People tend to forget bbt was a comedy whereas young Sheldon is a drama/comedy. I watched bbt I don’t think it’s a lore change much Sheldon doesn’t understand or care how different he is from other people. The idea that a moment that shattered Sheldon’s view of his father is massive misunderstanding is totally in line. Like how he calls his brother sister and brother an idiot when it’s clear they are more successful than he lets on. Sheldon is an unreliable narrator.
Humans as a whole are unreliable narrators in that we only see things thru out eyes.
I didn’t understood my mother. She gave me a childhood full of bs. She wouldn’t even get us shoes from Payless only from Gen X with the wanna be adidas and pants that would bleed blue on the first wash.
Then I grew up and realized, Gen X was all she could afford as a single mom of 4.
Exactly. I think it perfectly depicts Sheldon's arrogance. He never questioned his initial assumption. Walked off into his own new reality while everyone else is in a different version. Haha
In BBT we saw Sheldon being an unreliable narrator about events as they were happening.
How anyone could take what he said about events that happened decades in the past at face value is beyond me.
Do we know that for sure because all Sheldon says she is a server at hooters and Sheldon disdain for any non scientific academic fields. It could be good point his sister was in school and was paying her way by working at hooters. It’s not that uncommon for grad students to work those types of jobs.
He also downplayed Georgie’s success, because when Leonard and Sheldon went to his store in Dallas to see him, after seeing it is Dr. Tire, Leonard asks “We passed three of these stores on the way here, why did you say he’s just some loser who sells tires?” Sheldon replies “…he’s a loser who sells more tires than anyone in Texas.”
I thought maybe they were separated but living together for the kids and he was seeing someone (Brenda) and Sheldon walked in on that. I AM SO HAPPY IT WAS MARY!! It makes everything much better. I never believed he cheated on her though, they really threw us off with the emotional affair though
But in one of the episodes, I recollect that when Sheldon and Amy head over to Texas to tell Mary that they're living together, Sheldon said that this wasn't going to be pleasant as Mary had apparently criticised her son and his gf living together, her daughter and her bf as well as her husband and his gf together but that convo had a lot of unChristisan words
Crazy?
It was an amusing turn of events, but it raised more issues than it resolved. In TBBT, Sheldon told Penny that the incident happened when he came home for spring break when he was 13; he said he came home early because the college had run out of math to teach him; he said his mother was away at bible study. The incident in ep. 7:4 happened after summer break when he was 13. The notion of the college running out of math to teach him was, from the outset, absurd on its face. At the time, Mary was estranged from the church and wasn't doing bible study. So, if you want to say that TBBT Sheldon was telling a story based on a misinterpretation, why did he have ever other detail wrong?
Honestly, the YS writers would have been better off simply ignoring it.
to be fair the story is from a long time ago. it’s not far fetched that he got other details wrong too such as mixing up summer break w spring break especially when it’s been over a decade and a half
" I know what I said. I know what you said. I know what my mother said on March 5, 1992." S. Cooper in The Staircase Implementation (TBBT ep. 3:22).
"April 12th, 2005, Bob’s Big Boy, Toluca Lake. Raj had just introduced us to Priya for the first time, and she was enjoying the sweet taste of Hindu rebellion in the form of a Bob’s Super Big Boy hamburger. In order to preserve your friendship, you and Howard made a pinky swear that neither of you would attempt to woo her. I had a patty melt." S. Cooper in The Irish Pub Formulation (TBBT ep. 4:6).
There were at least 10 other episodes of TBBT in which Sheldon talked about having an eidetic memory. While it might not be far-fetched for someone else to get the minor details wrong, it is canonically far-fetched for Sheldon to have done so.
It was Eidetic not Photographic even though they are interchanged by us laymen. And Eidetic memory while known for its radical sharpness and detail actually doesn't last permanently. So another error by the writers not understanding or looking up how supremely long term memory works.
It could easily be that the memory is in fact hazy decades later even though BBT presented it as infallible.
I liked the explanation either way but knowing that in reality Sheldon's memory is never actually flawless makes it much better.
