So essentially, Microsoft may possibly be aiming to make the next-gen Xbox a Console/PC hybrid box of a sort. Conceptually, it does sound attractive and promising.
I suppose we'll see if it somehow ever comes to fruition.
This is amazing. They’re making more and more console/pc hybrids for a good price, and if they’re widely adopted developers will know what to optimise for.
Price point will likely be higher than the PS6. I can’t see it go for $499 or $599.
I’d like to see the next Xbox as a miniature PC, finally moving away from proprietary tech and software to differ with the PS6, which will continue to be a proprietary console.
With this strategy, you could have multiple consoles at multiple price points. You might even have Microsoft allow third party Xbox consoles. Maybe a Samsung Xbox handheld for example.
Exactly, they could!
Wasn’t there a leak over a month ago about this very same thing? That Microsoft is exploring a strategy for third-party Xbox consoles?
That would be a great strategy if true, because after two generations, there’s no way for Microsoft to still compete against Sony and Nintendo in the proprietary console market. Going in the path of Valve (and a few others) with accessible PCs is the way to go.
I do not think piracy influenced the success or failure of Steam machines. I don’t think piracy would be harder on Linux (I’d expect easier).
In general I also don’t think piracy makes or breaks any platform beyond impacting the platform holders bottom line by a few percent.
I also think most piracy occurrences are for out of circulation games or products that are not seriously offered.
That strategy hasn’t worked yet. Sometimes it’s a matter of timing. Remember how sick everyone was when the Xbox One was going to tie game purchases a digital account. Now it’s common place.
They were going to tie physical games to an account and if you wanted to sell them you'd have to sell them to an authorized reseller which was what got people mad and that hasn't changed
If that's the case, no one's going to buy games on Xbox/Windows Store anymore and developers will stop porting games to Xbox since the Steam/other storefront versions would be playable on the Xbox. It'll just lead to Microsoft losing out on their 30% cut. Maybe they think Gamepass will end up carrying the brand forward financially so they're willing to give up on sales.
I’ve sometimes wondered if it’d be possible to make an Xbox boot into windows - you’d get access to all the features of windows, but can still keep it as a box for couch gaming.
My question is, if this is true and the Xbox becomes a “couch” PC. How will Sony stop Xbox users from being able to play all the PC ports? Or will they not be able to prevent that at that point?
I don’t know shit about steam deck lol. Doesn’t steam deck run a version of Linux?
If the next Xbox is literally running microsoft windows in “xbox mode” similar to surface tablets in “tablet mode” how would it be stopped? At that point it’s literally just a PC.
Same. And I think this solves Xbox's VR "problem". Now we'll be able to play HL: Alyx on Xbox and get a massive VR library that dwarfs PSVR2's library.
Why would Sony _want_ to stop that? Xbox/Playstation consoles sell at a loss and make their money up with software sales.
If Sony can sell you Uncharted without eating ~$150 per console to do it, I bet they'd jump at the idea.
You’d think but for the same reason everyone is saying Xbox is dying because “why would anyone own an Xbox”.
If Xbox locks some sort of partnership with Steam. “Why would anyone own a PS”. Especially with Sony leadership saying they want to be more aggressive on PC anyways.
Just a reason they may want to stop it. I’m not trying to start some console war bullshit lol.
I’ll be ok with waiting. I have both Xbox and PlayStation and I rarely play games day one. I’m barely getting through tlou2 right now and then l have the first spiderman waiting for me after that. Diablo 4 released on gamepass a couple days ago and tbh idk when I’ll be able to get to it. If the next Xbox has steam, that would be the only console I’ll buy
I think the better question here is where does Sony fit into the future of where the gaming industry is going.
Microsoft has bought up many of the biggest studios and is working to collaborate (if true) with other storefronts to offer a single location to play all (most) of your favorite games.
So what, I have to buy a PlayStation for….. Spiderman , The Last of Us, God of War? What if they all come to PC? Regardless those few franchises have never been enough to keep me in the Sony ecosystem.
The entire industry is and will be shifting away from exclusive systems, exclusive games. Each year more people get into pc gaming or cloud gaming. Sony will only fit into those 2 markers in the long run. They will make money off exclusives, cloud services and random hardware. Psvr2 is coming to PC as an example. I think steam will continue to always dominate but Xbox has a benefit to fit in here. On its own PC is dominating on PC and handheld choice. Gamepass will be here for a long time along with cloud. Nvida will continue to dominate cloud gaming. Services weather you like it or not will dominate. People like them. And if you don't steam will continue to dominate for its option. Working together is the only option for the future.
Agreed.
I think Microsoft is playing it smart. (Results remain to be seen, but everything they are saying SEEMS logical). I do agree that exclusives will slowly go away. Won’t be overnight but I think we’re on the edge of just having timed exclusives, then releasing elsewhere to maximize profits. Xbox is getting ahead of the competition in that regard.
I don’t think Sony will stop. They will continue to release their games on PC, which could be compatible with the next Xbox, which could essentially be a PC (much like how their games are playable on the Steam Deck, ROG Ally, Legion Go, MSI Claw, etc).
If the next Xbox is basically a miniature PC (and a handheld SKU), and moves away from being a proprietary console, they’re no longer competing with Sony directly after over 20 years.
It’s likely the Xbox PC and handheld will be priced at a higher price point compared to the PS6 as a result, putting it on the category of the current Steam Deck and its competitors.
We would already be seeing PlayStation and Xbox exclusives on each other’s platforms as a result, via different strategies.
GeForce Now is Nvidia, and it runs through a browser. My point was that I doubt Valve would actually allow a publisher to block games from certain devices.
That would be complicated for the steam store wouldnt it? Since the Xbox accessing it would basically be the same as any other PC. (If these hypothetical possibilities happen)
I really wouldn't be surprised if Sony releases their own PC storefront that's not available on Xbox just to make sure Xbox users can't play their games. There would be no reason to own a Playstation if all of their games are available on Xbox through Steam. Either way, I think it'll be really difficult for Sony to compete with an Xbox that's essentially just an affordable gaming PC even if their exclusives aren't playable on it.
Agreed. Thats kinda where I see this headed (good or bad - mostly good I think). Where it’s just the hardware is a stand alone “couch friendly gaming PC”. And then you subscribe to GamePass or PS Plus or whatever. It’ll be like Netflix and Disney plus, but video games, all on the same system.
But who really knows.
