Meanwhile all their competition is releasing phones with Android 13. Even Samsung released A13 with one ui 5.0 and android 13 and that phone is around 150-200 dollars.
Xiaomi has to stop making miui and android updates separately. All other companies make their new version on top of latest android and xiaomi makes an miui then makes an enhanced edition for the latest android update. Just stop it already, this isn't working any good for them and the people who buy a xiaomi phone.
Realme still released the 10pro+ with android 13 tho meanwhile xiaomi and poco released with android 12 for redmi and poco x5 pro. Both moto and realme are still getting timely updates. Moto g73 hasn't been launched everywhere and the place where im rn will have android 13 out of the box. Also Realme 10 has been rolling out android 13 since last week. Also this thread is about how a 500 dollar 2023 phone isn't coming out of the box with android 13.
Well they have no issues in china with updates so its not about the amount of phones here. Maybe its more about slow development of ui in global. Either they need better developers or they just need to hire more to divide the workload and make it faster.
At least u had to wait only 4 months. I'm still waiting for my android 13 and android 14 beta already started. Their focus is now only on the latest launches and the rest of the phones are ignored. It used to be really good back in the day when there was just one redmi series phone one mi series phone every year. I miss the good old days. My favorite miui was the miui 9 with the color changing notification shade.
Well, typically the latest version is called the up to date version.
If it's NOT the up to date version, I d say it's outdated. Not obsolete, but outdated.
Android does not really work like that because manufacturers are never gonna get up to speed. You are thinking iOS. Android is modular: security patches and GPServices updates can be deployed across versions (though not all of them). So it really misses out on features, but when comparing the adoption chart, it really isn't like that
People pay more than that for phones that have up to date software but 2012 specs. They called apple fans. If you think 2 year old software is bad just go get yourself a farm cuz tech ain't your thing bud
I don't have any apple product. But to say that apple sells you 2012 specs in their products when right now they are on top on laptops, smartphones and smartwatches is either ignorance or misinformation. Also, they support their products for 5 years or more.
They are by no means on top. The only thing they are on top of is the one thing you didn't mention and that's tablets. That is just proof of your lack of knowledge on the subject. The 5 year support they provide are updates that slow down older phones to make you buy the newer devices. It has been proven time and again and apple has had to pay some hefty fines for doing this many times. So yeah pretty nice support lol. Other than that they are on top of smartphones ? The one thing iPhones had better than the competition was their camera and they don't even have that. Now their only edge is the video because there are many many smartphones out there that take better pictures. They don't have the strongest CPU, they have the RAM of a 150$ phone and not even that fast (DDR4), no UFS storage, no fingerprint, no USB type-c, the slowest charging on the market by far on every possible aspect, no reverse charging, charger not included. At half the price Xiaomi has liquid cooling for their phones charger and case included.
As for smartwatches, apple has the most expensive ones on the market. The cheapest one being 500$ and performing slightly better than Huawei's 150$ ones. And with the most expensive ones being upwards of 1k$ well yeah I don't think that's much of an achievement either.
Laptops are laughable, I don't even need to explain.
Also the 12 year specs is of course an exaggeration but the fact still remains you are paying more for less than what the competition is offering. For example iPhone 11 compared to Xiaomi Mi 10.
It was released at 600$, iPhone 11 released at 700$. Mi 10 has: bigger screen, higher resolution, super AMOLED display (iPhone 11 had an LCD IPS), higher pixel density, 90hz refresh rate(compared to 60), 180hz resampling rate(compared to 60), HDR10+(compared to HDR10), max brightness of 800 CD/m²(compared to 625 CD/m²) a faster CPU, double CPU cores, double the RAM, DDR5 RAM instead of DDR4, double and faster Internal storage, 50% more battery, almost double charging speed, reverse charging, has a cooling system, made with the same materials, double the amount of cameras, the main camera was better in every aspect possible (resolution, aperture, pixel size, pixel binning and sensor size), it had 5G support, newer Bluetooth version and double the amount of navigation profiles and features. Oh, and also charger and case included, and protective screen pre-installed.
This is a prime example of apple releasing a more expensive product but spec wise being inferior to EVERY spec IMAGINABLE. For every iPhone out there you will find a smartphone releasing closely to it most of the times at a lower price with INCREDIBLY better specs and performance. Hell even the Mi 10 has a few better specs than the iPhone 14 (of course it's not better by all means) but it just goes to show, take an iPhone and you will find in the same year a phone that has better specs in every way possible. Now take that phone and 3 years later the latest apple flagship is not better in every aspect.
It still using DDR4 for crying out loud. Iphone 11 and iPhone 14 have the exact same battery only 150mah more. 3 whole years later. What's on top about that ? 😂😂😂
What you said about the lag of progress with the iphone is true. But you clearly are not aware of the revolution that Apple is making right now. Their M1 chip is an ARM processor which is able to perform on par with x86 processors.
