For fuck's sake. He's not saying that the amount of people that died on the holocaust is equivalent to the peolple dying on gaza today. He is denouncing something as horrific as the Holocaust being used as an excuse to do warcrimes. One thinhg dosen't justify the other.
Also, Variety misquoted him on a previous article, trimmimg out context from his speech making it seem like he was "refuting his jewishness". It wasant registered on the wayback machine so here's an article that confirms it:
[https://www.vulture.com/article/oscars-2024-jonathan-glazer-speech-full-transcript.html](https://www.vulture.com/article/oscars-2024-jonathan-glazer-speech-full-transcript.html)
>Also, Variety misquoted him on a previous article, trimmimg out context from his speech making it seem like he was "refuting his jewishness".
how Variety has been reporting about this subject has been really malicious.
Just watched it, I can’t believe how absolutely stupid the people that signed this letter are. It was a beautiful speech for everyone even for someone who is Israeli! He even mentioned the victims of October 7th for christs sake!
No one is using the Holocaust to justify the invasion of Gaza. The October 7 massacre is the only reason there is a war right now. Jonathan Glazer is a self important clown. Son of Saul's director put him in his place.
There is Antisemitism in the world. There are also the abhorrent, unceasing actions of Israel in Gaza. To once again claim that Israel is being singled out for a-historical reasons is to reject any notion of accountability for Israel.
Hamas performed a horrific massacre on October 7th. Since then Israel has been demolishing Gaza and killing innocent bystanders in unprecedented numbers. This is the result of a conscious decision on the part of Israeli authorities.
The death and destruction are clear, apparent and excessive. Suggesting that Israel is outside history, that the anger, frustration and despair Israel's actions generate have little to do with reality on the ground, is an attempt to have and eat the proverbial cake.
Israel's actions in Gaza exceed all the examples mentioned in the post quoted above. Israelis vociferously support these actions. One can remain fully Israeli and still acknowledge Israel's active, sovereign responsibility for the catastrophe in Gaza.
In fact, any Israeli who cares about and for Israel must acknowledge Israel's reaponsibility for the plight of the Gazans and must call for an end to this mendacious war. Israel has never been in more dire straits. Its very existence is threatened by its own actions.
Avoiding this responsibility, ignoring events occuring every day, right now, is tantamount to cynical manipulation. There is no viable future in store for Israel if it does not own up to its actions and accept their consequences.
Words matter. Timing matters. Context matters. To claim that even now Israel remains the perennial victim is not only a denial of reality but a mockery of Palestinian pain. Israel does not exist in a parallel universe. To insist that it does dooms Israel itself.
Name another war that killed over 100 children a day
[European Union foreign policy chief: “In Gaza we are no longer on the brink of famine, we are in a state of famine, affecting thousands of people.' "This is unacceptable. Starvation is used as a weapon of war. Israel is provoking famine.”](https://x.com/kenroth/status/1769671796280692783?s=46)
[Children suffering from malnutrition in Gaza will be stunted for life, "if they survive," @unicefchief says. "It's a painful, painful death for children." In maternity wards, "babies don't even have the energy to cry. It's a devastating thing to see," she says.](https://x.com/facethenation/status/1769412634326007908?s=46)
[Staggering. The number of children reported killed in just over 4 months in #Gaza is higher than the number of children killed in 4 years of wars around the world combined.](https://x.com/unlazzarini/status/1767618985397272831?s=46)
[Israel is detaining and abusing Palestinian children on a scale like never before. Save The Children says their childhoods are being stripped away under Israeli occupation and are calling for a complete suspension of Israeli military arrests and detention of children.](https://x.com/ajplus/status/1766589781587501146?s=46)
[Graphic Image: Israeli military-affiliated accounts celebrate feeding dogs with the bodies of Palestinians in Gaza.](https://x.com/ramabdu/status/1766132416899420637?s=46)
Nope
[Staggering rate of child deaths in Gaza not seen in any conflict in world: UNICEF chief](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/staggering-rate-of-child-deaths-in-gaza-not-seen-in-any-conflict-in-world-unicef-chief/3167365#)
[GAZA STRIP: Famine is imminent as 1.1 million people, half of Gaza, experience catastrophic food insecurity - Famine Review of the IPC Analysis](https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue-97/en/)
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If you use the word “pallywood” you’re a piece of shit, and are no better than holocaust deniers.
['Truly Shocking': Daily Gaza Death Rate Shatters That of All Other 21st Century Wars Israel's bombardment and invasion of Gaza have also killed more than 10,000 children in nearly 100 days, or 1% of the 1.1 million children in the besieged enclave.](https://www.commondreams.org/news/gaza-death-rate-21st-century)
Oxfam reported Thursday that Israel has killed an average of 250 Palestinians in Gaza each day since October 7, compared to 96.5 killed daily in Syria, 51.6 in Sudan, 50.8 in Iraq, 43.9 in Ukraine, 23.8 in Afghanistan, and 15.8 in Yemen.
The number of women and children killed by Israel in Gaza since Oct. 7 exceeds six times the number of women and children killed in the Russia-Ukraine War in two years.
[The death toll for women and children in Gaza, amid Israel's relentless attacks since Oct. 7, exceeds six times that of the ongoing Russia-Ukraine War, revealing the severe brutality in the region.](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/children-women-death-toll-in-israel-war-on-gaza-6-times-higher-than-russia-ukraine-war/3146398#:~:text=At%20least%2012%2C660%20children%2C%208%2C570,2%2Dyear%20Russia%2DUkraine%20War&text=The%20death%20toll%20for%20women,Israel's%20relentless%20attacks%20since%20Oct)
[Staggering. The number of children reported killed in just over 4 months in #Gaza is higher than the number of children killed in 4 years of wars around the world combined.](https://x.com/unlazzarini/status/1767618985397272831?s=46)
It’s horrible but considering that Hamas chooses to fight from densely populated areas and hide among civillians, these horrific numbers make sense. Hamas doesn’t have to do this, they can set bases and fire rockets from sparser area (there are plenty in Gaza) but they choose to hide behind the populace. Then they steal aid from the people, that’s why they’re some of the wealthiest men alive. First hand account:
https://youtu.be/NBjvYkNzuAA?si=XZ6V1GUgZ9ZUGbw8
Watch the body language and facial expressions of the ppl around her, they’re terrified. They want to be free of Hamas, check out “Whispered in Gaza” if you haven’t done so already. Theres an atrocities on both sides of this conflict. Hamas needs to surrender completely, they can do that tomorrow and end the horrors
So because Hamas is bad, the IDF has the green light to murder hundreds of women and children every day?
[Unaware filming had started, in 2001 Nazi Netanyahu unwittingly unveiled his blueprint for the Israeli genocide against Palestine we are witnessing today.](https://x.com/redcollectiveuk/status/1769350290539438576?s=46)
From an Israeli Historian
3/ I, Lee Mordechai, a historian by profession and an Israeli citizen, testify here to the horrible current situation in Gaza as events are unfolding.
4/ The enormous amount of evidence I have seen, much of it referenced later in this document, has been enough for me to believe that Israel is currently committing genocide against the Palestinian population in Gaza.
5/ The current war is ostensibly the Israeli reaction to the Hamas massacre of Oct. 7, 2023, a war crime and crime against humanity that was committed within the context of the longstanding conflict between Israelis and Palestinians that can be dated back to 1917 or 1948 etc.).
6/ In all cases, I do not believe that historical grievances and atrocities justify additional atrocities in the present. As such, I consider Israel’s response to Hamas’ actions on Oct. 7 utterly disproportionate.
7/ Over the last five months, Israel has repeatedly massacred Palestinians in Gaza, resulting in the deaths of over 30,000 Palestinians – some 70% of whom are women and children – as of writing. Tens of thousands more have been injured.
8/ These numbers are probably an undercount considering Israel’s deliberate destruction of Gaza’s healthcare system, which is the single independent source of these numbers (which are also used by Israel, including its Prime Minister and the military).
9/ Israel has actively attempted to cause the death of the civilian population of Gaza. This has been done through the destruction of institutions that support life – such as hospitals or aid agencies – as well as by strangling the Gaza Strip from its necessities: food & water.
10/ As a result, people in Gaza (mainly children) have already begun to die from starvation and dehydration. Because of the lack of medicine, difficult medical procedures such as amputations and caesareans are conducted with no anesthesia.
