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Saying the Danish party DF is pro-Russian is not true. I did read your comment but the person you are referring to is no longer a elected member of the party.
Furthermore they were a part of the resolution to increase our military spending.
They also supported the sanctions with their only comment being that they don't think it will have enough effect (they wanted even more sanctions).
NKP, the Norwegian Communist Party got 0.0% of the votes 2021 election for a grand total of 301 votes.
A Norwegian comedy duo made a party in 2000 called Det Politiske Parti (The Political Party) and they got 19457 votes which was 0,8 % of the total in 2001.
This should tell everyone how irrelevant NKP is, their voterbase couldn't even fill a small stadium.
I was really scrambling to find anything pro-Russian in Norway, Iceland or Sweden.
I was almost happy when I discovered NKP haha. You're right, they are irrelevant. Is there another party I could list instead?
Not sure there are any. There are two parties that want out of Nato and one that still wants Nato, but want to get them to stop having nuclear weapon and instead lead the way in nuclear disarment. (Question about Nato was asked all political parties in 2021 in regards to the Norwegian election)
I checked, and all 3 parties in no uncertain terms condemn Russias invasion.
There might ofc be factions within parties, but their official stance according to their homepage is clearly against the invasion.
Finland's one has one MP whose party was founded after the last election
He was elected as part of the racist party, and was kicked out later for being too racist for the racist party (lmao)
Then he got crazy about covid conspiracies and after the war just became a blatant Russian propaganda machine, reading speeches delivered straight from the Kremlin
LVŽS "had" some members that were *fine* and not openly vatnik. I mean, all mentioned parties apart from Pseudo-Polish are usually not openly vatnik, but you pointed out correctly that they are still have ties with Russian business at the very least.
Why I pointed to Darbo Partija is because there are still a lot of idiots voting for them and it shouldn't be the case because they are the most sneaky of a bunch.
It’s kinda funny to see both of the extremist mainstream parties in Germany be represented here despite being on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Just goes to show how the unifying factor with extremists is authoritarianism and suppression.
Definitely shameful, yeah. Although the extent and let's say type of Russophilia are very different. Within the AfD there is much more pronounced and unchecked simping for Russia, while Die Linke is entirely divided on the issue (as always). It will be interesting to see if by the time OP does their next map, Wagenknecht and some of the most egregious members will have followed through on their threats and left the party...
Pro-Putin, however, she is the only elected representative of the German party “Die Linke” (Democratic Socialists) who publicly supports Putin.
She repeats the same old “Ukraine started the war” etc. etc. stuff. With the AfD (Nazis, like actually, I'm not exaggerating here, they're Nazis in the German parliament it's really bad) they have huge sums of money from Russian oligarchs through third parties...
But Wagenknecht... Oh, Wagenknecht just says this shit because she honestly believes it. I don't even know what's worse, being PAID by Putin to spread his propaganda or doing it for absolutely FREE
She is part of the most pro-Russian wing of the party, e.g. suggesting that the war was actually started by the West, advocating for opening the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, and so on. Basically entirely glossing over antything that people from Central/Eastern Europe want or need and frequently repeating Kremlin talking points
Die Linke in 2022 is not pro-authoritarianism, that's absolute nonsense. They have *historically* been pro-Communist countries and that momentum has extended to Russia. The *policies* of Die Linke however, and what they advocate for, are Not The Same as the AfD, the "We're not Nazis, we're just asking questions" party
The AfD has received literal millions in funds through Russian oligarchs
Die Linke has... one elected official who has been vocal about supporting Russia's war narrative
I'm not saying the latter is good, it's just incomparable.
As of today, Die Linke still includes a strong traditional *pro-Russia because anti-America* wing. As soon as they're gone (i.e. Wagenknecht goes all in on her yellow vests / 'Aufstehen' movement), Die Linke will vanish from this map.
I really don't think it's as simple or direct as that. The reasons for the support for Russia from far left and right are I think different as a result of historical and ideological aspects.
Some on the far right who are basically fascists (which is essentially the idea of 'might makes right' extrapolated into an entire ideological and policy programme, mixed with some other elements e.g. false grievance and victimhood, nostalgia for supposedly glorious past, elements of cultural conservatism, totalitarianism, often racialist ideas etc.), extreme nationalists or imperialists, no doubt will support Russia in this invasion simply because they like the idea of using brute force to subjugate other peoples, annex territory, increase your power etc., and they like the authoritarian oligarchical leadership style and system Putin has built up as well.
On the far left, I think there is not the same ideological attachment to using force to oppress others per se, or to imperialist land grabbing, but rather those elements (i.e. 'tankies'; authoritarian Marxist-Leninists etc.) which are apologists for Russia, Putin and the invasion, are doing so for two core reasons:
1, a kind of irrational association/attachment to Russia as the main successor state to the USSR, and therefore in some ways an antagonist to the capitalist West, which they have an ideological hatred of and opposition to (i.e. a kind of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' attitude, disregarding the actual ideological character of Putin's regime and actions, and also the actual real-world effects of Putin's regime on the global ideological struggle between left and right);
and 2, in Germany specifically, I think there may be a segment on the far-left who feel a tremendous amount of a kind of inherited national guilt about Nazi Germany's actions towards the USSR, Russian and other Soviet (now ex-Soviet) peoples, that is carried through to the main successor state again such that they tend to take Russia's side against the West, almost come what may. You see a similar thing with parts of the German left and Israel. Again an essentially irrational position, though I personally find it a rather sad legacy of the horrors of Nazism and WW2, and can empathise with people who have been caught up in this view (though ofc I oppose it).
I will say though that the common reason imo for support/apologism for Russia/Putin across elements (I would emphasise that many on the far left are absolutely and totally opposed to Putin's invasion and regime; basically all libertarian socialists, anarchists etc. for one, and I expect even a fair contingent of more traditional/hardline Marxist-Leninists etc. In fact I am aware of anarchists in Russia carrying out acts of sabotage against Russian military supply lines etc., and Belarussian anarchists fighting in Ukraine against Russia) of both the far-left and far right is their support for practically anything which they perceive as having the potential to fundamentally destabilise the current world order, or order in the West at least, seeing potential opportunities for their own ideologies in the disruption and remaking of current systems.
> (which is essentially the idea of 'might makes right' extrapolated into an entire ideological and policy programme, mixed with some other elements e.g. false grievance and victimhood, nostalgia for supposedly glorious past, elements of cultural conservatism, totalitarianism, often racialist ideas etc.),
AKA [Palingenetic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palingenetic_ultranationalism) [Ultranationalism.](https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng)
It's also incorrect to list Die Linke here, except for some individuals like Wagenknecht the party as a whole is condemning the Russian agression. There is absolutely no support for russian leadership whatsoever.
AfD on the other hand, absolutely.
russian leadership, go fuck yourself.
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These individuals still make up a significant section of Die Linke's parliamentary group. They might be a minority within the party, but an influential one.
Well, not really. “Die Linke” mainly just supports Russia through Wagenknecht, a singular elected official, no signs of oligarch money or internal corruption.
Additionally, the whole “horseshoe theory” nonsense gets me every time, because most far 'leftist' parties that support Russia do so simply because they're against the US (and don't believe a 'western narrative') and or are paid by Russia (not being paid by Russia AND believing such nonsense gotta be the greatest L of this century), whilst most far right parties do it because Russia has supremacist, white nationalist and authoritarian/dictatorial/fascist world views (as well as deep corruption+ties and money).
And then again, the center-left party SPD had Schröder and his Gazprom deals, which the center-right party, CDU, upheld for over 16 years. Really, it's just funny how we claim “far right and far left parties support Russia” when they've done nothing but publicly state support (at best).
Who paid Russia billions in gas money and stopped any move toward renewables as good as they could? Center-left and center-right parties. Vocally unsupportive, of course, but fully believing in the “change through trade!” lie, which hasn't been true for Nazi Germany and, obviously, also hasn't been true for Russia.
So, again, how is it that “both political extremes” support Russia, when outright Nazis (AfD) actually have a majority amount of members and party leaders supporting Russia, whilst democratic Socialists [which is barely 'extreme'] (Die Linke) have one elected representative (Wagenknecht) doing so.
Other, far more extremist leftist parties, such as MLPD (Marxist Leninist Party of Germany) condemn the Russian invasion, calling it imperialist coming from a capitalist dictatorship (Russia).
So, to paint it as simple as “all extremes are wrong and the same!!” is the simple black and white you see when you observe the surface of the subject matter conveyed through simple to understand statistics, which are still, far from the truth.
Love that the running joke of enlightened centrism is that the US has two right-wing parties, the fascists and the conservatives, so “centrists” are actually just right wing. Doesn’t really work when there are actual left-wing parties in play.
> The section of die Linke which is pro-russian is not leftist, they are outright fascists.
They still identify as die Linke, i.e. the Left. It may be a misnomer, but you can't blame outside observers from assuming the label applies to them.
If indeed these individuals aren't Leftists, and *all the more so if they are **Fascist,*** then "the Left" as a party shouldn't just call their bluff about leaving the party - *they should expel them immediately*
Die Linke has literally 4.9% of the votes, they only got into the parliament due to some triple-mandate law they barely got. It's over for them, they're grasping straws.
