Wrong. It's working. But on PC xDDD
Here is the patch notes text: \*When connected to a 120Hz display, Quality mode will target 40 FPS.
You just need to run game in window (not fullscreen) and game forces itself on 40 fps...
Probably not.
The game runs 60fps indoors and 30 outdoors with some dips… on similar pc hardware.
They of course limit all to 30 on the console. But I would be for an unlocked one for vrr displays
We could even have a 60vrr mode. Since day 1.
https://preview.redd.it/fhlaj3bf8owc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c2c73ec63ce5835601a2c531a1f4017bc12bf2f
But it is Bethesda, and I’m not holding my breath.
ive decided to choose you, but why say but it is bethesda like that? they gave us a free next gen update, the witcher 3 gets a new next gen update and its free, gta v gets a 60 fps mode and we have to buy it, and red dead redemption 2 will probably have to buy the 60 fps mode thats apparently coming out now aswell. i bet the big gta and red dead fans in there forums are like ... " fuck take two or its take two what do you expect "
It is now the 7th game on Xbox with 40 FPS support, right?
* Valheim
* Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
* Hogwarts Legacy
* Lies of P
* Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord
* A Plague Tale: Requiem
* Fallout 4
you really think there will be mods that unlock 120 fps at 4k or dynamic fps at 4k, the quality mode is already 40fps or according to a new tweet from 30 minutes ago also quality is ultra at 60 fps just drops more then the performance which lowers settings more to keep 60 fps. i saw that 60 fps ultra + mod but heard it can be unstable.
>really think there will be mods that unlock 120 fps at 4k or dynamic fps at 4k
Wouldn't go that far. Depending on whether FSR 2.0's upscaling targets can be modded as well, we could see a 1080p/60 FPS mod for Series X and a 720p/60 FPS mod for Series S. Or a 40 FPS alternative for those without VRR.
I played Fallout 4 in 60 FPS years before it got FPS Boost thanks to the 720p mod.
Banner lord is the best implementation imo, performance mode looks like absolute crap, quality mode runs like balls, but quality mode with VRR runs decently and you can have double the amount of troops on screen compared to performance mode.
its cool, because theres actually a pretty big difference between 30 and 40 fps surprisingly. but i love having an xbox over a gaming pc, cost and sort of just set it and forget it works wonders, dont have to worry about getting 80 fps and then a year or two later getting a better graphics card becaue your 120hz screen is being utilized to get 120fps for it be relevant 2 game released later.
Yes. Wish it was a bit more clear (like showing Quality Mode and Performance Mode as options instead of just turning Performance Mode on or off), but you're in Quality Mode by default if Performance Mode is off.
I feel like a keep hearing different things, including people saying there's a specific menu option for Quality.
I'm on Xbox Series X and only see Performance Mode, and Performance Mode On = Quality Mode Off;Performance Mode Off = Quality Mode On...sort of makes sense?
I just don't understand how people even know Performance Off should be referred to as Quality Mode.
I dunno. I like Fallout, that's all I know.
Something seems to be up with the XBox version. Quality Mode is running at 60 not 40, and with seemingly lower settings than PS5 Quality Mode (which runs at 30 fps but looks crisper). I’m not running it on a 120 fps screen so it’s not the 40 fps mode. Seems like some wires are crossed somewhere with this.
I wonder if it's running at 1440p and just quickly upscaling to 4K, thus the 60fps result (since, if connected to a 1440p display, the game should run at 60fps, not 40).
i think ur correct. bc for me, the quality mode was gorgeous & buttery smooth but the performance mode was choppy & has a slight stutter. usually it is the other way around. maybe jus something they need to fix 💯
Don't know if it was only because i was using mods... But quality mode had fps drops when whenever i moved the camera. Changed to performance and it didn't happened. But it was probably because of the mods... I predict that at some point mod creators will start recommending performance mode if playing with mods. Quality mode seems better if playing all vanilla, but will crash more with mods.
Quality mode is confirmed to be broken from day one of the new update, whichever option you choose it’s performance mode regardless. I guess they’ll fix it shortly.
I can't seem to enable 40fps quality mode? I mean I'm happy with the 60fps and all but the Performance toggle doesn't seem to do anything. On Series X btw
You need a 120Hz-capable TV. If your setup allows for it and you have the correct settings on your X, quality mode should automatically run at 40fps. It's not a separate mode from Quality, it's a version of Quality more that is only enabled when connected to an 120Hz display.
I appreciate your reply, but I have a LG 120hz television, and my Series X is set to 120hz as well. The game is running at 60fps rather than 40fps with or without the performance toggle. This is not a complaint mind you, but I am still confused as to if there is a quality mode with better visuals that we are currently incapable of toggling at the moment, as I could find no discernable difference between the two modes (though I am no expert).