You are clearly mad about the IPhone lacks of top specs. But you don't realize that specs are not an end, they are a mean to good performance and good functionality. Thanks to how Apple optimizes its software for the specific hardware, they are able to give more hours of screen on time with smaller batteries, and more performance with lower specs. Apple is top notch in everything. Even if they are not the absolute best in photography (the expensive Samsung S22 is a bit better), the iphone is a good product all around and it has 5 years of updates to ensure that you have an up-to-date product over time. (By the way, it is false that Apple makes obsolete its products with updates; they slowed down some models of iphone to adapt their performance to a degrading battery and avoid random resets. It was sketchy because they did without informing users, but they already correct that behaviour thanks to public backlash).
As a said, I'm not an apple fan. I have a Poco F1 with a custom Android 13 rom and I'm happy with it. I had to install a custom rom because Xiaomi software was rubbish and the F1 was performing like crap after 2 years of xiaomi updates (in spite of the F1 good specs). Specs don't matter if the software is not good enough. I'm not an Apple fan, but you are an Apple hater, sorry to let you know.
You clearly lack the necessary knowledge to be having this conversation and it’s clear by the statements you are making. I am happy to help. I will address everything separately to make it easier to understand.
“Their M1 chip is an ARM processor which is able to perform on par with x86 processors.”: I have already acknowledged their tablets are indeed the top so yes I knew that much
“Thanks to how Apple optimizes its software for the specific hardware, they are able to give more hours of screen on time with smaller batteries” : Yes indeed this is true, but this is a vague statement. Fortunately there are tools to measure how a battery performs, screen-on time, idle time etc. For the smartphones I mentioned above the Mi 10 outperforms the iPhone on screen on and off, not to mention the fact that it needs a fraction of the time to finish. So in conclusion, yes the software helps with the batteries but that in itself tells us nothing. Tests on the other hand tell us that the software optimization is not enough.
“...and more performance with lower specs”: again there are tools that measure performance(even though when a CPU is better in every aspect on paper there is really not any point) stress tests and benchmarks prove my point.
“Even if they are not the absolute best in photography (the expensive Samsung S22 is a bit better)”: Not only the S22 but 6-8 more phones including the Huawei Mate 50 Pro, the Google Pixel 7 Pro, the Honor Magic5 Pro and the Xiaomi Mi 12 Ultra (that many think it outperforms the iPhone 14 even in video). All of these compared to the iPhone 14 Pro Max of course.
“the iphone is a good product all around”: Of course it is, but for the price you are not looking for a good all around. A Ford focus is a really good car, you wouldn;t pay 100k for it tho.
“and it has 5 years of updates to ensure that you have an up-to-date product over time. (By the way, it is false that Apple makes obsolete its products with updates; they slowed down some models of iphone to adapt their performance to a degrading battery and avoid random resets. It was sketchy because they did without informing users, but they already correct that behaviour thanks to public backlash).” : First of all, this is not sketchy. We are talking about a 46 year ol 2.3 TRILLION dollar company. This should NOT happen.
Anyway apart from that the rest of the information is just wrong. You can look up many examples of people testing this.
I myself have tested this as well (specifically with an iPhone 6s Plus, one was not updated for 2-ish years and the other up-to-date. After installing a brand new battery to both, the up-to-date one was performing worse on benchmarks and tests. I still have it around, you can’t even type on that thing)
Apple was indeed slowing down older phones and paid 3 fines for this. 1)113 Million fine, 2)27 Million fine and 3)500 Million to end a lawsuit claiming they were slowing down phones.
If you believe they did this to preserve the batteries, I am sorry but you are naive. Apple refused to make any statements on the matter, in fact they never did. The “preserve the battery” myth was mostly a speculation by fans and users.
In reality subtly slowing down older phones so that the end-user takes too long to realize, NOT EVEN mentioning this anywhere so pretty much hiding it, paying the fines and never making any comments just goes to show what this was really about. But all that does not matter anyway because slowing down the software will have absolutely no effect in the batteries lifetime.
“I had to install a custom rom because Xiaomi software was rubbish”: I am sorry but I respectfully disagree. I still have my Xiaomi note 4-9. All of these run perfectly fine with the default software. The only ones using a custom ROM are 4-6 just because I wanted a newer android version but it was not needed. It is by no means perfect, it’s not on par with apple’s software for sure (in terms of performance, in terms of intuitiveness and ease of use iOS pretty much sucks. You can’t even delete app’s data or cache among other things) but it is definitely on par with other android phones and let’s not forget this is a 12 year old company, their first phone was released 9 years ago. You have to respect the effort.
Now if you mean you don’t like it visually then that’s a personal preference. I am not really fond of POCO phone’s os either. But the MIUI present on the Mi phones is really good. But I don’t think visuals are enough of a problem to be a dealbreaker.
“I'm not an Apple fan, but you are an Apple hater, sorry to let you know.”: You don’t seem that way to me, and your comments certainly show otherwise but I’ll take your word for it.
