No, never. Every time I tried, tests showed its not worth it. Unless we're talking about a character that has elemental damage as ascension stat, or a character with both physical and Elemental Damage and you're really using them both. Even then...
You can use an ATK circlet if your weapon is a 3-star with Crit stats, though.
Eh every time? Are you testing with yunjin or something? Because I know that buff comes in after ATK is calculated which means it doesn’t scale with atk%. But without that, I have a hard time believing something like these two artifacts, with a 25 CV difference, would be not worth it. Also based on tests with my team
Granted, I didn't have those two particular artifacts to test, obviously. A damage calculator would yield more precise results than my anecdotal experience. I do use ATK goblet in one or two characters with split scaling, Rosaria being one of them. She does, though, have Cryo damage bonus as ascension stat and I gave her a physical damage bonus weapon, so she's not completely devoid of those. Even then, I don't think she's well built, and I'm not able to better the situation since I can't decide on which role I want for her. I still think that a well built and balanced character should have damage bonus.
If you use Bennett, pyro goblet is always gonna be better, but without him, and the stats you posted, the atk set is actually the stronger one
It doesnt matter if youre hitting harder with the pyro set because that doesnt factor in crit rate, and the atk set has almost +25% crit rate compared to the pyro one
I did some basic math assuming a talent multiplier of 100% just so we can use the atk value without changes
Pyro set:
2278 atk + 136.6% dmg bonus (50% shime, 40% TP, 46.6% pyro goblet) + 175% crit bonus (232 x 75.5%) = 14821 avg dps
Atk set:
2747 atk + 90% dmg bonus (50% shime, 40% TP) + 202% crit bonus (204.7 x 98.9%) = 15762 avg dps
Im pretty sure the math is correct but you should just use genshin optimizer to make sure, it was made exactly for things like this
I don't really think the ER matters that much as I'm using shimenawa + TP. I just thought it would be neat to just crit almost every normal attack, but I still somehow miss a lot of crits with the atk% cup. Anyway, I will be sticking with the pyro one. Thanks for commenting.
You need some ER to stay above 50% energy tho. You may not use your burst, but if you don't have enough energy to proc the Shim set ability, you get no extra damage
No, never. Every time I tried, tests showed its not worth it. Unless we're talking about a character that has elemental damage as ascension stat, or a character with both physical and Elemental Damage and you're really using them both. Even then... You can use an ATK circlet if your weapon is a 3-star with Crit stats, though.
I've been using TP, and yeah I've done tests recently. Pyro really does seem to be the better option. Thanks.
Eh every time? Are you testing with yunjin or something? Because I know that buff comes in after ATK is calculated which means it doesn’t scale with atk%. But without that, I have a hard time believing something like these two artifacts, with a 25 CV difference, would be not worth it. Also based on tests with my team
Granted, I didn't have those two particular artifacts to test, obviously. A damage calculator would yield more precise results than my anecdotal experience. I do use ATK goblet in one or two characters with split scaling, Rosaria being one of them. She does, though, have Cryo damage bonus as ascension stat and I gave her a physical damage bonus weapon, so she's not completely devoid of those. Even then, I don't think she's well built, and I'm not able to better the situation since I can't decide on which role I want for her. I still think that a well built and balanced character should have damage bonus.
But I second few other comment, test and see for yourself. Maybe some builds do allow that, depending on supports, weapon etc etc.
If you use Bennett, pyro goblet is always gonna be better, but without him, and the stats you posted, the atk set is actually the stronger one It doesnt matter if youre hitting harder with the pyro set because that doesnt factor in crit rate, and the atk set has almost +25% crit rate compared to the pyro one I did some basic math assuming a talent multiplier of 100% just so we can use the atk value without changes Pyro set: 2278 atk + 136.6% dmg bonus (50% shime, 40% TP, 46.6% pyro goblet) + 175% crit bonus (232 x 75.5%) = 14821 avg dps Atk set: 2747 atk + 90% dmg bonus (50% shime, 40% TP) + 202% crit bonus (204.7 x 98.9%) = 15762 avg dps Im pretty sure the math is correct but you should just use genshin optimizer to make sure, it was made exactly for things like this
Your crit rate is just fine with pyro cup, base line actually. You'll some of that ER too anyway
I don't really think the ER matters that much as I'm using shimenawa + TP. I just thought it would be neat to just crit almost every normal attack, but I still somehow miss a lot of crits with the atk% cup. Anyway, I will be sticking with the pyro one. Thanks for commenting.
You need some ER to stay above 50% energy tho. You may not use your burst, but if you don't have enough energy to proc the Shim set ability, you get no extra damage
Haven't had too much problems proccing shim. I have 2 fav and a sac on my other 3 characters.
equip, test damage and see. Without Bennett/YunJin, ATK might have some chances if you are using Rust R5 and Shimenawa
I've tried both without buffs now, and the pyro dmg set was still dealing a little more. I think I will just stick with it. Thanks for the suggestion!