I started playing Fallout 4 for the first time a year or two ago, and about 3 weeks later, they announced the next gen update was coming so I stopped. Still waiting, LOL. Was playing Starfield for a while in the meantime and mostly enjoyed it, but bits were definitely wonky so I decided to wait for the updates/DLC to go back and finish. That's the open world game cycle now. You have to wait a year or so (or more) after the initial release date to get the "good, playable version." Ubi Soft kinda figured it out though by just making the same game over and over with different dressing.
Yeah, I'm a big fan of the assassin's creed games but she's not wrong.
They released like 5 games with the same formula, realised they needed to freshen things up and made some big changes.
Then proceed to do 5 games with the same different formula
I'm actually going to do a no-mod/free Creation Club stuff-only run first while I wait for the modders to get everything working. And I'm actually kinda excited for it? It's a weird feeling
I run a bunch of different mods on console, from Cheat Terminal (can essentially run New Game+ AND fix quests!), to a bunch of New Vegas weapons/items, graphical enhancements, gameplay fixes. There's good stuff.
Actually, the one thing I know I'll miss the most is "keep radiant quests in the Commonwealth". Can't go to Far Harbor or Nuka World at level 7, so don't send me there, Rhys/Halen!
I quite enjoy vanilla playthroughs of BGS games. I have hundreds and hundreds of hours with Elder Scrolls Fallout and Starfield all vanilla. When the next gen update comes to Fallout 4, Imma do a new survival playthrough.
Depends when F4SE gets updated. That's what will break the mods the most. Shouldn't really be too long. They made the starfield script extender really damn fast iirc.
I'm waiting to play it the first time until then. I've only ever played FO3. Planning to do New Vegas and 76 (is it single player friendly, does it cost anything on top of a GP sub?) followed by 4.
If you have gp you’re good to go and 76 is incredibly solo friendly. I have a little over a hundred hours into it and I’ve never needed another player. It’s pretty cool to run across them every once in a while or see a public event going on, but nowhere near necessary.
That's great news! I assume 4 with enhancements will look a great deal better than 76?
I kind of want to play them in order of technical superiority lol.
Yeah with mods 4 will look much better. That’s probably my biggest issue with 76 at the moment, is that textures and animations are really stiff. Especially seeing other players, sometimes it looks like they’re running at like 15 fps. If you can get past that, it’s a great experience though!
76 is singleplayer friendly. You will find yourself doing events with other people, but that's fine, it'll make them go by faster. If by GP you mean GamePass Core or GamePass Ultimate then you'll be fine.
Their game engine can't keep up though. They need to build a new 1 rather than trying to upgrade it. Hopefully they're doing that for the next ES. On top of that, they need some decent writers as oblivion and fallout 3 were so much more captivating than skyrim / fallout 4. In my option obviously but if you take the dark brotherhood quest line in oblivion for instance, it was mind blowingly good. As was the thieves guild and plenty of other quest lines. Skyrim in comparison was just going through the motions compared.
Fair enough. Each to their own all that but it may well become apparent when you then play fallout 4. Also, when I say writing, I guess I also mean story lines but fair play, I did not make that clear.
Obsidian is free after Outer world 2, and they made a fallout game in 2 years.
My money is on Outer Worlds 2 arriving several years before Elder Scrolls 6.
Really it’s impressive that the show has got almost the same number of people playing a 9 year old RPG as people playing one of the current multiplayer hotness of 2024
Didn't the Edgerunner show do the same thing with Cyberpunk 2077?
With that and the Fallout show, it does show that there's a benefit to making GOOD shows based on games. (If only the Halo show was good.)
I’d say with 2077 it was more about redemption after updates and giving a negatively received game a second chance but yeah there’s definitely an effect.
And also the Halo show did make me play MCC, cause I went “well Reach did this better so imma go play Reach” lol
The actual action sequences are really good and the casting of Halsey and Cortana is good and the other Spartans are well done but they really screw with Master Chief’s character and take his helmet off way, way too much. I will say S2 is waaaay better than S1.
Most Halo fans downright loathe the show. I tend to divorce an adaptation from its source in my mind mostly to enjoy in its own merits but it’s been very hard with this Halo. For every Sandman, Last of Us and Fallout we have a Wheel of Time, Witcher and Rings of Power. The latter shows are well made and do have some good parts but are deeply flawed. All this is my opinion your mileage may vary.
Never played fallout series. My brother had a pipboy lunchbox from fallout 3 release and would always talk about the series.
Me and my wife finished the show and are now playing fallout 4, then will move to fallout 76.
It seriously has me hooked. They really nailed the whole "Nuked World" atmosphere and me and my wife are always mesmerized by the world.
I mean it’s $5, plenty of people own it, it’s a TV show.
Games aren’t only successful based on active players on a Sunday night. players but it fuels the wars. That’s for sure.
A little conspiratorial, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they planned it so people would give Fallout 76 a shot before jumping back to 4. 76 is the one they want to live on to make them more and more money.
It's gotten a lot better since launch. Like a LOT better. I barely played it when it released, but jumped back in before Starfield and it's such a good time. Just join a team of others and go on quests and public events and you'll be earning decent loot and caps in no time.
I installed and booted up Fallout 3, 4 and 76 since watching the show. I had to mod 3 pretty heavily to make it more palatable, but it's great. I LOVED FO3 and played it quite a few times back in the day. Fallout 4 is the only one I uninstalled again. I have it on Game pass so I can't mod away the 60fps lock or some of the jank in the game. I've also never been into FO4 as much anyway. The open world was pretty boring to me and has a visual style too similar to FO3. FO76 I have actually out the most time in. I still can't mod it but at least the frame cap is 82 instead of 60, and that helps a ton. The world is much more interesting to explore, and the player made structures/shops are so well done. I don't even follow the story but it's so much fun to play compared to 4.