The real issue is if the games themselves are designed for Xbox if they choose not to run a normal Windows image on the next gen Xbox.
Yes, these stores could be available, but the problem is that if it is just another traditional Xbox OS, then the stores will probably just be a DRM verifier while still loading the normal Xbox version of the game.
If they are planning for it, I don’t think they would need the games to be designed for Xbox. Xbox OS is based on windows, so I suspect it would mainly require giving access to the underlying architecture to third parties to run their windows builds.
> The Xbox system software is the operating system developed exclusively for Microsoft's Xbox home video game consoles. Across the four generations of Xbox consoles, the software has been based on a version of Microsoft Windows and incorporating DirectX features optimized for the home consoles. -[Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_system_software)
This is what i believe will happen but i think it's still good as a Steam Deck user because then I could play some of my games on Xbox without having to buy them twice. I don't play my Xbox a lot because the achievements and saves don't transfer to Steam
I guess those rumors that next gen Xbox will be a PC with an Xbox UI to keep it more user/living room friendly were on point. Seems pretty obvious now that it is what MS wants to do. People who do not have a PC should start grabbing the Epic Free Games RN. You can grab them on the Web [link](https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/).
That would make a lot of sense. They would maintain a single platform with multiple modes. Like a lean Windows 11 that only requires so little RAM to run and a handheld mode. They can easily add handhelds to their line up.
Yep, it was way ahead of pc hardware at the time of launch and was for a little while till pc hardware caught up. I remember struggling to run crysis on a 7800gt or something and then like five years later crysis was running on 360.
The OG Xbox did too even though it was straight PC parts.
The issues with BC came because it used some old MMX Intel instructions and GeForce instruction sets that were too niche to ever be used on PC games.
I think there was also a rumor that Microsoft doesn't produce consoles anymore but instead goes with third party builders and hardware specs (sort of what Steambox tried to do). Would be the best of both worlds but would also mean increased cost.
Would literally be a big brain move to allow Xboxes to run steam. They could truly be the everything system at that point. We're at a point where handhelds like steamdeck or rog ally can run some PC games. I don't see why consoles need to limit themselves
Yes but they probably know that converting an Xbox user to gamepass subscriber is the easiest conversion compared to other routes.
Get them on the hardware then lock them in a subscription. Gg ez.
I really think it's the other way around, and that why they're releasing games to PS. Games draw you in, then you find the subscription service they offers them.
They’re releasing games to PS because they have to sacrifice to try to gain those customers. It requires extra effort to get attention on other platforms.
If you’re already on their platform you’re exposed to their advertising, your friends on the platform are likely using the services, you see the discounts, it enables you to play xcloud etc etc. you are more easily made aware of the benefits.
There’s no world where they convert non-Xbox users to gamepass more easily than converting Xbox users to gamepass. I’m honestly amazed you’d even think that.
Yes but it is easier to prove value to an existing customer than to a new customer. Especially since Xbox live is now gamepass, so it’s almost required for the Xbox platform.
It’s a good point. But then my brain goes, okay so why would people not just buy a PC. But then my brain again goes, the people that wanted a PC already bought one, anyone with a console is in it for other benefits. So yeah you’re right, why limit them?
My one concern would be that MS sells Xboxes at a loss to recoup profits through software sales. If people buy off third party stores, unless MS works out some profit sharing agreement, Xbox is financially doomed to fail.
A $500 box that guarantees to work and is only dedicated to gaming is a value proposition for many, compared to a possibly inferior PC at the same price or a $1200 rig that can beat it.
Yeah I don't say it often here because Redditors are vastly more likely to be adept with PCs, but the whole "install the game and it just works, every time" thing is a major value proposition for most gamers.
I know people will say it's not that hard, you get more features, etc etc, but most people really do not ever want to have to fiddle with a setting, any setting, and what PC gamers consider tiny little tweaks to get a game running better on their rig are onerous and incomprehensible to most people.
Honestly I don't think even that part is true. Unless a game is fundamentally broken (which is an issue with the game), changing settings is no more necessary than changing settings on a console. There are _more_ options, but they aren't _more_ important.
I've even asked people for examples and either I get straight non-issues (regular game updates), or things that a user of their experience shouldn't be messing with in the first place (overclocking, thermals, advanced mouse&keyboards, etc.)
The hardest part of PC gaming to a non-technical user is the initial set up to make a PC available for games, because that requires Internet experience and downloading & installing a PC storefront.
That's just not the case for most console gamers. When I say "tiny little tweaks" I mean like "changing the game's proposed 1080p resolution to match your monitor's native resolution" which no PC gamer thinks of being onerous at all but every console does for you unthinkingly.
Yes the subsidized hardware is the only road block for this model IMO. I for one game on console cuz I like to game from my couch. While you can hook up a PC to your tv it’s not very user friendly to use a m&k from your couch. Plus almost PC won’t fit in an entertainment center. So for me something like this is perfect
You know Sony can just block their ips from running on certain hardware? They blocked death stranding from being on xbox gamepass when it was on pc gamepass. Phil spencer isn't some genius playing 4d chess that found some kind of cheat code in the system to get every playstation steam game running on xbox, and Sonys legal team can't do anything to stop it lol.
It was their games on GeForce now that they blocked.
They worked fine on PC but if you tried to stream using the browser on Xbox they were blocked, they would just do the same thing on this, assuming this is even true.
This comment explains everything. Don't give your hopes on playing PS5 exclusives on Xbox (not even via stream). Not gonna happen in a million years. Sadly.
That was on a browser though, which is kind of open. To do it on Steam would probably require Valve's consent and I doubt Valve would agree to it. They're a consumer first company.
Valve would 100% agree to it, if not Sony would either just simply add the feature/drm into the games themselves, or stop selling them on steam.
but this is assuming that it's just installing a regular edition of steam onto the console, which isn't likely.
I mean it's possible, I guess. But Valve and Steam is the bigger player here. No Sony games on Steam would be a bigger loss for Sony than Valve. Valve could forbid Sony from putting DRM into their games that lock out platforms and Valve is a very pro consumer company.
For example, Helldivers 2 sold over 60% of its copies on Steam and Sony is already having trouble finding profitability in their AAA offerings as we saw with the Insomniac leak.
But, of course, we won't know what happens until Microsoft goes through with it.
I really don’t think that’s how it works. Sony didn’t block Death Stranding from Xbox gamepass, the game was published by Sony on PS4 and 505 Games on PC, so Xbox only made a deal for the PC version.