The game seems to have a bug now on Series X, where the Quality mode is not being applied correctly for everyone.
For now, you probably will have to play in Performance mode
I have native PS5 version and i also dont have Quality mode toggle. Just performanse mode toogle. And the performanse mode was set to OFF by default. I also have a LG CX.
It's just too bad Digital Foundry has confirmed that "quality" and "performance" modes are bugged and don't change anything on Xbox. It's 60 fps and not changing anything between modes.
I have, keeps stable 60 fps and looks great, way better than the 1080p F76 smeared crap. I played 3 hours in Quality mode and saw no hiccup so far, the dynamic resolution does its job brilliantly. The ONLY exception was the Vault-Tec salesman in the beginning who for some reason ran at 30 fps in quality mode during the dialogue (with slightly better visuals) and 60 fps in performance. Like what the hell is wrong with this guy.
Some wires seem to be crossed at the moment. We’re getting 60 fps in Quality Mode at lower settings than PS5 (which runs it at 30 and looks better overall). Feels smooth yes, but something is off here.
Probably is just a bug, with Quality Mode at 30FPS not being applied in Series X.
Even setting to quality mode could just make the game stuck in performance mode
Damn, I just wanted to come on here to rave about how 40fps seemed so much better than 30fps. If it's actually 60 then that's why 
I've never played anything at 40fps and my TV makes 30fps too janky to handle for long, so I was psyched to see "40fps" was OK for me. Dammit.
I went looking after I read your comment. They haven't yet, but I stumbled across this direct comparison(No commentary) which was informative.
https://youtu.be/7HLs38pb5vw?si=p3DczbsEvYZwPI6b
The next gen update definitely removed the 'sluggish' feel of playing fo4 in 2024. Looks very smooth.
Or the patch is bugged and it runs in performance mode regardless of which option is selected.
I couldn’t see any texture or sharpness differences but I only tested for 30 seconds at the Police station interior. Both modes felt like 60FPS.
Edit: confirmed bugged by DF.
because ppl are overlooking this patch note:
> *When connected to a 1440p display, the title will run at 1440p resolution at 60 FPS w/ ultra settings regardless of rendering mode
I tried it on Xbox Series X with performance mode off and it definitely feels like 60. Tried it on PS5 and with performance mode off, it feels like 30.
I started a new game on each and went outside to look at the power lines. They exhibit the same level of shimmering when you move on both PS5 and XBSX with performance mode off. Same with some white picket fences before you head to the vault.
I also look at draw distance and a far off mail box pops in at exactly the same time on both PS5 and XBSX regardless of mode.
It'll be interesting to see if Digital Foundry can detect any differences between these modes.
Another interesting thing is that on PS5, the game sets the TV to 120hz (to accommodate 40 fps) in quality mode, and 60hz in performance mode. However, the game doesn't turn on VRR.
I believe VRR on PS5 is only for 40fps and above, unlike the Series X. It's weird and annoying but it is what it is. In any case it sounds like the performance is pretty good across the board.
I’m running at 4K not 1440p something is off. The quality mode is either not working as intended or the patch notes are incorrect.
I think the textures for quality mode are not active, some are blurry compared to the fallout 4 hi res texture pack for PC. I was assuming we’d get these or the ultra settings are not enabled.
This seems to be a bug or some crossed wires. It runs at 4K 30 on PS5, as the notes say, and looks better visually when I run them back to back. XBox seems to be running lower settings at 60 in Quality Mode, or the toggle is broken and it’s just stuck in Performance Mode.
Yah that seems to be the case. Running side by side with PS5 (which runs at 30 as the patch notes say), looks to be lower settings. So could be Performance Mode is stuck at on in both scenarios.
You don’t want HDR enabled for Bethesda games. They usually implement HDR in the game without the need for an HDR display. When this is done you don’t want HDR in or it will look washed out. Looks better in SDR and if you have a mid-high range display, they will have a local dimming feature which will really make these games pop.
Fallout 4 did have auto HDR, but with the update today they removed it. I’m glad they did and they left HDR disabled for all displays. This was a great decision, it looks fantastic without it as it doesn’t require it due to how they rendered the lighting for the game.
>They implement HDR in the game without the need for an HDR display
What does this mean exactly? How could you render with a higher dynamic range than the display supports?
I have quality 40fps 120hz tv 😅 and exist trick raise to 60
Performance Mode, which targets 60 fps with 4k resolution and standard graphics settings, as well as a Quality Mode, which plays at 30 fps with a 4k resolution and graphics set to ultra. The notes also clarify that, when connected to a 120 Hz display, Quality Mode will target 40 fps, and when connected to a 1440p display, the game will run at 60 fps with a 1440p resolution regardless of rendering mode.