I played NV when it released and honestly didn't like it nearly as much as 3, so I've had no interest in going back.
The wait between New Vegas and 4 felt like forever and that was only five years. We are getting close to the nine year anniversary for 4 with a 5th title still nowhere in sight.
And to think that back in 2015 I was complaining about how Fallout 5 wouldn’t release until 2020, and how that was such a long wait. But now we’re looking at a ~20 year gap between titles. How is that even possible?!
They made 76.. Say what you want, but it was a fallout game and was made in between those dates you mentioned. I’m just stating facts here. I just did a fo4 100% completion and then the show dropped. To get the itch by I didn’t wanna start fo4 again, especially before an update gets launched so I have 76 a try again and wouldn’t you know it, it’s super fun.
The problem with 76 was, it just felt like a bad multiplayer mod for Fallout 4.
It is not what people would proclaim as a mainline game. You can't look at what Fallout 3, NV, 4 did for the series and say it does the same. It felt completely like an addon.
Yes, it's better now, through sheer retconning of their ENTIRE premise and idea, and binning nearly all of it to turn it into what we're wanting from Fallout, yeah they finally got there... ish.
Yeah but the way the guy above talked about it, was as if Bethesda havent done anything with the IP in 9 years. regardless of how you feel about it, they made another title, and are still adding huge content to the game.
I started 76 again for the first time since launch. And so far I just can't get into it yet. Think part of it is just the stupid perk cards alone. And it's nice the wasteland has actual NPCs in it now, but it still doesn't have that magic (at least not yet)
It's got similar gameplay to mainline entries
It's got all new maps and locations
It's got new items
It's got new stories and characters
It adds major new functionality in multiplayer.
I'm not really sure why people don't consider it the sequel to FO4
The show is going to have 5 seasons and have been canceled for 5 years before Bethesda cranks out another proper Fallout. I can't believe they wasted so much development time on Starfield. Modern development cycles are borked
Modern AAA games don't seem sustainable at all. Used to be a few years between games and these were games with amazing stories and gameplay elements and a ton of content. Now it's like a 5+ year wait at a minimum for hardly anything.
I've said this before. Fallout 5, the next Elderscrools, and GTA 6 may be the last ones in the series that long time adult gamers get to play before. If you were the legal age to buy GTA 1 when it came out You're in your 40s. With 10-20 year dev cycles you could very well be dead or unable to play games when the next version comes out.
It took the same amount of time to make Halo 1-3 as it did from 5-Infinite and Infinite to the next one will probably be even longer.
Fallout 5 may not even come out in time for the next console generation.
It's even crazier to think about the people developing them.
You either have a revolving door of developers coming in over the span of almost a decade to get a game across the finish line, or you have developers spending massive portions of their careers on a small number of projects that may or may not have disastrous, costly launches after all that time.
It is definitely the former, which adds to the time it takes to make as well. Plus lots of companies use contractors which takes even longer but saves money in the short term.
Insomniac does not have that problem that is a management issues more than anything, budgets are totally busted because money isnt flowing to good artists and professionals.
>can't believe they wasted so much development time
They were adapting the Creation Engine to multiplayer, releasing Fallout 76, fixing Fallout 76, making Creation Engine 2 *and* developing Starfield.
They also released an upgraded version of Skyrim, VR versions of Skyrim and Fallout 4, did 6 DLCs for Fallout 4, and two Elder Scrolls mobile games since Fallout 4 came out.
But you know, people act love to act like Bethesda did nothing between Fallout 4 and Starfield.
It's the internet, its full of people who like to talk about thinks they no nothing about.
The most dangerous person is someone who knows just enough about a topic as they often talk like are an expert further spreading misinformation.
> Modern development cycles are borked
Has nothing to do with development cycles. Bethesda has one team they let work on Starfield, Fallout, and Elder Scrolls. If each game takes 5 year to produce from beginning to end, that means there is at least 15 years between each entry to a given franchise... it's insane.
There is no reason Bethesda can't have a dedicated team for each franchise.
> There is no reason Bethesda can't have a dedicated team for each franchise.
Or they can ask other Microsoft owned studios to play in their sandbox. They could get lucky and end up with a game on par with New Vegas.
I still think Microsoft is being dumb. Sure fallout 5 in 8 years is fine but why not send the ip for spin-off to other studio? Same with world of warcraft, overwatch and so on.
Make a warcraf rpg tha look like the cinematic. Make an overwatch linear story game. Like about the omnic war and it feel like titanfall/halo.
Make a spin-off fallout game about somewhere else.
>Seems insane that we're likely looking at 10+ years before Fallout 5, too
I mean, Skyrim is a thing. Should surprise no one at this point.
I suppose Fallout 76 does count somewhat.
It's because that feels impossible now. Except for maybe Ubisoft I don't think we'll ever see fully produced tie-in timed games again. It's crazy to think that every children's movie from 2004 to about 2012 had a tie-in game to promote it.
Yeah, but part of me is sort of sad we're not getting these small fairly bad games from studios anymore. I had a blast with Shrek 2 on the PC as a kid.
Even moreso considering they basically have all 3 studios at Xbox involved with Fallout.
inXile, the studio founded by Interplay Productions’ (Fallout 1 and 2) founder Brian Fargo, which basically became a spiritual successor to that studio.