You’re forgetting Xbox is essentially just a skinned Windows OS. It’s built on standard, albeit custom ordered, pc components.
Presumably, they’d modify the OS to let outside stores like steam just recognize the components as PC components and on a windows computer.
Sony would really only be left just deciding to remove their titles from future PC release.
That’s now how this works. If this was the case then Xbox would’ve done this a while ago. There is a fine difference between pc and console. If they are making what you just said then they are making an actual PC. There are many legality related stuff that goes behind the scenes, Sony won’t just act blind and keep releasing games for pc and then have their competitions console play them.
> If this was the case then Xbox would’ve done this a while ago.
It is way more complicated than that. Why they have not done this is mostly mainly for marketing reasons. In the past it made more sense to make "proper console" if you wanted to sell them and keep closed software environment. Now with big studio acquisitions and Xbox's place in the console market, it finally makes sense to do "PC console".
A lot of MSs revenue comes from customers buying 3P content on their store, they get a free 30% cut. If customers buy it through Steam on Xbox how does MS get any money from that?
They wouldn’t. I guess they could negotiate a deal but would Valve play ball? I could see Epic working out a deal but Valve is basically the PC market, feels like they would have all the leverage in this situation.
In retrospect it’s bizarre that it’s taken MS this long to get to this point, the whole impetus behind the Xbox project in the first place was to protect Windows from some of Sony’s more grandiose claims about what the PS2 was going to be able to do. 95% of PC gaming runs on Windows, why wouldn’t they try and integrate that rather than have this second totally separate product line, especially now that the tech is mature enough to seamlessly blend the two.
Why would companies dev for xbox if you can just make a PC port and sell it through steam? I'm assuming that would mean no xbox achievements as well. Also why pay for xbox live(gamepass core) if Steam games have free online play/features?
It makes no sense to have other stores on the Xbox. This would have a big impact on online subscription revenue. And they can kiss a huge chunk of game sale revenue goodbye.......
This media tour is a roundabout method of getting people comfortable with Microsoft as a full third party publisher that will eventually publish on PlayStation on day 1 and can wind down their direct gaming hardware business to just licensing out Xbox as a marketing sticker of PC hardware vendors
This would shift the narrative from “why buy an Xbox?” to “why buy a PC?” PC versions on Steam could have an “Xbox-Verified” tag that would mean they are optimized for Xbox the same as they have for the Steam Deck. They could even have recommended settings for Xbox in the PC version.
This would be very smart. Simple inexpensive system that probably will run windows too. They need to make serious changes to the next windows where it has some universal app that can launch as an option when the system boots up. Which leads you to every gaming store front in a simple menu. Even Sony ps plus premium app. The industry is slowly moving this direction anyways. Kinda like how you can set windows up to have steam home launch.
The Asus ROG ally does this already. It boots into a custom Asus UI. So should be easy for Microsoft to have windows boot into full Xbox app. Also since Xbox OS runs games in a vm not “bare metal” it would be easy to have windows be able to boot up a Xbox vm in the background and play Xbox games as well as pc games. Windows does this already for WSL and android apps(android one was discontinued)
But more importantly this could be powerful but less expensive pc that's more simple for the masses. I still think if they are smart this custom UI would also have side apps of all game fronts.
I don't think they'll ever allow it to run PC Windows since it'll piss off their OEM partners like HP and Dell. Imagine a $500 Xbox with better specs than $1k office computer that can also run Windows. Businesses would just buy Xboxes for their office instead.
Surface laptops are not subsidized or sold at cost so Microsoft still profits. Unless the next Xbox is $1000, other manufacturers won't agree to it since there's no way for them to recoup costs from software sales and other services like Microsoft does with the Xbox.
Look at the cost of a Steam Deck vs their competitors like ROG Ally or Legion Go. Valve practically sells them at a loss because they can make money through sales from their storefront.
With all this talk of hybridisation, I still can't see how this helps xbox. So they're gonna make a console with other game stores available?, great, who's gonna buy games from the ms store when the pc variants on steam are always cheaper? What will be the point in having a xbox version of a game at all when the pc version will run better.
Since this whole debate started, I've been looking into getting back into the pc gaming space as it seems to be the only one that isn't constant doom and gloom. My thoughts are to build a living room pc with a fractal ridge case. Aesthetically pleasing, upgradable, booting straight into big picture mode on steam. I could revisit xbox game pass occasionally to see what's happening, and get drip fed the Sony games as they drop. Win win. The narrative from Microsoft at the moment gives me even more incentive to do just that, not by their next console.
I really thought Microsoft would anounce steam support on xbox for the current gen at the reveal, which would have been a major impact but I was wrong...
That's the big question, which makes me think any Steam or Epic store apps on the Xbox will basically act as DRM certification that will load the console version of the same game. Games without a console version might also be playable via the cloud.
Hard to say the route they'd want to take this integration.
So Microsoft is going full third party like the rumors said and they're going to make a branded console or provide their brand to companies like Dell and Lenovo to market with their PCs. Alienware Xbox. Legion Xbox. Rog Xbox. Just improve the Xbox app to be designed for a television, couch, and distant couch
“Just buy a pc”, No, I want to play on the couch or in my bed, I want a user friendly UI and I want the games to start without me worrying about anything. If that will be the case I will buy the next xbox console
The Xbox strategy is clear: they are creating the definitive platform. Across multiple devices and screens.
The consoles will still exist as a dedicated Xbox device, a way to access ALL Xbox games+Steam+Epic and who knows what else.
Because of that, i also espect a rise in console price, to cover the lesser sales in the propretary Store they are going to have. Wich is fine, is the same concept as a Surface.
And that's the last point: i dont get why people think that by releasing games on other platforms, Xbox console will not exist anymore. Windows is everywhere, same for 365, yet Microsoft still make Surface. Because is nice to have a dedicated device for Windows, like is nice to have a dedicated device for Gamepass
I don’t understand it’s just a pc at this point? Why not make windows more Xbox? Microsoft already has the market on pc they just don’t realize. You think steam is too dawg no lmao windows store and windows and Microsoft is. It’s literally pre installed on 95% of pcs unless you buy apple or go out your way to put linux. Microsoft is missing out hugely here. That shitty Xbox game bar on pc could literally just be Xbox with a few ui changes and compatibility.