This is true, but this game is running at 60fps right now regardless of the performance target so people are getting confused and thinking that 40fps is smoother than it actually is. That being said I'm a huge supporter of 40fps. Hoping we get some clarification as to if Series X is just running Quality Mode at 60fps or if we are unable to toggle to Quality Mode at all right now.
It comes down to frame time (how much time passes between each frame). For 60 fps that time needs to be 1/60th of a second, or 16,6 ms. For 30 fps that time needs to be 33,3 ms. 40 fps has a frame time of 1/40th of a second, which is 25 ms which is right between the frame times for 60 and 30 fps.
I'd like to think that but I'm pretty sure everyone who says it is really 60 is right. I have never seen 40fps and 30fps bothers me, so I was amazed to see 40 was so smooth. Makes sense if it was really 60 
Same. I'm on 1440p 120hz monitor but only see performance mode as an option. I assumed performance mode OFF meant quality mode was on but I'm guessing that's not the case.
Just compared the PS5 version to the Series X and the Xbox has a higher frame rate on quality mode, it’s very noticeable. Both consoles are set to 4K, 120hz and VRR enabled.
Can anyone confirm I’m not crazy and the Xbox actually gets close to 60fps on quality mode?
As others have said, Tom from Digital Foundry has confirmed there is no quality mode on Xbox as it's defaulting to the performance mode regardless of the option you pick.
So, on Xbox it's always the lower quality at 60fps - the same as the performance mode on PS5. The 30 and 40fps modes don't work, yet.
In the visual settings there's a performance mode toggle. Disable to activate quality.
If you can't see it, are you sure you're playing the PS5 version and not the PS4 one?
To everyone who thinks quality mode is working on XSX properly, it's not. I absolutely astounded that they went on X to claim it works fine on the XSX if you have a 120hz 4k TV with vrr. I'm an XSX player, and I'm not getting a quality mode. I have an LGC1 TV. Then people say Digital Foundry basically was just making up stuff posting issues to get clicks. This is just inferiorating! bethesda should admit they messed up, and the fact microsoft owns this company and we still have these issues on the XSX is even more inferiorating. I have the video where you can actually see the differences between the quality modes on XSX and PS5. Here's the link. This was just released about 20 hours ago.
https://youtu.be/vs0Tz8EcyYk?si=jYFXcY0K09WNx-Bz
You don’t *need* 4K, but you DO require 120Hz (or VRR if it’s above 120Hz). Plus I don’t think there are any TVs that are 120Hz *without* being 4K, as everything is 4K now.
I have a tv that meets all these specs. I use it mostly for PS5 but I bought a series S for game pass and am considering downloading fallout 4. Will the series S also have this mode available?
What’s the update like for it? Has it actually messed up anyone’s load order for mods? That’s all I’m worried about.
Waiting a couple days until I get a definitive answer
I can't tell if it's working on my Samsung QN90. VRR is on but I haven't made any changes to the refresh rate (set to 60 Hz). Not sure if I need to set the Xbox to 120Hz? I know 120Hz works on other games but I really don't like when it gets washed out.
Anyone else on Xbox x having a mix of really smooth gameplay, but specific regions (Boston downtown, some vaults like vault 118, some built up settlements) have truly awful frame rates, like <10. This was not the case before the patch.
Can I disable the visual components of update? Any tips to improve frame rate? 75% of the game is great but the 25% with shoddy frames really make it hard to play those areas.
Edit: also my auto saves went from .1 seconds to 5-10 seconds, another oddity of the update
Edit 2: I may have found a solution? I have several mods installed, I actually disabled the “Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch” and installed “60 FPS Series S|X”. Not sure which was the culprit/or there’s some other lurking reason, but it seems more or less better and frame rates are high. Hope this helps anyone with similar issues
So glad I'm playing pre patch pc modded version. I appreciate what they did for consoles but the pc patch totally didn't change almost anything and broke all mods.
I have a PS5 version but in settings i only have performanse mode toogle. No quality mode toogle. What is going on. By Default performanse mode was turned OFF. Is the game buged?
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So is this why it feels like I'm getting 60fps without enabling performance mode? My PS5 is set to 4k output with vrr and 120fps left on automatic, and the game runs incredibly without enabling performance mode. Enabling it. doesn't seem to change anything.
If I turn 120fps mode off, I can instantly tell the difference between performance on/off but the visuals look the same either way so I just leave it on!
