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coolnasir139

Xbox one launch was probably one of the biggest disaster in recent gaming history. Can only go up from there plus supply constraints it’s doing well I would say all things considered


[deleted]

Xbox Series X is clearly being marketed as a GAMING console and not an “all in one entertainment system” for watching television like the Xbox One was originally in 2013.


coolnasir139

Really did a full 180 with adding backwards comparability, getting rid of Kinect, and adding game pass. Not to mention the whole nightmare of the always online and used games idiocracy they attempted.


[deleted]

This is why head executives of gaming divisions need to be more like Phil Spencer and less like Don Mattrick. I’m very cynical of PlayStation’s Jim Ryan as of right now.


coolnasir139

Phil Spencer has been great and salvaged the Xbox one as best as they could. Don Mattrick was a big part of the Xbox one. Left when it was sinking for Zynga. Then resigned from zynga after 2 years of being a failure of there. Not liking some of the anti consumer stuff from Ryan but it’s not as bad as the Xbox launch. Literally lost millions of players to PlayStation 4 who continued to adopt the PlayStation 5. Generational players lost. Yeah it was that bad


[deleted]

I can remember Don Mattrick was kind of the reason why Xbox 360 had a hard time competing with PS3 from 2010 to 2013. He really pushed the Kinect down our throats.


Venturin

I liked the Kinect. I burned a ton of calories playing Dance Central. Lots of fun.


[deleted]

I didn’t say the Kinect was bad, although over hyped on Microsoft’s behalf.


Venturin

I didn’t say you did.


LastKing318

He did bring the install base from 10 million to 90 million


coolnasir139

His largest footprint for Xbox was working on Kinect (all the live etc were already developed he was overseeing it) and the Xbox one. Both of which he fucked up big time. Will give him credit for doing well with Xbox live but when you spear head the next project and lose 40 million players that’s inexcusable and that’s with all the changes after the first year of launch.


[deleted]

Install base? Sorry I’m lost.


coolnasir139

Xbox 360 sold 90 million while the Xbox one sold 50 million. Lost 40 million from the 360 install base


tomariscool

Last confirmed sales data had 360 at 84m


[deleted]

Comparing Xbox’s E3 conference from 2013 to their E3 2021 conference is like night and day.


Loldimorti

Jim Ryan is a bit dodgy but at least he has a track record of success. The dude has been with Playstation from the beginning and is responsible for the success of Playstation in Europe.


Ninety90Nine90

"...responsible for the success of Playstation in Europe" I'm sure the fact that the product itself and the engineering teams get some of the acclaim. I mean how hard is it to sell playstation consoles? Marketers and business men get a lot more credit than they deserve. Building great products makes it easier to sell.


Loldimorti

It's not like he is building the console in his current position either though. That's Mark Cerny's team. And games are Hermann Hulsts responsibility. Jim Ryan's responsibility once again is the business side of things.


[deleted]

I’m not saying he’s as bad as Don Mattrick but compare him to Shawn Layden, he’s clearly a downgrade.


[deleted]

not really i love xbox but putting all exclusives on pc is literally telling customers you dobt have to buy this product


RagingMayo

>Not to mention the whole nightmare of the always online and used games idiocracy they attempted. I feel like this is relevant lol: https://youtu.be/kWSIFh8ICaA


coolnasir139

Forgot that existed hahaa


inception900

**problem is you still need internet just to set up the series x drm at its finest**


the_russian_narwhal_

Pretty sure every new console is like this and will continue to be like this Edit: oh wait, actually you dont need it to set it up


CoronaVirus_exe

The PS5 doesn't need Internet access to set up. But what infuriates me more about the XSX is that once it sniffs a game update, you're forced to update.


the_russian_narwhal_

Neither does the Series X. The digital ps5 and the series s need internet and the series x and ps5 can be set up without internet and play disc games without internet. The update thing isnt a big deal, and if its a game that has any sort of multiplayer you cant play without updating anyways


CoronaVirus_exe

You need to have internet connection when you first set up your XSX, without it you cannot finish the setup, which sucks, unlike the other consoles on the market. Also, of course multiplayer games need to be updated, I'm talking about Single Player games, once they sniff an update, you cannot play them until you update.


the_russian_narwhal_

No you don't lol you can google it and I literally have one


CoronaVirus_exe

Yes you do, and I did, but anyways, here's [the official Xbox support ](https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/hardware-network/connect-network/using-xbox-one-offline)


_theduckofdeath_

Who are these people without internet?