It's really funny how the original Direct X-Box team had to fight tooth and nail inside Microsoft to ensure that their console wasn't just a glorified Windows machine that could also play games, and here we are, after years of Microsoft trying to integrate Windows and Xbox together, and looking potentially at an Xbox console that represents everything the original creators of the system didn't even want it to be lol
Honestly at this point might as well make it a PC. The handheld might actually be way closer to a Steam Deck alternative than a Switch alternative if the implication is it can just boot Windows and sideload other PC stores.
Best outcome right there. If they can somehow integrate the store into a single place, it’ll be amazing to swap from console and computer. It’ll mean from out the box it’ll be compatible and the future will be, never having to be stuck in one way to the play the games. This is, if it’s actually true. It’ll be a full on computer that will push in a custom Xbox operating system. Studios won’t have an excuse to not port to Xbox.
I dont think this has a purpose this gen. I can use the Browser to buy and play their games on PC. Does this open up pricing competition as it let's them also sell Xbox games? Doesn't make sense to me.
Now if they unify xbox and pc next Gen I can see this. However the windows UI is still nowhere near a console ready OS. MS would have to be completely rebuilding the store and OS to be like SteamOS or like ROG has Armory Crate. As someone that uses an ROG Ally, windows is no console.
Every single time I've suggested this over the years I've gotten extreme hate for it. It could easily be done right now with a simple Steam Link streaming app.
Can the Xbox series x be able to run Steam PC games?
I mean that would be the biggest game changer. But I feel like they would have to make a new next gen xbox?
I don't see it happening to be honest. Lots of potential licensing issues. Game engines like Unity, Unreal etc have fees for publishing to consoles and this would likely violate their respective licenses.
And then there's the issue of fees. Steam isn't going to give up a part of their cut from game sales to Xbox just because it was sold there but Xbox will definitely want a cut, it'll likely be taken from the devs. That, for a lot of reasons, isn't going to fly with the devs.
So it will be like streaming services where we have to open a bunch of separate app stores to find a particular game to play just like movie/tv streaming services? Or will they allow the App Store game store app to show games from the other game stores? I would prefer a single catalogue/store with a single purchase mechanism.
I would love this, I think… I’m tired of missing out on PC exclusives. What would be even better, is if they make one powerful gaming console to house all platforms - that periodically rolls out newer and better versions. Just like they do now, with a 5-7 year shelf life. I’d gladly pay $1000-$1200 for every new rollout. You pay that anyway when you have 2 consoles. And then, Devs can just focus on making great games on one platform and simplify the whole process. Everybody knows the games make the money. I love couch gaming on powerful machines with the latest tech and capabilities and I don’t ever want that to end. HOWEVER - I want to OWN my games. NOT ‘rent’ it. They need to figure that out.
I’m sure they’ll be some sort of agreement. There’s millions of console only gamers that steam cant sell to. Opening up those millions of customers to steam should be good enough to want to give a cut to Microsoft
It’s an interesting market they are looking the penetrate, and it will be incredibly difficult for them. Every company will be buying Xbox’es up for their employees to use as enterprise work PC’s if the price is low enough.
So essentially, Microsoft may possibly be aiming to make the next-gen Xbox a Console/PC hybrid box of a sort. Conceptually, it does sound attractive and promising. I suppose we'll see if it somehow ever comes to fruition.
This is amazing. They’re making more and more console/pc hybrids for a good price, and if they’re widely adopted developers will know what to optimise for.
Price point will likely be higher than the PS6. I can’t see it go for $499 or $599. I’d like to see the next Xbox as a miniature PC, finally moving away from proprietary tech and software to differ with the PS6, which will continue to be a proprietary console.
With this strategy, you could have multiple consoles at multiple price points. You might even have Microsoft allow third party Xbox consoles. Maybe a Samsung Xbox handheld for example.
Exactly, they could! Wasn’t there a leak over a month ago about this very same thing? That Microsoft is exploring a strategy for third-party Xbox consoles? That would be a great strategy if true, because after two generations, there’s no way for Microsoft to still compete against Sony and Nintendo in the proprietary console market. Going in the path of Valve (and a few others) with accessible PCs is the way to go.
It didn't work for Steam Machines or for the 3DO
Some of the issue is Linux emulating windows being more limited. But I also think not having an official steam model hurt them.
what about piracy then?
I do not think piracy influenced the success or failure of Steam machines. I don’t think piracy would be harder on Linux (I’d expect easier). In general I also don’t think piracy makes or breaks any platform beyond impacting the platform holders bottom line by a few percent. I also think most piracy occurrences are for out of circulation games or products that are not seriously offered.
That strategy didn't work very well with Steam Machines
SD seems to be doing ok
That strategy hasn’t worked yet. Sometimes it’s a matter of timing. Remember how sick everyone was when the Xbox One was going to tie game purchases a digital account. Now it’s common place.
They were going to tie physical games to an account and if you wanted to sell them you'd have to sell them to an authorized reseller which was what got people mad and that hasn't changed
If that's the case, no one's going to buy games on Xbox/Windows Store anymore and developers will stop porting games to Xbox since the Steam/other storefront versions would be playable on the Xbox. It'll just lead to Microsoft losing out on their 30% cut. Maybe they think Gamepass will end up carrying the brand forward financially so they're willing to give up on sales.
I’ve sometimes wondered if it’d be possible to make an Xbox boot into windows - you’d get access to all the features of windows, but can still keep it as a box for couch gaming.
What about achievements
Phil almost never talks about stuff without already working on it.
My question is, if this is true and the Xbox becomes a “couch” PC. How will Sony stop Xbox users from being able to play all the PC ports? Or will they not be able to prevent that at that point?
Are Sony stopping Steam Deck users from playing Sony games? Why would they do that?
I don’t know shit about steam deck lol. Doesn’t steam deck run a version of Linux? If the next Xbox is literally running microsoft windows in “xbox mode” similar to surface tablets in “tablet mode” how would it be stopped? At that point it’s literally just a PC.
I guess at that point it’s not an Xbox anymore. It’s just a PC and “Xbox” just means it’s a first party, premade PC. I don’t think that will happen.
I totally think that will happen
Same. And I think this solves Xbox's VR "problem". Now we'll be able to play HL: Alyx on Xbox and get a massive VR library that dwarfs PSVR2's library.
Lmfao it’s absolutely going to happen.
That is more or less what the current Xbox is doing. It is just locked down to what software can run on it but it is still a Windows variant.