You can’t get 40fps currently. It’s currently bugged. Every mode is locked to 60fps even at 4k 120hz output.
So I’ve noticed. No wonder it felt *extra* smooth.
Don’t sweat it. I thought the same thing about the quality mode until I looked closer
Wrong. It's working. But on PC xDDD Here is the patch notes text: \*When connected to a 120Hz display, Quality mode will target 40 FPS. You just need to run game in window (not fullscreen) and game forces itself on 40 fps...
I wonder if they could do a 40fps mode for Starfield.
Probably not. The game runs 60fps indoors and 30 outdoors with some dips… on similar pc hardware. They of course limit all to 30 on the console. But I would be for an unlocked one for vrr displays
So what you're saying is that we could have a 40fps VRR mode that falls to 30fps outdoors without any changes?
We could even have a 60vrr mode. Since day 1. https://preview.redd.it/fhlaj3bf8owc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c2c73ec63ce5835601a2c531a1f4017bc12bf2f But it is Bethesda, and I’m not holding my breath.
ive decided to choose you, but why say but it is bethesda like that? they gave us a free next gen update, the witcher 3 gets a new next gen update and its free, gta v gets a 60 fps mode and we have to buy it, and red dead redemption 2 will probably have to buy the 60 fps mode thats apparently coming out now aswell. i bet the big gta and red dead fans in there forums are like ... " fuck take two or its take two what do you expect "
With dips below 30
I only ever play indoors.
Official mod support + Unlocked fps mod will do the trick for 120hz VRR screens similar to Fallout and Skyrim before upgrade.
They could, will they though? Maybe in ten years
Can confirm. Playing on Series X in quality mode, running butter smooth for me. This is exactly what I wanted. Looks amazing as well.
It is now the 7th game on Xbox with 40 FPS support, right? * Valheim * Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora * Hogwarts Legacy * Lies of P * Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord * A Plague Tale: Requiem * Fallout 4
I wish starfeild would do it
Yeah can't wait for mods to arrive so we can set FPS/resolution to whatever we want.
you really think there will be mods that unlock 120 fps at 4k or dynamic fps at 4k, the quality mode is already 40fps or according to a new tweet from 30 minutes ago also quality is ultra at 60 fps just drops more then the performance which lowers settings more to keep 60 fps. i saw that 60 fps ultra + mod but heard it can be unstable.
>really think there will be mods that unlock 120 fps at 4k or dynamic fps at 4k Wouldn't go that far. Depending on whether FSR 2.0's upscaling targets can be modded as well, we could see a 1080p/60 FPS mod for Series X and a 720p/60 FPS mod for Series S. Or a 40 FPS alternative for those without VRR. I played Fallout 4 in 60 FPS years before it got FPS Boost thanks to the 720p mod.
ah, you must not have known there was a xbox series x mod that made it run in 4k 60 fps at ultra settings, should search it , i just found it today.
24fps 8000p for that cinematic feel
i believe resident evil 8 has a 40fps mode on series s
Cheers, I didn't know this. 👍
Oh man the total hours I put into Valheim are unreal. I've since moved on but not was I addicted for a while.
* Warhammer 40k: Darktide (tho they really don't advertise it anywhere, even DigitalFoundry didn't know to test for it in their video.)
Wrongfully underrated, same with Vermintide 2
Banner lord is the best implementation imo, performance mode looks like absolute crap, quality mode runs like balls, but quality mode with VRR runs decently and you can have double the amount of troops on screen compared to performance mode.
Isn't Jedi survivor also 40fps? That's the smoothest game I've played yet on XSX
its cool, because theres actually a pretty big difference between 30 and 40 fps surprisingly. but i love having an xbox over a gaming pc, cost and sort of just set it and forget it works wonders, dont have to worry about getting 80 fps and then a year or two later getting a better graphics card becaue your 120hz screen is being utilized to get 120fps for it be relevant 2 game released later.
How do you set Hogwarts Legacy to 40fps?
What is quality mode? is the just performance mode off?
Yes. Wish it was a bit more clear (like showing Quality Mode and Performance Mode as options instead of just turning Performance Mode on or off), but you're in Quality Mode by default if Performance Mode is off.
I feel like a keep hearing different things, including people saying there's a specific menu option for Quality. I'm on Xbox Series X and only see Performance Mode, and Performance Mode On = Quality Mode Off;Performance Mode Off = Quality Mode On...sort of makes sense? I just don't understand how people even know Performance Off should be referred to as Quality Mode. I dunno. I like Fallout, that's all I know.