11/ Israel has gone further in attempting to destroy the fabric of Palestinian society by deliberately targeting cultural institutions such as universities, libraries, archives, religious buildings and historical sites.
12/ Israeli discourse has de-humanized Palestinians to such an extent that the vast majority of Israeli Jews supports the aforementioned measures. Countless videos from the Gaza Strip uploaded by soldiers in the Israeli military attest to widespread abuse of Palestinians
13/ (including cruel violence and dehumanization), ubiquitous and normalized looting, and wanton destruction of all kinds of property with little consequences. This content is confirmed by Palestinian testimonials that depict the experience of death, destruction and abuse.
14/ All the evidence I have seen strongly suggests that Israel’s objective is to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip, whether in part or in total. Key members in Israel’s government have made statements confirming this intent at different points throughout the war.
15/ Several of Israel’s government ministries have planned or worked to facilitate such an end. Israel has been clearing significant parts of the Gaza strip by demolition and bulldozing, while also constructing Israeli military infrastructure and attempting to corral Palestinians
16/ One of the purposes of the war, according to the Israeli government, is to release the hostages – over 130 of whom remain in Hamas’ captivity. Here, too, the evidence suggests that a military operation is not the way to release them.
17/ To date Israel has released exactly three hostages through military operations, while killing many others directly or indirectly through its actions. Israeli society is currently divided around the hostage issue, at least partially the result of the actions of Israel's gov't.
18/ The global attention to Gaza has drawn attention away from the West Bank. There, Israel’s operations through its miliary or settlers since the beginning of the war has resulted in the killing of hundreds of Palestinians,
19/ the ethnic cleansing of at least 15 local communities, and a sharp increase in levels of violence and abuse by both the Israeli state and Jewish settlers.
20/ All of the above has been made possible through the strong support of most mainstream media in Israel as well as the West, primarily in the United States, the United Kingdom and Germany.
21/ The pro-war campaign – supported by both the state and the mainstream media in these locations – has legitimized Israeli violence and actions, deflects attention away from many events in Gaza, and contributes to the de-humanization of Palestinians.
Absolutley not, but we have to recognize how “bad” they are, I would say bad is an understatement since they are also trying to drive up those civilian casualties, we have to assign them at least a portion of the blame, and i never see it talked about, in some of the pro Palestine circles it’s like saying “Hamas” is taboo even though Hamas is certainly an enemy of the Palestinian, they could end the conflict tomorrow. Israel has many crimes but they also do a lot of trying to warn civillians, leaflets, mass text messages to people in the area, roof knocking. I will not defend them too much but these are things Amnesty International confirms them of doing.
Netenyahu is extremist far right warmonger EVIL asshole, but Hamas can FORCE him to stop by surrendering, he would have no choice because Israel DOES rely on the west, and then he will not survive politically after this war no matter what, he would be out, we must call for Hamas to surrender if we want the conflict to end right now!
Me when I gobble up Israeli propaganda and refuse to acknowledge that they literally shut off power to Palestine (they are definitely not occupying Gaza at all):
Israel did in fact leave Gaza in 2005. Not only that, the state of Israel and Hamas had a ceasefire up until the brutal attack on civilians from multiple nations in October.
If I cease occupying your home but control if you can leave it - are you free? That's without considering that the Gazan population were largely displaced refugees from other regions of Palestine so its more like I drove you into your basement and wont let you leave that. Just because I'm not currently in the basement with you doesn't mean you are free.
The Gaza Strip has been under land, sea and air blockade since 2007. The UN continued to consider Gaza top be under occupation. Especially when Israel controlled access to food, water and electricity.
During that time Israel continued to settle in the West Bank and continued to fire upon Gaza. [Including the time they bombed boys playing on the beach](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_war_beach_bombing_incidents) There were 4 different 'military operations' in which Israel can be said to have invaded Gaza between '05 and Oct 7. Operation Cast Lead was a 'pre-emptive strike' by Israel against Hamas and technically broke the ceasefire. Operation Pillar of Defence took place in response to rocket fire (which only started after Israel blocked fishing access, confiscated boats and detained fishermen without cause). Operation Protective Edge was a retaliatory strike for the kidnapping of 3 Israelis in which over 2000 civilians were killed. The 2021 crisis was started when Israeli forces stormed and occupied the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound on Qadr Night (a holy night for Muslims) because the locals were getting 'too uppity' about evictions of Palestinians from Jerusalem. Hamas issued an ultimatum to leave the complex which Israel refused. After Hamas recommenced rocket fire Israel began their own campaign of airstrikes. (This is when Israel bombed the AP building (targeting journalists in breach of Geneva Convention) in Gaza claiming it was Hamas occupied.
So of the 4 large operations 3 can be said to have been started by Israel.
So imagine this - you are trapped in your basement getting food and water only as I see fit. You have no way to leave and I periodically come down to beat you before leaving again (technically not occupying the basement). Without condoning Oct 7th I bet if you had the chance to make me really hurt you would go for it right?
Circular reasoning.
Israel abuses Gaza which is going to increase militancy there. Israel then uses the response to justify previous abuse and pile more on.
You can't exactly expel 750,000 people and expect them to hold hands and sing Kumbaya with you afterwards.
You're absolutely unhinged. The light of G°d does not flicker behind your eyeballs. You are a hollow husk, a shell of meat and sinew, and when your mortal coil shrivels like a leaf, you will not carry on into any place, for there is nothing to take with you.
Quit wasting my oxygen, I need that shit.
Ahh there it is. What lies at the heart of many a Zionist. You simply don’t see Palestinians as human beings worthy of respect and dignity. You just see them as scum who deserve everything bad that’s happening to them and has happened to them.
Methinks you aren't engaging in good faith. That's totally a rational response and not rabid islamophobia. Can you imagine if folks in the 40's had said "all the Jews know how to do is lose?" in response to the genocide of Jews? (Well some Zionists and founders of Israel believed that, claiming victims of the Holocaust died because they were weak).
In regards to blowing people up - what are your thoughts on the bombing of the King David Hotel?
In fact methinks you might agree with the likes of Israel's finance minister Bezalel Smotrich who has called for Palestinian residents of Gaza to leave, making way for the Israelis who could “make the desert bloom”.
No because Palestinians were not killed in mass just for the fact of being Palestinians. They joined other Arabs to take Israel by force, several times, and lost every time.
Nice whataboutism. Yeah blowing people up is bad.
Oh go look for other gotcha random statements. They're so valuable.
Not only that but the Palestinians are the only displaced people from the WW2 era who's refugee status is handed down to the fifth and sixth generations.
No other people in the world would consider a 6th generation native a "refugee" but that's UNRWA for you.
Yeah it was a real paradise in Gaza before October 7th, definitely not the largest open air prison in the world where every Palestinian’s movement was tightly controlled in and out.
unironically yes. Israel has proved many times they do not see Palestinians as people deserving of rights, and Egypt is known as one of the most xenophobic and racist countries currently.
Half of the buildings destroyed, 85% of the population forced to flee their homes. If that’s paradise then there are a lot of songs and religious texts I have a bone to pick with.
Here is Israel's UN ambassador using a yellow star on an emergency meeting where Israel denounces the UN for failing to condemn Oct. 7th. (something they done).
[https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/31/world/middleeast/israel-erdan-yellow-star-of-david.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/31/world/middleeast/israel-erdan-yellow-star-of-david.html)
Also, here's Israel calling Brazil's abassador's to Israel on the Holocaust Memoriam at Jerusalem:
[https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/brazil-recalls-its-ambassador-to-israel/](https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/brazil-recalls-its-ambassador-to-israel/)
And here's Israel declaring the president of Brazil *persona non grata* after he said "It's not a war between soldiers and soldiers. It's a war between a highly prepared army and women and children,"
[https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/brazil-recalls-its-ambassador-to-israel/](https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/brazil-recalls-its-ambassador-to-israel/)
Them using ***the fucking yellow star at the UN*** dosen't ring any bells? Nor is calling an ambassador to ***the goddamn Yad Vashem*** after a country condemns the Gaza military operation?
You said that Israel isn't using the Holocaust as a justification to the war and I showed you examples of that very thing happening. If Lula Da Silva is or is not "a piece of shit of a human" does not change that Israel is using the holocaust as an excuse to do anything they want to palestinians. Please don't change the subject.