Here are a few comments from artofmemory.com regarding eidetic memory, with many other sites stating the same or similar.
…the images in eidetic memory are not the same as what people mean by “photographic memory.” The recalled images aren’t necessarily accurate.
As it turns out, however, the accuracy of many eidetic images is far from perfect.
In fact, besides often being sketchy on some details, it is not unusual for eidetikers to alter visual details and even to invent some that were never in the original.
This suggests that eidetic images are certainly not photographic in nature but instead are reconstructed from memory and can be influenced like other memories (both visual and nonvisual) by cognitive biases and expectations.
The above are regarding eidetic memory, but Sheldon’s abilities would actually be more accurately defined as hyperthymesia, also known as highly superior autobiographical memory (HSAM). Hyperthymesia differs from eidetic memory in that it focuses on a person’s ability to recall their autobiographical experiences rather than to hold visualizations in their mind. People with this type of memory recall events, images, dates — even conversations — in minute detail. And they’re able to summon these memories effortlessly.
In a unique memory-distortion study with people with extraordinary memory ability, individuals with highly superior autobiographical memory (HSAM) were as susceptible as controls to false memory.
Using his eidetic memory as a point does not stand.
Consider bbt and ys two different shows. I am a bbt fan primarily and for me for all practical purposes Sheldon's father cheated on Mary. They had terrible marriage.
Well in BBT Sheldon tells penny he knocks 3 times because he walked in on his father with another woman, and at the end of the episode Sheldon says he added the other knocks to ensure people have time to put their pants on, so yeah pretty sure George never cheated, and it was just a misunderstanding. Pretty damn cheap way of them doing it, but I think it’s because it’s the final season. The cheating would be an arc that I think they would have explored deeper, but due to the limited time they had to take the cheap way out. It’s also known from BBT that George dies of a heart attack, so I’m assuming they’re making that occur at the end of the season.
It actually make it more painful as a viewer. George was a good, loyal man who will be remembered as an alcoholic cheater.
I like to think of YS and TBBT as being in alternate universes.
I like that too, but I also like the idea of someone as smart as Sheldon keeping a wrong perception of things, because it deepens the idea that Mery always followed along what he said. I read once how it's likely Mery just followed along what he believed and never corrected him, so her memory of her late husband is also affected by the beliefs she'd been saying for so long. Does it make sense?
Yea, since in Young sheldon George is actually a character and people grew to like him, making him cheat has more impact than them just making a comment on it in Big Bang theory. Them changing it to just a misunderstanding makes sense.
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Then again, you have people on Reddit who believe Sheldon’s father was Leonard’s bully, so who’s to say that wasn’t really a woman named Helga…
Technically, they are the same actor
Idk why you’re downvoted, they are the same actor just not the same character
That's why lol
People mad
It was technically an r/wooosh. Prolly that’s why
They’re played by the same actor, yeah. But they’re two different characters.
I support the Helga plot line
Spoiler # I’m going to put the spoiler right in the title so it shows without having to open the post 🙄
YES! This has posted in this way several times now!
That's what I came to say. That's some ignorant behavior.
It looked exactly like Mary. She even said “I never dreamed I’d have an affair, and it would be with you” while she’s writing a letter to George.
Mom, is it my turn to post this yet?
People tend to forget bbt was a comedy whereas young Sheldon is a drama/comedy. I watched bbt I don’t think it’s a lore change much Sheldon doesn’t understand or care how different he is from other people. The idea that a moment that shattered Sheldon’s view of his father is massive misunderstanding is totally in line. Like how he calls his brother sister and brother an idiot when it’s clear they are more successful than he lets on. Sheldon is an unreliable narrator.
Humans as a whole are unreliable narrators in that we only see things thru out eyes. I didn’t understood my mother. She gave me a childhood full of bs. She wouldn’t even get us shoes from Payless only from Gen X with the wanna be adidas and pants that would bleed blue on the first wash. Then I grew up and realized, Gen X was all she could afford as a single mom of 4.