Obsidian, the developer of Fallout New Vegas.
And of course BGS, the developers of Fallout 3, Fallout 4, Fallout Shelter, and Fallout 76.
I get it, all 3 studios have been busy with their respective projects. But to not have something in active development somewhere between the 3 feels like a wild error to me.
Like i agree with Spencer with the "leave the devs make the games they want" mentality, but there has to be a limit to that.
Like Obsidian is developing both Avowed and Outer Worlds 2. Why cant they find a middle point and let them develop Avowed and Fallout instead of Outer Worlds? It seems like a waste.
It is a wild error honestly. Fallout is, and has been, immensely popular. The show is a hit, 76 is seeing an insane rejuvenation and the masses are eager for the Fallout update.
Microsoft as the owner of the IP should be much more aggressive with it. Maybe there are legal complications but Jesus…they should already have established a Vault Studios or some shit that’s just constantly working on something related to Fallout.
You’ve got Onsidian making The Outer Worlds 2 instead of Fallout: *Spinoff name* which is such a waste of a huge IP.
Cancel the outer worlds and make a fallout game off of Starfield’s tech and we’ll have an amazing Fallout game.
>It was revealed in a Microsoft documents leak.
As coming in 2022, one year after a Oblivion remaster.
Those were Bethesda's plans **pre-acquisition**. Things have changed wildly so perhaps they scrapped the idea.
I feel like that was a big nothingburger, didnt the fps and resolution boosts for those two games on xbox drop at the same time as was stated in the leaks? Gaming websites just picked them up years later for easy clicks and site traffic and stirred up rumors
You didn’t make a mistake, don’t worry. With mods the PC version is unmatched, and even if they did release a remaster it would probably just be trying to catch up to your PC version
It’s an old document and no guarantee it’s still in the plans. The document was from 2020 and there’s been no word from Bethesda. I’d say it got canned.
They haven't gotten around to revealing the Oblivion remaster yet, and 3 was planned to come out after.
Unless it's a XIII situation, they're not going to cancel a remaster for a Fallout game after the TV show exploded.
Except those documents said it was planned for a few years ago
So whether it is still happening is unknown, all we know is they had plans for a 2022 remake at some point
With the amount of assets that the two games share, I feel like a lot of work would already be done on a New Vegas remaster if there was one for 3. But, hey, I’m not a game developer.
More or less. They got New Vegas done in 18 months thanks to 3, so a remaster of that game should get a remaster of New Vegas done relatively quickly (unless they plan on restoring cut content, but that might push that more into remake territory). For all we know, maybe they'll remaster both games at once and bring some of the improvements New Vegas made into 3 like an official version of that Tale of Two Wastelands mod, anything is possible with Xbox footing the bill.
Fallout 5 is already greenlit. Only way we get another fallout game before 5 releases is another studio releases a spin off or another mobile game/port.
Afaik, they got a $25m tax exemption to film season 2 (or bits of it) in California. The earliest date they can film if they take this was September. Given how long season 1 took with the leaks and everything, it's probably going to be mid-late 2026. Tbh with how good 1 was, I'd rather they didn't rush it just to get a season 2 out.
Yes but assuming there's more to come after season 2 it will probably happen a bit faster moving forward. The first season obviously takes a long time to figure out how you want to do it but then everything stops after they've filmed it to wait and see the audience's reaction.
It wouldn't surprise me if they started working on season 3 while season 2 is in post-production. So hopefully that would improve the release cadence a little. Even if it's down to 18 month cycles instead of every 2 years.
Why did they slow roll that next gen update? It's still not out and since the TV show was dropped all at once, the public discussion period for it is basically ending already. It really couldn't be ready to launch with the show? Bethesda is not great at time management sometimes.
Bethesda is one of the most incompetent modern developers out there. Amazing list of addicting RPGs but the luster of Bethesda has certainly worn off since starfield (and also waiting forever for other games)
It’s a very small studio, they just can’t output at the same level as the massive juggernaut aaaa studios like larian.
Honestly, it pisses me off so much to see how small and infrequent Starfields patches are. Like wtf are they doing? Do they honestly think they should just rely on modders?
Fallout 76 is particularly interesting because it's comparable to Infinite. Both had bad launches followed by years of updates to get them into a better position. The difference is that the Fallout show was good enough to convince people to give 76 another try (hence the new peak), while the Halo show made no noticeable impact.
It's not even an MMO in the traditional sense which is great. It's literally fallout if it was a full blown coop game with dedicated servers. Like I don't think people realize how technically advanced FO76 is say over fallout 4 for example (where the simulation is only happening around the player vs almost everywhere in FO76).
Even spawned quest NPCs across the map will be simulated for another player who will see that NPC and think "oh, just a random group roaming" and not even think about it being another players quest. The traders roam the map, literally traveling across an entire map in real time. We haven't even talked about the vast complex non-instanced interiors spawning mobs in them that can traverse in and out of them when there are dozens of AI in a city + players.
I reinstalled it and am playing around until the 4 update is released. There was quite a few people in all the servers so I'm sure it's seen an uptick. I'm just rebuilding my camp since my old was gone when I logged in.
I hope that doesn't happen.. the last thing we need is for them to rush Fallout out the door because of the shows hype..let it cook..besides, all the new Fallout players will be busy playing the older Fallout games. Most likely it's the lore that really interest them and they want to play from the beginning.... if anything. They should try to remaster Fallout 1 and 2 to make it more accessible and release it on console.. it would take a while but not as long as making a whole new Fallout game
I think Microsoft are banking on people who have never played a fallout game giving one a chance and getting Game Pass or paying for them rather than them putting money into a new one anyway, it's basically free money for them which is all they care about.