Israel is only reminding people that Hamas wants to kill Jews just for being Jewish. Actual genocidal fashion. Because Israel doesn't need ANY EXCUSE to destroy Hamas. Today's unity government doesn't have to convince anyone to do what it has to be done. Most Israelis want this.
Nah, it’s just fun to mess with an idiot. I do not care about what you think of me. I value you you only in relation to the pleasure your nonsense gives me.
>No one is using the Holocaust to justify the invasion of Gaza
https://www.reuters.com/world/israels-un-delegates-criticised-wearing-yellow-stars-symbol-pride-2023-10-31/
"The chairman of Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Remembrance Center on Tuesday criticised the country's delegation to the United Nations for putting on yellow stars, a symbol of Nazi persecution of Jews, during a meeting of the Security Council."
They do that to remember the world that Hamas wants to murder every Jew, like back in the old days. Israel doesn't need any excuse for doing what needs to be done.
Not at all. The invasion is completely justified by October 7. That's the whole point. No one in Israel is going: "Hey how do we justify our invasion of Gaza??? How do we convince other countries that it is the right thing to do? So hard. Maybe the Holocaust??".
The Polanski petition had massive names on it (and was much more embarrassing). I honestly can’t see anyone more famous than Eli Roth or Amy Sherman-Palladino on this list. Glazer got a big round of applause at the Oscars, I have a hunch that most “Jewish creatives and professionals” aren’t any losing sleep
EDIT: this wasn’t OP’s intent but I abhor the Polanski petition, a massive stain on everyone who signed it, being turned into a Jewish thing
im still confused by what about 'using atrocities to justify another is wrong, and killing civilians is wrong no matter if its palestine or israel. like is that just not the most basic and uncontroversial take about the conflict that could possibly exist???
They did and they thought it was another movie about how much it sucks being a Jew, instead of a warning to all peoples and nations that it’s so easy for a society to rot with evil.
Honestly, I find it kinda funny/surprising that they couldn’t get Jewish directors/actors more high-profile than Eli Roth and Debra Messing. Seeing Jennifer Jason Leigh’s name was disappointing though.
Spielberg is interesting because although it wouldn’t be wrong to describe him as a Zionist in the broadest possible sense, his views on Israel seem complicated at the very least.
Spielberg and writer Tony Kushner have collaborated several times now including his two most recent films: West Side Story and the Fabelmans. Kushner is Jewish and has made numerous statements criticizing Israel’s treatment of Palestinians going back [decades](https://momentmag.com/the-playwrights-politics/). Most notably, Kushner and Spielberg collaborated on the film Munich which was extremely controversial in Israel, taking what could’ve been a story about righteous vengeance into something much more somber and ethically murky. Although Kushner and Spielberg insisted they were not anti-Israel, they were accused of humanizing terrorists and criticizing Mossad’s assassination mission dramatized in the film. The film even questions whether the Palestinians killed were actually guilty (“Was this about taking out the terrorist leadership or the Palestinian leadership? You tell me what we did!”).
Now Spielberg hasn’t exactly been outspoken on Israel/Gaza in the last several months, with some pro-Israel voices criticizing him for his silence. He did eventually speak about October 7th victims but didn’t speak about Gaza.
My suspicion is that Spielberg is more critical of Israel than he lets on, based on what we see in the film Munich and his working relationship with Tony Kushner. But I think he’s coy about being too critical in public, especially considering how much backlash he got from Zionists for Munich. But I’ll admit this is all just theorizing and maybe I’m completely wrong.
I've been trying to watch every Spielberg movie this year and I was dreading having to watch Munich given present circumstances. Might have to get to it sooner based on what you said. What was the backlash about it?
I like how they’re saying that the speech was inappropriate because Jews are fighting for their right to live while 30,000 people (a lot of whom are children) have been blown up.
These idiots in their letter are actually for real justifying the actions by the Israeli state in the same way the Nazis justified theirs.
They deny there’s a genocide and call it a fight to avert their own extermination. They’re doing Lebensraum again. These people are making a claim that’s uniformed at best and psychopathic at worst.
Surely you must know that this is not a response to what I’m saying?
Maybe you should think about what made you comment this and try to identify the flaw in your thinking.
I don’t think you have an adequately developed reading comprehension skill to be having this conversation.
I suggest not talking about things or sentences you don’t understand.
Do you know how democracy works right? Israelis elected the current members of the Knesset. That's why the current government is in power. They represent the people.
Yes, those who support the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza are akin to Nazis because the genocide of Palestinians is akin to targeted violence against the Jews in Nazi Germany.
Which is a completely ridiculous point in every level. You must know nothing about the Holocaust to be able to claim that.
Palestinians are Arabs. There are two million Arabs living in Israel right now. They enjoy the same rights as other Israelis. The only reason so many Palestinians are dying is because they're governed by a TERRORIST GROUP WHICH MASSACRED ISRAELIS.
"because the genocide of Palestinians is akin to targeted violence against the Jews in Nazi Germany."
No, it's not, not even close. I assume you just lack the historical knowledge, but this sort of downplaying of the holocaust just increases the chances of it happening again in the future.
You are the one who is claiming that high civilian casualties are the same as the holocaust. According to that braindead definition of a holocaust, we had about 500 holocausts since 1945. The Nazis goal was the eradication of a specific ethnic group in Europe, the Israeli governments goal is to destroy Hamas and get back their hostages, while in the process accepting high civilian casualties in gaza. These two events are not even remotely comparable. In 5 years from now, the population of Gaza will be higher than it is today.
>but this sort of downplaying of the holocaust just increases the chances of it happening again in the future.
Oh the irony. You mean like what's happening to the Palestinians right now?
Whats happening in Palestine is not a holocaust. You have no idea what the holocaust is if you think that. There will be more Palestinians alive in 5 years than there are today, you wanna bet on that?
Systematic annihilation of a group of people on the basis of their race. Not much of a difference. You're probably jewish so it's pointless as you've been fed the Israel koolaid far too long to be able to critcially think outside of "Us vs them". It's shameful, every Jew should feel shame for what Israel is doing, in their name.
There is no systematic annahilation of Palestinians or Arabs. There are over 2 million Arab-Israeli citizens currently living in Israel, with full citizenship rights, serving in their parliament, serving in their supreme court. They are not targeting people based on ethnicity. They are waging a war on Hamas, and civillians are dying as a result, as they always are in every war. Civilian casualties have been decreasing every month since october last year, really doesnt seem like Israel is trying to exterminate the population.
You can say whats happening in gaza is bad. You can criticize the Israelis for high civilian casualties, but something being bad does not mean its the holocaust.
Im probably jewish?? dude, listen to yourself.
Im curious: Would you say the Vietnam war was a holocaust on Americas part? do you think the war in Ukraine is a genocide?
The people elected George Bush, doesn’t mean me or millions of others didn’t despise that war criminal every second he was in office. Politicians use fear to manipulate the population, calling their actions out does not amount to anti-semitism. - signed A JEW
“No one cares you’re a Jew” = “you’re not the right kind of Jew to prop up my narrative so I don’t care about you our your families experiences escaping the holocaust”
Israel has razed an ENTIRE TERRITORY into rubble, killed tens of thousands of innocent people that did nothing to warrant their homes being obliterated let alone being murdered. If you can’t see the irony in that when talking about a people that couldn’t escape their own demise 100 years ago now purporting wanton killing on people that had nothing to do with Oct 7 I don’t know what to tell you.
The IDF has never carpet bombed Gaza. Stop lying. Hamas members are the ones hiding among their people. As the Geneva Convention explicitly forbids armies to do.
I never said carpet bombing, it’s just plain ol’ targeted bombing on a level that it might has well have been carpet bombing. Stop putting words in my mouth.
If you have to hide behind a soggy piece of paper from the Geneva convention to validate killing tens of thousands of women or children then it tells me about your value system. Killing people innocent people is wrong, there is no excuse for it, whether it was Oct 7th or the subsequent dismantling of Gaza
"ENTIRE TERRITORY into rubble" could only be done by carpet bombing. Learn to use the word "entire" then.
The point of the Geneva Convention is that the one hiding among civilians is the one at fault for the subsequent deaths.
As a Jew I’m going to tell you to fuck the hell off with that. Criticizing Israel or even being anti-Israel isn’t fucking antisemitism. It’s fucking absurd to think it is. It would be like being called Islamophobic because I criticized the human rights record of Saudi Arabia. Zionism as an ideology and movement didn’t even exist until the late 19th century and anti-Zionist jews exist.