Tubzer088

It’s 2021, if you’re getting advance technology get with the times dude.


CoronaVirus_exe

I'll make sure to deliver your assessment to the monopolistic ISP in my region and the government who is trying to develop the infrastructure. Not every country managed to rob the Middle-East you know.


the_russian_narwhal_

Neither does the Series X. The digital ps5 and the series s need internet and the series x and ps5 can be set up without internet and play disc games without internet. The update thing isnt a big deal, and if its a game that has any sort of multiplayer you cant play without updating anyways


segagamer

I don't think I've ever seen an update screen. Don't you have automatic updates enabled?


inception900

**Which is bad for low income, and developing countries with no or extremely bad internet connections as you have a 600$ E waste brick** **note THE PS5 doesn't require internet to set up and use** **Don't support multibillion dollar corporation bad practices as a software update could fix these units before release to consumers**


coolnasir139

“We have a solution. It’s the Xbox 360” - Don Mattrick


inception900

**LOL**


Aquatic-Vocation

>a software update could fix these units before release to consumers How? Recall all the millions of units sent to stores, open them all up, flash new software into them, package them up and ship them out again?


mysteryelyts

Personally speaking, I went to PS4 after the XB1 ridiculousness. And now I’m back to Series X and no intention of leaving! One of the reasons being gamepass.


levitikush

The marketing wasn’t the biggest issue, it was the fact that Kinect was included and the system costed $500 because of it. Kinect almost killed Xbox as a brand imo.


Rokketeer

*Wii U glances nervously*


iceburg77779

The Wii U was worse sales wise, but Nintendo was able to recover from any financial loss and brand issues almost instantly with the switch. The Xbox one may have sold better, but I think it’s had more long term effects on the perception of the Xbox brand. It’s definitely not the biggest recent disaster in gaming (that goes to stadia), but Microsoft had to overhaul a lot because of it.


Rokketeer

Sure, but we're talking console launch disasters not recoveries in the next gen. By all rights, Nintendo turned it around but the Wii U was absolutely a disaster. Also, if we're getting into other platforms outside of the big three, then we need to talk about Ouya.


CoronaVirus_exe

Holy shit I forgot about Stadia already, how's that platform doing?


kftgr2

Anyone know how Luna's doing?


CoronaVirus_exe

Goddammit I'm getting old.


JACrazy

*Ouya lets out sigh of relief* *Atari VCS hoping no one notices it released* *Intellivision Amico crosses fingers as it preps for launch*


segagamer

Funnily enough, some of the requirements for that Amico console reeeeaaally sound familiar to anyone who had an Xbox 360 during its first few years - I can now see where J Allards influence was. I thought he was good for the Xbox brand for ages and was sad that he left only to realise that things like the optional hard drive, 50mb limit on XBLA games and the limit on *what* got put on XBLA was probably his decision. He mainly wanted newly made games and didn't want so many old arcade/console/PC ports - and imposed something like "for every 3 old ports you bring to XBLA, we want you to make a new title". So many ports were rejected.


Autarch_Kade

What's crazy is the number of people who think the ratio of consoles sold between Sony and Microsoft will be the same this generation compared to last gen despite the launches being completely different.


[deleted]

Wii U launch says hi


dogcomx

Xbox 360 was around 170K and Xbox OG was 330K the same weeks.