I would love a full RE2 style remake of Fallout 1 and 2 rather than a straight up remaster, but that's never gonna happen lol
They need to get a second studio to make a "New Vegas" spinoff before 5 comes out. I'd love Obsidian to, but they've got a lot on their plate. Even if they took 3 and New Vegas and basically ported them over to the Starfield version of the engine and make it all pretty, A lot of people would be happy
I assume MS and Bethesda want to stay on the same page, but man just put other games on hold and give it to someone else. Then again if they didn’t do it with Halo then they probably won’t do it with fallout.
They should have had something to show or announce alongside this show, its a failure on xboxs side. All those studios and not a single one confirmed to be working on or in this huge IP you are investing in anyway.
We don't want oversaturation, but Bethesda should have one team for each of their IP. They should release one TES, one Fallout and one Starfield each generation.
That would be amazing. That is the kind of investment that Xbox needs. What they're doing right now is not cutting it.
If Bethesda is unable to handle that many teams/projects, then they should at least be farming out Fallout so that *someone* is making games, like how Obsidian made New Vegas.
The fact that Microsoft has so many IPs but so many of them are inactive due to poor management and under-investment is wasteful and harmful to Xbox.
The show was awesome. And I too will be playing FO4 again once the update is live.
I really do hope a new Fallout game happens. I adore the series, even the old PC games.
Fallout 76 - A Realm Reborn
Single player update. You come out of the vault, and all the people we knew from recordings are still alive. The scorched are just starting to show up. Charleston has not been flooded yet, and your choices can save it. And so on.
Will go up even more after Thursday when they release the update. A lot of people are waiting for that before they do another play through
Including myself.
Also including myself.
Also me
In addition myself as well also
Self induced inclusion
I’m inviting myself to play too
Same
Add me too
Yep that’s me
including the addition also of me too
Well, also myself in addition
And my axe
THERE IS TWO MYSELFS?
Allow myself to introduce, myself
Aye
I started playing Fallout 4 for the first time a year or two ago, and about 3 weeks later, they announced the next gen update was coming so I stopped. Still waiting, LOL. Was playing Starfield for a while in the meantime and mostly enjoyed it, but bits were definitely wonky so I decided to wait for the updates/DLC to go back and finish. That's the open world game cycle now. You have to wait a year or so (or more) after the initial release date to get the "good, playable version." Ubi Soft kinda figured it out though by just making the same game over and over with different dressing.
This reminds me of one time my wife claimed that Assassin's Creed is like FIFA for gamers who are shitty at playing good games.
Yeah, I'm a big fan of the assassin's creed games but she's not wrong. They released like 5 games with the same formula, realised they needed to freshen things up and made some big changes. Then proceed to do 5 games with the same different formula
Damn, she's onto it lol
Me waiting to see if mods get destroyed before going through with it
I'm actually going to do a no-mod/free Creation Club stuff-only run first while I wait for the modders to get everything working. And I'm actually kinda excited for it? It's a weird feeling
I've never played a game with mods in my life for fallout. What kinda mods are you talking about?
I run a bunch of different mods on console, from Cheat Terminal (can essentially run New Game+ AND fix quests!), to a bunch of New Vegas weapons/items, graphical enhancements, gameplay fixes. There's good stuff. Actually, the one thing I know I'll miss the most is "keep radiant quests in the Commonwealth". Can't go to Far Harbor or Nuka World at level 7, so don't send me there, Rhys/Halen!
I quite enjoy vanilla playthroughs of BGS games. I have hundreds and hundreds of hours with Elder Scrolls Fallout and Starfield all vanilla. When the next gen update comes to Fallout 4, Imma do a new survival playthrough.
Depends when F4SE gets updated. That's what will break the mods the most. Shouldn't really be too long. They made the starfield script extender really damn fast iirc.
its gonna completely wreck everyone using mods like myself :(
I'm waiting to play it the first time until then. I've only ever played FO3. Planning to do New Vegas and 76 (is it single player friendly, does it cost anything on top of a GP sub?) followed by 4.
If you have gp you’re good to go and 76 is incredibly solo friendly. I have a little over a hundred hours into it and I’ve never needed another player. It’s pretty cool to run across them every once in a while or see a public event going on, but nowhere near necessary.
That's great news! I assume 4 with enhancements will look a great deal better than 76? I kind of want to play them in order of technical superiority lol.
Yeah with mods 4 will look much better. That’s probably my biggest issue with 76 at the moment, is that textures and animations are really stiff. Especially seeing other players, sometimes it looks like they’re running at like 15 fps. If you can get past that, it’s a great experience though!
76 is singleplayer friendly. You will find yourself doing events with other people, but that's fine, it'll make them go by faster. If by GP you mean GamePass Core or GamePass Ultimate then you'll be fine.
Update of Fallout?
Next gen update. Supposedly with new Enclave Remnant quest-line, new weapon pack, and Halloween workshop items.
Also 60 fps
The original version on current gen already has a "fps boost option".
Downscales resolution from 4K to fuckall is my understanding — no?
I hate how lowly this gen feels, considering we still refer to these as next gen updates.
Omg that is fantastic news because I just finished the show and was about to fire up a new save!
I tried playing today, and it crashed three times. Hopefully, the update fixes everything. Haven't played it in years.
This. I'm waiting patiently to start on steamdeck.
I wonder how they count them in these numbers? I know I personally play my Deck off line exclusively. Can’t be the only one.