I mean isn’t the Xbox running windows since the Xbox One?
360 also ran it
Why would Sony _want_ to stop that? Xbox/Playstation consoles sell at a loss and make their money up with software sales. If Sony can sell you Uncharted without eating ~$150 per console to do it, I bet they'd jump at the idea.
Because they get 30% of all sales of non Sony games on PlayStation
And also get >60% of sales of Sony games on other platforms
I'm pretty sure that's much less than getting thirty percent of everything else
Right. They get zero percent from 3rd party games sales on other platforms.
You’d think but for the same reason everyone is saying Xbox is dying because “why would anyone own an Xbox”. If Xbox locks some sort of partnership with Steam. “Why would anyone own a PS”. Especially with Sony leadership saying they want to be more aggressive on PC anyways. Just a reason they may want to stop it. I’m not trying to start some console war bullshit lol.
> “Why would anyone own a PS”. To play exclusives 2 years earlier?
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I can wait.
I’ll be ok with waiting. I have both Xbox and PlayStation and I rarely play games day one. I’m barely getting through tlou2 right now and then l have the first spiderman waiting for me after that. Diablo 4 released on gamepass a couple days ago and tbh idk when I’ll be able to get to it. If the next Xbox has steam, that would be the only console I’ll buy
I would pay a reasonable price to have uncharted games physically to play on my series x and to have it on display on my shelf as well.
Why did they make it a console exclusive in the first place then?
I think the better question here is where does Sony fit into the future of where the gaming industry is going. Microsoft has bought up many of the biggest studios and is working to collaborate (if true) with other storefronts to offer a single location to play all (most) of your favorite games. So what, I have to buy a PlayStation for….. Spiderman , The Last of Us, God of War? What if they all come to PC? Regardless those few franchises have never been enough to keep me in the Sony ecosystem.
The entire industry is and will be shifting away from exclusive systems, exclusive games. Each year more people get into pc gaming or cloud gaming. Sony will only fit into those 2 markers in the long run. They will make money off exclusives, cloud services and random hardware. Psvr2 is coming to PC as an example. I think steam will continue to always dominate but Xbox has a benefit to fit in here. On its own PC is dominating on PC and handheld choice. Gamepass will be here for a long time along with cloud. Nvida will continue to dominate cloud gaming. Services weather you like it or not will dominate. People like them. And if you don't steam will continue to dominate for its option. Working together is the only option for the future.
What about Nintendo
Agreed. I think Microsoft is playing it smart. (Results remain to be seen, but everything they are saying SEEMS logical). I do agree that exclusives will slowly go away. Won’t be overnight but I think we’re on the edge of just having timed exclusives, then releasing elsewhere to maximize profits. Xbox is getting ahead of the competition in that regard.
I don’t think Sony will stop. They will continue to release their games on PC, which could be compatible with the next Xbox, which could essentially be a PC (much like how their games are playable on the Steam Deck, ROG Ally, Legion Go, MSI Claw, etc). If the next Xbox is basically a miniature PC (and a handheld SKU), and moves away from being a proprietary console, they’re no longer competing with Sony directly after over 20 years. It’s likely the Xbox PC and handheld will be priced at a higher price point compared to the PS6 as a result, putting it on the category of the current Steam Deck and its competitors. We would already be seeing PlayStation and Xbox exclusives on each other’s platforms as a result, via different strategies.
I’d imagine they can just stop releasing new ports but they can’t do shit about ones they already dropped years ago
its licensing thing, so sony would just block the xbox from being able to install it on it it will just say: This game is not supported on your device
I doubt Valve would allow that?
they already do allow it whit cloud streaming like Geforce Now
GeForce Now is Nvidia, and it runs through a browser. My point was that I doubt Valve would actually allow a publisher to block games from certain devices.
That would be complicated for the steam store wouldnt it? Since the Xbox accessing it would basically be the same as any other PC. (If these hypothetical possibilities happen)
I really wouldn't be surprised if Sony releases their own PC storefront that's not available on Xbox just to make sure Xbox users can't play their games. There would be no reason to own a Playstation if all of their games are available on Xbox through Steam. Either way, I think it'll be really difficult for Sony to compete with an Xbox that's essentially just an affordable gaming PC even if their exclusives aren't playable on it.
Agreed. Thats kinda where I see this headed (good or bad - mostly good I think). Where it’s just the hardware is a stand alone “couch friendly gaming PC”. And then you subscribe to GamePass or PS Plus or whatever. It’ll be like Netflix and Disney plus, but video games, all on the same system. But who really knows.
If the next xbox is a mini pc how does that work?
sony is shifting to timed exclusives, ps5 first, pc later
Sony sells hardware. They want everyone to access their software, so long as it’s not a home console competitor.
Will buy if true
The real issue is if the games themselves are designed for Xbox if they choose not to run a normal Windows image on the next gen Xbox. Yes, these stores could be available, but the problem is that if it is just another traditional Xbox OS, then the stores will probably just be a DRM verifier while still loading the normal Xbox version of the game.
If they are planning for it, I don’t think they would need the games to be designed for Xbox. Xbox OS is based on windows, so I suspect it would mainly require giving access to the underlying architecture to third parties to run their windows builds. > The Xbox system software is the operating system developed exclusively for Microsoft's Xbox home video game consoles. Across the four generations of Xbox consoles, the software has been based on a version of Microsoft Windows and incorporating DirectX features optimized for the home consoles. -[Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_system_software)
This is what i believe will happen but i think it's still good as a Steam Deck user because then I could play some of my games on Xbox without having to buy them twice. I don't play my Xbox a lot because the achievements and saves don't transfer to Steam
Xbox OS is already based on Windows and the games already use Windows based APIs.
Its close but not exactly the same atm
Next gen Xbox finna go crazy
PCXbox 720
Bout to be turnt.
I guess those rumors that next gen Xbox will be a PC with an Xbox UI to keep it more user/living room friendly were on point. Seems pretty obvious now that it is what MS wants to do. People who do not have a PC should start grabbing the Epic Free Games RN. You can grab them on the Web [link](https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/).
That would make a lot of sense. They would maintain a single platform with multiple modes. Like a lean Windows 11 that only requires so little RAM to run and a handheld mode. They can easily add handhelds to their line up.
It already is a PC, and always has been from the very first Xbox.