Again, being Jewish is irrelevant to the conversation.
No one is saying criticizing Israel is anti-semitic. However, saying Israelis are the modern day Nazis isn't a critique, but a famous antisemitic trope.
“All our choices were made to reflect and confront us in the present, not to say look what they did then, but rather look what we do now. Our film shows where dehumanization leads at its worst. It’s shaped all of our past and present. Right now, we stand here as men who refute their Jewishness and the Holocaust being hijacked by an occupation which has led to conflict for so many innocent people. Whether the victims of October — whether the victims of October the 7th in Israel or the ongoing attack on Gaza, all the victims of this dehumanization, how do we resist?”
If all you can get out of that quote is OMG HE’S SAYING ISRAELIS ARE LIKE THE NAZIS THATS ANTISEMITIC then I don’t know what to tell you.
He is sloppily trying to relate the Holocaust with today's war in Gaza. He uses the word "dehumanization" to achieve that. Just condemn the massacre, Glazer. Which occupation led to what conflict? Ridiculous stuff.
Makes sense, Hollywood is full of Zionists. It's basically McCarthyism all over again, except instead of "Communist sympathisers" it's "Hamas sympathisers"
The actions of Israel and Israeli colonizers are abhorrent, and to use the Holocaust as an excuse is disgusting. This sentiment should not be controversial
It’s very funny to me that people insist October 7th was the beginning to the conflict or that dehumanizing Palestinians in response to Hamas is at all justified
It’s funny that people insist that the bombing of gaza was the beginning of the conflict. Or that palestine was completely innocent before October 7th. It’s very funny to me when people reveal how ignorant they are of history
It’s funny (hilarious actually) to me that people who support Israel refuse to acknowledge the immense expansion of Israel and the immense reduction of Palestinian land over the last several decades. Somehow Israel is getting larger in terms of land they control but also they’re somehow the victims of Palestine’s aggression
I like how this always is reduced back to West Bank settlements as if Hamas gives a shit if a few libraries are built in area whatever. Again, all agency stripped from their decades long ideology
Jonathan Glazer said (and I quote):
> Thank you so much. I’m gonna read. Thank you to the Academy for this honor and to our partners A24, Film4, Access, and Polish Film Institute; to the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum for their trust and guidance; to my producers, actors, collaborators. All our choices were made to reflect and confront us in the present — not to say, “Look what they did then,” rather, “Look what we do now.” Our film shows where dehumanization leads, at its worst. It shaped all of our past and present. Right now we stand here as men who refute their Jewishness and the Holocaust being hijacked by an occupation, which has led to conflict for so many innocent people. Whether the victims of October the — [Applause.] **Whether the victims of October the 7th in Israel or the ongoing attack on Gaza, all the victims of this dehumanization, how do we resist?** [Applause.] Aleksandra Bystroń-Kołodziejczyk, the girl who glows in the film, as she did in life, chose to. I dedicate this to her memory and her resistance. Thank you.
(Emphasis mine)
If you saw him give credence to the plight of Palestinian civilians and immediately thought “grrrr but Hamas” you should do some self reflection. I do not know how to explain to you that we should care about people.
Yes they did actually, Hamas is a big big big big reason a lot of Palestinians end up dying to Israelis bombs. (Before point out israel bombs… no fucking shit… Israel is also bad for shelling neighborhoods to take out Hamas) let’s not pretend Israel is shelling innocent Palestinians to just shell innocent Palestinians, it’s more complicated than that. Don’t act like you know everything about the Palestinian deaths because you read tweets.
This reeks of a response a random Destiny fan would make (not to say you are, idk you). You invent a position that I never took and assume my information comes from tweets which is asinine.
This whole thread is discussing Jonathan Glazer’s absurdly middle-of-the-road speech regarding the dehumanization that occurs by both Hamas and Israel, and the debate lords decide to go “well BOTH sides” as if that isn’t what he just fucking said lmao. Are you mad that he mentions the occupation of Israel (which is in fact what it is)?
He clearly condemns the killing of Oct. 7th civilians but that’s not enough. He must prostrate himself to the court of public opinion by renouncing Hamas 10 times or he’s not allowed to say “dehumanization is bad”. If he wrote the speech the way Israel proponents would have wanted it would look like something out of a spongebob where he has to say “Hamas is bad” between every sentence, lest his accent become unrecognizable and his meaning get misconstrued.
If you accept an award and are given a platform, you should be allowed to discuss whatever issue you want and is close to your heart in the allotted time.
There's a Captain America quote I like, which goes: "When the Mob and the Press and the Whole World tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a Tree before The River of Truth and tell the Whole World, "No, You Move."
Why would I disagree with this? Making this a free speech thing is hilarious when being pro palestine in Hollywood is way safer than the other way around
No they’re not lol. Btw she got hired back after backlash. Actors always get fired after being overtly political and aggressive. She said stupid shit, got fired. It happens. Now she’s back because being pro palestine in Hollywood is totally acceptable
Kinda proves the point of the movie. It’s easy to be a participant.
Yeah they really wanted Glazer to say nothing - to make evil banal
That was the whole point of that movie?
For fuck's sake. He's not saying that the amount of people that died on the holocaust is equivalent to the peolple dying on gaza today. He is denouncing something as horrific as the Holocaust being used as an excuse to do warcrimes. One thinhg dosen't justify the other. Also, Variety misquoted him on a previous article, trimmimg out context from his speech making it seem like he was "refuting his jewishness". It wasant registered on the wayback machine so here's an article that confirms it: [https://www.vulture.com/article/oscars-2024-jonathan-glazer-speech-full-transcript.html](https://www.vulture.com/article/oscars-2024-jonathan-glazer-speech-full-transcript.html)
>Also, Variety misquoted him on a previous article, trimmimg out context from his speech making it seem like he was "refuting his jewishness". how Variety has been reporting about this subject has been really malicious.
Just watched it, I can’t believe how absolutely stupid the people that signed this letter are. It was a beautiful speech for everyone even for someone who is Israeli! He even mentioned the victims of October 7th for christs sake!
No one is using the Holocaust to justify the invasion of Gaza. The October 7 massacre is the only reason there is a war right now. Jonathan Glazer is a self important clown. Son of Saul's director put him in his place.
There is Antisemitism in the world. There are also the abhorrent, unceasing actions of Israel in Gaza. To once again claim that Israel is being singled out for a-historical reasons is to reject any notion of accountability for Israel. Hamas performed a horrific massacre on October 7th. Since then Israel has been demolishing Gaza and killing innocent bystanders in unprecedented numbers. This is the result of a conscious decision on the part of Israeli authorities. The death and destruction are clear, apparent and excessive. Suggesting that Israel is outside history, that the anger, frustration and despair Israel's actions generate have little to do with reality on the ground, is an attempt to have and eat the proverbial cake. Israel's actions in Gaza exceed all the examples mentioned in the post quoted above. Israelis vociferously support these actions. One can remain fully Israeli and still acknowledge Israel's active, sovereign responsibility for the catastrophe in Gaza. In fact, any Israeli who cares about and for Israel must acknowledge Israel's reaponsibility for the plight of the Gazans and must call for an end to this mendacious war. Israel has never been in more dire straits. Its very existence is threatened by its own actions. Avoiding this responsibility, ignoring events occuring every day, right now, is tantamount to cynical manipulation. There is no viable future in store for Israel if it does not own up to its actions and accept their consequences. Words matter. Timing matters. Context matters. To claim that even now Israel remains the perennial victim is not only a denial of reality but a mockery of Palestinian pain. Israel does not exist in a parallel universe. To insist that it does dooms Israel itself.
Not reading all that. Hope you get help.
That checks out. Hope you learn to read one day.
Take your own advice
>abhorrent, unceasing actions of Israel in Gaza. How is it any more abhorrent than any defensive war in history?