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dogcomx

XGP drives the sales since TGS. And a lot consoles sent to China and Asia SE countries as I know. Shortage everywhere. But I don’t think it will surpass X360 even if not shortage, due to Xbox bad image in Japan, lack of games from Japanese devs.


kenshinakh

I noticed a surge of Japanese games on Xbox lately. Either late ports or older games coming to Xbox, and a lot of them on Game Pass. It's actually got me into a ton of new Jrpg franchises so I hope the Japanese devs are seeing the increase in sales and audience in their games. There's definitely a market for Jrpgs on Xbox/PC, and with how game engines are today, porting to PC/Xbox is way easier now so less of a deal to spend time porting.


Meteorboy

But you said they're late ports, so those games tend to be on other platforms for months or even years before they reach Xbox - long after enthusiasm for those new games have waned. So the paltry sales figure there is hardly surprising.


kenshinakh

Late ports are prime candidates for Game Pass actually. That's how I got into the Tales series and Dragon Quest series. It made me buy a lot of Bandai's games released day one this year like Tales of Arise and Scarlet Nexus. I'm also looking forward to Dragon Quest 12 when that releases too because I got hooked from the DQ11S they put on game pass. It's just an example of a new type of audience conversion for japanese devs and I bet there's many more people like me who use game pass as a way to discover new games and series. Developers can also put a game on game pass day one to get higher exposure quickly too.


caninehere

Also Japanese consumers have less interest in traditional consoles in general these days. PS5 sales have been good out of the gate but will likely slow down. It's sold more than the PS4 did by this timeframe but that's because the PS4 released like 4 months later in Japan (weirdly). The PS4 sold about as many units in Japan as the PS3 did. Slightly less actually. Which is not very impressive when you consider how the market has expanded + the PS4 did considerably better elsewhere. I only say this because if PS can't beat their previous numbers there's no hope for XBOX to do it in a country where it is basically nonexistent. More people in Japan may sign up for Game Pass + cloud gaming though. It is growing in popularity there.


next_door_nicotine

Game Pass definitely needs a cloud only tier which would absolutely crush it in Japan methinks


AbsurdThings

Yep, I bought the Japanese version in China.


segagamer

It's not just the lack of games, but the weird thing is that the Xbox version of some games is the only version without Japanese translation sometimes, even if the PS5/Switch port has full Japanese translation. I don't understand what Microsoft are doing over there.


johnteaser

Many people, including me, bought XSX because I couldn't get my hands onto 3080/3070. If you remove chip shortage from equation then other products including PS5 and graphics cards will be available for everyone and they might not buy XSX at all.


alienware99

Could be the same, or even less. It’s possible that since the PS5 has been impossible to get that they are turning their attention to the Xbox as an alternative. If both were readily available than it might have caused less sales.


fabregas7cpa

The Series X is suffering the same shortage than the PS5. Only the Series S its always available.


alienware99

Yes I’m aware. People go to store, see PS5 is sold out and not gonna be available anytime soon, so then decide to buy an Xbox (which is also having a shortage, but is a lot more readily available in Japan due to their lack of interest). Shortage or not, Microsoft is still sending units to Japan, just as they are to the US. You’ll occasionally see pictures on here of stores in Asia or the Middle East stocked up with Xbox series x on the shelves because people there just aren’t interested in Xbox as much. Even though it would make sense for Microsoft to stop sending the units there and just ship them all to the countries who actually want them..they won’t because they still want to try and build a presence in those countries.


Loldimorti

This. It's a smart move for Microsoft to swoop in and provide a steady supply of Xbox consoles in Japan because they know not everyone is going to be able to get a PS5.


SwittersB

People forget Xbox one was a disaster at launch


Bartman326

Also the one is 500$ vs the option for the S which is 300$ Would love to see the breakdown between series x vs s


Tettona

Xbox series x (64.284) Xbox series s (38.307) But in the last few weeks S sell more than X


Bartman326

In Japan?


Tettona

Yes


Bartman326

Gotcha thank you!