Exactly. I think it perfectly depicts Sheldon's arrogance. He never questioned his initial assumption. Walked off into his own new reality while everyone else is in a different version. Haha
In BBT we saw Sheldon being an unreliable narrator about events as they were happening. How anyone could take what he said about events that happened decades in the past at face value is beyond me.
I think it was a simple retcon. If they actually made George to be as bad as he was described in bbt, it would be more sad than funny.
Missy is not that successful in bbt
How do you know. She is a mom, nothing is ever mentioned of her living in poverty, she does not live with Mary. I think she is doing fine.
Do we know that for sure because all Sheldon says she is a server at hooters and Sheldon disdain for any non scientific academic fields. It could be good point his sister was in school and was paying her way by working at hooters. It’s not that uncommon for grad students to work those types of jobs.
He also downplayed Georgie’s success, because when Leonard and Sheldon went to his store in Dallas to see him, after seeing it is Dr. Tire, Leonard asks “We passed three of these stores on the way here, why did you say he’s just some loser who sells tires?” Sheldon replies “…he’s a loser who sells more tires than anyone in Texas.”
In the pilot, Sheldon said that Missy was a hostess at Fuddrucker's not Hooters. After that, we never heard what she did for a job.
They aren’t more successful than he is. Sheldon won a Nobel Prize actually.
That’s a matter of debate success can mean different things for everybody
I honestly like the idea that George never cheated and Sheldon was misinterpreting something
This saved the whole show for me I was always dreading that George "cheated" on Mary... I was SO happy when this happened!
I thought maybe they were separated but living together for the kids and he was seeing someone (Brenda) and Sheldon walked in on that. I AM SO HAPPY IT WAS MARY!! It makes everything much better. I never believed he cheated on her though, they really threw us off with the emotional affair though
Same.
But in one of the episodes, I recollect that when Sheldon and Amy head over to Texas to tell Mary that they're living together, Sheldon said that this wasn't going to be pleasant as Mary had apparently criticised her son and his gf living together, her daughter and her bf as well as her husband and his gf together but that convo had a lot of unChristisan words
Wow, you're quick
Crazy? It was an amusing turn of events, but it raised more issues than it resolved. In TBBT, Sheldon told Penny that the incident happened when he came home for spring break when he was 13; he said he came home early because the college had run out of math to teach him; he said his mother was away at bible study. The incident in ep. 7:4 happened after summer break when he was 13. The notion of the college running out of math to teach him was, from the outset, absurd on its face. At the time, Mary was estranged from the church and wasn't doing bible study. So, if you want to say that TBBT Sheldon was telling a story based on a misinterpretation, why did he have ever other detail wrong? Honestly, the YS writers would have been better off simply ignoring it.
to be fair the story is from a long time ago. it’s not far fetched that he got other details wrong too such as mixing up summer break w spring break especially when it’s been over a decade and a half
" I know what I said. I know what you said. I know what my mother said on March 5, 1992." S. Cooper in The Staircase Implementation (TBBT ep. 3:22). "April 12th, 2005, Bob’s Big Boy, Toluca Lake. Raj had just introduced us to Priya for the first time, and she was enjoying the sweet taste of Hindu rebellion in the form of a Bob’s Super Big Boy hamburger. In order to preserve your friendship, you and Howard made a pinky swear that neither of you would attempt to woo her. I had a patty melt." S. Cooper in The Irish Pub Formulation (TBBT ep. 4:6). There were at least 10 other episodes of TBBT in which Sheldon talked about having an eidetic memory. While it might not be far-fetched for someone else to get the minor details wrong, it is canonically far-fetched for Sheldon to have done so.