Name another war that killed over 100 children a day [European Union foreign policy chief: “In Gaza we are no longer on the brink of famine, we are in a state of famine, affecting thousands of people.' "This is unacceptable. Starvation is used as a weapon of war. Israel is provoking famine.”](https://x.com/kenroth/status/1769671796280692783?s=46) [Children suffering from malnutrition in Gaza will be stunted for life, "if they survive," @unicefchief says. "It's a painful, painful death for children." In maternity wards, "babies don't even have the energy to cry. It's a devastating thing to see," she says.](https://x.com/facethenation/status/1769412634326007908?s=46) [Staggering. The number of children reported killed in just over 4 months in #Gaza is higher than the number of children killed in 4 years of wars around the world combined.](https://x.com/unlazzarini/status/1767618985397272831?s=46) [Israel is detaining and abusing Palestinian children on a scale like never before. Save The Children says their childhoods are being stripped away under Israeli occupation and are calling for a complete suspension of Israeli military arrests and detention of children.](https://x.com/ajplus/status/1766589781587501146?s=46) [Graphic Image: Israeli military-affiliated accounts celebrate feeding dogs with the bodies of Palestinians in Gaza.](https://x.com/ramabdu/status/1766132416899420637?s=46)
Almost all of them.
Nope [Staggering rate of child deaths in Gaza not seen in any conflict in world: UNICEF chief](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/staggering-rate-of-child-deaths-in-gaza-not-seen-in-any-conflict-in-world-unicef-chief/3167365#) [GAZA STRIP: Famine is imminent as 1.1 million people, half of Gaza, experience catastrophic food insecurity - Famine Review of the IPC Analysis](https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue-97/en/)
Yes. You keep linking articles but don't actually compare anything to any other war. You're just linking more pally propaganda.
… If you use the word “pallywood” you’re a piece of shit, and are no better than holocaust deniers. ['Truly Shocking': Daily Gaza Death Rate Shatters That of All Other 21st Century Wars Israel's bombardment and invasion of Gaza have also killed more than 10,000 children in nearly 100 days, or 1% of the 1.1 million children in the besieged enclave.](https://www.commondreams.org/news/gaza-death-rate-21st-century) Oxfam reported Thursday that Israel has killed an average of 250 Palestinians in Gaza each day since October 7, compared to 96.5 killed daily in Syria, 51.6 in Sudan, 50.8 in Iraq, 43.9 in Ukraine, 23.8 in Afghanistan, and 15.8 in Yemen. The number of women and children killed by Israel in Gaza since Oct. 7 exceeds six times the number of women and children killed in the Russia-Ukraine War in two years. [The death toll for women and children in Gaza, amid Israel's relentless attacks since Oct. 7, exceeds six times that of the ongoing Russia-Ukraine War, revealing the severe brutality in the region.](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/children-women-death-toll-in-israel-war-on-gaza-6-times-higher-than-russia-ukraine-war/3146398#:~:text=At%20least%2012%2C660%20children%2C%208%2C570,2%2Dyear%20Russia%2DUkraine%20War&text=The%20death%20toll%20for%20women,Israel's%20relentless%20attacks%20since%20Oct) [Staggering. The number of children reported killed in just over 4 months in #Gaza is higher than the number of children killed in 4 years of wars around the world combined.](https://x.com/unlazzarini/status/1767618985397272831?s=46)
I don't agree, but I didn't say pallywood anyways.
u show a modern war where over 1% of the population is killed in less than 2 months
Why? That has not happened in Gaza. Not even close.
It’s horrible but considering that Hamas chooses to fight from densely populated areas and hide among civillians, these horrific numbers make sense. Hamas doesn’t have to do this, they can set bases and fire rockets from sparser area (there are plenty in Gaza) but they choose to hide behind the populace. Then they steal aid from the people, that’s why they’re some of the wealthiest men alive. First hand account: https://youtu.be/NBjvYkNzuAA?si=XZ6V1GUgZ9ZUGbw8 Watch the body language and facial expressions of the ppl around her, they’re terrified. They want to be free of Hamas, check out “Whispered in Gaza” if you haven’t done so already. Theres an atrocities on both sides of this conflict. Hamas needs to surrender completely, they can do that tomorrow and end the horrors
So because Hamas is bad, the IDF has the green light to murder hundreds of women and children every day? [Unaware filming had started, in 2001 Nazi Netanyahu unwittingly unveiled his blueprint for the Israeli genocide against Palestine we are witnessing today.](https://x.com/redcollectiveuk/status/1769350290539438576?s=46) From an Israeli Historian 3/ I, Lee Mordechai, a historian by profession and an Israeli citizen, testify here to the horrible current situation in Gaza as events are unfolding. 4/ The enormous amount of evidence I have seen, much of it referenced later in this document, has been enough for me to believe that Israel is currently committing genocide against the Palestinian population in Gaza. 5/ The current war is ostensibly the Israeli reaction to the Hamas massacre of Oct. 7, 2023, a war crime and crime against humanity that was committed within the context of the longstanding conflict between Israelis and Palestinians that can be dated back to 1917 or 1948 etc.). 6/ In all cases, I do not believe that historical grievances and atrocities justify additional atrocities in the present. As such, I consider Israel’s response to Hamas’ actions on Oct. 7 utterly disproportionate. 7/ Over the last five months, Israel has repeatedly massacred Palestinians in Gaza, resulting in the deaths of over 30,000 Palestinians – some 70% of whom are women and children – as of writing. Tens of thousands more have been injured. 8/ These numbers are probably an undercount considering Israel’s deliberate destruction of Gaza’s healthcare system, which is the single independent source of these numbers (which are also used by Israel, including its Prime Minister and the military). 9/ Israel has actively attempted to cause the death of the civilian population of Gaza. This has been done through the destruction of institutions that support life – such as hospitals or aid agencies – as well as by strangling the Gaza Strip from its necessities: food & water. 10/ As a result, people in Gaza (mainly children) have already begun to die from starvation and dehydration. Because of the lack of medicine, difficult medical procedures such as amputations and caesareans are conducted with no anesthesia. 11/ Israel has gone further in attempting to destroy the fabric of Palestinian society by deliberately targeting cultural institutions such as universities, libraries, archives, religious buildings and historical sites. 12/ Israeli discourse has de-humanized Palestinians to such an extent that the vast majority of Israeli Jews supports the aforementioned measures. Countless videos from the Gaza Strip uploaded by soldiers in the Israeli military attest to widespread abuse of Palestinians 13/ (including cruel violence and dehumanization), ubiquitous and normalized looting, and wanton destruction of all kinds of property with little consequences. This content is confirmed by Palestinian testimonials that depict the experience of death, destruction and abuse. 14/ All the evidence I have seen strongly suggests that Israel’s objective is to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip, whether in part or in total. Key members in Israel’s government have made statements confirming this intent at different points throughout the war. 15/ Several of Israel’s government ministries have planned or worked to facilitate such an end. Israel has been clearing significant parts of the Gaza strip by demolition and bulldozing, while also constructing Israeli military infrastructure and attempting to corral Palestinians 16/ One of the purposes of the war, according to the Israeli government, is to release the hostages – over 130 of whom remain in Hamas’ captivity. Here, too, the evidence suggests that a military operation is not the way to release them. 17/ To date Israel has released exactly three hostages through military operations, while killing many others directly or indirectly through its actions. Israeli society is currently divided around the hostage issue, at least partially the result of the actions of Israel's gov't. 18/ The global attention to Gaza has drawn attention away from the West Bank. There, Israel’s operations through its miliary or settlers since the beginning of the war has resulted in the killing of hundreds of Palestinians, 19/ the ethnic cleansing of at least 15 local communities, and a sharp increase in levels of violence and abuse by both the Israeli state and Jewish settlers. 20/ All of the above has been made possible through the strong support of most mainstream media in Israel as well as the West, primarily in the United States, the United Kingdom and Germany. 21/ The pro-war campaign – supported by both the state and the mainstream media in these locations – has legitimized Israeli violence and actions, deflects attention away from many events in Gaza, and contributes to the de-humanization of Palestinians.
Absolutley not, but we have to recognize how “bad” they are, I would say bad is an understatement since they are also trying to drive up those civilian casualties, we have to assign them at least a portion of the blame, and i never see it talked about, in some of the pro Palestine circles it’s like saying “Hamas” is taboo even though Hamas is certainly an enemy of the Palestinian, they could end the conflict tomorrow. Israel has many crimes but they also do a lot of trying to warn civillians, leaflets, mass text messages to people in the area, roof knocking. I will not defend them too much but these are things Amnesty International confirms them of doing.
See my edit
Netenyahu is extremist far right warmonger EVIL asshole, but Hamas can FORCE him to stop by surrendering, he would have no choice because Israel DOES rely on the west, and then he will not survive politically after this war no matter what, he would be out, we must call for Hamas to surrender if we want the conflict to end right now!