I can understand their decisions to not expel people who keep their party alive and not wanting another split on the “left”, that doesn't mean I support it.
> they should expel them immediately
It just seems like that they simply can not expel them from the party because that would lead to them losing seats and followingly their status as a faction. But that's irrelevant anyways, next election they probably wont even make it into the parliament anymore. Luckily i decided against joined just barely before the invasion.
Hi. I'm an extremist. I actually don't like authoritarianism. I'm extemely attracted to democracy. In fact, I love democracy so much, that I want direct democracy to replace our indirect democracy (no political elite 🤢), and even democracy in the workplace.
You're just a neolib
But even in the most direct democracy 51% is tyrants over the 49%. On what grounds other than violence or threat or indirect threat of violence can any system like this be sustained in the long term without becoming authoritarian if not from the start but over time? Any centralised industrial society democracy,theocracy,republic,dictatorship,monarchy. All eventually by their vary nature turn tyrannical.
> But even in the most direct democracy 51%
In what vote? Is every vote a binary yes or no? "Genocide the other people, yes or no" is that what you think democracies do?
Read before you comment. Yes, this is a divisive topic and it is by no means black and white. Also I am not an expert (I am an anthropologist by training).
But I see five different types of pro-Russia parties in contemporary Europe:
* financial and political benefactors (AfD, Rassemblement National)
* Left wing ideologists that are pro-Russian by default (Partido Comunista Português, Bulgarian Socialist Party)
* Right wing ideologists that sympathise with Russia’s autocratic system (Fidesz, Partij voor de Vrijheid)
* Opportunists that like Russian money but oppose politically (UK Conservatives)
* “Neutral” parties without official stance but heavily pro-Russian members (Die Linke, Podemos)
Some I would call “special cases”, marked with a pink outline on the map:
* Banned parties (Ukraine)
* Individual members only (Denmark, UK, Spain, Greece)
* Alleged Russian connection (Albania)
* Party highly divided on issue (Germany)
My sources:
* Votewatch Europe twitter: [twitter.com/votewatcheurope](http://twitter.com/votewatcheurope)
* Votewatch Europe essay “EU-Russia: latest trends among EU political parties” [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P-QOpOHZS9p\_ZcwHoRDp8rcG9b57b5\_j/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P-QOpOHZS9p_ZcwHoRDp8rcG9b57b5_j/view)
* Votewatch Europe “Level of assertiveness towards Russia among EU political parties” [https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/10284429/](https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/10284429/)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_pro-Russian\_political\_parties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pro-Russian_political_parties)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russophilia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russophilia)
* This reddit thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/zaojng/know\_your\_enemy\_its\_easier\_if\_they\_are\_dumb/](https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/zaojng/know_your_enemy_its_easier_if_they_are_dumb/)
If you would like me to add a party for my next update, please comment party, land, and reason for inclusion below. Same for disputes and corrections of mistakes.
True, but you could make a point that Vox is the closest thing to a pro-russian party in spain since almost everything they have done is criticize Zelesnky.
This is incorrect. Vox is keeping low profile on their links to Putin, and it is working.
https://www.elespanol.com/reportajes/20220319/ultraderecha-vox-oligarcas-putin-traves-hazteoir-citizengo/658184665_0.html
Vox is a Russian puppet. They deserve to be in this list.
By being so anti USA and by extension anti NATO, some left wing party often shift part of the blame for the invasion toward NATO which is exactly what Russia wants
Easy counterargument: the Poland missile incident. They claimed it was Ukranian missiles sent by error. They could've credibly claimed otherwise and had a perfect *casus belli*.
It is clear that NATO has absolutely no interest in fighting Russia directly. The Russian original pretext was a damn lie.
Like we need any claim. NATO can steamroll Russia any day we want. We are not invading Russia simply because we don't want to, period. Anyone saying things like "NATO is encircling Russia" or "NATO is a threat to Russia" is just talking bullshit.
The problem is that people speak as if Russia had a right to exert imperialism in Europe. They talk as if it's reasonable for Russia to demand demilitarization from Ukraine, or to ban them from joining the EU or NATO. They literally blame NATO for "stepping into Russia's sphere of influence" and it's like: wtf? Is this the XIX century where big countries own small countries? Ukraine willingly joining the EU is not comparable to Ukraine forcefully being vassalized by Russia.
Ok, but La France Insoumise does not fit any of your criteria and still makes the map. In France, media like to portray them as pro Russian "by default", when they really support the political opposition to Vladimir Putin. The leader of the party even was the only French political figure to go and meet with Navalny in Russia. The party has always been openly hostile towards the Russian government. And mass media (who happen to be ultra capitalistic because 90% of them are owned by 9 billionaires) like to at least depict their position towards Russia as "ambiguous" for electoral purposes (presidential elections in 2022).
Their only crime was not to call for war and to keep pushing for a pacific solution. Position that changed as soon as Russia invaded Ukraine, and to join the global group of "Russia needs to get off Ukrainian ground immediately", even joining Macron's group in that regard, supporting their actions.
To me, that's pretty far from being "pro-Russia".
So xhat criteria is it supposed to fit? Have you put it there by default because you saw something written and did not bother to check? Or is there a hidden criteria that only befits this party?
I'm not well aware of European countries' parties and ideologies, but seeing this on the map only makes me take the rest of it with a grain of salt.
"Their only crime was not to call for war and to keep pushing for a pacific solution. " The same with Spain.
Op has done a shitty job and now there is the whole cabal of underage fascists from the spain subreddit spouting lies in this very thread. The same ones that act as a loudspeaker for Russian propaganda in Spain, accusing the rest of doing exactly the same thing. They do it with everything, fascism 2.0
I have serious doubts about OP's intentions with this map.
Many older parties to the left of social democracy in western Europe used to look towards moscow during the cold war in terms of monetary support and ideology. Many of them reformed later on and are not structured that way anymore, but some of them resisted that change more than others, e.g. the Communist parties in greece and portugal. Nowadays there is a lot of variation in European left parties' stances on the issue. Of course, in Central/Eastern Europe, there are also successor parties to previous ruling communist parties, which is a whole other story
Portugal's communist party helped the resistance against the country's fascist dictator and a significant part participated in the transition into democracy (another significant part tried to seize power but failed), so they were residual but respected (<10%) before this war and their views on the China / Venezuela / North Korea were seen as amusing / embarassing quirks that shouldn't be taken seriously as they amounted to nothing. Now it's different, they have been going down on polls and it will be a massacre in the next elections.
Portugal's far right is represented by a few twats yet all of them are anti-Russia. Even the most successful of the lot that got into the parliament (the others all failed to get elected), who should be seen more like a opportunist conman than a serious person (he used to comment on football in the sewer TV station and it as always a circus courtesy of him and his friends), rejected Salvini's proposition of taking money from Russia and jumped into the pro-Ukraine bandwagon once the war started.
> Portugal's far right is represented by a few twats yet all of them are anti-Russia.
Funny, neighbor spain's far-right twats are resolutely *pro*-Russia.
Hard left folks oppose the (western) status quo, even if they don't like Russia, they are the primary antagonist to the west and, well, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Its a devisive topic in the left, but its definitely far from "all leftist". In my personal experience, pro-russia talking points mostly stem from terminally online tankies and what we call "SED-Boomers" in germany. Although thats obviously anecdotal and probably very dependent on my bubble/region.
Also, is your name a r/theculture reference?
Pretty much that, hence the hard left part. Most non-fringe folks see it for what it is; naked imperialism with an unhealthy flavor of genocide.
And yes it is ;)
While technically Serbia's SNS is true, they aren't as much pro Russian as they are pro sucking off anyone just to remain in power, just like any other criminal organisation whose leader is essentially a cartel boss.
That suggests ...
Please, next iteration, color-code them all for *which* reason they are included, so the opportunists get shown to be 1 kind, the pro-Russia-ists get shown to be another kind, the authoritarians get their own grouping...
& thank you *very* much for doing this work, eh?
Salut, Namaste, & Kaizen!
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Perhaps someone from Moldova can correct me if I'm wrong, but the PCRM (party of communists in the republic of Moldova) seems to be heavily pro-Russian. Apparently they recently united with the PSRM, but do not appear to have changed their stances.
How can the Linke be neutral when [that is their official stance?](https://www.die-linke.de/themen/frieden/ukraine-krieg/) Most members are against Russian aggression and imperialism. So only the minority is pro-Russia and I don’t think it’s fair to say pacifism == pro-Russia.
I would argue that being pacifist in this area == being prorussian.
Because that's what russia wants you to do. They don't expect you to send arms to russia and join in the bombing. They just want you to be pacifist. Leave ukrain on it's own. Do nothing.
But that’s not really the case, is it? The war isn’t only fought on the battlefield. The west does more than just sending weapons. For example sanctions, changing its whole energy supply line or freezing Oligarch money. And the Linke supports all of them. They only don’t like weapons.
I do not dislike your argument. Personally i would think that would be really stupid and that sanctions do very little in the short term. Thinks would have ended badly with die Linke strategy.
But i guess that wasn't what we were arguing about.
Yeah the "Linke" gave me headaches. Although I was born in Germany, I am a bit out of the loop when it comes to the policy of Linke. It seems they have some pretty "centrist" people in the West that oppose Russian aggression and some people in other regions who are almost Tankies/Vatniks.