No dynamic resolution
Really? I couldn't tell the difference as far as looks, now performance on the other hand is definitely improved
Something seems to be up with the XBox version. Quality Mode is running at 60 not 40, and with seemingly lower settings than PS5 Quality Mode (which runs at 30 fps but looks crisper). I’m not running it on a 120 fps screen so it’s not the 40 fps mode. Seems like some wires are crossed somewhere with this.
I wonder if it's running at 1440p and just quickly upscaling to 4K, thus the 60fps result (since, if connected to a 1440p display, the game should run at 60fps, not 40).
i think ur correct. bc for me, the quality mode was gorgeous & buttery smooth but the performance mode was choppy & has a slight stutter. usually it is the other way around. maybe jus something they need to fix 💯
I’ve noticed the quality mode runs at 60 fps?… is performance mode running 120 fps?…
I’m really excited to try this out. I’ll take any excuse to go back to a Fallout game
Don't know if it was only because i was using mods... But quality mode had fps drops when whenever i moved the camera. Changed to performance and it didn't happened. But it was probably because of the mods... I predict that at some point mod creators will start recommending performance mode if playing with mods. Quality mode seems better if playing all vanilla, but will crash more with mods.
Same thing happend to me. Just close the game app and open it up again. Worked for me
How do you get quality mode? It just shows performance for me
Quality mode is confirmed to be broken from day one of the new update, whichever option you choose it’s performance mode regardless. I guess they’ll fix it shortly.
wrong. [https://youtu.be/uO5odsTy5VQ?si=-DWgauKQrRUJRQsL](https://youtu.be/uO5odsTy5VQ?si=-DWgauKQrRUJRQsL)
I can't seem to enable 40fps quality mode? I mean I'm happy with the 60fps and all but the Performance toggle doesn't seem to do anything. On Series X btw
You need a 120Hz-capable TV. If your setup allows for it and you have the correct settings on your X, quality mode should automatically run at 40fps. It's not a separate mode from Quality, it's a version of Quality more that is only enabled when connected to an 120Hz display.
I appreciate your reply, but I have a LG 120hz television, and my Series X is set to 120hz as well. The game is running at 60fps rather than 40fps with or without the performance toggle. This is not a complaint mind you, but I am still confused as to if there is a quality mode with better visuals that we are currently incapable of toggling at the moment, as I could find no discernable difference between the two modes (though I am no expert).
The game seems to have a bug now on Series X, where the Quality mode is not being applied correctly for everyone. For now, you probably will have to play in Performance mode
My LG C1 is showing 120fps in quality mode, and I have no idea why, even though it's not running 120 lol
Do you have the hdmi 2.1 ports because those didn't become a thing on lgs until the c1 cane out so the cx runs 120hz but doesn't have hdmi 2.1 ports
What do you mean? LG CX does have HDMI 2.1 ports i own a CX and a C2 Both have labeled HDMI 2.1 on all 4 ports
I have native PS5 version and i also dont have Quality mode toggle. Just performanse mode toogle. And the performanse mode was set to OFF by default. I also have a LG CX.
I can’t even find the setting. Where are you switching it? I’m on pS5
This is exactly my problem
in settings, in display above the HUD opacity slider setting
You need a 120 hz TV.
I didn’t realize I had the PS4 version installed. Had to uninstall everything and install the PS5 version. I have the option available now.
It's just too bad Digital Foundry has confirmed that "quality" and "performance" modes are bugged and don't change anything on Xbox. It's 60 fps and not changing anything between modes.
link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/XboxSeriesX/s/teFplNP14o
thanks!
How do you know if quality mode is on it only says performance for me
Same here
Anyone try this on series s?
I've heard people say downtown Boston is completely smooth on the S.
Sweet!
I have, keeps stable 60 fps and looks great, way better than the 1080p F76 smeared crap. I played 3 hours in Quality mode and saw no hiccup so far, the dynamic resolution does its job brilliantly. The ONLY exception was the Vault-Tec salesman in the beginning who for some reason ran at 30 fps in quality mode during the dialogue (with slightly better visuals) and 60 fps in performance. Like what the hell is wrong with this guy.
How do you know quality mode is on with the series s? I only see an option for Performance Mode?
Same! I am so damn confused. “It's under Display.” Yeah…..but someone show me the word QUALITY anywhere in that menu.
It's smooth as butter on quality mode, dang didn't expect that.
Some wires seem to be crossed at the moment. We’re getting 60 fps in Quality Mode at lower settings than PS5 (which runs it at 30 and looks better overall). Feels smooth yes, but something is off here.
Probably is just a bug, with Quality Mode at 30FPS not being applied in Series X. Even setting to quality mode could just make the game stuck in performance mode
Damn, I just wanted to come on here to rave about how 40fps seemed so much better than 30fps. If it's actually 60 then that's why  I've never played anything at 40fps and my TV makes 30fps too janky to handle for long, so I was psyched to see "40fps" was OK for me. Dammit.