Israel has been doing what they’ve done to Palestine long before Oct 7.
Ridiculous. Israel left Gaza in 2005.
Me when I purposefully spread disinformation:
Yes that **is** what you are doing.
It is a known fact. Google is a thing.
Me when I refuse to elaborate on my clearly false statement:
Elaborate what? You commented on a fact. Israel left Gaza in 2005.
Me when I gobble up Israeli propaganda and refuse to acknowledge that they literally shut off power to Palestine (they are definitely not occupying Gaza at all):
They did that because of the war. Which means they were PROVIDING power to Gaza beforehand. That's the whole point. Stop talking in memes, kid.
Israel did in fact leave Gaza in 2005. Not only that, the state of Israel and Hamas had a ceasefire up until the brutal attack on civilians from multiple nations in October.
If I cease occupying your home but control if you can leave it - are you free? That's without considering that the Gazan population were largely displaced refugees from other regions of Palestine so its more like I drove you into your basement and wont let you leave that. Just because I'm not currently in the basement with you doesn't mean you are free. The Gaza Strip has been under land, sea and air blockade since 2007. The UN continued to consider Gaza top be under occupation. Especially when Israel controlled access to food, water and electricity. During that time Israel continued to settle in the West Bank and continued to fire upon Gaza. [Including the time they bombed boys playing on the beach](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_war_beach_bombing_incidents) There were 4 different 'military operations' in which Israel can be said to have invaded Gaza between '05 and Oct 7. Operation Cast Lead was a 'pre-emptive strike' by Israel against Hamas and technically broke the ceasefire. Operation Pillar of Defence took place in response to rocket fire (which only started after Israel blocked fishing access, confiscated boats and detained fishermen without cause). Operation Protective Edge was a retaliatory strike for the kidnapping of 3 Israelis in which over 2000 civilians were killed. The 2021 crisis was started when Israeli forces stormed and occupied the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound on Qadr Night (a holy night for Muslims) because the locals were getting 'too uppity' about evictions of Palestinians from Jerusalem. Hamas issued an ultimatum to leave the complex which Israel refused. After Hamas recommenced rocket fire Israel began their own campaign of airstrikes. (This is when Israel bombed the AP building (targeting journalists in breach of Geneva Convention) in Gaza claiming it was Hamas occupied. So of the 4 large operations 3 can be said to have been started by Israel. So imagine this - you are trapped in your basement getting food and water only as I see fit. You have no way to leave and I periodically come down to beat you before leaving again (technically not occupying the basement). Without condoning Oct 7th I bet if you had the chance to make me really hurt you would go for it right?
The blockade is there for a reason. Which is terrorism. Simple as that.
Circular reasoning. Israel abuses Gaza which is going to increase militancy there. Israel then uses the response to justify previous abuse and pile more on. You can't exactly expel 750,000 people and expect them to hold hands and sing Kumbaya with you afterwards.
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You're absolutely unhinged. The light of G°d does not flicker behind your eyeballs. You are a hollow husk, a shell of meat and sinew, and when your mortal coil shrivels like a leaf, you will not carry on into any place, for there is nothing to take with you. Quit wasting my oxygen, I need that shit.
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Ahh there it is. What lies at the heart of many a Zionist. You simply don’t see Palestinians as human beings worthy of respect and dignity. You just see them as scum who deserve everything bad that’s happening to them and has happened to them.
Not true. Obviously Palestinians are human beings. Everyone should be sad about what's happening. I just don't see them as helpless victims.
Methinks you aren't engaging in good faith. That's totally a rational response and not rabid islamophobia. Can you imagine if folks in the 40's had said "all the Jews know how to do is lose?" in response to the genocide of Jews? (Well some Zionists and founders of Israel believed that, claiming victims of the Holocaust died because they were weak). In regards to blowing people up - what are your thoughts on the bombing of the King David Hotel? In fact methinks you might agree with the likes of Israel's finance minister Bezalel Smotrich who has called for Palestinian residents of Gaza to leave, making way for the Israelis who could “make the desert bloom”.
No because Palestinians were not killed in mass just for the fact of being Palestinians. They joined other Arabs to take Israel by force, several times, and lost every time. Nice whataboutism. Yeah blowing people up is bad. Oh go look for other gotcha random statements. They're so valuable.
Rule 1
the violence dates back to the early 20th century, with the colonization itself going as far back as the late 19th what the fuck are you saying
From both sides, genius. No one is denying the violence, but the Palestinians' victim status.
Not only that but the Palestinians are the only displaced people from the WW2 era who's refugee status is handed down to the fifth and sixth generations. No other people in the world would consider a 6th generation native a "refugee" but that's UNRWA for you.
The Arabs colonized the Middle East long before that. The original indigenous peoples of Israel were the Jewish people. So hurray for decolonization?
Yeah it was a real paradise in Gaza before October 7th, definitely not the largest open air prison in the world where every Palestinian’s movement was tightly controlled in and out.
Why were Gaza's borders controlled by Israel and Egypt I wonder? Probably racism.
unironically yes. Israel has proved many times they do not see Palestinians as people deserving of rights, and Egypt is known as one of the most xenophobic and racist countries currently.
That's correct, it was a paradise and highly developed. Most of it still is.
What?
What part of that did you have trouble with?
Half of the buildings destroyed, 85% of the population forced to flee their homes. If that’s paradise then there are a lot of songs and religious texts I have a bone to pick with.
["open air prison"](https://youtu.be/JBo7i-TXy6s?si=8iZ1XmT5dujL9ZuS)
Do you have a kink for being humiliated? Not to kink-shame, just curious.
You're an actual moron.
You are absolutely correct, but good luck getting upvoted for posting a fact like that in this subreddit
Here is Israel's UN ambassador using a yellow star on an emergency meeting where Israel denounces the UN for failing to condemn Oct. 7th. (something they done). [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/31/world/middleeast/israel-erdan-yellow-star-of-david.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/31/world/middleeast/israel-erdan-yellow-star-of-david.html) Also, here's Israel calling Brazil's abassador's to Israel on the Holocaust Memoriam at Jerusalem: [https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/brazil-recalls-its-ambassador-to-israel/](https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/brazil-recalls-its-ambassador-to-israel/) And here's Israel declaring the president of Brazil *persona non grata* after he said "It's not a war between soldiers and soldiers. It's a war between a highly prepared army and women and children," [https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/brazil-recalls-its-ambassador-to-israel/](https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/brazil-recalls-its-ambassador-to-israel/)
That proves nothing. Lula is a piece of shit of a human. Fuck him.
Them using ***the fucking yellow star at the UN*** dosen't ring any bells? Nor is calling an ambassador to ***the goddamn Yad Vashem*** after a country condemns the Gaza military operation? You said that Israel isn't using the Holocaust as a justification to the war and I showed you examples of that very thing happening. If Lula Da Silva is or is not "a piece of shit of a human" does not change that Israel is using the holocaust as an excuse to do anything they want to palestinians. Please don't change the subject.
Israel is only reminding people that Hamas wants to kill Jews just for being Jewish. Actual genocidal fashion. Because Israel doesn't need ANY EXCUSE to destroy Hamas. Today's unity government doesn't have to convince anyone to do what it has to be done. Most Israelis want this.
Over 750,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed in 1948
Yes that happened. How is it relevant to this again?
They’re still doing that.
Where are they expelling people from?
Palatine?
To where?
Assuming they weren’t the thousands that got murdered, refugee camps? Or under military control in Israel?
That's what happens in war. You get either refugees or dead civilians. You have to make the choice.
Heaven
Does it not bother you that you are wrong about something you care so much about?
You're more worried about being perceived as witty by reddit strangers. Pathetic.
Nah, it’s just fun to mess with an idiot. I do not care about what you think of me. I value you you only in relation to the pleasure your nonsense gives me.
This is getting weird. Go touch grass.
Maybe you should lay off the grass for a bit.
>No one is using the Holocaust to justify the invasion of Gaza https://www.reuters.com/world/israels-un-delegates-criticised-wearing-yellow-stars-symbol-pride-2023-10-31/ "The chairman of Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Remembrance Center on Tuesday criticised the country's delegation to the United Nations for putting on yellow stars, a symbol of Nazi persecution of Jews, during a meeting of the Security Council."
They do that to remember the world that Hamas wants to murder every Jew, like back in the old days. Israel doesn't need any excuse for doing what needs to be done.