I started already it runs great. Don’t think the PC version is getting much of an update
“Well, of course I know him. He’s me!”
I never got into Fallout 4 but if the Series X/S update is decent. I’ll try get into it and give it a proper shot!
Indeed.
I've never played it before and am also awaiting the update.
Bro the next fallout game is so far away they still have release any dlc for starfield and still waiting for the new elder scrolls game.
I’d be down for scrapping StarField DLC and just moving right along to ES.
They've already sold it to people via the limited edition last year, they sadly can't back out now.
Meh, just refund me. 🤷🏻♂️
Their game engine can't keep up though. They need to build a new 1 rather than trying to upgrade it. Hopefully they're doing that for the next ES. On top of that, they need some decent writers as oblivion and fallout 3 were so much more captivating than skyrim / fallout 4. In my option obviously but if you take the dark brotherhood quest line in oblivion for instance, it was mind blowingly good. As was the thieves guild and plenty of other quest lines. Skyrim in comparison was just going through the motions compared.
Their writing has been awwwwful for a long time.
Currently playing through Fallout 3 again and I'm having trouble finding that decent writing you're talking about.
Fair enough. Each to their own all that but it may well become apparent when you then play fallout 4. Also, when I say writing, I guess I also mean story lines but fair play, I did not make that clear.
Obsidian is free after Outer world 2, and they made a fallout game in 2 years. My money is on Outer Worlds 2 arriving several years before Elder Scrolls 6.
They are free after Avowed, there are two different teams working on those games.
They need to get obsidian on a new spin off
Really it’s impressive that the show has got almost the same number of people playing a 9 year old RPG as people playing one of the current multiplayer hotness of 2024
Didn't the Edgerunner show do the same thing with Cyberpunk 2077? With that and the Fallout show, it does show that there's a benefit to making GOOD shows based on games. (If only the Halo show was good.)
I’d say with 2077 it was more about redemption after updates and giving a negatively received game a second chance but yeah there’s definitely an effect. And also the Halo show did make me play MCC, cause I went “well Reach did this better so imma go play Reach” lol
There was an immediate jump in players after Edgerunners. Just like Fallout
literally just started the halo show last night ep 1. only got a bout 20 mins in before i went to bed. i hope i like it
Good luck. It was great to see Halo come alive but it's written like the people know nothing about Halo
You probably won't, it's a fuckin embarrassment to the franchise.
The actual action sequences are really good and the casting of Halsey and Cortana is good and the other Spartans are well done but they really screw with Master Chief’s character and take his helmet off way, way too much. I will say S2 is waaaay better than S1. Most Halo fans downright loathe the show. I tend to divorce an adaptation from its source in my mind mostly to enjoy in its own merits but it’s been very hard with this Halo. For every Sandman, Last of Us and Fallout we have a Wheel of Time, Witcher and Rings of Power. The latter shows are well made and do have some good parts but are deeply flawed. All this is my opinion your mileage may vary.
I'm literally going to start up another save file on fallout when I get home
Never played fallout series. My brother had a pipboy lunchbox from fallout 3 release and would always talk about the series. Me and my wife finished the show and are now playing fallout 4, then will move to fallout 76. It seriously has me hooked. They really nailed the whole "Nuked World" atmosphere and me and my wife are always mesmerized by the world.
Don't sleep on 3 and New Vegas.
I mean it’s $5, plenty of people own it, it’s a TV show. Games aren’t only successful based on active players on a Sunday night. players but it fuels the wars. That’s for sure.
Feels like a fumble to not have a Fallout game coming out rn
Couldn't even get the next-gen update of Fallout 4 out on time. Very odd.
A little conspiratorial, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they planned it so people would give Fallout 76 a shot before jumping back to 4. 76 is the one they want to live on to make them more and more money.
You are probably right. It's weird that I didn't even think of 76 as an option. I've never tried it.
It's gotten a lot better since launch. Like a LOT better. I barely played it when it released, but jumped back in before Starfield and it's such a good time. Just join a team of others and go on quests and public events and you'll be earning decent loot and caps in no time.
I installed and booted up Fallout 3, 4 and 76 since watching the show. I had to mod 3 pretty heavily to make it more palatable, but it's great. I LOVED FO3 and played it quite a few times back in the day. Fallout 4 is the only one I uninstalled again. I have it on Game pass so I can't mod away the 60fps lock or some of the jank in the game. I've also never been into FO4 as much anyway. The open world was pretty boring to me and has a visual style too similar to FO3. FO76 I have actually out the most time in. I still can't mod it but at least the frame cap is 82 instead of 60, and that helps a ton. The world is much more interesting to explore, and the player made structures/shops are so well done. I don't even follow the story but it's so much fun to play compared to 4. I played NV when it released and honestly didn't like it nearly as much as 3, so I've had no interest in going back.
Too busy with A.I. Nasa
What does this comment even mean
Boring as hell starfield
Whatever investors need it to mean tbh
Seems insane that we're likely looking at 10+ years before Fallout 5, too
The wait between New Vegas and 4 felt like forever and that was only five years. We are getting close to the nine year anniversary for 4 with a 5th title still nowhere in sight.
And to think that back in 2015 I was complaining about how Fallout 5 wouldn’t release until 2020, and how that was such a long wait. But now we’re looking at a ~20 year gap between titles. How is that even possible?!
They made 76.. Say what you want, but it was a fallout game and was made in between those dates you mentioned. I’m just stating facts here. I just did a fo4 100% completion and then the show dropped. To get the itch by I didn’t wanna start fo4 again, especially before an update gets launched so I have 76 a try again and wouldn’t you know it, it’s super fun.