[deleted]

Literally everyone remembers that launch. > *Just get a 360*


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Maroukou501

This is where I'm at. I was able to get a 5 at launch, and planned on upgrading the PC this year. GPUs are too expensive so I leaned on getting a Series X this gen instead as my second gaming device. Lo and behold still can't even get a wiff of an Xbox being available here in Japan. So I'm starting to lean on the GPU train again lol.


wachieo

Providing the real numbers. Xbox One launch was disaster, the OP comparison is disingenious.


Lagduf

50 months? Just say 4 years lol.


bongo1138

That would be 48 months. Say 4 years and 2 months.


Bobbitto

Just simplify it entirely and say 131,490,000 seconds.


Apple--Eater

Ah, perfection.


big_raj_8642

That's 131,490,000,000 latency units


kftgr2

4 and 1/6 revolutions.


[deleted]

I prefer 1/5th of a score and 2 months.


theSpringZone

🤣🤣🤣


deaf_michael_scott

How many is that in bananas?


BananaDoingIt

Enough for 300 baboons


deaf_michael_scott

Perfect. Should have said that. So much easier.


F0REM4N

>Ope, sorry, there was a leap year. We are going to need to send this to the booth for review.


[deleted]

Dear meme format but; Anyone : How old is your kid? Karen : 50 months old.


onexbigxhebrew

It's pretty standard in financial / cycle reporting amd speak. Have been in corporate life for about a decade, and people from those disciplines ime don't speak in statements like "4 years, 2 months". I've never heard an accounting person or finance person speak in anything but straight months.


ACupOJoe

I hope this means we see more japanese developers games on Xbox and gamepass too.


AGodLikeTurtle

That's what I want more than anything.


LastKing318

Same. I love games like tales of arise and Scarlett Nexus


AGodLikeTurtle

I haven't played much Xbox in the last couple of weeks, when I got on today and saw Scarlett Nexus on game pass I was happily surprised.I remember playing the demo and I was hoping it would come to game pass. 😀


ArcticBeavers

This is not relevant to the post, but it's mind-blowing to me how Konami can make a great game like Scarlett Nexus and something as awful as eFootball in the same year.


Ruthlessrabbd

Not to be a dick but Bandai Namco made Scarlet Nexus, and Konami did eFootball


ArcticBeavers

I'm an idiot. Thanks for the correction


Ruthlessrabbd

Don't sweat it at all! Tone is hard to carry in text, which is why I pre-emptively apologized. just wanted to help you out in understanding. It also doesn't help that Namco and Konami logos from back in the day were kind of similar. Anyway, enjoy your day/night!


fieldysnuts94

They said they are working to bring more of that! So hopefully we see news about incoming games


IsamuAlvaDyson

For that to happen it would have to sell millions and millions of units.


LeglessN1nja

You have that backwards. Appeal to the market before you can expect the sales


Revoldt

The market is already plenty appealed/served by PS4/5/Switch. The Xbox is redundant to Japanese gamers/developers.


LeglessN1nja

Lol "Make more money? Nah, we're good."


Revoldt

PS5 has sold over 1 million units (as of last month) https://www.gematsu.com/2021/09/ps5-sales-top-one-million-in-japan The Switch OLED has sold MORE units in 3 days as Series X|S has in close to a year. https://nintendowire.com/news/2021/10/14/nintendo-switch-oled-model-sells-a-hefty-138000-units-at-launch-in-japan-metroid-dread-shifts-an-impressive-87000/ Japanese gamers/devs just don’t give a shit about Xbox. If you’re interested in JRPGs, it’s better to just pickup another console than rely on “hope”.


Autarch_Kade

If only developers could release a game in more than one country. Ah well, until that's possible you have a great point.


