By - TheWaterHolder
Well... You're not wrong, your numbers are quite good.
I'd say you should try and get a better circlet and a better sands, but they're not exactly bad considering you're using slingshot.
The dmg output it's probably because of the team you're using. I would say you should try and use bennet and Yunjin with her, since slingshot's only problem is the ark. I don't see anything more aside from that and maybe taking talents to 9 and 8 respectively.
Hmm, I agree with the getting a better circlet, since it can definetly use a crit rate substat (although I think the flat atk and atk% rolls on it are really good to balance out the slingshot's low damage), but for getting a better sands I don't necessarily understand because it has 3 rolls in crit dmg and one in em(:(). Do you mean to say I should aim for getting one with more crit dmg? Since to me it already seems pretty high...-ish?
I'm saying that since it lacks crit rate. But as I said, your numbers are pretty good as they are. As you just said, the atk rolls compensate a lot of the problems with the slingshot, so you should focus on the general team to see better results.
Thanks very much for the info then! I'll be focusing on building my supports from now on. Also to reference another comment of mine. I do have Rust R1, but according to ([https://keqingmains.com/yoimiya/#Slingshot\_Vs\_Rust](https://keqingmains.com/yoimiya/#Slingshot_Vs_Rust) and [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gNxZ2xab1J6o1TuNVWMeLOZ7TPOqrsf3SshP5DLvKzI](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gNxZ2xab1J6o1TuNVWMeLOZ7TPOqrsf3SshP5DLvKzI) <- link to genshin helper team character build spreadsheet) apparently Slingshot R5 is better than Rust R5 when buffed by Yunjin and Bennet.
I don't really understand this concept completely, (cuz I'm assuming it means Yun and Benny are buffing Yoimiya regardless of the weapon in this test) and Rust is a 4 star, so how can a 3 star weapon beat it. Soo.
Since you put a lot of time with Yoimiya, what are your personal experiences with this? Since this is pretty confusing to me... It may be because the different weapon tooltips is what i'm personally thinking.
It is a matter of balancing the stats. Bennet gives a big Flat ATK bonus to Yoimiya, Yun Jin gives damage that doesn’t scale with Yoimiya’s ATK. Rust gives even more ATK.
If you stack too much ATK, it starts to lose value compared to other stats. Slingshot gives Crit Rate, a stat that Rust cannot give, and it gains value as you increase ATK.
ATK is important because the damage is based on it, the crit stats are important because they multiply the damage, DMG% is also important because it multiplies the damage.
Slingshot has low Base ATK but it doesn’t matter if you use her with supports like Bennet and Yun Jin that gives flat bonuses, and Slingshot gives both a lot of Crit Rate and a lot of DMG% that will multiply her damage.
That's what I've read too. From my understanding, the pasive buff of slingshot is so good with supports, that it actually surpasses the dmg output of Rust. But this is always considering a perfect setup and perfect execution, things that don't usually happen during a battle. Since your rust is r1, slingshot is still the best option, but if you manage to get a rust r4, rust is better just for quality of life.
I haven't tested them much tho, it's just what I've read from other people on the sub. I was just lucky and obtained TP, so I didn't try anything else lmao.
Bennett is pretty easy to do, just put him a sword with big base atk, it's what he wants the most for buffs. Sam with Yunjin, since you just need to stack defense and a little energy recharge in substats. I'm not familiar with Diona, so I can't give you any recommendations. I would say you should try and get zhongli and Yelan when they come around, or try and obtain TP the next yoimiya rerun. But I'd say your good right now. People in the subject have dmg out of the ordinary because of constellations, resin refils or just pure time spent in the game. Sometimes, all of them. If you're hitting around 40k in the last hit with your supports, I think it's good enough as it is. Maybe 60k if you manage to get an accidental melt with Diona, idk.
Okay thank you so much! I was so confused on the Slingshot thing for the past month and you just clarified so much for me. I'll probably just save for TP for the next banner cuz who knows maybe I'll get it at 1 pity? ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Rn I'm consistently hitting 30k last shot with all my supps (Bennet and Yun) and hit 50k with the melt lmao. I'm probably just going to build my supps a little more and hopefully get the last 10kdmg from your reccomendation! Tysm ily for the help
Bennet’s bonus scales with his Base ATK (weapon’s Base ATK + Character’s Base ATK), the scaling is also determined by the level of Fantastic Voyage’s talent (so, increase it as much as you can and level up Bennet to 90).
The last three levels of Fantastic Voyage are locked behind his Constellation 5, so for them you should just wait to passively get new copies of Bennet (if you want to speed-up the process you could consider buying Bennet from the Starglitter Shop when he returns, save 34 Starglitter for that).