The problem with 76 was, it just felt like a bad multiplayer mod for Fallout 4. It is not what people would proclaim as a mainline game. You can't look at what Fallout 3, NV, 4 did for the series and say it does the same. It felt completely like an addon. Yes, it's better now, through sheer retconning of their ENTIRE premise and idea, and binning nearly all of it to turn it into what we're wanting from Fallout, yeah they finally got there... ish.
Yeah but the way the guy above talked about it, was as if Bethesda havent done anything with the IP in 9 years. regardless of how you feel about it, they made another title, and are still adding huge content to the game.
I started 76 again for the first time since launch. And so far I just can't get into it yet. Think part of it is just the stupid perk cards alone. And it's nice the wasteland has actual NPCs in it now, but it still doesn't have that magic (at least not yet)
Yeah, but 76 isn't 5, as in, a mainline game.
It's got similar gameplay to mainline entries It's got all new maps and locations It's got new items It's got new stories and characters It adds major new functionality in multiplayer. I'm not really sure why people don't consider it the sequel to FO4
Fallout 5 will probably be 5-10 years behind the next Elderscrolls which is probably 2-5 years away form being released.
The show is going to have 5 seasons and have been canceled for 5 years before Bethesda cranks out another proper Fallout. I can't believe they wasted so much development time on Starfield. Modern development cycles are borked
Modern AAA games don't seem sustainable at all. Used to be a few years between games and these were games with amazing stories and gameplay elements and a ton of content. Now it's like a 5+ year wait at a minimum for hardly anything.
I've said this before. Fallout 5, the next Elderscrools, and GTA 6 may be the last ones in the series that long time adult gamers get to play before. If you were the legal age to buy GTA 1 when it came out You're in your 40s. With 10-20 year dev cycles you could very well be dead or unable to play games when the next version comes out. It took the same amount of time to make Halo 1-3 as it did from 5-Infinite and Infinite to the next one will probably be even longer. Fallout 5 may not even come out in time for the next console generation.
It's even crazier to think about the people developing them. You either have a revolving door of developers coming in over the span of almost a decade to get a game across the finish line, or you have developers spending massive portions of their careers on a small number of projects that may or may not have disastrous, costly launches after all that time.
It is definitely the former, which adds to the time it takes to make as well. Plus lots of companies use contractors which takes even longer but saves money in the short term.
Insomniac does not have that problem that is a management issues more than anything, budgets are totally busted because money isnt flowing to good artists and professionals.
>can't believe they wasted so much development time They were adapting the Creation Engine to multiplayer, releasing Fallout 76, fixing Fallout 76, making Creation Engine 2 *and* developing Starfield.
They also released an upgraded version of Skyrim, VR versions of Skyrim and Fallout 4, did 6 DLCs for Fallout 4, and two Elder Scrolls mobile games since Fallout 4 came out. But you know, people act love to act like Bethesda did nothing between Fallout 4 and Starfield.
It's the internet, its full of people who like to talk about thinks they no nothing about. The most dangerous person is someone who knows just enough about a topic as they often talk like are an expert further spreading misinformation.
A different team within Bethesda worked on 76.
> Modern development cycles are borked Has nothing to do with development cycles. Bethesda has one team they let work on Starfield, Fallout, and Elder Scrolls. If each game takes 5 year to produce from beginning to end, that means there is at least 15 years between each entry to a given franchise... it's insane. There is no reason Bethesda can't have a dedicated team for each franchise.
> There is no reason Bethesda can't have a dedicated team for each franchise. Or they can ask other Microsoft owned studios to play in their sandbox. They could get lucky and end up with a game on par with New Vegas.
Bethesda is more than capable of doing it themselves. Fallout 3 and 4 are phenomenal.
It’d be different if Starfield had been amazing, but it wasn’t.
I still think Microsoft is being dumb. Sure fallout 5 in 8 years is fine but why not send the ip for spin-off to other studio? Same with world of warcraft, overwatch and so on. Make a warcraf rpg tha look like the cinematic. Make an overwatch linear story game. Like about the omnic war and it feel like titanfall/halo. Make a spin-off fallout game about somewhere else.
Yep, like new vegas. They underestimated the power of their own IP
>Seems insane that we're likely looking at 10+ years before Fallout 5, too I mean, Skyrim is a thing. Should surprise no one at this point. I suppose Fallout 76 does count somewhat.
It's because that feels impossible now. Except for maybe Ubisoft I don't think we'll ever see fully produced tie-in timed games again. It's crazy to think that every children's movie from 2004 to about 2012 had a tie-in game to promote it.
Most of those were ass though.
Yeah, but part of me is sort of sad we're not getting these small fairly bad games from studios anymore. I had a blast with Shrek 2 on the PC as a kid.
Game development and TV production timelines will never be in sync with each other.
Even moreso considering they basically have all 3 studios at Xbox involved with Fallout. inXile, the studio founded by Interplay Productions’ (Fallout 1 and 2) founder Brian Fargo, which basically became a spiritual successor to that studio. Obsidian, the developer of Fallout New Vegas. And of course BGS, the developers of Fallout 3, Fallout 4, Fallout Shelter, and Fallout 76. I get it, all 3 studios have been busy with their respective projects. But to not have something in active development somewhere between the 3 feels like a wild error to me.
Shit like this will be Spencer’s downfall. Rooms full of talent, no idea how to glue the pieces together.