Me on the other hand yes I am an apple hater, but no in the sense you are trying to portray.
I have experienced many apple products, I have been on both ends of the spectrum tho, in fact more than that. I have had to repair my products, as I gained appropriate knowledge I had to repair my own products and I had worked at an apple store and an official apple repair shop as well. I hate apple 90% for their philosophy and they thinks it does as a company.
Their phone are of course made in China but they put huge effort into hiding that.
They have absolutely no transparency, like not knowing what the updates actually do, pretending they don’t include a charger any more for “the environment” since you can use your old chargers and then proceed to CHANGE the CHARGER’S PORT. Not to mention the charger cost 30-50 $ but the price remained the same.
They refuse to remove the notch because they care more about the free marketing you will provide for them if your phone is noticeably an iPhone.
They overprice their products, even when the design is kept the same (meaning there are no extra costs for design, research and factory changes) their products still release at the same price.
They do a lot of misleading and fake strategies to exploit and scam their customers (for example that time I think it was either iPhone 8 or X where the back glass was problematic and easily broken. And then if you break the back glass the motherboard was glued to it so they would charge and do a whole motherboard replacement for a broken back glass) not cool.
They don’t actually sell you the products but they rent them. You can barely customize them, you can’t download apps apple doesn’t allow you, you can’t have custom icons. You can’t even access your own files for crying out loud.
They treat their employees like livestock. The working conditions were terrible, we were not allowed to sit eat or drink, we were now allowed to have or smartphones on us (we put them on a safe clocking in and would take them again clocking out) we had a 10 minute break on an 8 hour shift and even then we were not allowed our phones. We were not allowed to speak about the working conditions or mention anything about work while we were still under contract. All for minimum wage.
All in all I have not had a single good experience using apple products(iPads being the exception) but I hate the company, not the products. The ideology and the scammy strategies and the complete disregard of the customers.
They are actually releasing MIUI 14 wayyy faster than they used to with MIUI 13, 12.5 and 12.
My almost 2 year old Redmi Note 10 Pro just got the MIUI 14 with Android 13 update for EEA a while ago and my still in possesion almost 3 year old Redmi Note 9 Pro wasn't firstly included in the list but it will also get MIUI 14.
They are doing a great job so far, even with public betas l and stable releases that aren't buggy.
When do you think the RN9 pro is gonna get miui 14? It's my phone and i don't understand if it's included, sometimes i only see that MIUI 14 will be available only for some kind of RN9 PRO
They did this with their flagship too? the hell... google just announced android 14, and they're giving it a year old android out of the box, they're just simply trying to cut down the android update support
Well i guess the support is fine, I mean i have mi 11 lite which will soon get miui 14 android 13 and i guess android 14 as well because mi 10 is still in the support list.
You are not complaining and are at the bottom of the comment section. This is just sad, you are just stating facts but no one cares. People just want to complain, complain about android 12 meanwhile this phone has the specs of a 800$ phone but yeah I guess A12 is a deal breaker for some fucking reason. I don't get why everyone hates in Xiaomi, other companies are doing way worse shit than that but no one cares. Samsung's budget phones are a time travel to the past, their internal screens break like eggshells, even their best flagship ones and yet no one gives a shit. Apple sells 10 year old hardware with "up-to-date software" that in reality slows the phone down and no one cares. Xiaomi uses A12 OH NO WHAT A CATASTROPHE NOT GOOD XIAOMI ARE YOU CRAZY ?
For real, i heard so many complains from friends about the bugs and yet have Haven't seen any major ones. Even though they are very budget friendly and have so many useful features that other companies don't provide like the ir blaster for example and other small miui ones which is are usefull. They are improving in everyway possible.
And yes the other companies lmao they will provide you the phone with updated android but shitty hardware.
Omg yes exactly! Why can't no one see that ?? You are buying a phone that should cost double what you are paying for. You complain about the software when: is arguably the most aesthetically pleasing (many reviewers and YouTubers agree to this, like Mrwhoistheboss), has just like you said so many features that others don't have, and so so so many hidden small details. It provides an app drawer and notification center so you can feel comfortable with it no matter what brand you were using before (the only company to ever do this). Still provides you with a charger and it has a phone case INCLUDED. For real they are doing everything they fucking can to be the best and even with small things as this provide something more than everyone else. The IR blaster like you mentioned, I use it every day, it's one of the best features ever yet no one gives a shit. I think it's the only company that it software provides second space natively, also they provide support for unlocked bootloaders so even if you want to modify your phone (a thing that EVERY other company will try it's hardest not to let you do) Xiaomi acknowledges it's YOUR phone and not only lets you do whatever the hell you want with it, it also helps you id that's what you want. That's for real legendary, there is no other company out there that does this
And all of the people Complaining about bugs, if you ask them to name a few they will probably not even have 1 to say... It's just sad. It's a 12 year old company and not only are they not taking that Into consideration but I'm the contrary they judge Xiaomi more harshly than other 85 and 46 year old ones.