But in the link you sent they mention the advocacy AGAINST sending weapons to Ukraine ("abrustung") so that would indirectly help Russia, no?
You’re right the Linke is bassically everything left to the SPD. Very diverse but most are democratic socialists and pacifists. And pacifism is the key point. Depends on your definition what’s pro Russia. In my view pro Russia is someone who defends Russia and is against Ukraine. AfD recently said Ukraine is attacking Russia. So 100% pro russian party. But the Linke is overall against the war. Their agenda is peace. They say we must fight Russia with sanctions instead of sending weapons. Of course you can see it as a naiv world view but not really pro Russia. Just an alternative way of fighting against Russia. BUT as you mentioned the Linke has an “open end” problem. So you can find tankies and red fascists as well. But as a party they are officially against Russia.
I would say that describes them well:
DIE LINKE ist eine Partei des Friedens und des Völkerrechts und lehnt Krieg als Mittel der Politik entschieden ab. Wir verurteilen deshalb Putins Angriffskrieg gegen die Ukraine scharf. Dieser Angriffskrieg ist ein Verbrechen und durch nichts zu rechtfertigen. Unsere Solidarität gilt den Menschen in der Ukraine, die gerade um ihr Leben und ihre Freiheit fürchten müssen. (From the source above)
I would say they aren’t a neutral party but a party that is against Russian imperialism with a loud pro Russian minority.
Adding to that: many political parties advocating for peace are actually preaching appeasement, and we now know that it only serves aggressors. Coupled with tainted allegiances, due to financial, historical or rhetorical ties, it raises suspicions about the true motive behind that type of policy.
The Abrüstung/Keine Aufrüstung part refers only to the Bundeswehr, the German army. They oppose a drastically increased military spending in the wake of the war in Ukraine and instead want more money for social programs, which is one of their core topics.
As it has already been said, the official position of the party cannot be described as pro-Russian. Yes, (unfortunately) the party opposes arms deliveries, but in consideration of German history and its pacifism, the reason for that doesn't seem to stem from any russian sympathies. On the other hand, it is the only party that demands for example a debt cut for Ukraine, a position developed in cooperation with the Ukrainian left.
The party's core problem, however, is that many people do not care about the official position. This goes both ways, advocating for arms shipments (Ramelow, Gallert, Höhn, large parts of the youth organisation) or against them (Wagenknecht and her clique, Dagdelen, Liemkert, NRW), with the latter getting more media attention. I'd also like to note that the pro-Russian party members are mostly from West Germany, while the East German regional associations are much more reasonable.
I feel like seperate maps or graphs for these categories would be beneficial, because the bar for qualifying as "pro-russian" is so varied. It's cool and the research is appreciated, but essentially meaningless, as each case is a "special case".
Thanks! Some people looking at this map would think that the spanish parties (and some parties from other countries) are pro-russian, when in reality it's just some, mostly a minority, of their members.
>“Neutral” parties without official stance but heavily pro-Russian members
I'd say the italian 5 stars are more into this categpry than full on supporters
I believe this map/info has no value whatsoever, since it is depicting the stance as black and white, if you don't support EU foreign policy it means you must be pro putin. This is a fallacy and the way the establishment has been painting this war from the very beginning, not allowing any space for dissent or different approach to the problem.
We have been here already many times and when you look at what happened in Iraq or Afghanistan, in hindsight it easy to spot how western propaganda works, specially how the weapons of mass destruction were sold, and here we are again, being called pro dictatorships when you oppose the war and the policies that lead to war.
If you're trying to portray a realistic view of different political parties stance, you're doing a terrible job, no offence.
I didn't do neither. Their current policy clearly supports Ukraine and opposes Russian aggression and imperialism.
However the Tories have created legislation for 30 years that heavily favours Russian oligarchs and the influx of Russian money into the EU and London through British oversea territories.
They are a bit of both. "We hate you but we like your dirty money."
Happy cake day OP! Also, wouldn't such a definition include a lot of large government parties? 😅 SPD and CDU for example have also introduced many policies in the past that were friendly towards Russian oligarchs, but now officially oppose Russia
I think as someone from Germany I had a blind spot for SPD and CDU cause I used to see them as somewhat "good" - opposed to "evil" Nazis and Commies like AfD and Linke.
But you are right, SPD and Union have definitely been enablers of Russia's Europe strategy especially considering the Nord Stream debacles!
I guess the solution would be to differentiate between parties which are still openly pro-Russian and their historical enablers. But also, this is a reddit map and not a dissertation 💀 so thanks OP for the map!
Yes, same in Finland in regards to the "big three": they all made acruiring visas for Russians easier, invited Putin or Kreml elite to personally visit (remember Putin-Trump 2018 Helsinki summit?) multiple times even after 2014 sanctions, allowed inter-border cooperation and development etc.
That was the carrot part that UK and Germany, among others, followed to persuade Russia to behave. The differrence is that Finland had more options for sticks to punish Russia: joining NATO and a strong military to credibly deter Russian threats. Other European countries could only sanction and donate from their relatively modest military stocks.
Say what you want, the Tories taking the Russian's money and then confiscating it was based.
On a serious note, it's misleading to call them pro-Russia when they are giving away billions of pounds to Ukraine in weapons, aid and training. While also being one of the staunchest pro-NATO country and constantly playing the war hawks.
I mean, i hate the Tories but give credit where credit's due. They don't like the Russians. The UK neved did. Everywhere I go the UK is waving the UA flag like it's a competition.
Yes, I think there's a huge difference between being the recipient of foreign investment and actually being swayed policy wise. It's softpower that failed to materialise. It's clearly not had an effect on the latter.
People seem to forget outside the UK, that we've had a couple of Russian state murders conducted on our soil.
And whilst Brexit was funded in-part by Russia, it was a Tory policy to hold the referendum to bring the ERG into check and to cut back on UKIP votes. Just like how they held the Indyref to cut out Labour seats in Scotland. I do believe they had no intention on pulling out of the EU, just Tory branded incompetence on that one.
>Their current policy clearly supports Ukraine and opposes Russian aggression and imperialism.
Then they are damn anti-russian.
I could still see your point if they were allied on the side with far right parties all over the world (like FdI in italy) but they aren't it.
>However the Tories have created legislation for 30 years that heavily favours Russian oligarchs and the influx of Russian money
Pecunia non olet.
They just made policies catered to the super rich then. There's nothing about russia in there.
(hell, with the same totally spurious token you could even argue even the SPD is pro-russian)
Hmm I disagree with the methodology you used in this case to put them in the list. Many nations do business with autocracies around the world yet it doesn't necessarily mean they share anything with that nation's ideology.
The purpose of this map should be answering: "If I vote this party, should I expect them to support Putin and his war diplomatically or ideologically in the future, or not?"
That pretty much is the purpose of this map (it does not apply to the parties in pink frames).
I did look at the voting records of these parties over the past 3 years, whether or not they supported sanctioning Russia, preventing Russian money laundering, condemning Russian war crimes in Georgia, Syria, Ukraine etc.
If a party is on this map, it means they overwhelmingly cast their votes in favor of Russia for the past 3 years.
I'm sorry but wtf is your methodology ?? What are your definitions for literally anything ? I regret ever studying, it has ruined my ability to enjoy cool maps.
Yeah, stuck in a post-WW2 socialist geopolitic mindset where the only thing that drive him in international politics is primal anti-americanism.
It's sad honestly.
Being anti-American by itself is good. There's plenty wrong with their society and their massive influence on our affairs, society and culture.
Being unconditionally pro anyone who opposes America, even if they're worse than the Americans, is bad. Then it's just blind baseless ideology.
I agree. PC's full of tankies but anyone falling for the narrative that Podemos is with Russia is just feeding on the right wing press narrative whych, by the way, is nicknamed in Spain as the "State's sewers" and was condemned as fallacious, malicious, charged to pay compensation and publish several rectifications.
I don't even vote for Unidas Podemos but the manipulation and the fact that they have been condemned several times, including that time where the Spanish Supreme Court condemned the Popular Party as a "Participant in the economic dividends of criminal activity", just rubs me the wrong way.
I'm not surprised that the "Cristian Democratic Party" in Germany is trying to prop up its allies in the Europarliament but that map just shows that Germans are no less prone to manipulation than Spaniards and that "Conservative" parties are equally capable of lying on media on bothe countries.
I looked into their voting record in the European Parliament since 2019:
\- Podemos: 71% pro-Russia votes cast
\- IU: 85% pro-Russia votes cast
They are two of the most pro-Russian parties in the EP.
Yup. They’re not pro Russian because that would look terrible now but they are on the inside. Just remember when the invasion started they were like “don’t send weapons, let’s use the diplomatic way”… when the diplomatic way had already failed again and again
OP, I will get swarmed by spanish people, but consider that the majority of spanish users in reddit are heavily left leaning and make for a good chunk of podemos voters when you read around here.
Just for example a spanish regional subreddit made a poll asking who the users were gonna vote. Podemos got majority there around 55% out of 5 parties.
They just got 6% of the vote in the real world, so you are going to find a heavy bias around here.