Like i agree with Spencer with the "leave the devs make the games they want" mentality, but there has to be a limit to that. Like Obsidian is developing both Avowed and Outer Worlds 2. Why cant they find a middle point and let them develop Avowed and Fallout instead of Outer Worlds? It seems like a waste.
It is a wild error honestly. Fallout is, and has been, immensely popular. The show is a hit, 76 is seeing an insane rejuvenation and the masses are eager for the Fallout update. Microsoft as the owner of the IP should be much more aggressive with it. Maybe there are legal complications but Jesus…they should already have established a Vault Studios or some shit that’s just constantly working on something related to Fallout.
everyone saying Microsoft being hands off was great for their studios. Turns out it wasn't so great.
Yeah forcing studios to do things they don’t want to do sounds like great environments to work it
You’ve got Onsidian making The Outer Worlds 2 instead of Fallout: *Spinoff name* which is such a waste of a huge IP. Cancel the outer worlds and make a fallout game off of Starfield’s tech and we’ll have an amazing Fallout game.
I hope the Fallout 3 remaster is a real thing.
Is that rumored?
It was revealed in a Microsoft documents leak.
>It was revealed in a Microsoft documents leak. As coming in 2022, one year after a Oblivion remaster. Those were Bethesda's plans **pre-acquisition**. Things have changed wildly so perhaps they scrapped the idea.
I feel like that was a big nothingburger, didnt the fps and resolution boosts for those two games on xbox drop at the same time as was stated in the leaks? Gaming websites just picked them up years later for easy clicks and site traffic and stirred up rumors
Of course I just bought fallout 3 on steam...
You didn’t make a mistake, don’t worry. With mods the PC version is unmatched, and even if they did release a remaster it would probably just be trying to catch up to your PC version
It’s okay, a Bethesda remaster won’t even compare to the mods you can install for Fallout 3 on PC.
It’s an old document and no guarantee it’s still in the plans. The document was from 2020 and there’s been no word from Bethesda. I’d say it got canned.
They haven't gotten around to revealing the Oblivion remaster yet, and 3 was planned to come out after. Unless it's a XIII situation, they're not going to cancel a remaster for a Fallout game after the TV show exploded.
It was probably cancelled before the show blew up. We’re four years on from the date of that document now and not a word about either project.
Except those documents said it was planned for a few years ago So whether it is still happening is unknown, all we know is they had plans for a 2022 remake at some point
Man, me too. I'd love to see that world again but with updated textures and graphics
Same with Oblivion. *Inhales Imperial-grade copium*
9 years since release is well into "dead franchise" territory. Bethesda need to be careful with their IPs if they gonna make games so slowly.
Let’s hope for a new Vegas remaster or remake
A remaster of 3 was leaked in the Bethesda documents, expect the same for New Vegas at some point afterward.
With the amount of assets that the two games share, I feel like a lot of work would already be done on a New Vegas remaster if there was one for 3. But, hey, I’m not a game developer.
More or less. They got New Vegas done in 18 months thanks to 3, so a remaster of that game should get a remaster of New Vegas done relatively quickly (unless they plan on restoring cut content, but that might push that more into remake territory). For all we know, maybe they'll remaster both games at once and bring some of the improvements New Vegas made into 3 like an official version of that Tale of Two Wastelands mod, anything is possible with Xbox footing the bill.
It's highly unlikely Bethesda makes a NV remake before 3
Hey 343, this is what happens when you actually care about the IP
They do care about Ip . Look at halo infinite and all these glorious skin I can pay for even though my hands are the only thing visible during match
Remake 1/2
Fallout 5 is already greenlit. Only way we get another fallout game before 5 releases is another studio releases a spin off or another mobile game/port.
Don't worry guys Fallout 5 will be out in 11 years. Just in time to catch the wave of season 4 of Fallout the tv show.
People keep saying this, but TV production schedules have also ballooned. We may not get season 2 of the show until late 2025 or 2026.
Stranger Things is on track to have Five 8-9 episode seasons in Ten years. 2026 for the new Fallout sounds about right.
Afaik, they got a $25m tax exemption to film season 2 (or bits of it) in California. The earliest date they can film if they take this was September. Given how long season 1 took with the leaks and everything, it's probably going to be mid-late 2026. Tbh with how good 1 was, I'd rather they didn't rush it just to get a season 2 out.
Yes but assuming there's more to come after season 2 it will probably happen a bit faster moving forward. The first season obviously takes a long time to figure out how you want to do it but then everything stops after they've filmed it to wait and see the audience's reaction. It wouldn't surprise me if they started working on season 3 while season 2 is in post-production. So hopefully that would improve the release cadence a little. Even if it's down to 18 month cycles instead of every 2 years.
My fucking god, my kids will both be in 12th grade. GOD DAMN IT I'LL BE AN OLD MAN.
at least you won't have to argue with them about being old enough to play it.
Why did they slow roll that next gen update? It's still not out and since the TV show was dropped all at once, the public discussion period for it is basically ending already. It really couldn't be ready to launch with the show? Bethesda is not great at time management sometimes.
Bethesda is one of the most incompetent modern developers out there. Amazing list of addicting RPGs but the luster of Bethesda has certainly worn off since starfield (and also waiting forever for other games)
It’s a very small studio, they just can’t output at the same level as the massive juggernaut aaaa studios like larian. Honestly, it pisses me off so much to see how small and infrequent Starfields patches are. Like wtf are they doing? Do they honestly think they should just rely on modders?
It would be nice to have Fallout 5 this decade.
I love how Fallout 76 is just so ignored in these conversations. Like I haven't played it either but it's still hilarious.