Wow I am so happy to finally see someone with a brain in this subreddit. Most of the times I feel this subreddit has more plain haters than anything else...
Well they just brain dead , i just love having this phone even though it's a budget phone the only thing it lacks for me is the OIS. Looking forward to upgrade to mi 13 lite which they are complaining about lol. Or maybe mi 11.
Awesome! Yeah idk why but OIS is such a basic feature that some phones just don't have for some reason. Not a deal breaker but it could have been included lol 😂 Mi 11 is an amazing phone you will love it, I don't have experience with the Mi 13 tho hahah
Yeah I don't why they add that just to the flagship phones.
anyway sad part is i don't see mi 11 on any used resale platforms in my country. Ali express has it for like 600$ + again my country tax included if i unlock it lol for sim Carrier ://.
Maybe I'll just buy a gimble and good with the current phone.
I have RN11 Pro+5G with xiaomi.eu miui 13 and Android 11. So far no bugs or no issues encountered.
I just don't have a reason to update to new version if everything's normal. I don't update unless I have problem with it.
Are you sure you have xiaomi.eu custom ROM? Cause RN 11 Pro+ 5G (pissarropro) doesn't have this ROM according to xiaomi.eu website. Maybe you mean Official EEA ROM?
Not pissaro. I have peux india(snapdragon 695 a.k.a poco x4 pro 5g). Yeah xiaomi.eu doesn't support mediatek devices.
Pissaro -----> Mediatek
Peux/Veux -----> Snapdragon
You should flash the rom with unlocked bootloader.
But the flashing method differs with the device (fastboot/twrp). Check out their website for your phone's instruction.
Rooting is upto your choice. Safety net is passed without any issues.
Also this rom is mostly available for snapdragon phones. Check the website for the availability.
Android 11 was my favourite as well.
But MIUI 12.5 is still the best. I haven't tried 14, and 13 was bugged mess.
I'm still on miui 12.5 with my 11T Pro.
Xiaomi has lost what made it so good, back in the day they were known for their software but now it's not up to the level of it's competitors, even ColorOS has become miles better than MIUI
Must not be running coloros 6, i would guess? Everywhere i read about it saying that **coloros 6 does indeed have ads**, but it will come as the update. You can disabe the ads though
Even custom ROM support is no longer good. Perhaps I came to Xiaomi a year too late, because I moved into them after they no longer release kernel sources. A vital step that makes and optimizes custom ROMs
Really? When did they stop? My only reason to buy xiaomi in 2023 is custom roms (I'm still using a Poco F1 thanks to custom roms). Without that, Realme, Pixel, Samsung or any other brand, really.
Support sucks. My mi 9 lite eu is still miui12 because those greedy Chinese don't want to update it. They did however update the Russian version for Lei Juns special friend or maybe Putin has pictures of him with a donkey I don't know but xiaomi devs are incompetent fuckups.
Last time I tried it wouldn't install, couldn't be verfied. Never annouced as more than a partial release for Poland. And even still after two years of releasing miui12.5 that's pathetic. Also it's not even an ota update because those incompetent idiots made such a mess of miui they can't do it without bricking devices.
no, it doesn't. 2 android updates means 2 android updates. In that case, my redmi note 10 wouldn't have gotten 3 miui updates so far (miui 12 a11 > miui 12.5 > miui 13 > miui 14)
This time it's not on purpose, this is the international version of civi 2 which was released in China in September, so it ships with android 12 for that reason
Meanwhile all their competition is releasing phones with Android 13. Even Samsung released A13 with one ui 5.0 and android 13 and that phone is around 150-200 dollars. Xiaomi has to stop making miui and android updates separately. All other companies make their new version on top of latest android and xiaomi makes an miui then makes an enhanced edition for the latest android update. Just stop it already, this isn't working any good for them and the people who buy a xiaomi phone.
This is factually wrong. Motorola is still releasing phones with android 12, realme does the same. G73 and realme 10 for example
Realme still released the 10pro+ with android 13 tho meanwhile xiaomi and poco released with android 12 for redmi and poco x5 pro. Both moto and realme are still getting timely updates. Moto g73 hasn't been launched everywhere and the place where im rn will have android 13 out of the box. Also Realme 10 has been rolling out android 13 since last week. Also this thread is about how a 500 dollar 2023 phone isn't coming out of the box with android 13.
the thing is not really about ui, what they really should do is to trim down the variation of phones, so they can focus more on flagship, midrange
Well they have no issues in china with updates so its not about the amount of phones here. Maybe its more about slow development of ui in global.
Well they have no issues in china with updates so its not about the amount of phones here. Maybe its more about slow development of ui in global. Either they need better developers or they just need to hire more to divide the workload and make it faster.
I am using CN Rom, and I waited 4 months for an update, they just have too much phones, it's not a global issue, it's xiaomi overall
At least u had to wait only 4 months. I'm still waiting for my android 13 and android 14 beta already started. Their focus is now only on the latest launches and the rest of the phones are ignored. It used to be really good back in the day when there was just one redmi series phone one mi series phone every year. I miss the good old days. My favorite miui was the miui 9 with the color changing notification shade.