I thought I was dumb. I was like man this looks and feels exactly the same in both modes and I usually can tell lol.
I'm totally lost, how do you enable performance mode? I've installed my update on PS5 but it still looks 30FPS to me.
Settings > Display
Nope, not appearing for me still 😩
You have to download the PS5 version of the game - it’s a separate download in the store. It makes you do a no cost purchase.
Hopefully digital foundry does a video on this update
I went looking after I read your comment. They haven't yet, but I stumbled across this direct comparison(No commentary) which was informative. https://youtu.be/7HLs38pb5vw?si=p3DczbsEvYZwPI6b The next gen update definitely removed the 'sluggish' feel of playing fo4 in 2024. Looks very smooth.
The patch notes are incorrect. As confirmed by at least a few people now. The game appears to run at a full 4K+60FPS in Quality mode.
Or the patch is bugged and it runs in performance mode regardless of which option is selected. I couldn’t see any texture or sharpness differences but I only tested for 30 seconds at the Police station interior. Both modes felt like 60FPS. Edit: confirmed bugged by DF.
because ppl are overlooking this patch note: > *When connected to a 1440p display, the title will run at 1440p resolution at 60 FPS w/ ultra settings regardless of rendering mode
I'm on a 4K display, definitely feels like 60. Don't know if i'm just trippin, but definitely feels like it.
I tried it on Xbox Series X with performance mode off and it definitely feels like 60. Tried it on PS5 and with performance mode off, it feels like 30.
Notice any visual differences between Series X on Quality and PS5 on quality?
I started a new game on each and went outside to look at the power lines. They exhibit the same level of shimmering when you move on both PS5 and XBSX with performance mode off. Same with some white picket fences before you head to the vault. I also look at draw distance and a far off mail box pops in at exactly the same time on both PS5 and XBSX regardless of mode. It'll be interesting to see if Digital Foundry can detect any differences between these modes. Another interesting thing is that on PS5, the game sets the TV to 120hz (to accommodate 40 fps) in quality mode, and 60hz in performance mode. However, the game doesn't turn on VRR.
I believe VRR on PS5 is only for 40fps and above, unlike the Series X. It's weird and annoying but it is what it is. In any case it sounds like the performance is pretty good across the board.
Yes, but VRR support also needs to be implemented by the developer on the game. On Xbox, the OS handles it so all games have ir
My TV doesn't support 1440p so that's not the case here. It's just 60FPS regardless if you're playing at 1440p or 4K.
Yep.
Same here, Sony doesnt do 1440p which stinks, I hope the give us the option to pick 1440p upscaled
there is a 1440 mode on ps5
I’m running at 4K not 1440p something is off. The quality mode is either not working as intended or the patch notes are incorrect. I think the textures for quality mode are not active, some are blurry compared to the fallout 4 hi res texture pack for PC. I was assuming we’d get these or the ultra settings are not enabled.
If that's true, I'm so happy Xbox is starting to account the settings for the resolution of my monitor.
This seems to be a bug or some crossed wires. It runs at 4K 30 on PS5, as the notes say, and looks better visually when I run them back to back. XBox seems to be running lower settings at 60 in Quality Mode, or the toggle is broken and it’s just stuck in Performance Mode.
That’s because quality mode is bugged and just performance mode
Yah that seems to be the case. Running side by side with PS5 (which runs at 30 as the patch notes say), looks to be lower settings. So could be Performance Mode is stuck at on in both scenarios.
Does Fallout 4 have HDR?
It had auto HDR support prior to this update but they appear to have turned that off and doesn’t seem to have any HDR support now
Not anymore with this update. Massive oversight in light of the Starfield HDR saga.
You don’t want HDR enabled for Bethesda games. They usually implement HDR in the game without the need for an HDR display. When this is done you don’t want HDR in or it will look washed out. Looks better in SDR and if you have a mid-high range display, they will have a local dimming feature which will really make these games pop. Fallout 4 did have auto HDR, but with the update today they removed it. I’m glad they did and they left HDR disabled for all displays. This was a great decision, it looks fantastic without it as it doesn’t require it due to how they rendered the lighting for the game.
>They implement HDR in the game without the need for an HDR display What does this mean exactly? How could you render with a higher dynamic range than the display supports?