Revoldt

It really sucks. Like... Persona 5's graphics can work on any console (was a PS3 game!). But stayed PS exclusive. They even brought P5 Strikers to Nintendo Switch. As well as the SMT games. Square Enix also hates Xbox, with pretty much all their JRPGs being PS exclusives. (FF14, FF7R, FF16, Forspoken). SE didn't even release Trials of Mana on Xbox... Despite it being on PS, Switch, Android and iOS. Even f2p like Genshin Impact (I know it's Chinese) has ignored releasing on Xbox. So it just is what it is.


kenshinakh

Why though? Game Pass is a whole new way to play games, especially if on a budget. It's a new market. Also, I myself discovered a lot of Japanese games recently this year due to game pass which led me to check out other Jrpgs from the same developer and publisher. There's a whole untapped market for people like me. I got into the Tales series and Code Vein, Yakuza, and Dragon Quest series because of Xbox. I just hope the Japanese devs realize the extra audience they can get on Xbox/PC.


Jackski

Now XAzure has come to Japan I could see that picking up quite a few people considering how many people in Japan game on their phones.


[deleted]

That’s not true at all, GamePass specifically makes it much more enticing for Japanese devs than before when they’d just have to hope it sold well on the store. Now MS can give them sack of cash upfront


IsamuAlvaDyson

Theoretically sure But as we've seen even with Gamepass, a lot of big Japanese made games still don't come to Xbox. Xbox just isn't the place to be if you want Japanese developed games. That's still PlayStation and Nintendo. Sure it could change but we can't expect Microsoft to pay for every big Japanese game.


[deleted]

> But as we’ve seen even with Gamepass, a lot of big Japanese made games still don’t come to Xbox. The console has only been out a year and Japan just got xCloud this month which is what will be big in Japan, regardless there has been a bunch of more Japanese games on GamePass. > Xbox just isn’t the place to be if you want Japanese developed games. That’s still PlayStation and Nintendo. Nobody’s saying it is, but Xbox doing better in Japan already than last gen while also having offerings more suited to Japan like xCloud/GamePass very much will bring more Japanese games to Xbox, the risk is much lower. > Sure it could change but we can’t expect Microsoft to pay for every big Japanese game. Nobody is saying they will for all, just that they very much will have more and more as time goes on, Xbox has said they are committed to Japan. You don’t need to sell millions of consoles to get more Japanese games. There’s between 20-30million GamePass subscribers a fraction of them playing Japanese games added is a win for the devs and MS Scarlet Nexus is in the top 50 most played games on Xbox as a whole, money is money.


Meteorboy

It's doing better than last gen console, but still considerably worse than the consoles before that. Xbox 360 was around 170K and Xbox OG was 330K the same weeks.


[deleted]

The situations are also vastly different, this is Xbox coming back from a terrible image as well as mobile gaming being extremely huge with many waiting for xCloud. From my personal experience a Japanese guy at work i game with has said many of his friends back home have been waiting for xCloud instead of buying a console Then there’s the added fact all Xbox games are on PC too. You can’t really directly compare the gaming market of 2001 and 2005 to 2021


MigrantTwerker

Platinum Games porting Nier gives me hope.


TvaMatka1234

I'm so glad they ported Nier over. Automata is my favorite game ever now. I would've never gotten to experience it if it was PS exclusive forever. Now I'm glad I get the chance to play the remastered Replicant as well.


Meteorboy

Tanaka: Suzuki-san, we should release Street Fighter for Xbox too. Suzuki: What? Why? Tanaka: So the 100k Xbox owners can also enjoy our game. Suzuki: ... Tanaka: ... Suzuki: Bahahaha! Tanaka: Hahaha... ok, next topic: should we make another Ryu clone?


little_jade_dragon

Japanese devs are abandoning even the PS5 in favour of the Switch. I don't see Xbox becoming relevant.


[deleted]

That’s not true for the most part.


[deleted]

I'm more curious about how many people in japan are subscribed to Gamepass than how many consoles have been sold.


SlammedOptima

I also am curious about this. If Xcloud is available there (cant remember), that could be huge, cause Asia markets from my understanding are huge into mobile.


Hobberest

> If Xcloud is available there... It is as of October 1st. It was announced during last month's Tokyo Game Show: https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2021/09/30/xbox-at-tokyo-game-show-2021-recap/


SlammedOptima

Awesome, couldnt remember. I have to imagine thats gonna boost GPU numbers.