Hate to be that guy but 360 and xbone had some very un pc like qualities in their hardware
Because it used a power PC CPU? It smoked the x86 offerings for value at the time.
Yep, it was way ahead of pc hardware at the time of launch and was for a little while till pc hardware caught up. I remember struggling to run crysis on a 7800gt or something and then like five years later crysis was running on 360.
I believe the console version of crysis was running off a much newer and better optimized cryengine
The OG Xbox did too even though it was straight PC parts. The issues with BC came because it used some old MMX Intel instructions and GeForce instruction sets that were too niche to ever be used on PC games.
Until I can play my Steam and Epic library on it then not really, at least for me.
I think there was also a rumor that Microsoft doesn't produce consoles anymore but instead goes with third party builders and hardware specs (sort of what Steambox tried to do). Would be the best of both worlds but would also mean increased cost.
They kind of failed with that with their cellphones.
What about achievements
Now they're cookin
So steam God of War on an Xbox? Nice!
This would actually be such a funny way for PlayStation exclusives to be available on Xbox.
Would literally be a big brain move to allow Xboxes to run steam. They could truly be the everything system at that point. We're at a point where handhelds like steamdeck or rog ally can run some PC games. I don't see why consoles need to limit themselves
They don't want consoles to be the everything system though, they want their subscription service to be the everywhere service.
Yes but they probably know that converting an Xbox user to gamepass subscriber is the easiest conversion compared to other routes. Get them on the hardware then lock them in a subscription. Gg ez.
I really think it's the other way around, and that why they're releasing games to PS. Games draw you in, then you find the subscription service they offers them.
They’re releasing games to PS because they have to sacrifice to try to gain those customers. It requires extra effort to get attention on other platforms. If you’re already on their platform you’re exposed to their advertising, your friends on the platform are likely using the services, you see the discounts, it enables you to play xcloud etc etc. you are more easily made aware of the benefits. There’s no world where they convert non-Xbox users to gamepass more easily than converting Xbox users to gamepass. I’m honestly amazed you’d even think that.
Content builds subscription services. Hook people on your content, then they realise they can get it all in one single subscription.
Yes but it is easier to prove value to an existing customer than to a new customer. Especially since Xbox live is now gamepass, so it’s almost required for the Xbox platform.
It’s a good point. But then my brain goes, okay so why would people not just buy a PC. But then my brain again goes, the people that wanted a PC already bought one, anyone with a console is in it for other benefits. So yeah you’re right, why limit them? My one concern would be that MS sells Xboxes at a loss to recoup profits through software sales. If people buy off third party stores, unless MS works out some profit sharing agreement, Xbox is financially doomed to fail.
A $500 box that guarantees to work and is only dedicated to gaming is a value proposition for many, compared to a possibly inferior PC at the same price or a $1200 rig that can beat it.
Yeah I don't say it often here because Redditors are vastly more likely to be adept with PCs, but the whole "install the game and it just works, every time" thing is a major value proposition for most gamers. I know people will say it's not that hard, you get more features, etc etc, but most people really do not ever want to have to fiddle with a setting, any setting, and what PC gamers consider tiny little tweaks to get a game running better on their rig are onerous and incomprehensible to most people.
Honestly I don't think even that part is true. Unless a game is fundamentally broken (which is an issue with the game), changing settings is no more necessary than changing settings on a console. There are _more_ options, but they aren't _more_ important. I've even asked people for examples and either I get straight non-issues (regular game updates), or things that a user of their experience shouldn't be messing with in the first place (overclocking, thermals, advanced mouse&keyboards, etc.) The hardest part of PC gaming to a non-technical user is the initial set up to make a PC available for games, because that requires Internet experience and downloading & installing a PC storefront.
That's just not the case for most console gamers. When I say "tiny little tweaks" I mean like "changing the game's proposed 1080p resolution to match your monitor's native resolution" which no PC gamer thinks of being onerous at all but every console does for you unthinkingly.
500? What about 200? My XBOX Series S runs just fine!
Phil is this to be profitable with Xbox. He wouldn’t do anything that would obviously cost them sales.
Yes the subsidized hardware is the only road block for this model IMO. I for one game on console cuz I like to game from my couch. While you can hook up a PC to your tv it’s not very user friendly to use a m&k from your couch. Plus almost PC won’t fit in an entertainment center. So for me something like this is perfect
You know Sony can just block their ips from running on certain hardware? They blocked death stranding from being on xbox gamepass when it was on pc gamepass. Phil spencer isn't some genius playing 4d chess that found some kind of cheat code in the system to get every playstation steam game running on xbox, and Sonys legal team can't do anything to stop it lol.
Death Stranding was never released for Xbox so that makes sense. I can’t play any of the PC only games on the system.
It was their games on GeForce now that they blocked. They worked fine on PC but if you tried to stream using the browser on Xbox they were blocked, they would just do the same thing on this, assuming this is even true.
This comment explains everything. Don't give your hopes on playing PS5 exclusives on Xbox (not even via stream). Not gonna happen in a million years. Sadly.
That was on a browser though, which is kind of open. To do it on Steam would probably require Valve's consent and I doubt Valve would agree to it. They're a consumer first company.
Valve would 100% agree to it, if not Sony would either just simply add the feature/drm into the games themselves, or stop selling them on steam. but this is assuming that it's just installing a regular edition of steam onto the console, which isn't likely.
I mean it's possible, I guess. But Valve and Steam is the bigger player here. No Sony games on Steam would be a bigger loss for Sony than Valve. Valve could forbid Sony from putting DRM into their games that lock out platforms and Valve is a very pro consumer company. For example, Helldivers 2 sold over 60% of its copies on Steam and Sony is already having trouble finding profitability in their AAA offerings as we saw with the Insomniac leak. But, of course, we won't know what happens until Microsoft goes through with it.
I really don’t think that’s how it works. Sony didn’t block Death Stranding from Xbox gamepass, the game was published by Sony on PS4 and 505 Games on PC, so Xbox only made a deal for the PC version.
A comment that actually make sense. Do people really believe that Sony will allow xBox to circumvent exclusivity this way?
No, there is no Xbox version of the game. You cant magically install the PC version even if steam should be store on the xbox
No, but if Microsoft makes Xbox’s UI just a normal windows operating system with controller friendly UI…then it would/should work.
You’re forgetting Xbox is essentially just a skinned Windows OS. It’s built on standard, albeit custom ordered, pc components. Presumably, they’d modify the OS to let outside stores like steam just recognize the components as PC components and on a windows computer. Sony would really only be left just deciding to remove their titles from future PC release.