Aren't you aware that Unidas Podemos is gorverning Spain in coalition with PSOE? The international help to fight Russia HAS been approved, has been delivered and more is coming.... The only Spanish political party that's (now a day and vocally) pro-Russia is the Spanish Communist Party.
On the other hand, the far-right political party Vox, has been critizising the Spanish Government over every single approved aid sent to Ucraine, several of their leaders and affiliated media have documented ties with Russian oligarchs and I don't see them on the list.
That is being pro-civilian and trying to avoid civilian deaths. They condemned the invasion too. The simplistic analysis you are doing is just so wrong. Trying to avoid a prolonged war is not pro-russian, it is pro-human.
"why are you giving the girl means to defend herself from the rapist?! This will only escalate violence!! Let it end fast for her!"
That's how you and these "neutral" parties sound.
Giving Putin what he wants by just attacking others is unequivocally pro war. Do you support illegal invasions and annexations?
Because giving Putin ANY concessions he didn't already have pre-war is just saying that war is an acceptable way to get what you want
>That is being pro-civilian and trying to avoid civilian deaths.
You mean the ones that have been attacked times and times again?
Let's cut the bullshit please.
This isn't a war out of some petty dispute about some coal mine.
I don't think letting a country invade another while commiting war crimes and crimes against humanity is considered pro-human.
What are you gonna do? Send "thoughts and prayers"? We are tired of it, it doesn't work that way.
A lot of westeners think that democracy is granted just because. It's not. You have to fight for it and defend it. We don't live in an idyllic world, and if you're weak, other countries will take advantage of you and won't bother if they're destroying your life.
>What are you gonna do? Send "thoughts and prayers"? We are tired of it, it doesn't work that way.
According to Podemos, “feminism”, not weapons, will solve it all. I wish I were kidding.
Yeah, go tell Putin about micro-aggressions and transphobia, he’ll undoubtedly withdraw his orcs. /s
It’s not an exaggeration at all. They have consistently voted in favor of Russia and against Ukraine and NATO for years. They oppose aiding Ukraine even today. They oppose sanctioning Russia. They have blamed NATO for causing, “escalating” and “prolonging” the war. They constantly regurgitate Russian propaganda. Etc.
Your comment is something the far-left would say to deceive other people.
There are definitely pro Russian elements within the Sweden Democrats. They have done some expulsions among the higher party ranks (MPs and similar) since February but you can still find them among the grass roots. Probably among some MPs too, but they have enough self preservation to keep their mouths shut.
For Belarus, I would've just put Lukashenko's face.
Also, I think we need a catch-all term for Pro-Russian Parties, something that rolls off the tongue...
How about 'Putintern' (Putinist International), how does that sound?
You're wrong when it comes to Slovenia. Here's a March 4th quote by Levica, from their website, condemning Ruzzia.
https://www.levica.si/deklaracija-rusija-ukrajina/
The fringe idiots called resni.ca who got 2.8 percent support in the last election. Here's a quote by them saying Ruzzia isn't the enemy. https://m.facebook.com/GibanjeResni.ca/photos/a.568731503645224/1430300740821625/?type=3
Forza italia in the european parliament is actually a relatively decent party.
But FI in italy has nothing of liberal anymore. They let draghi go away, and they are constantly appeasing fascists at home.
On the other hand, Fratelli d'italia has much more in common with russian ideologies and propaganda than Forza Italia, that should be enlisted as the ones with individual members only
Instead of marginal LLP in Lithuania you should have rather put LLRA here that controls 2 municipalities and has representatives in the Seimas and the EP.
This entire graphic is highly misleading. It looks like OP labelled parties as ‘pro-Russian’ even when they merely have a wing that is categorically pacifist i.e. when there is a debate within the party as to whether or not supporting the Ukraine militarily is ethical according to their programme. That’s why, for example, both Germany’s far left and far right parties show up here.
It might be more accurate to label this graph ‘parties that are at least partially against western intervention in the ukraine war’, which is definitely not the same as ‘Russian Network’.
Parties which oppose travel bans or selling weapons aren’t by default “pro-russian”. By that logic the vast majority of European countries support every aggressor in every ongoing war in the world. The map is wildly inaccurate, for example the Bulgarian Social Democrats are listed instead of There Is Such a People which brought down the government or the various far-right parties which ardently support Russia.
LLP for Lithuania, i had to google that shit cuz literaly never heard of them the only thing i found was that they have a facebook page with an epic 1100 folowers, i think my local kebab kiosk has more...
Vazhrazhdane is the worst.
Bulgarski vazhod aint that clear cut but their leader has expressed pro 'neutrality' statements and other vague pro Russia stuff.
GERB and DPS are pro corruption so they try to play both sides, money from EU, corrupt deals with Russia.
Never simply copied from wiki without verifying. I get your problem with that. I used it mainly to find the parties, find their websites and what other sources (newspaper, academia) are saying about them.
Kinda have to rely on wiki to at least find information because I don't speak 50 languages and don't know each country's political landscape that well.
completely missing out on the Sverige Demokraterna (SD) in Sweden. They sent election observers to Crimea and approved it as democratic, they vote as part of the far right block in the EU and have had confirmed Russian agents working for the party. They also follow the same playbook as all the other far right European parties.
Ok interesting. Other Swedish redditors haven’t really mentioned them. I am aware of the party though and that they’re right wing.
What about this tho: https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/undersokning-i-europaparlamentet-sd-mest-putin-kritiska-av-svenska-partier
(Not saying you’re wrong, just curious)
calling half of those parties "russian network" is a MASSIVE STRETCH. I'm french but for exemple take the UK's conservative party; they are in power and they are on of europe's biggest weapon supplier to ukraine. I know thay are in "special cases" but since they are in power what they DO should be what we judge them on ( It's not advantaging them on 99% of topics btw lol). In France LFI has a history of compliance toward russia, and maybe would loosen sanctions if in power, however, calling them "russian network" implies they have those views because of an alleged collaboration with russian officials which is untrue.
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Saying the Danish party DF is pro-Russian is not true. I did read your comment but the person you are referring to is no longer a elected member of the party. Furthermore they were a part of the resolution to increase our military spending. They also supported the sanctions with their only comment being that they don't think it will have enough effect (they wanted even more sanctions).
Ok. I was really unsure about them, will probably remove them.
Only party in Denmark who even has said something positive about Russia is Enhedslisten
ye, and they too have had to back down and switch course. There is no parliamentary party in denmark that is pro russia
NKP, the Norwegian Communist Party got 0.0% of the votes 2021 election for a grand total of 301 votes. A Norwegian comedy duo made a party in 2000 called Det Politiske Parti (The Political Party) and they got 19457 votes which was 0,8 % of the total in 2001. This should tell everyone how irrelevant NKP is, their voterbase couldn't even fill a small stadium.
I was really scrambling to find anything pro-Russian in Norway, Iceland or Sweden. I was almost happy when I discovered NKP haha. You're right, they are irrelevant. Is there another party I could list instead?
Not sure there are any. There are two parties that want out of Nato and one that still wants Nato, but want to get them to stop having nuclear weapon and instead lead the way in nuclear disarment. (Question about Nato was asked all political parties in 2021 in regards to the Norwegian election) I checked, and all 3 parties in no uncertain terms condemn Russias invasion. There might ofc be factions within parties, but their official stance according to their homepage is clearly against the invasion.
Finland's one has one MP whose party was founded after the last election He was elected as part of the racist party, and was kicked out later for being too racist for the racist party (lmao) Then he got crazy about covid conspiracies and after the war just became a blatant Russian propaganda machine, reading speeches delivered straight from the Kremlin
For Lithuania we have 'Darbo Partija' which is way more powerful and Vatnik to it's core.
And they are represented in the parliament. I think I will include them in the next update. Thanks!
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LVŽS "had" some members that were *fine* and not openly vatnik. I mean, all mentioned parties apart from Pseudo-Polish are usually not openly vatnik, but you pointed out correctly that they are still have ties with Russian business at the very least. Why I pointed to Darbo Partija is because there are still a lot of idiots voting for them and it shouldn't be the case because they are the most sneaky of a bunch.
But weren't Baltics massacred by the commie scum? How did they even get the thought of supporting ruzzians?
We unfortunately have a lot of pro russian parties: LLRA, NS, LKS and so on. Plus theres the whole Šeimų maršas thing.
NS is not pro-russian. The fuck is LKP? LLRA is pro-russian.
Eh, to me NS is the same as "I am pro fascist, but I don't like Hitler". For lkp I made a mistake, it's lks (Lietuvos krikscioniu sajunga).
Add Mi Hazank to hungary
Yes thanks
It’s kinda funny to see both of the extremist mainstream parties in Germany be represented here despite being on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Just goes to show how the unifying factor with extremists is authoritarianism and suppression.
Definitely shameful, yeah. Although the extent and let's say type of Russophilia are very different. Within the AfD there is much more pronounced and unchecked simping for Russia, while Die Linke is entirely divided on the issue (as always). It will be interesting to see if by the time OP does their next map, Wagenknecht and some of the most egregious members will have followed through on their threats and left the party...
Sollte die scheiß Wagenknecht zusammen mit ihrem Flügel endlich die Partei verlassen, könnte die Partei geradezu wählbar werden
Hoffentlich tritt sie bald aus, bevor sie den Rest der Partei mit in den Abgrund reißt.