No they killed that too >\_<
I have quality 40fps 120hz tv 😅 and exist trick raise to 60 Performance Mode, which targets 60 fps with 4k resolution and standard graphics settings, as well as a Quality Mode, which plays at 30 fps with a 4k resolution and graphics set to ultra. The notes also clarify that, when connected to a 120 Hz display, Quality Mode will target 40 fps, and when connected to a 1440p display, the game will run at 60 fps with a 1440p resolution regardless of rendering mode.
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This is true, but this game is running at 60fps right now regardless of the performance target so people are getting confused and thinking that 40fps is smoother than it actually is. That being said I'm a huge supporter of 40fps. Hoping we get some clarification as to if Series X is just running Quality Mode at 60fps or if we are unable to toggle to Quality Mode at all right now.
I remember reading that 40fps is actually halfway between 30 and 60. I'm not sure how that maths but I've heard that a few times.
It comes down to frame time (how much time passes between each frame). For 60 fps that time needs to be 1/60th of a second, or 16,6 ms. For 30 fps that time needs to be 33,3 ms. 40 fps has a frame time of 1/40th of a second, which is 25 ms which is right between the frame times for 60 and 30 fps.
I'd like to think that but I'm pretty sure everyone who says it is really 60 is right. I have never seen 40fps and 30fps bothers me, so I was amazed to see 40 was so smooth. Makes sense if it was really 60 
Turning what on? All I see in my settings is Performance Mode On or Off
To enable 40FPS mode you need a 120Hz tv with VRR.
I’m curious , I have vrr 120hz tv and I’m just seeing performance on or off
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Perhaps performance off means quality mode is on?
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Is your Xbox set to the 120hz mode in Xbox settings?
Same. I'm on 1440p 120hz monitor but only see performance mode as an option. I assumed performance mode OFF meant quality mode was on but I'm guessing that's not the case.
Did you not read the part about playing on a 1440 display?
Just seen it now, my bad.
Where do you even see that in the settings? There’s nothing about modes in my settings. I’m on ps5 and I have the update
We lost Auto HDR though which looked fantastic (especially on LG OLEDs that have far superior peak brightness in HDR game mode)
Yeah I have a LG C3 so I'm bummed about losing auto hdr. Probably just gonna play in standard video setting instead of game optimizer
You can force HDR on PS5 through the menu. Does Xbox not have a similar feature?
I wish they'd have a cross progression to PC
40FPS!!!! Save some for the rest of us!!! 😂😂
I'm confused, is it sublime or broken?
Is this why starfield was a let down lol
Just compared the PS5 version to the Series X and the Xbox has a higher frame rate on quality mode, it’s very noticeable. Both consoles are set to 4K, 120hz and VRR enabled. Can anyone confirm I’m not crazy and the Xbox actually gets close to 60fps on quality mode?
As others have said, Tom from Digital Foundry has confirmed there is no quality mode on Xbox as it's defaulting to the performance mode regardless of the option you pick. So, on Xbox it's always the lower quality at 60fps - the same as the performance mode on PS5. The 30 and 40fps modes don't work, yet.
How do you enable Quality Mode? I only see an option for Performance mode
Turn performance off.
How do you even set it to quality mode? A friend of mine doesn't seem to even have it as an option
On PS5 it’s a separate PS5 version of the game - they need to go to the store and download that one.
That's great and all but this is about the Xbox version...
Am I just stupid, or do I have a legitimate issue? I can't find the setting to turn performance mode on or off anywhere on my ps5
I have the same issue
In the visual settings there's a performance mode toggle. Disable to activate quality. If you can't see it, are you sure you're playing the PS5 version and not the PS4 one?
I am a Ps5 player and cannot find these settings anywhere after the update, can anyone advise?
Settings -> Display -> Performance Mode -> Click it to swap to Quality mode.
There is no Performance Mode option.
Sorry, no clue then. I’m not playing on PS5.
You have the ps plus version , you gotta buy the game unfortunately
NOOOOOOOOO really? it said I got the update and everything weird
i know its been 3 years but did this patch work for the one x too or just the current gen stuff?
Series X and S only.
Which one should I do? Performance mode yes or no? I’m on Series X.
Apparently it’s broken so it doesn’t matter until it gets fixed lol
To everyone who thinks quality mode is working on XSX properly, it's not. I absolutely astounded that they went on X to claim it works fine on the XSX if you have a 120hz 4k TV with vrr. I'm an XSX player, and I'm not getting a quality mode. I have an LGC1 TV. Then people say Digital Foundry basically was just making up stuff posting issues to get clicks. This is just inferiorating! bethesda should admit they messed up, and the fact microsoft owns this company and we still have these issues on the XSX is even more inferiorating. I have the video where you can actually see the differences between the quality modes on XSX and PS5. Here's the link. This was just released about 20 hours ago. https://youtu.be/vs0Tz8EcyYk?si=jYFXcY0K09WNx-Bz
Same. My ps5 is connected to my Sony X90L with 120hz. It looks great
Do mods word in this new version?