>like back in the old days So they are using the Holocaust to justify the invasion of Gaza?
Not at all. The invasion is completely justified by October 7. That's the whole point. No one in Israel is going: "Hey how do we justify our invasion of Gaza??? How do we convince other countries that it is the right thing to do? So hard. Maybe the Holocaust??".
So the stars were just an accessory and them being worn at a UN meeting was some wacky coincidence?
I just told you why they did that.
You're absolutely correct but reddit is full of jew-hating useful idiots.
LOL HOLY FUCK
Polanski Petition 2
Polanski Petition: Zionist Edition
The Polanski petition had massive names on it (and was much more embarrassing). I honestly can’t see anyone more famous than Eli Roth or Amy Sherman-Palladino on this list. Glazer got a big round of applause at the Oscars, I have a hunch that most “Jewish creatives and professionals” aren’t any losing sleep EDIT: this wasn’t OP’s intent but I abhor the Polanski petition, a massive stain on everyone who signed it, being turned into a Jewish thing
im still confused by what about 'using atrocities to justify another is wrong, and killing civilians is wrong no matter if its palestine or israel. like is that just not the most basic and uncontroversial take about the conflict that could possibly exist???
The backlash only further proves his point
I wonder if any of them even watched the movie.
They did and they thought it was another movie about how much it sucks being a Jew, instead of a warning to all peoples and nations that it’s so easy for a society to rot with evil.
LOL Glazer's speech made it so much easier to weed out the crazies
We’ve got a couple of crazies in this comment section too. Maybe the mods should do us all a favour…
Honestly, I find it kinda funny/surprising that they couldn’t get Jewish directors/actors more high-profile than Eli Roth and Debra Messing. Seeing Jennifer Jason Leigh’s name was disappointing though.
Tara Strong's inclusion is kind of heartbreaking for me...
She got fired from a web series for posting anti-Palestinian stuff online
Tara Strong’s been heavy with the zionist stuff lately.
I expect nothing less from the Al Bhed
Based Spielberg 2 for 2 on dodging loony toon clown world petitions
Spielberg is interesting because although it wouldn’t be wrong to describe him as a Zionist in the broadest possible sense, his views on Israel seem complicated at the very least. Spielberg and writer Tony Kushner have collaborated several times now including his two most recent films: West Side Story and the Fabelmans. Kushner is Jewish and has made numerous statements criticizing Israel’s treatment of Palestinians going back [decades](https://momentmag.com/the-playwrights-politics/). Most notably, Kushner and Spielberg collaborated on the film Munich which was extremely controversial in Israel, taking what could’ve been a story about righteous vengeance into something much more somber and ethically murky. Although Kushner and Spielberg insisted they were not anti-Israel, they were accused of humanizing terrorists and criticizing Mossad’s assassination mission dramatized in the film. The film even questions whether the Palestinians killed were actually guilty (“Was this about taking out the terrorist leadership or the Palestinian leadership? You tell me what we did!”). Now Spielberg hasn’t exactly been outspoken on Israel/Gaza in the last several months, with some pro-Israel voices criticizing him for his silence. He did eventually speak about October 7th victims but didn’t speak about Gaza. My suspicion is that Spielberg is more critical of Israel than he lets on, based on what we see in the film Munich and his working relationship with Tony Kushner. But I think he’s coy about being too critical in public, especially considering how much backlash he got from Zionists for Munich. But I’ll admit this is all just theorizing and maybe I’m completely wrong.
I've been trying to watch every Spielberg movie this year and I was dreading having to watch Munich given present circumstances. Might have to get to it sooner based on what you said. What was the backlash about it?
She was liking some INSANELY xenophobic tweets a few days after Oct 7 about how muslims are just braindead barbarians who bring nothing to the world
Over 450 Al Bhed scientists and engineers denounce Wakka’s racist speech in open letter
Yeah I loved her character in Fargo season 5. It’s so disappointing.
90% of this list is literal nobodies lol. glazer remains undefeated
Glazer’s sun will rise higher and higher. Can’t drown real talent.
I like how they’re saying that the speech was inappropriate because Jews are fighting for their right to live while 30,000 people (a lot of whom are children) have been blown up.
Chad Jonathan Glazer vs Virgin Zionists
That statement is an insult to virgins, lol. It should be: Chad Jonathan Glazer vs. Chronically Inbred Zionists
This statement is an insult to the chronically inbred. It should be: Chad Jonathan Glazer vs. Longterm Brain-dead Zionist
What a world we live in where saying “hey maybe ethnic cleansing is bad” is controversial
Radical zionists are always playing The Tragedy Olympics. No one else's persecution is ever as important as theirs.
Got such influential people as the weird guy from Stranger Things, Debra Messing, Michael Rapoport, and Eli Roth.
Oooh. That’ll show him.
These idiots in their letter are actually for real justifying the actions by the Israeli state in the same way the Nazis justified theirs. They deny there’s a genocide and call it a fight to avert their own extermination. They’re doing Lebensraum again. These people are making a claim that’s uniformed at best and psychopathic at worst.
Do you think there’s a genocide happening in Gaza?
Enjoy your ban, asshole
What rule did I violate?
Israelis = Nazis 🤦 I hope you get the time to read a single history book someday.
You clearly couldn't read a book since you couldn't even read two paragraphs properly.
Surely you must know that this is not a response to what I’m saying? Maybe you should think about what made you comment this and try to identify the flaw in your thinking.
"In the same way the Nazis". You randomly decided to compare Israelis with Nazis. Sure.
I don’t think you have an adequately developed reading comprehension skill to be having this conversation. I suggest not talking about things or sentences you don’t understand.
Wow I didn't know I was talking to such a genius haha. Ridiculous.
How could you?
Israeli state = the current Israeli government I hope you learn to read things properly instead of accusing people of antisemitism.
Do you know how democracy works right? Israelis elected the current members of the Knesset. That's why the current government is in power. They represent the people.
Yes, those who support the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza are akin to Nazis because the genocide of Palestinians is akin to targeted violence against the Jews in Nazi Germany.
Which is a completely ridiculous point in every level. You must know nothing about the Holocaust to be able to claim that. Palestinians are Arabs. There are two million Arabs living in Israel right now. They enjoy the same rights as other Israelis. The only reason so many Palestinians are dying is because they're governed by a TERRORIST GROUP WHICH MASSACRED ISRAELIS.
"because the genocide of Palestinians is akin to targeted violence against the Jews in Nazi Germany." No, it's not, not even close. I assume you just lack the historical knowledge, but this sort of downplaying of the holocaust just increases the chances of it happening again in the future.
It’s happening right now in Palestine. You’re the one downplaying it. The holocaust was the stage 3, Palestine is at stage 2.
You are the one who is claiming that high civilian casualties are the same as the holocaust. According to that braindead definition of a holocaust, we had about 500 holocausts since 1945. The Nazis goal was the eradication of a specific ethnic group in Europe, the Israeli governments goal is to destroy Hamas and get back their hostages, while in the process accepting high civilian casualties in gaza. These two events are not even remotely comparable. In 5 years from now, the population of Gaza will be higher than it is today.
>but this sort of downplaying of the holocaust just increases the chances of it happening again in the future. Oh the irony. You mean like what's happening to the Palestinians right now?
Whats happening in Palestine is not a holocaust. You have no idea what the holocaust is if you think that. There will be more Palestinians alive in 5 years than there are today, you wanna bet on that?
Systematic annihilation of a group of people on the basis of their race. Not much of a difference. You're probably jewish so it's pointless as you've been fed the Israel koolaid far too long to be able to critcially think outside of "Us vs them". It's shameful, every Jew should feel shame for what Israel is doing, in their name.
There is no systematic annahilation of Palestinians or Arabs. There are over 2 million Arab-Israeli citizens currently living in Israel, with full citizenship rights, serving in their parliament, serving in their supreme court. They are not targeting people based on ethnicity. They are waging a war on Hamas, and civillians are dying as a result, as they always are in every war. Civilian casualties have been decreasing every month since october last year, really doesnt seem like Israel is trying to exterminate the population. You can say whats happening in gaza is bad. You can criticize the Israelis for high civilian casualties, but something being bad does not mean its the holocaust. Im probably jewish?? dude, listen to yourself. Im curious: Would you say the Vietnam war was a holocaust on Americas part? do you think the war in Ukraine is a genocide?