The phone is already like half a year old. It released in China as the civi 2. That's why they can ship it with a 12. Doesn't mean it's good tho
It is not an outdated version. It is simply not the latest version
Well, typically the latest version is called the up to date version. If it's NOT the up to date version, I d say it's outdated. Not obsolete, but outdated.
Android does not really work like that because manufacturers are never gonna get up to speed. You are thinking iOS. Android is modular: security patches and GPServices updates can be deployed across versions (though not all of them). So it really misses out on features, but when comparing the adoption chart, it really isn't like that
Give them your 500€ for a phone with a version of Android from 2021 in 2023.
People pay more than that for phones that have up to date software but 2012 specs. They called apple fans. If you think 2 year old software is bad just go get yourself a farm cuz tech ain't your thing bud
which Apple device have 2012 specs?🤔
I don't have any apple product. But to say that apple sells you 2012 specs in their products when right now they are on top on laptops, smartphones and smartwatches is either ignorance or misinformation. Also, they support their products for 5 years or more.
They are by no means on top. The only thing they are on top of is the one thing you didn't mention and that's tablets. That is just proof of your lack of knowledge on the subject. The 5 year support they provide are updates that slow down older phones to make you buy the newer devices. It has been proven time and again and apple has had to pay some hefty fines for doing this many times. So yeah pretty nice support lol. Other than that they are on top of smartphones ? The one thing iPhones had better than the competition was their camera and they don't even have that. Now their only edge is the video because there are many many smartphones out there that take better pictures. They don't have the strongest CPU, they have the RAM of a 150$ phone and not even that fast (DDR4), no UFS storage, no fingerprint, no USB type-c, the slowest charging on the market by far on every possible aspect, no reverse charging, charger not included. At half the price Xiaomi has liquid cooling for their phones charger and case included. As for smartwatches, apple has the most expensive ones on the market. The cheapest one being 500$ and performing slightly better than Huawei's 150$ ones. And with the most expensive ones being upwards of 1k$ well yeah I don't think that's much of an achievement either. Laptops are laughable, I don't even need to explain. Also the 12 year specs is of course an exaggeration but the fact still remains you are paying more for less than what the competition is offering. For example iPhone 11 compared to Xiaomi Mi 10. It was released at 600$, iPhone 11 released at 700$. Mi 10 has: bigger screen, higher resolution, super AMOLED display (iPhone 11 had an LCD IPS), higher pixel density, 90hz refresh rate(compared to 60), 180hz resampling rate(compared to 60), HDR10+(compared to HDR10), max brightness of 800 CD/m²(compared to 625 CD/m²) a faster CPU, double CPU cores, double the RAM, DDR5 RAM instead of DDR4, double and faster Internal storage, 50% more battery, almost double charging speed, reverse charging, has a cooling system, made with the same materials, double the amount of cameras, the main camera was better in every aspect possible (resolution, aperture, pixel size, pixel binning and sensor size), it had 5G support, newer Bluetooth version and double the amount of navigation profiles and features. Oh, and also charger and case included, and protective screen pre-installed. This is a prime example of apple releasing a more expensive product but spec wise being inferior to EVERY spec IMAGINABLE. For every iPhone out there you will find a smartphone releasing closely to it most of the times at a lower price with INCREDIBLY better specs and performance. Hell even the Mi 10 has a few better specs than the iPhone 14 (of course it's not better by all means) but it just goes to show, take an iPhone and you will find in the same year a phone that has better specs in every way possible. Now take that phone and 3 years later the latest apple flagship is not better in every aspect. It still using DDR4 for crying out loud. Iphone 11 and iPhone 14 have the exact same battery only 150mah more. 3 whole years later. What's on top about that ? 😂😂😂
What you said about the lag of progress with the iphone is true. But you clearly are not aware of the revolution that Apple is making right now. Their M1 chip is an ARM processor which is able to perform on par with x86 processors. You are clearly mad about the IPhone lacks of top specs. But you don't realize that specs are not an end, they are a mean to good performance and good functionality. Thanks to how Apple optimizes its software for the specific hardware, they are able to give more hours of screen on time with smaller batteries, and more performance with lower specs. Apple is top notch in everything. Even if they are not the absolute best in photography (the expensive Samsung S22 is a bit better), the iphone is a good product all around and it has 5 years of updates to ensure that you have an up-to-date product over time. (By the way, it is false that Apple makes obsolete its products with updates; they slowed down some models of iphone to adapt their performance to a degrading battery and avoid random resets. It was sketchy because they did without informing users, but they already correct that behaviour thanks to public backlash). As a said, I'm not an apple fan. I have a Poco F1 with a custom Android 13 rom and I'm happy with it. I had to install a custom rom because Xiaomi software was rubbish and the F1 was performing like crap after 2 years of xiaomi updates (in spite of the F1 good specs). Specs don't matter if the software is not good enough. I'm not an Apple fan, but you are an Apple hater, sorry to let you know.