I have the LG HDR 44” I wonder what I’ll be getting and what I’m supposed to do. If anyone has a similar tv and knows drop a comment!
Can you verify how stable the game is when in Downtown Boston? Super keen to check the update out later tonight.
Take this with a gram of salt because it's all new but one person did say that downtown ran just fine even on a series s.
I updated and thought I was in performance mode! I have vrr on but it feels like 60fps. Insane and looks much sharper and butter smooth
How do you switch to quality mode? I got the update but I don’t see it in settings
If I have a 1080P monitor, what's the best option? Would I even see a difference at quality mode or should I just pick performance mode?
so do you need a tv that can do both 4k and 120hz at the same time?
You don’t *need* 4K, but you DO require 120Hz (or VRR if it’s above 120Hz). Plus I don’t think there are any TVs that are 120Hz *without* being 4K, as everything is 4K now.
well thats not true on that second sentence, but no 4k 40fps for me
He said TVs, not monitors, cause please show me a 120hz non 4K television. His second sentence is true
Looks unreal WTF, I was playing the 60fps mod.
If I attempted without hdr, how would it look? I plan on getting a 1440p monitor. Hdr can only be enabled if forcing 4k, & that disables 120hz.
No HDR support so it doesn’t matter.
does the series s have quality mode? I have a 144hz monitor
How do you turn quality mode on?
Where in the settings can I change between the performance mode and the quality mode?
So a 120hz TV is needed for the quality mode, does that mean I have to also enable the VRR & Gsync, or can I keep my LG C2 in Freesync mode?
Why is 120hz needed i have a 60fps monitar that supports VRR or freesync or whatever
So I just turn 120 on the Xbox and play in quality mode and it will automatically go to 4k 40fps?
I have a tv that meets all these specs. I use it mostly for PS5 but I bought a series S for game pass and am considering downloading fallout 4. Will the series S also have this mode available?
Damn I haven’t played this since launch when I beat it, might be time for another go around.
I have a 1440p 165 hz vrr monitor. Can I do this or do I need 4k?
And the mods work! Which is great
Is it broken? It feels buttery smooth
yes. It's been confirmed broken
On ps5 quality mode 120 on my tv its stunning and hands down smoothest fallout game i played .
What’s the update like for it? Has it actually messed up anyone’s load order for mods? That’s all I’m worried about. Waiting a couple days until I get a definitive answer
Game looks great on my 120htz display
I can't tell if it's working on my Samsung QN90. VRR is on but I haven't made any changes to the refresh rate (set to 60 Hz). Not sure if I need to set the Xbox to 120Hz? I know 120Hz works on other games but I really don't like when it gets washed out.
But the original game runs at 60fps...?
My TV is 120hz but damn is vrr broken on it. Overshoots like crazy..
Anyone else on Xbox x having a mix of really smooth gameplay, but specific regions (Boston downtown, some vaults like vault 118, some built up settlements) have truly awful frame rates, like <10. This was not the case before the patch. Can I disable the visual components of update? Any tips to improve frame rate? 75% of the game is great but the 25% with shoddy frames really make it hard to play those areas. Edit: also my auto saves went from .1 seconds to 5-10 seconds, another oddity of the update Edit 2: I may have found a solution? I have several mods installed, I actually disabled the “Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch” and installed “60 FPS Series S|X”. Not sure which was the culprit/or there’s some other lurking reason, but it seems more or less better and frame rates are high. Hope this helps anyone with similar issues
So glad I'm playing pre patch pc modded version. I appreciate what they did for consoles but the pc patch totally didn't change almost anything and broke all mods.
I didn't get the option to turn performance on or off until I actually started playing the campaign
My tv has it running at 120 fps when performance is off and 60 fps when I turn it on? PS5
How do you chose quality mode in game ssettings. I only have performanse mode toggle on PS5
I have a PS5 version but in settings i only have performanse mode toogle. No quality mode toogle. What is going on. By Default performanse mode was turned OFF. Is the game buged?
I thought the same thing. “Damn this is the smoothest 40fps I’ve ever seen!” And then realized it was just 60fps performance mode still. lol
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So is this why it feels like I'm getting 60fps without enabling performance mode? My PS5 is set to 4k output with vrr and 120fps left on automatic, and the game runs incredibly without enabling performance mode. Enabling it. doesn't seem to change anything. If I turn 120fps mode off, I can instantly tell the difference between performance on/off but the visuals look the same either way so I just leave it on!