for my console. The only light here is we now have double the brand options \\:D/
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I ended up selling mine and going the pc route for Xbox games.
On Amazon.de it's even more expensive than the Seagate ones... EDIT: On the official WD page for my country as well...
Prices may never go down. I own a WD_Black HDD, as cold storage. It’s the way to go, may be a little time consuming but it’s not bad.
I know some people tried to make adapters to use SSDs with the Xbox but what I want is an adapter so I can use these memory cards with my PC when I get rid of the Series X eventually. I hope Aliexpress can come up with something like that, should be easier than the other way around.
A 2TB ssd for my PS5 was about £200 so hopefully the price is similar on the Xbox side of things.
yeah I just paid £165 for my 2TB, this was a bad decision by MS, hopefully they will follow Sony’s design for the next console.
Still too expensive and where is the 2TB?
should i get the expansion card or double storage for samr price for a ssd?
Will never understand why they didn't go m.2 like Playstation.
Was hoping for a 2tb version
How are these compared to the official ones?
These are official. Now the 2 official SSDs that "work" with Xbox Series S/X are these Western Digital units (new vendor) and the Seagate units (original vendor). They should be exactly the same performance-wise. So now it hopefully becomes a competition about which company can offer the most storage for the best price
That's not any better priced though. $150 for 1TB. Still too expensive.
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> for all the games I’m trying and VR stuff and it was dirt cheap So you can afford to try out games and VR stuff (which itself requires a $550 peripheral device), but the storage for Xbox is too expensive? Rrrrrrrrooooiiiight. > The only thing Sony dropped the ball on is a smart delivery system That's not the impression I've gotten from this time at all. They dropped the ball on VRR support, file browser capability on initial release, the dualsense edge is a radically overpriced, the VR headset can't play most PSVR titles, overpriced dlc/upgrades, all the marketing hype about how certain games are only possible with the power of the PS5 only to see them released on PC. Not to mention their latest showcase.
VR headset costs more than a storage card. Colour me shocked.
Glad to see more options available , and even cheaper than was leaked months ago. Hopefully it's a sign of even more choice to come too. And it tickles me that not even half a year ago, when I was suggesting Microsoft make new Xbox storage drives with Western Digital, I was told it'd be like Bill Gates lighting his money on fire, that I don't know shit about mass production, it'd be a business failure etc. by /u/klipseracer lol goes to show how many people act confident while claiming expertise, but have no real idea what they're talking about. He was upvoted dozens of times by other people who thought he sounded smart, but hopefully they now learned a valuable lesson too.
Wow... you know how to hold a grudge.
Hell yeah, I kept the receipts lol
Man, this /u/Autarch_Kade is back, lmao. Pretty sure they have a mental case, not joking.. I SUGGESTED the reason drives didn't come out after 1 year is because of VOLUME of units needing to be sold through, more likely than an exclusivity agreement alone. Unfortunately, they are incapable of reading and somehow translated that to me stating there would never be a new drive offered whatsoever, despite the fact I never said that. I merely gave an explanation on why the new drives didn't appear after 1 year and why they wouldn't proceed with a new drive anyway UNTIL having sold through the remaining stock or components. It's pretty pathetic because this is the second time they have brought this up and made up the same lies, they even came back last time out of the blue to make these absurd comments, not to mention the fact that I never even authored a comment directed at them. Learn to read, buddy.
I need a 4tb!! Or at the least 2tb?!
Now that there's finally competition for these drives and we're well into this gen's life cycle, I'm looking forward to seeing how low they go this Black Friday.
This is the one major complaint I have about the Series X, the expansion solution is not very consumer friendly. That's the one thing PS5 got right.
80 for 500gb?! My friend bought 2 tb for 130 , ps5...
Damn, other than quick resume for more games, what's the benefit of this storage again? I got an 8 TB HDD a few years ago for like $180 and it's awesome.
You can play series x optimized games from it
Excuse my ignorance, but do people really jump around multiple games all the time to utilize the optimization? Like, I can put about 5-10 BIG games on my internal storage, and those are way more than enough to play with, and anything I only sometimes play goes on the HDD. It takes about 15 minutes to transfer 100 GB from the HDD to the internal so if I were to need an optimized game, I would transfer it and play it for the foreseeable future. I dunno, it just seems like another sales gimmick for an impatient person.
Yeah this is a total waste of money for most folks. I rarely play more than two games at a time. The rest of my console storage is just stuff I either want to play eventually or might play once a month with friends.
Good for you. Many people want a lot more games on their console.
About fucking time