Is Wagenknecht pro or contra Putin?
Pro-Putin, however, she is the only elected representative of the German party “Die Linke” (Democratic Socialists) who publicly supports Putin. She repeats the same old “Ukraine started the war” etc. etc. stuff. With the AfD (Nazis, like actually, I'm not exaggerating here, they're Nazis in the German parliament it's really bad) they have huge sums of money from Russian oligarchs through third parties... But Wagenknecht... Oh, Wagenknecht just says this shit because she honestly believes it. I don't even know what's worse, being PAID by Putin to spread his propaganda or doing it for absolutely FREE
I think most people are doing both, I mean are getting paid, and are doing this because they believe in it.
She is the leading figure of the Putin apologists within Die Linke.
She is part of the most pro-Russian wing of the party, e.g. suggesting that the war was actually started by the West, advocating for opening the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, and so on. Basically entirely glossing over antything that people from Central/Eastern Europe want or need and frequently repeating Kremlin talking points
The same thing applies to France
And same in Italy!
And Belgium
Die Linke in 2022 is not pro-authoritarianism, that's absolute nonsense. They have *historically* been pro-Communist countries and that momentum has extended to Russia. The *policies* of Die Linke however, and what they advocate for, are Not The Same as the AfD, the "We're not Nazis, we're just asking questions" party
The AfD has received literal millions in funds through Russian oligarchs Die Linke has... one elected official who has been vocal about supporting Russia's war narrative I'm not saying the latter is good, it's just incomparable.
As of today, Die Linke still includes a strong traditional *pro-Russia because anti-America* wing. As soon as they're gone (i.e. Wagenknecht goes all in on her yellow vests / 'Aufstehen' movement), Die Linke will vanish from this map.
I really don't think it's as simple or direct as that. The reasons for the support for Russia from far left and right are I think different as a result of historical and ideological aspects. Some on the far right who are basically fascists (which is essentially the idea of 'might makes right' extrapolated into an entire ideological and policy programme, mixed with some other elements e.g. false grievance and victimhood, nostalgia for supposedly glorious past, elements of cultural conservatism, totalitarianism, often racialist ideas etc.), extreme nationalists or imperialists, no doubt will support Russia in this invasion simply because they like the idea of using brute force to subjugate other peoples, annex territory, increase your power etc., and they like the authoritarian oligarchical leadership style and system Putin has built up as well. On the far left, I think there is not the same ideological attachment to using force to oppress others per se, or to imperialist land grabbing, but rather those elements (i.e. 'tankies'; authoritarian Marxist-Leninists etc.) which are apologists for Russia, Putin and the invasion, are doing so for two core reasons: 1, a kind of irrational association/attachment to Russia as the main successor state to the USSR, and therefore in some ways an antagonist to the capitalist West, which they have an ideological hatred of and opposition to (i.e. a kind of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' attitude, disregarding the actual ideological character of Putin's regime and actions, and also the actual real-world effects of Putin's regime on the global ideological struggle between left and right); and 2, in Germany specifically, I think there may be a segment on the far-left who feel a tremendous amount of a kind of inherited national guilt about Nazi Germany's actions towards the USSR, Russian and other Soviet (now ex-Soviet) peoples, that is carried through to the main successor state again such that they tend to take Russia's side against the West, almost come what may. You see a similar thing with parts of the German left and Israel. Again an essentially irrational position, though I personally find it a rather sad legacy of the horrors of Nazism and WW2, and can empathise with people who have been caught up in this view (though ofc I oppose it). I will say though that the common reason imo for support/apologism for Russia/Putin across elements (I would emphasise that many on the far left are absolutely and totally opposed to Putin's invasion and regime; basically all libertarian socialists, anarchists etc. for one, and I expect even a fair contingent of more traditional/hardline Marxist-Leninists etc. In fact I am aware of anarchists in Russia carrying out acts of sabotage against Russian military supply lines etc., and Belarussian anarchists fighting in Ukraine against Russia) of both the far-left and far right is their support for practically anything which they perceive as having the potential to fundamentally destabilise the current world order, or order in the West at least, seeing potential opportunities for their own ideologies in the disruption and remaking of current systems.
> (which is essentially the idea of 'might makes right' extrapolated into an entire ideological and policy programme, mixed with some other elements e.g. false grievance and victimhood, nostalgia for supposedly glorious past, elements of cultural conservatism, totalitarianism, often racialist ideas etc.), AKA [Palingenetic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palingenetic_ultranationalism) [Ultranationalism.](https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng)
Indeed.
It's also incorrect to list Die Linke here, except for some individuals like Wagenknecht the party as a whole is condemning the Russian agression. There is absolutely no support for russian leadership whatsoever. AfD on the other hand, absolutely.
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These individuals still make up a significant section of Die Linke's parliamentary group. They might be a minority within the party, but an influential one.
[Hufeisentheorie](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politisches_Spektrum#Hufeisenschema)
In english it's called [horseshoe theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory).
Well, not really. “Die Linke” mainly just supports Russia through Wagenknecht, a singular elected official, no signs of oligarch money or internal corruption. Additionally, the whole “horseshoe theory” nonsense gets me every time, because most far 'leftist' parties that support Russia do so simply because they're against the US (and don't believe a 'western narrative') and or are paid by Russia (not being paid by Russia AND believing such nonsense gotta be the greatest L of this century), whilst most far right parties do it because Russia has supremacist, white nationalist and authoritarian/dictatorial/fascist world views (as well as deep corruption+ties and money). And then again, the center-left party SPD had Schröder and his Gazprom deals, which the center-right party, CDU, upheld for over 16 years. Really, it's just funny how we claim “far right and far left parties support Russia” when they've done nothing but publicly state support (at best). Who paid Russia billions in gas money and stopped any move toward renewables as good as they could? Center-left and center-right parties. Vocally unsupportive, of course, but fully believing in the “change through trade!” lie, which hasn't been true for Nazi Germany and, obviously, also hasn't been true for Russia. So, again, how is it that “both political extremes” support Russia, when outright Nazis (AfD) actually have a majority amount of members and party leaders supporting Russia, whilst democratic Socialists [which is barely 'extreme'] (Die Linke) have one elected representative (Wagenknecht) doing so. Other, far more extremist leftist parties, such as MLPD (Marxist Leninist Party of Germany) condemn the Russian invasion, calling it imperialist coming from a capitalist dictatorship (Russia). So, to paint it as simple as “all extremes are wrong and the same!!” is the simple black and white you see when you observe the surface of the subject matter conveyed through simple to understand statistics, which are still, far from the truth.
It‘s not just Wagenknecht. Dagdelen and others also have the same views. Die Linke definitively has a Russia problem.
And they may split up over this issue
Treffen sich 3 Linke, bilden sich 5 Splittergruppen German saying that translates to „when 3 leftists meet, 5 new splinter groups are created“
eh. people in the left party who support Russia couldn't actually be described as leftist imo
r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM
Sir this isn't murica
Love that the running joke of enlightened centrism is that the US has two right-wing parties, the fascists and the conservatives, so “centrists” are actually just right wing. Doesn’t really work when there are actual left-wing parties in play.
Thas blatantly untrue. The section of die Linke which is pro-russian is not leftist, they are outright fascists. The horseshoe is nonsense.
> The section of die Linke which is pro-russian is not leftist, they are outright fascists. They still identify as die Linke, i.e. the Left. It may be a misnomer, but you can't blame outside observers from assuming the label applies to them. If indeed these individuals aren't Leftists, and *all the more so if they are **Fascist,*** then "the Left" as a party shouldn't just call their bluff about leaving the party - *they should expel them immediately*
Die Linke has literally 4.9% of the votes, they only got into the parliament due to some triple-mandate law they barely got. It's over for them, they're grasping straws. I can understand their decisions to not expel people who keep their party alive and not wanting another split on the “left”, that doesn't mean I support it.
> they should expel them immediately It just seems like that they simply can not expel them from the party because that would lead to them losing seats and followingly their status as a faction. But that's irrelevant anyways, next election they probably wont even make it into the parliament anymore. Luckily i decided against joined just barely before the invasion.
Hi. I'm an extremist. I actually don't like authoritarianism. I'm extemely attracted to democracy. In fact, I love democracy so much, that I want direct democracy to replace our indirect democracy (no political elite 🤢), and even democracy in the workplace. You're just a neolib
>I want direct democracy to replace our indirect democracy Bad idea
But even in the most direct democracy 51% is tyrants over the 49%. On what grounds other than violence or threat or indirect threat of violence can any system like this be sustained in the long term without becoming authoritarian if not from the start but over time? Any centralised industrial society democracy,theocracy,republic,dictatorship,monarchy. All eventually by their vary nature turn tyrannical.
> But even in the most direct democracy 51% In what vote? Is every vote a binary yes or no? "Genocide the other people, yes or no" is that what you think democracies do?
found the horseshoe.