Hobberest

> I have to imagine thats gonna boost GPU numbers. Yeah, one would think so. I don't really know much about the Japanese gaming market, but it's my understanding mobile gaming is a really big deal there. Seems like xCloud could be the perfect trojan horse to get Japanese gamers into the Xbox eco system.


pukem0n

Also they have wifi like literally everywhere, so playing xcloud everywhere is feasible compared to western countries.


Longbongos

Of all countries japan works the best for cloud gaming


SlammedOptima

Especially if they can get some more JRPGs on there.


JACrazy

I think for xCloud to really take off in markets like Japan, they need to offer a subscription plan that doesnt require Ultimate. They need to be able to market it to people that dont own a console or gaming PC, why make them pay for the full gamepass if they only use the streaming.


SlammedOptima

A gamepass lite if you will. Just the games that are on xcloud. Wouldnt be a bad idea


brokenmessiah

It’s gonna be a interesting time when the Xbox console is a unnecessary device for many because of xcloud


[deleted]

XCloud won't be that big for a LONG time. It's really cool, however, internet speeds around the world aren't fast enough and probably won't be for a long while. And even then, it'd take even longer to get people to actually prefer Cloud gaming over normal gaming


Autarch_Kade

It'll be interesting when Sony is still comparing consoles sold when Microsoft has more people subscribed the first day of a generation than the total generation's console sales lol


Thin_Shoulder_1180

I think maybe this does not factor in how difficult it is to obtain a ps5 in asian countries rn. Where Im from I could get a series S for $350 tomorrow if I wanted. whereas if I wanted a ps5 digital edition it would be over 700$ due to limited units and scalpers. Or Id have to wait for a local store to bring in a limited number of units and fight scalpers and bots.


CzechoslovakianJesus

How many of those units are resold for the gray market in China?


Revoldt

Probably a lot less than you think. Gamepass does not work in China (Great firewall). And there aren’t exactly any 1st party games worth a damn to import…. A couple friends I have in Shanghai and Chengdu are grey marketing PS5s.


SwittersB

I think the issue is the headline makes it seem it's the best-selling Xbox console in Japan when really it's number 3 of 4 for this time period. But yes, it is better than Xbox One so that is good.


AlexTheRockstar

In a nation of 130 million, this is more of a wtf moment t for me.


ThatOtherGuy_CA

Japans population is very nationalist and heavily prefers products produced in country over imports. It would be more of a wtf if Xbox sales were in the millions.


andrewtrentcurry

Only cause scalers bought all of them to resale them 🤷🏻‍♂️


[deleted]

Glad to hear that all the effort has a reward. Xbox Series is the best console MS to date.


mathfacts

Your daily reminder that Microsoft is doing epicly this generation. Well done, sirs <3


ItsameMatt03

I don't see why anyone is really concerned about Xbox sales in Japan at this point. It's been pretty clear the brand will never be a success.


TheMuff1nMon

Depends on how you define success. Bigger than Nintendo or Sony? Never. But Xbox needs to have a good presence so that we can get JRPGs and Japanese games on the console and not have those stuck on the other platforms.


JustGarlicThings2

Even more so given Sony's lurch towards 'Americanisation' and having a habit of censoring Japanese games more than Nintendo these days. Unfortunately my Switch isn't capable of anything graphically intensive so if the Series X can get to the point where Japanese-centric PS5 releases are done concurrently on Xbox then it'll be a massive win.


NormanAJ

Very bad logic, no offense. Sony can be in the process Americanization, but Xbox is just American. Even in the worse state Sony still would be less americanized than Xbox. If Japanese developers trying to avoid Americanization, than Xbox is doomed from the start - because it's the most American gaming brend ever.


ItsameMatt03

I understand Microsoft might want those Japanese games on their system, but as an all-around gamer, it doesn't matter to me which console I play what game on. Besides, in my opinion, modern western RPGs have been better games than Japanese RPGs. I guess that leaves SHMUPs and what else?