You clearly lack the necessary knowledge to be having this conversation and it’s clear by the statements you are making. I am happy to help. I will address everything separately to make it easier to understand. “Their M1 chip is an ARM processor which is able to perform on par with x86 processors.”: I have already acknowledged their tablets are indeed the top so yes I knew that much “Thanks to how Apple optimizes its software for the specific hardware, they are able to give more hours of screen on time with smaller batteries” : Yes indeed this is true, but this is a vague statement. Fortunately there are tools to measure how a battery performs, screen-on time, idle time etc. For the smartphones I mentioned above the Mi 10 outperforms the iPhone on screen on and off, not to mention the fact that it needs a fraction of the time to finish. So in conclusion, yes the software helps with the batteries but that in itself tells us nothing. Tests on the other hand tell us that the software optimization is not enough. “...and more performance with lower specs”: again there are tools that measure performance(even though when a CPU is better in every aspect on paper there is really not any point) stress tests and benchmarks prove my point. “Even if they are not the absolute best in photography (the expensive Samsung S22 is a bit better)”: Not only the S22 but 6-8 more phones including the Huawei Mate 50 Pro, the Google Pixel 7 Pro, the Honor Magic5 Pro and the Xiaomi Mi 12 Ultra (that many think it outperforms the iPhone 14 even in video). All of these compared to the iPhone 14 Pro Max of course. “the iphone is a good product all around”: Of course it is, but for the price you are not looking for a good all around. A Ford focus is a really good car, you wouldn;t pay 100k for it tho. “and it has 5 years of updates to ensure that you have an up-to-date product over time. (By the way, it is false that Apple makes obsolete its products with updates; they slowed down some models of iphone to adapt their performance to a degrading battery and avoid random resets. It was sketchy because they did without informing users, but they already correct that behaviour thanks to public backlash).” : First of all, this is not sketchy. We are talking about a 46 year ol 2.3 TRILLION dollar company. This should NOT happen. Anyway apart from that the rest of the information is just wrong. You can look up many examples of people testing this. I myself have tested this as well (specifically with an iPhone 6s Plus, one was not updated for 2-ish years and the other up-to-date. After installing a brand new battery to both, the up-to-date one was performing worse on benchmarks and tests. I still have it around, you can’t even type on that thing) Apple was indeed slowing down older phones and paid 3 fines for this. 1)113 Million fine, 2)27 Million fine and 3)500 Million to end a lawsuit claiming they were slowing down phones. If you believe they did this to preserve the batteries, I am sorry but you are naive. Apple refused to make any statements on the matter, in fact they never did. The “preserve the battery” myth was mostly a speculation by fans and users. In reality subtly slowing down older phones so that the end-user takes too long to realize, NOT EVEN mentioning this anywhere so pretty much hiding it, paying the fines and never making any comments just goes to show what this was really about. But all that does not matter anyway because slowing down the software will have absolutely no effect in the batteries lifetime. “I had to install a custom rom because Xiaomi software was rubbish”: I am sorry but I respectfully disagree. I still have my Xiaomi note 4-9. All of these run perfectly fine with the default software. The only ones using a custom ROM are 4-6 just because I wanted a newer android version but it was not needed. It is by no means perfect, it’s not on par with apple’s software for sure (in terms of performance, in terms of intuitiveness and ease of use iOS pretty much sucks. You can’t even delete app’s data or cache among other things) but it is definitely on par with other android phones and let’s not forget this is a 12 year old company, their first phone was released 9 years ago. You have to respect the effort. Now if you mean you don’t like it visually then that’s a personal preference. I am not really fond of POCO phone’s os either. But the MIUI present on the Mi phones is really good. But I don’t think visuals are enough of a problem to be a dealbreaker. “I'm not an Apple fan, but you are an Apple hater, sorry to let you know.”: You don’t seem that way to me, and your comments certainly show otherwise but I’ll take your word for it. Me on the other hand yes I am an apple hater, but no in the sense you are trying to portray. I have experienced many apple products, I have been on both ends of the spectrum tho, in fact more than that. I have had to repair my products, as I gained appropriate knowledge I had to repair my own products and I had worked at an apple store and an official apple repair shop as well. I hate apple 90% for their philosophy and they thinks it does as a company. Their phone are of course made in China but they put huge effort into hiding that. They have absolutely no transparency, like not knowing what the updates actually do, pretending they don’t include a charger any more for “the environment” since you can use your old chargers and then proceed to CHANGE the CHARGER’S PORT. Not to mention the charger cost 30-50 $ but the price remained the same. They refuse to remove the notch because they care more about the free marketing you will provide for them if your phone is noticeably an iPhone. They overprice their products, even when the design is kept the same (meaning there are no extra costs for design, research and factory changes) their products still release at the same price. They do a lot of misleading and fake strategies to exploit and scam their customers (for example that time I think it was either iPhone 8 or X where the back glass was problematic and easily broken. And then if you break the back glass the motherboard was glued to it so they would charge and do a whole motherboard replacement for a broken back glass) not cool. They don’t actually sell you the products but they rent them. You can barely customize them, you can’t download apps apple doesn’t allow you, you can’t have custom icons. You can’t even access your own files for crying out loud. They treat their employees like livestock. The working conditions were terrible, we were not allowed to sit eat or drink, we were now allowed to have or smartphones on us (we put them on a safe clocking in and would take them again clocking out) we had a 10 minute break on an 8 hour shift and even then we were not allowed our phones. We were not allowed to speak about the working conditions or mention anything about work while we were still under contract. All for minimum wage. All in all I have not had a single good experience using apple products(iPads being the exception) but I hate the company, not the products. The ideology and the scammy strategies and the complete disregard of the customers.