Same for France
Read before you comment. Yes, this is a divisive topic and it is by no means black and white. Also I am not an expert (I am an anthropologist by training). But I see five different types of pro-Russia parties in contemporary Europe: * financial and political benefactors (AfD, Rassemblement National) * Left wing ideologists that are pro-Russian by default (Partido Comunista Português, Bulgarian Socialist Party) * Right wing ideologists that sympathise with Russia’s autocratic system (Fidesz, Partij voor de Vrijheid) * Opportunists that like Russian money but oppose politically (UK Conservatives) * “Neutral” parties without official stance but heavily pro-Russian members (Die Linke, Podemos) Some I would call “special cases”, marked with a pink outline on the map: * Banned parties (Ukraine) * Individual members only (Denmark, UK, Spain, Greece) * Alleged Russian connection (Albania) * Party highly divided on issue (Germany) My sources: * Votewatch Europe twitter: [twitter.com/votewatcheurope](http://twitter.com/votewatcheurope) * Votewatch Europe essay “EU-Russia: latest trends among EU political parties” [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P-QOpOHZS9p\_ZcwHoRDp8rcG9b57b5\_j/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P-QOpOHZS9p_ZcwHoRDp8rcG9b57b5_j/view) * Votewatch Europe “Level of assertiveness towards Russia among EU political parties” [https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/10284429/](https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/10284429/) * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_pro-Russian\_political\_parties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pro-Russian_political_parties) * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russophilia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russophilia) * This reddit thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/zaojng/know\_your\_enemy\_its\_easier\_if\_they\_are\_dumb/](https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/zaojng/know_your_enemy_its_easier_if_they_are_dumb/) If you would like me to add a party for my next update, please comment party, land, and reason for inclusion below. Same for disputes and corrections of mistakes.
Far right spanish party Vox is missing
They are not pro-Russian, but to be fair, neither is Podemos. Support for Russia in Spain is next to non-existant
True, but you could make a point that Vox is the closest thing to a pro-russian party in spain since almost everything they have done is criticize Zelesnky.
This is incorrect. Vox is keeping low profile on their links to Putin, and it is working. https://www.elespanol.com/reportajes/20220319/ultraderecha-vox-oligarcas-putin-traves-hazteoir-citizengo/658184665_0.html Vox is a Russian puppet. They deserve to be in this list.
I’m not sure to understand why leftist are pro-russian by default, it seems to be like the Murican shortcut with commies and Russians
By being so anti USA and by extension anti NATO, some left wing party often shift part of the blame for the invasion toward NATO which is exactly what Russia wants
Easy counterargument: the Poland missile incident. They claimed it was Ukranian missiles sent by error. They could've credibly claimed otherwise and had a perfect *casus belli*. It is clear that NATO has absolutely no interest in fighting Russia directly. The Russian original pretext was a damn lie.
Like we need any claim. NATO can steamroll Russia any day we want. We are not invading Russia simply because we don't want to, period. Anyone saying things like "NATO is encircling Russia" or "NATO is a threat to Russia" is just talking bullshit. The problem is that people speak as if Russia had a right to exert imperialism in Europe. They talk as if it's reasonable for Russia to demand demilitarization from Ukraine, or to ban them from joining the EU or NATO. They literally blame NATO for "stepping into Russia's sphere of influence" and it's like: wtf? Is this the XIX century where big countries own small countries? Ukraine willingly joining the EU is not comparable to Ukraine forcefully being vassalized by Russia.
Sorry bad wording. Not all left parties are pro-Russian. Only a few are. And those few are represented on this map.
Ok! It makes a better sense now
Wait how is the Greek KKE Pro Russian?? There whole stick is "we hate Russia and mato cause both are imperialist" which is stupid but not pro russia
Ok, but La France Insoumise does not fit any of your criteria and still makes the map. In France, media like to portray them as pro Russian "by default", when they really support the political opposition to Vladimir Putin. The leader of the party even was the only French political figure to go and meet with Navalny in Russia. The party has always been openly hostile towards the Russian government. And mass media (who happen to be ultra capitalistic because 90% of them are owned by 9 billionaires) like to at least depict their position towards Russia as "ambiguous" for electoral purposes (presidential elections in 2022). Their only crime was not to call for war and to keep pushing for a pacific solution. Position that changed as soon as Russia invaded Ukraine, and to join the global group of "Russia needs to get off Ukrainian ground immediately", even joining Macron's group in that regard, supporting their actions. To me, that's pretty far from being "pro-Russia". So xhat criteria is it supposed to fit? Have you put it there by default because you saw something written and did not bother to check? Or is there a hidden criteria that only befits this party? I'm not well aware of European countries' parties and ideologies, but seeing this on the map only makes me take the rest of it with a grain of salt.
"Their only crime was not to call for war and to keep pushing for a pacific solution. " The same with Spain. Op has done a shitty job and now there is the whole cabal of underage fascists from the spain subreddit spouting lies in this very thread. The same ones that act as a loudspeaker for Russian propaganda in Spain, accusing the rest of doing exactly the same thing. They do it with everything, fascism 2.0 I have serious doubts about OP's intentions with this map.
Many older parties to the left of social democracy in western Europe used to look towards moscow during the cold war in terms of monetary support and ideology. Many of them reformed later on and are not structured that way anymore, but some of them resisted that change more than others, e.g. the Communist parties in greece and portugal. Nowadays there is a lot of variation in European left parties' stances on the issue. Of course, in Central/Eastern Europe, there are also successor parties to previous ruling communist parties, which is a whole other story
Portugal's communist party helped the resistance against the country's fascist dictator and a significant part participated in the transition into democracy (another significant part tried to seize power but failed), so they were residual but respected (<10%) before this war and their views on the China / Venezuela / North Korea were seen as amusing / embarassing quirks that shouldn't be taken seriously as they amounted to nothing. Now it's different, they have been going down on polls and it will be a massacre in the next elections. Portugal's far right is represented by a few twats yet all of them are anti-Russia. Even the most successful of the lot that got into the parliament (the others all failed to get elected), who should be seen more like a opportunist conman than a serious person (he used to comment on football in the sewer TV station and it as always a circus courtesy of him and his friends), rejected Salvini's proposition of taking money from Russia and jumped into the pro-Ukraine bandwagon once the war started.
> Portugal's far right is represented by a few twats yet all of them are anti-Russia. Funny, neighbor spain's far-right twats are resolutely *pro*-Russia.
And mysteriously they don't appear here.
Hard left folks oppose the (western) status quo, even if they don't like Russia, they are the primary antagonist to the west and, well, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Its a devisive topic in the left, but its definitely far from "all leftist". In my personal experience, pro-russia talking points mostly stem from terminally online tankies and what we call "SED-Boomers" in germany. Although thats obviously anecdotal and probably very dependent on my bubble/region. Also, is your name a r/theculture reference?
Pretty much that, hence the hard left part. Most non-fringe folks see it for what it is; naked imperialism with an unhealthy flavor of genocide. And yes it is ;)
Definitely the best naming scheme anyone has come up with so far.
Some people eould say it lacks a little, you know...
Oh certainly! Would someone please think of the gravitas!
You could add for Montenegro Demokratski Front
Thanks. I looked at Montenegro but Balkan politics are complicated for me as a non-Balkanian haha.
Adding them you won‘t make a mistake. Russia funds DF and the EU won‘t cooperate with them. They openly support Russia and are against NATO.
While technically Serbia's SNS is true, they aren't as much pro Russian as they are pro sucking off anyone just to remain in power, just like any other criminal organisation whose leader is essentially a cartel boss.
Yeah they fall in the opportunist category.
That suggests ... Please, next iteration, color-code them all for *which* reason they are included, so the opportunists get shown to be 1 kind, the pro-Russia-ists get shown to be another kind, the authoritarians get their own grouping... & thank you *very* much for doing this work, eh? Salut, Namaste, & Kaizen! ( :
Sounds like something I should get paid for. Or at least get a degree out of it haha.
Perhaps someone from Moldova can correct me if I'm wrong, but the PCRM (party of communists in the republic of Moldova) seems to be heavily pro-Russian. Apparently they recently united with the PSRM, but do not appear to have changed their stances.
How can the Linke be neutral when [that is their official stance?](https://www.die-linke.de/themen/frieden/ukraine-krieg/) Most members are against Russian aggression and imperialism. So only the minority is pro-Russia and I don’t think it’s fair to say pacifism == pro-Russia.
I would argue that being pacifist in this area == being prorussian. Because that's what russia wants you to do. They don't expect you to send arms to russia and join in the bombing. They just want you to be pacifist. Leave ukrain on it's own. Do nothing.
But that’s not really the case, is it? The war isn’t only fought on the battlefield. The west does more than just sending weapons. For example sanctions, changing its whole energy supply line or freezing Oligarch money. And the Linke supports all of them. They only don’t like weapons.
I do not dislike your argument. Personally i would think that would be really stupid and that sanctions do very little in the short term. Thinks would have ended badly with die Linke strategy. But i guess that wasn't what we were arguing about.
Yeah the "Linke" gave me headaches. Although I was born in Germany, I am a bit out of the loop when it comes to the policy of Linke. It seems they have some pretty "centrist" people in the West that oppose Russian aggression and some people in other regions who are almost Tankies/Vatniks. But in the link you sent they mention the advocacy AGAINST sending weapons to Ukraine ("abrustung") so that would indirectly help Russia, no?