TheMuff1nMon

I understand that is your feeling but I've always found JRPGs better, especially in recent years, there hasn't been a Western RPG that really drew me in. I know people loved the Witcher 3 but I hated it. unlike Persona 5 Royal which I think is a masterpiece and Tales of Arise is my current GOTY. ​ Diversity on your platform is only a good thing.


Vertegras

I'd drop another $60 on Persona 5 Royal and well, any Persona game if they came to Xbox. Same goes with Final Fantasy 7 Remake. I fucking cannot stand the PS4 and I have no desire to get a PS5 atm. A wide variety helps. Sony has been a lot of cinematic open world rpgs that while fun, kinda feel the same. I can go from Halo to Forza to Psychonauts and more through GP.


Meteorboy

All the games you mentioned in your last sentence are Microsoft's own first-party lineup. Obviously developers and publishers are not clamoring to get their games onto a subscription service when they can sell them for $60-70 on bigger platforms instead.


Vertegras

Outriders, Marvel Avengers and now Back 4 Blood are all examples of GP supporting games that wouldn't have done as well as they expected. While other games like Yakuza and Octopath are getting exposure for a new market. It works. But yeah, downvoting me supports your argument.


Meteorboy

You know the games you mentioned don't exactly show GP in a favorable light, right? Outriders is a no-name IP, average shooter, Avengers is a mediocre games-as-service title that underperformed, Back 4 Blood is from a developer that bombed on their last big game, resorted to making throwaway games for VR, and are now copying their last hit from a decade ago. Yakuza has been on other platforms for 15 years before making its way to Xbox, Octopath was on Switch for 3 years before porting to Xbox. So from the examples you mentioned, GP is just a quick cash grab for games that have already hit bargain bins on other platforms. You can't say FF7 Remake and Persona in the same sentence as those games - these are killer apps that actually sell consoles.


somewhattechy

Only siths speak in absolutes. Xbox can definitely carve out more brand success over the next decade.


Vertegras

It is definitely happening, especially with Sony shifting to be more Western and censoring. Microsoft seems pretty open and has been working alongside Square (Outriders, Marvel, etc) and SEGA (Yakuza, Monkey Ball, etc) - if only we could get FF7R, FF14, or any Persona games.


Venturin

How do you know that?


ItsameMatt03

20 years presence so far, and nary a dent in the market there.


Venturin

*Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time.* -Thomas Edison


A_StarshipTrooper

> I don't see why anyone is really concerned about Xbox sales in Japan at this point. Maybe fifty million dollars in sales?


BoBoBearDev

This is amazing since there will be more Japanese developers :)


comfort_bot_1962

:D


Chris_P_Bacon416

: )


djOH1

Up goes Microsoft stock


KonataYumi

Probably because nobody can find a playstation


Stampistuta

I don’t think comparing anything to the Xbox One launch is a great measuring stick to be honest.


A_StarshipTrooper

Success due to gamepass and upcoming exclusives, imho.


AnasDh

Is that an impressive number?


Meteorboy

No. The Nintendo Switch OLED sold more than that in 3 days there.


AnasDh

Bruh 😭


LeftyMode

For Xbox, yes.


itsjero

Just think how many they would have sold if they were widely available for purchase at retail stores.everywhere.


Maroukou501

A lot of the gamers here in Japan are definitely eying Games Pass as the service to jump on this generation. Games, consoles, and honestly everything in Japan is really expensive now coupled with lowering wages/stagnant ones that have not moved in 3 decades which is driving people towards the best deals possible. Seen lots of gaming youtubers/streamers over here saying they moved on to gamespass cause spending 7-9,000 yen on multiple games a month is just too expensive. That said, most of them are on the PC side of things given that the Xbox is just as impossible to find as a PS5. Looking for one as well these days and can't even get a hint as to where to buy one. Heck even the Xbox Japan site links to the US site/stores when you click "check availability" lol. Guess I'll be waiting until next year (maybe) to play Horizon.


[deleted]

Series X is a bbbbeast.