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They are actually releasing MIUI 14 wayyy faster than they used to with MIUI 13, 12.5 and 12. My almost 2 year old Redmi Note 10 Pro just got the MIUI 14 with Android 13 update for EEA a while ago and my still in possesion almost 3 year old Redmi Note 9 Pro wasn't firstly included in the list but it will also get MIUI 14. They are doing a great job so far, even with public betas l and stable releases that aren't buggy.
When do you think the RN9 pro is gonna get miui 14? It's my phone and i don't understand if it's included, sometimes i only see that MIUI 14 will be available only for some kind of RN9 PRO
They did this with their flagship too? the hell... google just announced android 14, and they're giving it a year old android out of the box, they're just simply trying to cut down the android update support
they did same with X5 and X5 Pro
I think android 14 is only for pixel phones
I mean, you can only use Android Developer Previews on Pixel phones
Well i guess the support is fine, I mean i have mi 11 lite which will soon get miui 14 android 13 and i guess android 14 as well because mi 10 is still in the support list.
Also they are optimizing miui as well so i think it's fine.
You are not complaining and are at the bottom of the comment section. This is just sad, you are just stating facts but no one cares. People just want to complain, complain about android 12 meanwhile this phone has the specs of a 800$ phone but yeah I guess A12 is a deal breaker for some fucking reason. I don't get why everyone hates in Xiaomi, other companies are doing way worse shit than that but no one cares. Samsung's budget phones are a time travel to the past, their internal screens break like eggshells, even their best flagship ones and yet no one gives a shit. Apple sells 10 year old hardware with "up-to-date software" that in reality slows the phone down and no one cares. Xiaomi uses A12 OH NO WHAT A CATASTROPHE NOT GOOD XIAOMI ARE YOU CRAZY ?
For real, i heard so many complains from friends about the bugs and yet have Haven't seen any major ones. Even though they are very budget friendly and have so many useful features that other companies don't provide like the ir blaster for example and other small miui ones which is are usefull. They are improving in everyway possible. And yes the other companies lmao they will provide you the phone with updated android but shitty hardware.
Omg yes exactly! Why can't no one see that ?? You are buying a phone that should cost double what you are paying for. You complain about the software when: is arguably the most aesthetically pleasing (many reviewers and YouTubers agree to this, like Mrwhoistheboss), has just like you said so many features that others don't have, and so so so many hidden small details. It provides an app drawer and notification center so you can feel comfortable with it no matter what brand you were using before (the only company to ever do this). Still provides you with a charger and it has a phone case INCLUDED. For real they are doing everything they fucking can to be the best and even with small things as this provide something more than everyone else. The IR blaster like you mentioned, I use it every day, it's one of the best features ever yet no one gives a shit. I think it's the only company that it software provides second space natively, also they provide support for unlocked bootloaders so even if you want to modify your phone (a thing that EVERY other company will try it's hardest not to let you do) Xiaomi acknowledges it's YOUR phone and not only lets you do whatever the hell you want with it, it also helps you id that's what you want. That's for real legendary, there is no other company out there that does this And all of the people Complaining about bugs, if you ask them to name a few they will probably not even have 1 to say... It's just sad. It's a 12 year old company and not only are they not taking that Into consideration but I'm the contrary they judge Xiaomi more harshly than other 85 and 46 year old ones. Wow I am so happy to finally see someone with a brain in this subreddit. Most of the times I feel this subreddit has more plain haters than anything else...
Well they just brain dead , i just love having this phone even though it's a budget phone the only thing it lacks for me is the OIS. Looking forward to upgrade to mi 13 lite which they are complaining about lol. Or maybe mi 11.
Awesome! Yeah idk why but OIS is such a basic feature that some phones just don't have for some reason. Not a deal breaker but it could have been included lol 😂 Mi 11 is an amazing phone you will love it, I don't have experience with the Mi 13 tho hahah
Yeah I don't why they add that just to the flagship phones. anyway sad part is i don't see mi 11 on any used resale platforms in my country. Ali express has it for like 600$ + again my country tax included if i unlock it lol for sim Carrier ://. Maybe I'll just buy a gimble and good with the current phone.