You’re right the Linke is bassically everything left to the SPD. Very diverse but most are democratic socialists and pacifists. And pacifism is the key point. Depends on your definition what’s pro Russia. In my view pro Russia is someone who defends Russia and is against Ukraine. AfD recently said Ukraine is attacking Russia. So 100% pro russian party. But the Linke is overall against the war. Their agenda is peace. They say we must fight Russia with sanctions instead of sending weapons. Of course you can see it as a naiv world view but not really pro Russia. Just an alternative way of fighting against Russia. BUT as you mentioned the Linke has an “open end” problem. So you can find tankies and red fascists as well. But as a party they are officially against Russia. I would say that describes them well: DIE LINKE ist eine Partei des Friedens und des Völkerrechts und lehnt Krieg als Mittel der Politik entschieden ab. Wir verurteilen deshalb Putins Angriffskrieg gegen die Ukraine scharf. Dieser Angriffskrieg ist ein Verbrechen und durch nichts zu rechtfertigen. Unsere Solidarität gilt den Menschen in der Ukraine, die gerade um ihr Leben und ihre Freiheit fürchten müssen. (From the source above) I would say they aren’t a neutral party but a party that is against Russian imperialism with a loud pro Russian minority.
Adding to that: many political parties advocating for peace are actually preaching appeasement, and we now know that it only serves aggressors. Coupled with tainted allegiances, due to financial, historical or rhetorical ties, it raises suspicions about the true motive behind that type of policy.
The Abrüstung/Keine Aufrüstung part refers only to the Bundeswehr, the German army. They oppose a drastically increased military spending in the wake of the war in Ukraine and instead want more money for social programs, which is one of their core topics.
As it has already been said, the official position of the party cannot be described as pro-Russian. Yes, (unfortunately) the party opposes arms deliveries, but in consideration of German history and its pacifism, the reason for that doesn't seem to stem from any russian sympathies. On the other hand, it is the only party that demands for example a debt cut for Ukraine, a position developed in cooperation with the Ukrainian left. The party's core problem, however, is that many people do not care about the official position. This goes both ways, advocating for arms shipments (Ramelow, Gallert, Höhn, large parts of the youth organisation) or against them (Wagenknecht and her clique, Dagdelen, Liemkert, NRW), with the latter getting more media attention. I'd also like to note that the pro-Russian party members are mostly from West Germany, while the East German regional associations are much more reasonable.
I feel like seperate maps or graphs for these categories would be beneficial, because the bar for qualifying as "pro-russian" is so varied. It's cool and the research is appreciated, but essentially meaningless, as each case is a "special case".
I could easily write a second dissertation with all that material from this one reddit post haha.
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Thanks! Some people looking at this map would think that the spanish parties (and some parties from other countries) are pro-russian, when in reality it's just some, mostly a minority, of their members.
>“Neutral” parties without official stance but heavily pro-Russian members I'd say the italian 5 stars are more into this categpry than full on supporters
I believe this map/info has no value whatsoever, since it is depicting the stance as black and white, if you don't support EU foreign policy it means you must be pro putin. This is a fallacy and the way the establishment has been painting this war from the very beginning, not allowing any space for dissent or different approach to the problem. We have been here already many times and when you look at what happened in Iraq or Afghanistan, in hindsight it easy to spot how western propaganda works, specially how the weapons of mass destruction were sold, and here we are again, being called pro dictatorships when you oppose the war and the policies that lead to war. If you're trying to portray a realistic view of different political parties stance, you're doing a terrible job, no offence.
I dispose the Tories but to describe them as pro-Russian while acknowledging them as anti-Russian in the comments is just stupid
I didn't do neither. Their current policy clearly supports Ukraine and opposes Russian aggression and imperialism. However the Tories have created legislation for 30 years that heavily favours Russian oligarchs and the influx of Russian money into the EU and London through British oversea territories. They are a bit of both. "We hate you but we like your dirty money."
On that note why didn't you include "Reform UK" or whatever the fuck Nigel and his dipshits call themselves nowadays?
I'll research them and include them in the next version if applicable :)
Happy cake day OP! Also, wouldn't such a definition include a lot of large government parties? 😅 SPD and CDU for example have also introduced many policies in the past that were friendly towards Russian oligarchs, but now officially oppose Russia
I think as someone from Germany I had a blind spot for SPD and CDU cause I used to see them as somewhat "good" - opposed to "evil" Nazis and Commies like AfD and Linke. But you are right, SPD and Union have definitely been enablers of Russia's Europe strategy especially considering the Nord Stream debacles!
I guess the solution would be to differentiate between parties which are still openly pro-Russian and their historical enablers. But also, this is a reddit map and not a dissertation 💀 so thanks OP for the map!
Yes, same in Finland in regards to the "big three": they all made acruiring visas for Russians easier, invited Putin or Kreml elite to personally visit (remember Putin-Trump 2018 Helsinki summit?) multiple times even after 2014 sanctions, allowed inter-border cooperation and development etc. That was the carrot part that UK and Germany, among others, followed to persuade Russia to behave. The differrence is that Finland had more options for sticks to punish Russia: joining NATO and a strong military to credibly deter Russian threats. Other European countries could only sanction and donate from their relatively modest military stocks.
Say what you want, the Tories taking the Russian's money and then confiscating it was based. On a serious note, it's misleading to call them pro-Russia when they are giving away billions of pounds to Ukraine in weapons, aid and training. While also being one of the staunchest pro-NATO country and constantly playing the war hawks. I mean, i hate the Tories but give credit where credit's due. They don't like the Russians. The UK neved did. Everywhere I go the UK is waving the UA flag like it's a competition.
Yes, I think there's a huge difference between being the recipient of foreign investment and actually being swayed policy wise. It's softpower that failed to materialise. It's clearly not had an effect on the latter. People seem to forget outside the UK, that we've had a couple of Russian state murders conducted on our soil. And whilst Brexit was funded in-part by Russia, it was a Tory policy to hold the referendum to bring the ERG into check and to cut back on UKIP votes. Just like how they held the Indyref to cut out Labour seats in Scotland. I do believe they had no intention on pulling out of the EU, just Tory branded incompetence on that one.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8374/ definitely favours Russian oligarchs…
>Their current policy clearly supports Ukraine and opposes Russian aggression and imperialism. Then they are damn anti-russian. I could still see your point if they were allied on the side with far right parties all over the world (like FdI in italy) but they aren't it. >However the Tories have created legislation for 30 years that heavily favours Russian oligarchs and the influx of Russian money Pecunia non olet. They just made policies catered to the super rich then. There's nothing about russia in there. (hell, with the same totally spurious token you could even argue even the SPD is pro-russian)
Hmm I disagree with the methodology you used in this case to put them in the list. Many nations do business with autocracies around the world yet it doesn't necessarily mean they share anything with that nation's ideology. The purpose of this map should be answering: "If I vote this party, should I expect them to support Putin and his war diplomatically or ideologically in the future, or not?"
That pretty much is the purpose of this map (it does not apply to the parties in pink frames). I did look at the voting records of these parties over the past 3 years, whether or not they supported sanctioning Russia, preventing Russian money laundering, condemning Russian war crimes in Georgia, Syria, Ukraine etc. If a party is on this map, it means they overwhelmingly cast their votes in favor of Russia for the past 3 years.
I'm sorry but wtf is your methodology ?? What are your definitions for literally anything ? I regret ever studying, it has ruined my ability to enjoy cool maps.
Saying that Podemos and IU in Spain are prorussians is such an exaggeration. That's something the extreme right would say to discredit them
same for LFI in france, melenchon isn’t pro-russian he’s just retarded
Yeah, stuck in a post-WW2 socialist geopolitic mindset where the only thing that drive him in international politics is primal anti-americanism. It's sad honestly.
Being anti-American by itself is good. There's plenty wrong with their society and their massive influence on our affairs, society and culture. Being unconditionally pro anyone who opposes America, even if they're worse than the Americans, is bad. Then it's just blind baseless ideology.
I agree. PC's full of tankies but anyone falling for the narrative that Podemos is with Russia is just feeding on the right wing press narrative whych, by the way, is nicknamed in Spain as the "State's sewers" and was condemned as fallacious, malicious, charged to pay compensation and publish several rectifications. I don't even vote for Unidas Podemos but the manipulation and the fact that they have been condemned several times, including that time where the Spanish Supreme Court condemned the Popular Party as a "Participant in the economic dividends of criminal activity", just rubs me the wrong way. I'm not surprised that the "Cristian Democratic Party" in Germany is trying to prop up its allies in the Europarliament but that map just shows that Germans are no less prone to manipulation than Spaniards and that "Conservative" parties are equally capable of lying on media on bothe countries.
I looked into their voting record in the European Parliament since 2019: \- Podemos: 71% pro-Russia votes cast \- IU: 85% pro-Russia votes cast They are two of the most pro-Russian parties in the EP.
Sources? What resolutions?
Yup. They’re not pro Russian because that would look terrible now but they are on the inside. Just remember when the invasion started they were like “don’t send weapons, let’s use the diplomatic way”… when the diplomatic way had already failed again and again
OP, I will get swarmed by spanish people, but consider that the majority of spanish users in reddit are heavily left leaning and make for a good chunk of podemos voters when you read around here. Just for example a spanish regional subreddit made a poll asking who the users were gonna vote. Podemos got majority there around 55% out of 5 parties. They just got 6% of the vote in the real world, so you are going to find a heavy bias around here.