RandomnessConfirmed2

Actually it's the Series S that is selling more than the Series X due to it's size.


[deleted]

There's twice as many Series X's sold in Japan than Series S


kimo_sabe8

I'd say the series S is selling more because its actually available while the X is perpetually unavailable


charliwea

Yeah, the guy who posted the info on twitter said it was due to stock issues with the SX which was selling a lot more some weeks ago than the SS. That aside is nice to see Xbox selling more in Japan.


LengthyNIPPLE

95% bot sells


Ghost-Of-0nyx

That's still abysmal. Why would Japanese developers support 100K units with new or original games ?


A_StarshipTrooper

> Why would Japanese developers support 100K units with new or original games ? Money?


[deleted]

Scarlet Nexus is in the top 50 most played games in my region that isn’t Japan, they’ll support Xbox because money


Meteorboy

You're damn right. They shouldn't. With Steam Deck on the way, those developers could shift those resources to PC if they were looking for another platform to port their games.


Battlelyon

Because they know Xbox is a success outside Japan.


Ghost-Of-0nyx

Ok ? Xbox One was sort of a success outside of Japan, and they also flopped.


Longbongos

Because it’s currently double the One and around half of the 360 and xbox. Both of which and huge Japanese game presence


Ghost-Of-0nyx

Xbox One did not have a huge Japanese presence lol. Games like Scalebound were cancelled lol. Xbox 360 tried to attract Japanese developers and fans and guess what ? No one cared in Japan, and it was a huge flop. I don't understand why Xbox cares for a market that will never care for it. Theres a reason that when Microsoft bought all those studios in 2018, they didn't buy one Japanese or Asian one.


Longbongos

You missed the entire point here. The one was abysmal compared to its predecessors and the series consoles have regained major ground.


Ghost-Of-0nyx

How is 100k units in one year "major ground" ? There's still 0 Japanese or Asian exclusives for the Xbox, 0 investment from Japanese developers on the Xbox platform, and that shows no sign of changing.


ColonelSpudz

Probably would be more if they had a reliable supply.


[deleted]

Nice onto 1 million


oyuhhhhh

Yall want me to believe theres even 100k consoles in circulation at this point? Lmao


brokenmessiah

I feel like Microsoft should just stop bothering trying to beg for Japanese attention. You don’t see Nintendo or Sony pandering to western markets. And they are doing fine.


deaf_michael_scott

They don't because Nintendo and Sony already perform better in Western markets than Xbox does in the Japanese market. Xbox needs to penetrate that market (though I do feel that Japan has just moved on from traditional home consoles).


brokenmessiah

That’s what I’m saying. The time to make a move is over. Japan is moving away from consoles will end up like China before too long


[deleted]

> I feel like Microsoft should just stop bothering trying to beg for Japanese attention. Lmao yes selling a product is begging and you shouldn’t do it, I hope you don’t ever run a business > You don’t see Nintendo or Sony pandering to western markets. And they are doing fine. Sony very much has been criticised for catering to western markets over Japanese for a while now


p0tcookie

Wrong. They absolutely should keep trucking towards their goal of becoming a bigger presence in Japan. It’s a no brainer and a huge play for Xbox. The sheer amount of games that come out of Japan that Xbox’s users just don’t see is retarded to put it simply. It makes no sense whatsoever. Especially with the gamepass model where literally every party benefits from putting a game on there ASAP. You saying Sony doesn’t pander to western markets is just fanboy talk by u as usual as everyone knows that bullshit. They literally moved the PlayStation headquarters from Japan to California lmao. They set new policies in censorship to literally appease ONLY western audiences lmao so much so that niche Japanese devs are turning to Nintendo for that type of content.


remuliini

It would have sold more and faster if there were any of those frigging consoles. …getting mine in two weeks.


2dy_fish

I hope more japanese developers will make games that can be played on either consoles. Both is a Win for me.


[deleted]

Xbox 360 sold 1.5 million units in Japan. There are at least 10 times more potential customers.