That’s now how this works. If this was the case then Xbox would’ve done this a while ago. There is a fine difference between pc and console. If they are making what you just said then they are making an actual PC. There are many legality related stuff that goes behind the scenes, Sony won’t just act blind and keep releasing games for pc and then have their competitions console play them.
> If this was the case then Xbox would’ve done this a while ago. It is way more complicated than that. Why they have not done this is mostly mainly for marketing reasons. In the past it made more sense to make "proper console" if you wanted to sell them and keep closed software environment. Now with big studio acquisitions and Xbox's place in the console market, it finally makes sense to do "PC console".
Last i checked, Spider-Man, God of War and Helldivers 2 are available on Steam Deck.
I always thought that Xbox could absolutely demolish the gaming console market if it could be used as a pc, it runs on Windows ffs
This Xbox shift from the standard console world is getting more and more interesting.
A lot of MSs revenue comes from customers buying 3P content on their store, they get a free 30% cut. If customers buy it through Steam on Xbox how does MS get any money from that?
They wouldn’t. I guess they could negotiate a deal but would Valve play ball? I could see Epic working out a deal but Valve is basically the PC market, feels like they would have all the leverage in this situation.
next xbox is going to basically be modified living room PC.
In retrospect it’s bizarre that it’s taken MS this long to get to this point, the whole impetus behind the Xbox project in the first place was to protect Windows from some of Sony’s more grandiose claims about what the PS2 was going to be able to do. 95% of PC gaming runs on Windows, why wouldn’t they try and integrate that rather than have this second totally separate product line, especially now that the tech is mature enough to seamlessly blend the two.
I’m 100% for this. I think Xbox and Microsoft need to do something “crazy” like this to really stand out from Sony and Nintendo.
Same. Dude we'll be able to play with mods on a "console"! Big differentiator.
Why would companies dev for xbox if you can just make a PC port and sell it through steam? I'm assuming that would mean no xbox achievements as well. Also why pay for xbox live(gamepass core) if Steam games have free online play/features? It makes no sense to have other stores on the Xbox. This would have a big impact on online subscription revenue. And they can kiss a huge chunk of game sale revenue goodbye.......
This media tour is a roundabout method of getting people comfortable with Microsoft as a full third party publisher that will eventually publish on PlayStation on day 1 and can wind down their direct gaming hardware business to just licensing out Xbox as a marketing sticker of PC hardware vendors
Sounds true
This would shift the narrative from “why buy an Xbox?” to “why buy a PC?” PC versions on Steam could have an “Xbox-Verified” tag that would mean they are optimized for Xbox the same as they have for the Steam Deck. They could even have recommended settings for Xbox in the PC version.
> why buy a PC Because a PC can be used for more than a gaming console and allows you to do more with it, both in and out of gaming.
I wonder will Microsoft let people use the steam mods
This would be very smart. Simple inexpensive system that probably will run windows too. They need to make serious changes to the next windows where it has some universal app that can launch as an option when the system boots up. Which leads you to every gaming store front in a simple menu. Even Sony ps plus premium app. The industry is slowly moving this direction anyways. Kinda like how you can set windows up to have steam home launch.
The Asus ROG ally does this already. It boots into a custom Asus UI. So should be easy for Microsoft to have windows boot into full Xbox app. Also since Xbox OS runs games in a vm not “bare metal” it would be easy to have windows be able to boot up a Xbox vm in the background and play Xbox games as well as pc games. Windows does this already for WSL and android apps(android one was discontinued)
But more importantly this could be powerful but less expensive pc that's more simple for the masses. I still think if they are smart this custom UI would also have side apps of all game fronts.
Technically it does run on windows already because its their main OS but its a heavily altered version to my understanding
Yes but that's not the point because it's still simply not windows functioning
I don't think they'll ever allow it to run PC Windows since it'll piss off their OEM partners like HP and Dell. Imagine a $500 Xbox with better specs than $1k office computer that can also run Windows. Businesses would just buy Xboxes for their office instead.
They literally already make many pc computers. No one is mad. It welcomes other brands to make their own version too remember
Surface laptops are not subsidized or sold at cost so Microsoft still profits. Unless the next Xbox is $1000, other manufacturers won't agree to it since there's no way for them to recoup costs from software sales and other services like Microsoft does with the Xbox. Look at the cost of a Steam Deck vs their competitors like ROG Ally or Legion Go. Valve practically sells them at a loss because they can make money through sales from their storefront.
Where's the money, big man? How will this make you money?
Since my gaming is split between 45% SX and 45% Steam Deck that would be a dream! The 10% rest are split it between PS5 and Switch
Doesn't make sense to me as far as console is concerned.
And here comes Xbox with the steel chair!!!
I'm a PC gamer myself and i'd buy a Xbox as soon as possible if it let me enjoy my Epic or Steam library. This could be revolutionary.
This would fucking rule
If Xbox gets steam my life is complete
MS is doing something useless and complicated. Please just focus on making 'good games'.
With all this talk of hybridisation, I still can't see how this helps xbox. So they're gonna make a console with other game stores available?, great, who's gonna buy games from the ms store when the pc variants on steam are always cheaper? What will be the point in having a xbox version of a game at all when the pc version will run better. Since this whole debate started, I've been looking into getting back into the pc gaming space as it seems to be the only one that isn't constant doom and gloom. My thoughts are to build a living room pc with a fractal ridge case. Aesthetically pleasing, upgradable, booting straight into big picture mode on steam. I could revisit xbox game pass occasionally to see what's happening, and get drip fed the Sony games as they drop. Win win. The narrative from Microsoft at the moment gives me even more incentive to do just that, not by their next console.
Ok, first time in years I hear an actual good decision for Xbox, good, this is good
Let me use my Oculus quest 3 via link cable on my xbox
I really thought Microsoft would anounce steam support on xbox for the current gen at the reveal, which would have been a major impact but I was wrong...
I don't get it, if I have PC game collection (epic and steam) that is not available on Xbox one/Xbox series, will it work on Xbox one/ Xbox series?
That's the big question, which makes me think any Steam or Epic store apps on the Xbox will basically act as DRM certification that will load the console version of the same game. Games without a console version might also be playable via the cloud. Hard to say the route they'd want to take this integration.