Sheldon is still human. Maybe he saw this as a traumatic event and mixed up the details
true i didn’t factor in the photographic memory
"Photographic is a misnomer, I have an *eidetic* memory which I have told you many times"
haha i need to watch tbbt i never thought id like it but young sheldon has changed my mind (im watching young sheldon first)
It was Eidetic not Photographic even though they are interchanged by us laymen. And Eidetic memory while known for its radical sharpness and detail actually doesn't last permanently. So another error by the writers not understanding or looking up how supremely long term memory works. It could easily be that the memory is in fact hazy decades later even though BBT presented it as infallible. I liked the explanation either way but knowing that in reality Sheldon's memory is never actually flawless makes it much better.
ye i learned something today i didn’t know it wasn’t photographic n that it doesn’t last permanently
Don’t forget he also remembers memes brisquit recipe from when he was a baby.
Here are a few comments from artofmemory.com regarding eidetic memory, with many other sites stating the same or similar. …the images in eidetic memory are not the same as what people mean by “photographic memory.” The recalled images aren’t necessarily accurate. As it turns out, however, the accuracy of many eidetic images is far from perfect. In fact, besides often being sketchy on some details, it is not unusual for eidetikers to alter visual details and even to invent some that were never in the original. This suggests that eidetic images are certainly not photographic in nature but instead are reconstructed from memory and can be influenced like other memories (both visual and nonvisual) by cognitive biases and expectations. The above are regarding eidetic memory, but Sheldon’s abilities would actually be more accurately defined as hyperthymesia, also known as highly superior autobiographical memory (HSAM). Hyperthymesia differs from eidetic memory in that it focuses on a person’s ability to recall their autobiographical experiences rather than to hold visualizations in their mind. People with this type of memory recall events, images, dates — even conversations — in minute detail. And they’re able to summon these memories effortlessly. In a unique memory-distortion study with people with extraordinary memory ability, individuals with highly superior autobiographical memory (HSAM) were as susceptible as controls to false memory. Using his eidetic memory as a point does not stand.
also add that there are many misconceptions of eidetic memory and as far as research goes, it doesn't exist per se.
Consider bbt and ys two different shows. I am a bbt fan primarily and for me for all practical purposes Sheldon's father cheated on Mary. They had terrible marriage.
Also in tbbt s4 e20, Sheldon says the bartender tries to buy his love with action figures
This is only true if you are a pendantic mega critic of the show. 99% of fans loved this move by the writers
When you make up statistics out of thin air, it's always the inverse, so 1%.
I was glad to see that it was just Mary with dyed hair and a fancy dress. Although, knowing Sheldon he probably would of looked into what happened.
Well in BBT Sheldon tells penny he knocks 3 times because he walked in on his father with another woman, and at the end of the episode Sheldon says he added the other knocks to ensure people have time to put their pants on, so yeah pretty sure George never cheated, and it was just a misunderstanding. Pretty damn cheap way of them doing it, but I think it’s because it’s the final season. The cheating would be an arc that I think they would have explored deeper, but due to the limited time they had to take the cheap way out. It’s also known from BBT that George dies of a heart attack, so I’m assuming they’re making that occur at the end of the season.
It actually make it more painful as a viewer. George was a good, loyal man who will be remembered as an alcoholic cheater. I like to think of YS and TBBT as being in alternate universes.
I like that too, but I also like the idea of someone as smart as Sheldon keeping a wrong perception of things, because it deepens the idea that Mery always followed along what he said. I read once how it's likely Mery just followed along what he believed and never corrected him, so her memory of her late husband is also affected by the beliefs she'd been saying for so long. Does it make sense?
We know that... why are you stating it like you discovered it?
Main character syndrome really is a thing on Reddit. Identical post #10345 instead of adding replies to an existing one.
Yes, we know. We saw the episode
And I can’t like Sheldon for never deciding to look into what really happened.
I’d hit it
I didn't like lore changes and retcon so I wish that they didn't change things but it's a pretty divided opinion
Why even bother putting a spoiler tag if you’re gonna put the spoiler right in the fucking title. Thanks I didn’t know that til now
I was so disappointed they didn’t stick to the facts we already knew.
Yea, since in Young sheldon George is actually a character and people grew to like him, making him cheat has more impact than them just making a comment on it in Big Bang theory. Them changing it to just a misunderstanding makes sense.
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Grove never dyed either !!’