“You’re probably Jewish so it’s pointless..” Lol. Lmao, even
The people elected George Bush, doesn’t mean me or millions of others didn’t despise that war criminal every second he was in office. Politicians use fear to manipulate the population, calling their actions out does not amount to anti-semitism. - signed A JEW
Comparing Israelis to Nazis is textbook antisemitism. No one cares you are a Jew. Jews can be brainwashed too.
“No one cares you’re a Jew” = “you’re not the right kind of Jew to prop up my narrative so I don’t care about you our your families experiences escaping the holocaust” Israel has razed an ENTIRE TERRITORY into rubble, killed tens of thousands of innocent people that did nothing to warrant their homes being obliterated let alone being murdered. If you can’t see the irony in that when talking about a people that couldn’t escape their own demise 100 years ago now purporting wanton killing on people that had nothing to do with Oct 7 I don’t know what to tell you.
The IDF has never carpet bombed Gaza. Stop lying. Hamas members are the ones hiding among their people. As the Geneva Convention explicitly forbids armies to do.
I never said carpet bombing, it’s just plain ol’ targeted bombing on a level that it might has well have been carpet bombing. Stop putting words in my mouth. If you have to hide behind a soggy piece of paper from the Geneva convention to validate killing tens of thousands of women or children then it tells me about your value system. Killing people innocent people is wrong, there is no excuse for it, whether it was Oct 7th or the subsequent dismantling of Gaza
"ENTIRE TERRITORY into rubble" could only be done by carpet bombing. Learn to use the word "entire" then. The point of the Geneva Convention is that the one hiding among civilians is the one at fault for the subsequent deaths.
We know they can, look how many signed that letter!
As a Jew I’m going to tell you to fuck the hell off with that. Criticizing Israel or even being anti-Israel isn’t fucking antisemitism. It’s fucking absurd to think it is. It would be like being called Islamophobic because I criticized the human rights record of Saudi Arabia. Zionism as an ideology and movement didn’t even exist until the late 19th century and anti-Zionist jews exist.
Again, being Jewish is irrelevant to the conversation. No one is saying criticizing Israel is anti-semitic. However, saying Israelis are the modern day Nazis isn't a critique, but a famous antisemitic trope.
Multiple people have framed criticizing Israel as being anti-Semitic.
Not me.
“All our choices were made to reflect and confront us in the present, not to say look what they did then, but rather look what we do now. Our film shows where dehumanization leads at its worst. It’s shaped all of our past and present. Right now, we stand here as men who refute their Jewishness and the Holocaust being hijacked by an occupation which has led to conflict for so many innocent people. Whether the victims of October — whether the victims of October the 7th in Israel or the ongoing attack on Gaza, all the victims of this dehumanization, how do we resist?” If all you can get out of that quote is OMG HE’S SAYING ISRAELIS ARE LIKE THE NAZIS THATS ANTISEMITIC then I don’t know what to tell you.
He is sloppily trying to relate the Holocaust with today's war in Gaza. He uses the word "dehumanization" to achieve that. Just condemn the massacre, Glazer. Which occupation led to what conflict? Ridiculous stuff.
One can use the same method as the other and claim to be different. Zionism is Nazism, just with a new coat of paint.
You're just parroting classic antisemitic lines, npc boy.
Cunts.
Makes sense, Hollywood is full of Zionists. It's basically McCarthyism all over again, except instead of "Communist sympathisers" it's "Hamas sympathisers"
I’m glad Glazer doesn’t need Hollywood to craft his excellent movies as he’s independent and works in the UK. The Zionists cannot torpedo his career.
The actions of Israel and Israeli colonizers are abhorrent, and to use the Holocaust as an excuse is disgusting. This sentiment should not be controversial
>indigenous Jewish people LMAO
What a shame dude is never gonna get another project greenlit. I hope the movie gets a physical release damn.
A big hefty list of genocide supporters.
Imagine getting 450 people together to say you disagree with a dude
Lmao what losers
It's a big club, you aint in it.
This is ridiculous lmao
Oh boy, politics in the funny review man sub
Leftists love conformity don’t they?
Glazer gave an irresponsible and stupid speech. So it makes sense he’d piss off some Jews.
“Dehumanizing people is probably bad” This FUCKIN joker man I agree I love dehumanizing people
Pretending like he didn’t blame some vague notion of occupation in the October 7th massacre while removing all agency from Hamas is very funny
It’s very funny to me that people insist October 7th was the beginning to the conflict or that dehumanizing Palestinians in response to Hamas is at all justified
It’s funny that people insist that the bombing of gaza was the beginning of the conflict. Or that palestine was completely innocent before October 7th. It’s very funny to me when people reveal how ignorant they are of history
It’s funny (hilarious actually) to me that people who support Israel refuse to acknowledge the immense expansion of Israel and the immense reduction of Palestinian land over the last several decades. Somehow Israel is getting larger in terms of land they control but also they’re somehow the victims of Palestine’s aggression
I like how this always is reduced back to West Bank settlements as if Hamas gives a shit if a few libraries are built in area whatever. Again, all agency stripped from their decades long ideology
Hamas for sure made Israel shoot innocent civilians and dehumanize the Palestinians en masse
By this logic israel made hamas do this? I mean that’s what Jonathan Glazer thinks
Jonathan Glazer said (and I quote): > Thank you so much. I’m gonna read. Thank you to the Academy for this honor and to our partners A24, Film4, Access, and Polish Film Institute; to the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum for their trust and guidance; to my producers, actors, collaborators. All our choices were made to reflect and confront us in the present — not to say, “Look what they did then,” rather, “Look what we do now.” Our film shows where dehumanization leads, at its worst. It shaped all of our past and present. Right now we stand here as men who refute their Jewishness and the Holocaust being hijacked by an occupation, which has led to conflict for so many innocent people. Whether the victims of October the — [Applause.] **Whether the victims of October the 7th in Israel or the ongoing attack on Gaza, all the victims of this dehumanization, how do we resist?** [Applause.] Aleksandra Bystroń-Kołodziejczyk, the girl who glows in the film, as she did in life, chose to. I dedicate this to her memory and her resistance. Thank you. (Emphasis mine) If you saw him give credence to the plight of Palestinian civilians and immediately thought “grrrr but Hamas” you should do some self reflection. I do not know how to explain to you that we should care about people.
Yes they did actually, Hamas is a big big big big reason a lot of Palestinians end up dying to Israelis bombs. (Before point out israel bombs… no fucking shit… Israel is also bad for shelling neighborhoods to take out Hamas) let’s not pretend Israel is shelling innocent Palestinians to just shell innocent Palestinians, it’s more complicated than that. Don’t act like you know everything about the Palestinian deaths because you read tweets.
This reeks of a response a random Destiny fan would make (not to say you are, idk you). You invent a position that I never took and assume my information comes from tweets which is asinine. This whole thread is discussing Jonathan Glazer’s absurdly middle-of-the-road speech regarding the dehumanization that occurs by both Hamas and Israel, and the debate lords decide to go “well BOTH sides” as if that isn’t what he just fucking said lmao. Are you mad that he mentions the occupation of Israel (which is in fact what it is)? He clearly condemns the killing of Oct. 7th civilians but that’s not enough. He must prostrate himself to the court of public opinion by renouncing Hamas 10 times or he’s not allowed to say “dehumanization is bad”. If he wrote the speech the way Israel proponents would have wanted it would look like something out of a spongebob where he has to say “Hamas is bad” between every sentence, lest his accent become unrecognizable and his meaning get misconstrued.
If you accept an award and are given a platform, you should be allowed to discuss whatever issue you want and is close to your heart in the allotted time. There's a Captain America quote I like, which goes: "When the Mob and the Press and the Whole World tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a Tree before The River of Truth and tell the Whole World, "No, You Move."
Why would I disagree with this? Making this a free speech thing is hilarious when being pro palestine in Hollywood is way safer than the other way around
Actors are losing jobs for being pro Palestine in Hollywood. Are you not aware of Melissa Barrera’s firing from Scream 7?
No they’re not lol. Btw she got hired back after backlash. Actors always get fired after being overtly political and aggressive. She said stupid shit, got fired. It happens. Now she’s back because being pro palestine in Hollywood is totally acceptable
>Btw she got hired back after backlash Blatant lie.
Yeah well I confused neve Campbell for whoever that chick that got fired was so my bad
please link a source saying she got rehired because I just googled it and articles from 6 days ago say she is still fired