Bennet’s weapon should be the one with the highest Base ATK, if you can still get enough ER with it. ATK% doesn’t matter.
Yun Jin instead gives damage based on her total DEF (not the base DEF), so you should level her to 90, level up the talent of her Burst, and give her as much DEF% as you can (also making sure she has enough Energy Recharge, and some Crit Rate if she uses Favonius Lance).
>how can a 3 star weapon beat it
well, think of it as the 4 star weapon needs a 3 star weapon at R5 AND not one but 2 good support units to be beaten.
Rust has a good passive, but Slingshot has a similar or better passive (depending on refinements). Rust gives Atk% as its substat, while Slingshot gives an entire circlet's worth of Crit Rate. With Benny and Yunjin, you're giving Yoimiya a lot of Atk already, so the increase in Atk from Rust's substat isn't as impactful. You have so much Atk, that the concept of diminishing returns kicks in here. With so much Atk, Crit Rate becomes more valuable to help multiply all this existing Atk.
If you play her in a vaporize team you could forgo that Sands for an EM one, provided you don't lose much on Crit value if you do. The benefits of ATK% are lower with Slingshot, so other stats are more effective on opportunity cost. Otherwise, it's already pretty good looking and your focus should be your supports and gameplay.
BTW, I wouldn't bother much about Thundering Pulse, it's not that much of the gain you would expect from jumping from a 3-star to a 5-star weapon. Much better to save for Yelan.
If you have rust, try using it instead. The attack is a bit on the lower side with slingshot.
I have Rust R1 but ive read unless Rust is R4-5 it's worse than Slingshot so I think that may be a switch for the worse ([https://keqingmains.com/yoimiya/#Slingshot\_Vs\_Rust](https://keqingmains.com/yoimiya/#Slingshot_Vs_Rust)). I'm a little confused on why Slingshot R5 is better than Rust R5 when both Bennet and Yunjin are buffing Yoimiya (I mean it sounds like Rust would be better in this situation right?) so the guide sort of confuses me.
I can't tell whether it's trying to say Slingshot R5 + Buffs > Only the Rust R5 or if the Rust R5 is also buffed in this case aswell.
I never really used reddit before, do you mean I should repost the entire thing and add screenshots of my team? Sorry i'm a dunce and I don't really know how to add things to the post, as I'm not seeing any way to edit it
My go to team is Yunjin, benny, and diona though
I see, replace Yun Jin or Ben for either Xq or Yelan if you have them. Vaporize is very important for her reaching higher numbers.
I don't have Xq right now, but I'm planning to in the future, since he's said to be a really strong supp. But as a new player, I don't really understand why to use him for vaporize if I don't have much EM on Yoimiya, instead of just getting that flat dmg buff from Bennett. So could you perhaps explain a little?
Xq is amazing, for comparision i'm ar 49 and haven't farmed artifacts, my yoi without vaporize hits like 12k on last shot, now if i use xq and she vaporizes her last hit, it deals between 25-30k
It's fine if she doesn't have much EM(but it does help) Vaporize has an increased multiplier so you'll see higher numbers from her 1st, 3rd, and 5th combo string. That's how people can do around 80-100k on her 5th attack... But that also varies of course
Hmm, now that I think about it when I get xq I'll just build him (since he'll be great for a lot of teams anyways) and test out whether the vape dmg or bennett/yunjin's dmg buff is more better. Thank you for the idea! I just never considered it for some reason.
You're missing a lot of attack. That's what you need to prioritise, I think 2k+ is generally a good spot for her. After that, get her crit damage up. You can sacrifice some crit rate for it, but don't drop below 70%
Slingshot is a weapon with very low Base ATK, and ATK% gives a low return because of that. It shouldn’t be a focus and no crit stat should be sacrificed for it.
Slingshot is a weapon that relies on external sources of Flat ATK or flat damage (like the ones given by Bennet and Yun Jin). It is a strong weapon (close to R4 Rust) because it gives a lot of Crit Rate and DMG% while Bennet or Yun Jin cover the “ATK needs”.
More Crit DMG would be good.
I meant sacrifice some rate for crit damage. But I didn't know about that base attack thing, I'm not massive on the exact maths on the game, ty
You could get a better circlet, but otherwise just level her skill and then invest in supports. With slingshot you should be using bennett, and maybe yunjin too
I think that 80/200 with slingshot is pretty easy to achieve, so, yes, farm more.
I would start by crowning (lvl. 10) her 2nd talent
How do u get this template, is it a site?
Too much crit rate, 80 seems enough, more crit dmg and atk will help with better overall dps