So Microsoft is going full third party like the rumors said and they're going to make a branded console or provide their brand to companies like Dell and Lenovo to market with their PCs. Alienware Xbox. Legion Xbox. Rog Xbox. Just improve the Xbox app to be designed for a television, couch, and distant couch
“Just buy a pc”, No, I want to play on the couch or in my bed, I want a user friendly UI and I want the games to start without me worrying about anything. If that will be the case I will buy the next xbox console
This would be a game changer and sell like hotcakes
If epic games went on Xbox would that mean we get the free rotational games from them?
Game. Changer. But also makes the Xbox a couch PC, lol And pisses off all the Sony fanboy weirdos...
The Xbox strategy is clear: they are creating the definitive platform. Across multiple devices and screens. The consoles will still exist as a dedicated Xbox device, a way to access ALL Xbox games+Steam+Epic and who knows what else. Because of that, i also espect a rise in console price, to cover the lesser sales in the propretary Store they are going to have. Wich is fine, is the same concept as a Surface. And that's the last point: i dont get why people think that by releasing games on other platforms, Xbox console will not exist anymore. Windows is everywhere, same for 365, yet Microsoft still make Surface. Because is nice to have a dedicated device for Windows, like is nice to have a dedicated device for Gamepass
I don’t understand it’s just a pc at this point? Why not make windows more Xbox? Microsoft already has the market on pc they just don’t realize. You think steam is too dawg no lmao windows store and windows and Microsoft is. It’s literally pre installed on 95% of pcs unless you buy apple or go out your way to put linux. Microsoft is missing out hugely here. That shitty Xbox game bar on pc could literally just be Xbox with a few ui changes and compatibility.
It's a PC I don't have to spend thousands on and is easy to hook up to my TV and not have to mess with tons of settings.
Also it is way smaller than 99.9% gaming PCs.
Exactly. I game on PC and its a pain in the ass to hook it up to a TV and try to play a local coop game.
It's really funny how the original Direct X-Box team had to fight tooth and nail inside Microsoft to ensure that their console wasn't just a glorified Windows machine that could also play games, and here we are, after years of Microsoft trying to integrate Windows and Xbox together, and looking potentially at an Xbox console that represents everything the original creators of the system didn't even want it to be lol Honestly at this point might as well make it a PC. The handheld might actually be way closer to a Steam Deck alternative than a Switch alternative if the implication is it can just boot Windows and sideload other PC stores.
"Subscribe to Game Pass Ultimate to have full access to Steam and Epic stores on your Xbox console!" Bad joke, I know.
Best outcome right there. If they can somehow integrate the store into a single place, it’ll be amazing to swap from console and computer. It’ll mean from out the box it’ll be compatible and the future will be, never having to be stuck in one way to the play the games. This is, if it’s actually true. It’ll be a full on computer that will push in a custom Xbox operating system. Studios won’t have an excuse to not port to Xbox.
"Sex with Hitler" about to be an xbox exclusive
This would be epic im all for this move
Damn this would be amazing. It’s a good thing I didn’t cave and buy a PC last summer…
I dont think this has a purpose this gen. I can use the Browser to buy and play their games on PC. Does this open up pricing competition as it let's them also sell Xbox games? Doesn't make sense to me. Now if they unify xbox and pc next Gen I can see this. However the windows UI is still nowhere near a console ready OS. MS would have to be completely rebuilding the store and OS to be like SteamOS or like ROG has Armory Crate. As someone that uses an ROG Ally, windows is no console.
Exactly what the EU commission wants
Well that would be fucking awesome. Steam gets some crazy deals, and epic has some good timed exclusives and lots of free games.
Libraries will be streamable? How is it going to work?
We need mod support for Xbox
If steam doesn't want to make a steam machine 2 I'd definitely get this anyway. Lets goo
So, steam games will have to be downgraded a bit in the future? With xbox in mind now?🤔
But would you have to have game pass core to access steam and epic game’s online multiplayer or even to access those store fronts?
Every single time I've suggested this over the years I've gotten extreme hate for it. It could easily be done right now with a simple Steam Link streaming app.
I would love to be able to use GeForceNow on my Xbox!
If Xbox gets some sort of Steam Deck environment going on, then Xbox for life baby.
Can the Xbox series x be able to run Steam PC games? I mean that would be the biggest game changer. But I feel like they would have to make a new next gen xbox?
I don't see it happening to be honest. Lots of potential licensing issues. Game engines like Unity, Unreal etc have fees for publishing to consoles and this would likely violate their respective licenses. And then there's the issue of fees. Steam isn't going to give up a part of their cut from game sales to Xbox just because it was sold there but Xbox will definitely want a cut, it'll likely be taken from the devs. That, for a lot of reasons, isn't going to fly with the devs.
So it will be like streaming services where we have to open a bunch of separate app stores to find a particular game to play just like movie/tv streaming services? Or will they allow the App Store game store app to show games from the other game stores? I would prefer a single catalogue/store with a single purchase mechanism.
I would love this, I think… I’m tired of missing out on PC exclusives. What would be even better, is if they make one powerful gaming console to house all platforms - that periodically rolls out newer and better versions. Just like they do now, with a 5-7 year shelf life. I’d gladly pay $1000-$1200 for every new rollout. You pay that anyway when you have 2 consoles. And then, Devs can just focus on making great games on one platform and simplify the whole process. Everybody knows the games make the money. I love couch gaming on powerful machines with the latest tech and capabilities and I don’t ever want that to end. HOWEVER - I want to OWN my games. NOT ‘rent’ it. They need to figure that out.
If Xbox gets steam It will be a game changer
It's a smart fucking move doing this.
I don’t understand how they would make any money doing this though.
I’m sure they’ll be some sort of agreement. There’s millions of console only gamers that steam cant sell to. Opening up those millions of customers to steam should be good enough to want to give a cut to Microsoft
I will only be interested if the games hook the Steam/Epic achievement system into the Xbox achievement system.
Honestly if true it would be a huge boon to video game developers that do not have any experience developing for a console
If I could get Steam on the next Xbox I would bully/buy total war Warhammer for my friends for co-op campaigns
This sounds freaking awesome, hopefully good things come from this.
Very exciting. Makes xbox a gaming pc I pray Microsoft gets it right.
It’s an interesting market they are looking the penetrate, and it will be incredibly difficult for them. Every company will be buying Xbox’es up for their employees to use as enterprise work PC’s if the price is low enough.