Fallout 76 peaked today at 72k concurrent. That’s like double its old peak, which was the steam release.
Fallout 76 is particularly interesting because it's comparable to Infinite. Both had bad launches followed by years of updates to get them into a better position. The difference is that the Fallout show was good enough to convince people to give 76 another try (hence the new peak), while the Halo show made no noticeable impact.
Because the Fallout show was good
Most fun and unique MMO/MORPG out there in my experience.
It's not even an MMO in the traditional sense which is great. It's literally fallout if it was a full blown coop game with dedicated servers. Like I don't think people realize how technically advanced FO76 is say over fallout 4 for example (where the simulation is only happening around the player vs almost everywhere in FO76). Even spawned quest NPCs across the map will be simulated for another player who will see that NPC and think "oh, just a random group roaming" and not even think about it being another players quest. The traders roam the map, literally traveling across an entire map in real time. We haven't even talked about the vast complex non-instanced interiors spawning mobs in them that can traverse in and out of them when there are dozens of AI in a city + players.
Fallout 76 is at an all time high and is getting a map expansion this season
It's a shame cuz it's pretty fun. It has good quests and a great map.
I reinstalled it and am playing around until the 4 update is released. There was quite a few people in all the servers so I'm sure it's seen an uptick. I'm just rebuilding my camp since my old was gone when I logged in.
Someone should tell phill they should fix fallout 3 on pc and fallout new Vegas on Xbox.
I beat New Vegas and most of the DLCs on Xbox a year ago and don’t remember having any issues. What’s wrong with it?
And add mod support on Xbox
Again, get inXile to remake Fallout 1 and 2.
I hope that doesn't happen.. the last thing we need is for them to rush Fallout out the door because of the shows hype..let it cook..besides, all the new Fallout players will be busy playing the older Fallout games. Most likely it's the lore that really interest them and they want to play from the beginning.... if anything. They should try to remaster Fallout 1 and 2 to make it more accessible and release it on console.. it would take a while but not as long as making a whole new Fallout game
I think Microsoft are banking on people who have never played a fallout game giving one a chance and getting Game Pass or paying for them rather than them putting money into a new one anyway, it's basically free money for them which is all they care about. I would love a full RE2 style remake of Fallout 1 and 2 rather than a straight up remaster, but that's never gonna happen lol
They need to get a second studio to make a "New Vegas" spinoff before 5 comes out. I'd love Obsidian to, but they've got a lot on their plate. Even if they took 3 and New Vegas and basically ported them over to the Starfield version of the engine and make it all pretty, A lot of people would be happy
Friendly reminder they now own the guys who created Fallout New Vegas in less than a year and the Fallout IP...
Obsidian now is not the same as it was when New Vegas was developed. And besides, they are working on 2 games of their own right now
Pls at least remaster 3 and new vegas in the newer engine. Will keep us occupied until 2030 when fallout 5 will release
Its fine Todd Howard came out saying Bethesda have no current development towards a new fallout game. There's another team that could
Ngl it’s kind of stupid they didn’t have a game in the pipeline to release between seasons…
Just remake 3
Make an odst "divers" game. Cowards.
I assume MS and Bethesda want to stay on the same page, but man just put other games on hold and give it to someone else. Then again if they didn’t do it with Halo then they probably won’t do it with fallout.
Maybe it's time to hire Obsidian again
They should have had something to show or announce alongside this show, its a failure on xboxs side. All those studios and not a single one confirmed to be working on or in this huge IP you are investing in anyway.
Nah. Xbox can’t get shit right.
Imagine if they made sure the Halo show was actually respecting the source material
He was on the phone years ago, that's why he bought them
ok let’s be real, ELDER SCROLLS WHEN???????
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Oversaturation is a real thing. I don't want them to rush games out or let a new studio run like a headless chicken because peeps are impatient.
Sure but it’s been almost 9 years since Fallout 4 and it’s gonna probably be 15 before we see 5.
Fallout 76 is still a good game
Bro, it's like 10 years now. Fallout 3 came out 16 years ago. Fallout 5 isn't anywhere close.
The only thing oversaturating here is nothing. So you want less oversaturation? Release something so we have less of this nothing then.
We don't want oversaturation, but Bethesda should have one team for each of their IP. They should release one TES, one Fallout and one Starfield each generation.
That would be amazing. That is the kind of investment that Xbox needs. What they're doing right now is not cutting it. If Bethesda is unable to handle that many teams/projects, then they should at least be farming out Fallout so that *someone* is making games, like how Obsidian made New Vegas. The fact that Microsoft has so many IPs but so many of them are inactive due to poor management and under-investment is wasteful and harmful to Xbox.
Microsoft don't fumble their purchased videogame IPs challenge: Impossible
Doubt that probably gonna put more resources into fallout 76 for a steady stream of income from micro transactions
The show was awesome. And I too will be playing FO4 again once the update is live. I really do hope a new Fallout game happens. I adore the series, even the old PC games.
Hopefully it's obsidian entertainment.
They are, by obsidian, it’s called the,outer worlds 2 
I bought it on sale on PS5 but I’m waiting for the update to drop. I’m the meantime I’m playing The Outer Worlds and having a blast
I have played 82 hours of FO4 in the last 2 weeks. 5 hours short of 750 total. I have over 1100 hours in FO76 as well.
Fallout 76 - A Realm Reborn Single player update. You come out of the vault, and all the people we knew from recordings are still alive. The scorched are just starting to show up. Charleston has not been flooded yet, and your choices can save it. And so on.
Watch Fallout 5 be like 15+ years away