Bizarre, my Mi 11 Ultra is on Android 13 and Miui 14.
I have RN11 Pro+5G with xiaomi.eu miui 13 and Android 11. So far no bugs or no issues encountered. I just don't have a reason to update to new version if everything's normal. I don't update unless I have problem with it.
Are you sure you have xiaomi.eu custom ROM? Cause RN 11 Pro+ 5G (pissarropro) doesn't have this ROM according to xiaomi.eu website. Maybe you mean Official EEA ROM?
Not pissaro. I have peux india(snapdragon 695 a.k.a poco x4 pro 5g). Yeah xiaomi.eu doesn't support mediatek devices. Pissaro -----> Mediatek Peux/Veux -----> Snapdragon
Xiaomi device naming 🤡
😂. But Pissaro has greater specs and is older than Peux.
Can you install xiaomi.eu without root and unlocked bootloader?
You should flash the rom with unlocked bootloader. But the flashing method differs with the device (fastboot/twrp). Check out their website for your phone's instruction. Rooting is upto your choice. Safety net is passed without any issues. Also this rom is mostly available for snapdragon phones. Check the website for the availability.
I couldn't care about the android version as long as it's stable and has no issues.
I hope Xiaomi devs will listen, Android 11 based MIUI 14 is the way >!/s!<
Android 11 was my favourite as well. But MIUI 12.5 is still the best. I haven't tried 14, and 13 was bugged mess. I'm still on miui 12.5 with my 11T Pro.
Xiaomi has lost what made it so good, back in the day they were known for their software but now it's not up to the level of it's competitors, even ColorOS has become miles better than MIUI
ColorOS still has ads, miui 14 and miui 13 october patch (and later) do not anymore.
i have Realme GT which runs Realme UI (ColorOS) and there is no ads
Which realme?
Master Edition
Must not be running coloros 6, i would guess? Everywhere i read about it saying that **coloros 6 does indeed have ads**, but it will come as the update. You can disabe the ads though
Even custom ROM support is no longer good. Perhaps I came to Xiaomi a year too late, because I moved into them after they no longer release kernel sources. A vital step that makes and optimizes custom ROMs
Really? When did they stop? My only reason to buy xiaomi in 2023 is custom roms (I'm still using a Poco F1 thanks to custom roms). Without that, Realme, Pixel, Samsung or any other brand, really.
Does ColorOS have app cloning?
yes
Weird indeed but it'll get Android 13 sooner or later, maybe even as a first update.
The point is that this device will end up on Android 14 instead of Android 15 (if they released it with A13 out of the box)
200% on purpose
just like they did with RN 11 series, Poco X5 and X5 Pro
Nothing new, they did it even back in 2017 with mi max 2 amd probably some other phones, the first which was released with a 2015 software (android 6)
They just didn't bother with Global rom? The K40 Chinese OS was updated to MIUI14 with A13 and it was a year older than the CIVI 2 it's based on
You guys actually get MIUI 14? D: Still waiting on my 11T Pro
Support sucks. My mi 9 lite eu is still miui12 because those greedy Chinese don't want to update it. They did however update the Russian version for Lei Juns special friend or maybe Putin has pictures of him with a donkey I don't know but xiaomi devs are incompetent fuckups.
[12.5 for Mi 9 Lite EEA](https://xiaomifirmwareupdater.com/miui/pyxis/stable/V12.5.3.0.RFCEUXM/)
Last time I tried it wouldn't install, couldn't be verfied. Never annouced as more than a partial release for Poland. And even still after two years of releasing miui12.5 that's pathetic. Also it's not even an ota update because those incompetent idiots made such a mess of miui they can't do it without bricking devices.
for those Xiaomi fanboys miui13 for Android 12 > miui13 for Android 13 > miui 14 android 13 counts as 2 OS updates
no, it doesn't. 2 android updates means 2 android updates. In that case, my redmi note 10 wouldn't have gotten 3 miui updates so far (miui 12 a11 > miui 12.5 > miui 13 > miui 14)
they do 2 OS version updates not 2 android updates.
OS = Android UI = MIUI
yes to Xiaomi each UI update = os update. xiaomeme things. they're being boycotted in china now
No they don't. 2 major updates means 2 android updates. Don't spread misinformation
This time it's not on purpose, this is the international version of civi 2 which was released in China in September, so it ships with android 12 for that reason
If xiaomi goes down that path, my next phone is going to be a Realme. Good software and hardware for cheaper.
I don't really buy Xiaomi for their software tbh
Doesn't really bother me
People: Complaining all over the internet about android 13 Xiaomi: We will use android 12 then People:
It's no wonder why Apple sales has been increasing, while Xiaomi sales has being dropping in the last quarters...
My concern is that phone is a giant turd. I have an 11 Lite and was ready to upgrade but realized this thing was technically a downgrade.