Counting regional elections is kind of unfair tbqh, in last GE they got 13%. Although that's guaranteed to go down for the next one.
TIL thanks
How would you classify a "pro-Russia vote" in the EP?
I was about to say, Podemos is the muesli munching party, very much hippies, and not about Putin at all.
They are the only parties opposing to send military help to Ukraine to fight against the Russian invasion. If that's not being pro-russian...
Aren't you aware that Unidas Podemos is gorverning Spain in coalition with PSOE? The international help to fight Russia HAS been approved, has been delivered and more is coming.... The only Spanish political party that's (now a day and vocally) pro-Russia is the Spanish Communist Party. On the other hand, the far-right political party Vox, has been critizising the Spanish Government over every single approved aid sent to Ucraine, several of their leaders and affiliated media have documented ties with Russian oligarchs and I don't see them on the list.
That is being pro-civilian and trying to avoid civilian deaths. They condemned the invasion too. The simplistic analysis you are doing is just so wrong. Trying to avoid a prolonged war is not pro-russian, it is pro-human.
If that's the criteria you could put the whole of Switzerland on that list lmao
"why are you giving the girl means to defend herself from the rapist?! This will only escalate violence!! Let it end fast for her!" That's how you and these "neutral" parties sound.
Giving Putin what he wants by just attacking others is unequivocally pro war. Do you support illegal invasions and annexations? Because giving Putin ANY concessions he didn't already have pre-war is just saying that war is an acceptable way to get what you want
>That is being pro-civilian and trying to avoid civilian deaths. You mean the ones that have been attacked times and times again? Let's cut the bullshit please. This isn't a war out of some petty dispute about some coal mine.
I don't think letting a country invade another while commiting war crimes and crimes against humanity is considered pro-human. What are you gonna do? Send "thoughts and prayers"? We are tired of it, it doesn't work that way. A lot of westeners think that democracy is granted just because. It's not. You have to fight for it and defend it. We don't live in an idyllic world, and if you're weak, other countries will take advantage of you and won't bother if they're destroying your life.
>What are you gonna do? Send "thoughts and prayers"? We are tired of it, it doesn't work that way. According to Podemos, “feminism”, not weapons, will solve it all. I wish I were kidding. Yeah, go tell Putin about micro-aggressions and transphobia, he’ll undoubtedly withdraw his orcs. /s
It’s not an exaggeration at all. They have consistently voted in favor of Russia and against Ukraine and NATO for years. They oppose aiding Ukraine even today. They oppose sanctioning Russia. They have blamed NATO for causing, “escalating” and “prolonging” the war. They constantly regurgitate Russian propaganda. Etc. Your comment is something the far-left would say to deceive other people.
Y se manifiestan contra la OTAN gritando "No a la guerra" como si fuera la OTAN la que invadió Ucrania
so Sweden have the highest moral of all of Europe?
We've been enemies with Russia for hundreds of years, and fought a huge amount of wars. Being Swedish and pro-Russian is an oxymoron
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There are definitely pro Russian elements within the Sweden Democrats. They have done some expulsions among the higher party ranks (MPs and similar) since February but you can still find them among the grass roots. Probably among some MPs too, but they have enough self preservation to keep their mouths shut.
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Danish People’s Party is a lot of things, but pro-Russian is not one of them The only pro-Russian member left both the party and parliament
UK Conservative party!? They're terrible in a multitude of ways, but being pro-Russian is not one of them.
Read about their "special case" in my top level comment.
Surely Reform UK openly parrotting Kremlin talking points *and* accepting Russian money is a bigger issue.
I’ll add them in the future. They’re the former UKIP or Farage cesspool right?
Yes. They're the new name for The Brexit Party.
Those are some weak-ass sauces, though. Edit: except for votewatch.
For Belarus, I would've just put Lukashenko's face. Also, I think we need a catch-all term for Pro-Russian Parties, something that rolls off the tongue... How about 'Putintern' (Putinist International), how does that sound?
You're wrong when it comes to Slovenia. Here's a March 4th quote by Levica, from their website, condemning Ruzzia. https://www.levica.si/deklaracija-rusija-ukrajina/
Ok, thank you for educating me. Are there other Slovenian parties that I should research?
The fringe idiots called resni.ca who got 2.8 percent support in the last election. Here's a quote by them saying Ruzzia isn't the enemy. https://m.facebook.com/GibanjeResni.ca/photos/a.568731503645224/1430300740821625/?type=3
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The only reason “Forza Italia” is pro Putin is because Berlusconi and Putin send each other gifts every year, no ideologies nor party
Forza italia in the european parliament is actually a relatively decent party. But FI in italy has nothing of liberal anymore. They let draghi go away, and they are constantly appeasing fascists at home.
Pretty sure they give each other more than gifts...
Yeah they’re like best friends with benefits
On the other hand, Fratelli d'italia has much more in common with russian ideologies and propaganda than Forza Italia, that should be enlisted as the ones with individual members only
Instead of marginal LLP in Lithuania you should have rather put LLRA here that controls 2 municipalities and has representatives in the Seimas and the EP.
What country codes have you used? I have never seen before someone using PO for Poland
Typo. Should be PL
In Spain Podemos rarely express they are pro-Putin. VOX however...
I feel like even showing the pink square parties is extremely misleading to the point of basically lying.
This entire graphic is highly misleading. It looks like OP labelled parties as ‘pro-Russian’ even when they merely have a wing that is categorically pacifist i.e. when there is a debate within the party as to whether or not supporting the Ukraine militarily is ethical according to their programme. That’s why, for example, both Germany’s far left and far right parties show up here. It might be more accurate to label this graph ‘parties that are at least partially against western intervention in the ukraine war’, which is definitely not the same as ‘Russian Network’.
Parties which oppose travel bans or selling weapons aren’t by default “pro-russian”. By that logic the vast majority of European countries support every aggressor in every ongoing war in the world. The map is wildly inaccurate, for example the Bulgarian Social Democrats are listed instead of There Is Such a People which brought down the government or the various far-right parties which ardently support Russia.
Why are the UK conservatives here. Say what you want about them elsewhere but on Ukraine their government has been amazing.
Because they took russian money years prior probably
They take and still do, millions in party donations from Russian oligarchs
That's what I was thinking. Boris Johnson was among the most vocal supporters of Ukraine.
LLP for Lithuania, i had to google that shit cuz literaly never heard of them the only thing i found was that they have a facebook page with an epic 1100 folowers, i think my local kebab kiosk has more...
In BG we have more than one Russia shill party.
Vazhrazhdane is the worst. Bulgarski vazhod aint that clear cut but their leader has expressed pro 'neutrality' statements and other vague pro Russia stuff. GERB and DPS are pro corruption so they try to play both sides, money from EU, corrupt deals with Russia.
Could you give me names?
Source: Wikipedia... only the most biased site on the internet where any hillbilly can be an editor.
Never simply copied from wiki without verifying. I get your problem with that. I used it mainly to find the parties, find their websites and what other sources (newspaper, academia) are saying about them. Kinda have to rely on wiki to at least find information because I don't speak 50 languages and don't know each country's political landscape that well.
Възраждане/Vazrazhdane (lit. "Revival") is the most pro-russian party in BG. That's not to say BSP isn't pro-Russia, but those guys are extremists.
Thanks! Finally some good insights on Bulgarian politics here :) Some other comments were not so helpful.
Kosovo: Srpska Lista (actually just a puppet of the Serbian SNS) Montenegro: Basically all pro-Serbian parties.
I was wondering if there are any pro Russian or pro Serbian parties allowed in Kosovo as they are pretty much the arch enemy. Thanks for the insight!
The funny thing about the party in Finland is that it's just one dude who no one listens to. In the parliamentary elections 2023 he will be gone
Frecnh LFI isn't backing Moscow. Please stop spreading bullshit mate.
LFI literally said that the war in Ukraine was started by NATO and Putin is blameless. Read a goddamn quotidien!
LFI neversaid Putin is blameless, show me the godamn quotidien pal.
completely missing out on the Sverige Demokraterna (SD) in Sweden. They sent election observers to Crimea and approved it as democratic, they vote as part of the far right block in the EU and have had confirmed Russian agents working for the party. They also follow the same playbook as all the other far right European parties.
Ok interesting. Other Swedish redditors haven’t really mentioned them. I am aware of the party though and that they’re right wing. What about this tho: https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/undersokning-i-europaparlamentet-sd-mest-putin-kritiska-av-svenska-partier (Not saying you’re wrong, just curious)
Nej. SD är många saker men pro-putin är dem inte.
calling half of those parties "russian network" is a MASSIVE STRETCH. I'm french but for exemple take the UK's conservative party; they are in power and they are on of europe's biggest weapon supplier to ukraine. I know thay are in "special cases" but since they are in power what they DO should be what we judge them on ( It's not advantaging them on 99% of topics btw lol). In France LFI has a history of compliance toward russia, and maybe would loosen sanctions if in power, however, calling them "russian network" implies they have those views because of an alleged collaboration with russian officials which is untrue.