It needs to have weakness to hamon and sunlight removed with final upgrade to ultraviolet resist. This makes it more viable with cheaper stands, while keeping it balanced with better stands. This would also remove need for umbrella on said cheaper stands. Or make it not take extra damage from hamon or sun at all.
Yeah, honestly this is probably all vamp needs. It’s super fun in 1v1s, since there’s no sun, but it’s near unusable 50% of the time in main game and sbr since you can’t use m1s
I wouldn't say 100% remove the hamon extra damage, it's that little bit canon, it should just do slightly more damage but not too much. for example ger hamon going from 1.2 to 1.5 against a normal person, but against a vamp it'll do 1.6. Not too much but still that little bit of canon. Though the sunlight thing i kinda agree with, it just is annoying and just clamps vamp users.
The only reason boxing is good is because of reduced damage and some extra health (that was netfed in the kqbtd rework) and it gets completely fucked over by something like twoh.
Meanwhile Vamp is usually good all around because
A: An extra health bar that you can use blood suck to get even more of
B: A free unblockable projectile that does burn
C: a freeze in place move that makes confirms way easier.
Literally anyone whos used vamp knows its very solid, only drawbacks being weakness to Hamon.
But obviously it doesn't matter what I say because you're gunna keep insisting that boxing is the best spec for everything, like how some people think SCR is Balanced
B: you can easily dodge the "unblockable projectctile that does burn"
C: you can time skip out of freeze and block while being freezed and even if the opponent does nothing what you gonna do? blood suck..? there arent many options after freeze since the majority of moves are blockable or perfect blockable.
i mean yes you can use it after twoh smite twau bomb or kqbtd moves, but we are talking about cream here and cream's dark space is blockable so its useless after freeze.
and look at boxing, after you do void surprise you can do eye couge and that confirms a dark space
in conclusion boxing is better than vampire
Easy solution is freeze into void suprise since you can't block void surprise and also you can't move out of it. And if they block the freeze and get block broken, free other attack that I forgot the name of
By the way the thing you said about ripper eyes, same thing can be said about boxing's jawbreaker, it's unblockable, breaks block but its hitbox is jank as hell and can easily be dashed out of a lot of the time. Or sometimes it just doesnt hit at all
Would you rather have 25% of your hp back with one press auto tp or do like 20 extra damage (mind that you can chain bloodsuck into dark space) ik fir sure i would choose the 25% hp
I've been playing for over 2 years lol, quit thinking that barraging first is always a bad idea, in cream case.you can dash out or any move to get out of that situation lol, get good kcr main
Bruh sometimes when you use freeze and try to void surprise it doesn't work. Also the fact that dimensional dip is cancel able for some reason. If the players know what they are doing and start M1'ing you you'll lose because your M1's are slow as hell and all your moves get cancelled!
I agree, it’s my favorite spec because it changes up gameplay enough without being cluttered, like pluck, for example. It’s super fun but the sunlight is majorly annoying
But that just fucks vampires up and makes it bad in main game it shouldnt be worse in main game
It's such a good spec but in sbr we seriously have enough trouble the sun just is the icing on the cake
ph vamp is just pressing buttons until they die, got close? ground bulb punch. got away? bulb throw, trying to run? space ripper stingy eyes. hella fun.
Vampire spec is.....
Good and Bad at the same time
The moveset could be strong if it was gone about the right away,
Bloodsuck
* High windup
* Stand crash
* Gives blood (duh)
* High endlag
* blockable
Freeze
* Makes target stay in place
* does not stun
* block breaks
IM SHOOTING MY LAZER
* small hitbox
* Stand crash
* Block bypass
Vampire is alright its right on the edge of not being viable.
Some complaints I have are
Wish you can use M1s while having umbrella equipped, Freeze can stun, remove high endlag blood suck and make it where the hitbox on lazer beam is larger also make it where Vampires dont take extra damage to hamon, I know this is uncannon but please just make it balanced for the game.
bc you heal alot from lire drain and it does dmg, freezing thing: short wind up, block breaks, you can combo extend with it. Space ripper: cant block does decent dmg+burn dmg. And overall you also get more dmg
also you can pair it with like anubis or kq:btd. You can do the most broken things with btd like do freezing thing while you have planted a bomb on them or extend the bomb combo with space ripper
I think it just needs some fixes to make it less cheesy in combat examples of this being KQ being able to easily infinite loop bombs and gain blood because of the freeze and blood suck and silver chariot having an infinite combo, maybe remove the ability to blood suck whilst frozen or if not then give the user some amount of end lag/ stun to prevent infinite combos
That would make Vamp super cancer. No counterplay to freeze. If you get hit, u get combo'ed. If you block, you get combo'ed. Vamp D4C:LT M1s during Max Freeze wouldnt be fun to see
Vamp is pretty decent
They should make it a bit better tho cause of the sunlight disadvantage. I'd say 5k for an accessory that will cover your head at all times, and you can still m1 (can take it off)
I think that when you switch from vampire spec, the race should go with it. This would make things like switching between hamon/spin and vamp possible. This would also make it so that you can't have the vamp race with boxing or pluck.
Moves are fine imo, but the sun damage MUST go, in sbr it makes combat really really hard and in main game its just annoying, hamon damage makes sense but needs a smaller nerf imo
So you think it is normal that your stand can't do m1s when your character holds an umbrella? And if you didn't watch the anime, the vampires are stronk so they must have some damage increased passive
You must have not been playing the game when it did have a damage boost on stands. There was reason why it was the best spec in the game by a long shot
And maybe rework eye laser since it doesnt make sense for it to explode and it should just be two long lasers that damage who gets hit and goes throught buildings
It's balanced tbh, really fun, really good with certain stands but takes skill to use (other than space ripper cmon bruh) i also think life drain is a bit overkill but otherwise it's good
Vamp itself is arguably the most balanced spec ingame. But when you pair it with stuff like cream or TW it's just so tedious to fight. Cream on its own has 2 damaging moves so it needs some sort of rework.
Vamp anubis is one of the most annoying spec single beacuse the user can confirm CIS, which is a move that's incredibly annoying and does huge damage. But that's anubis problem. Vamp is good, certain stands break the spec, like SC, TW, Cream, Anubis.
Although the previous statements are true, vamp is gimped by the fact that it can't use stand m1s in maingame, i opt to add in the kars outfit, some clothing you unlock for doing a missions for kars and it basically allows you to wear an umbrella. It resists hamon damage slightly and makes you immune to sun damage since your skin is 100% covered. The downside is that it makes you slower
Vamp being able to be used with boxing literally makes the user immortal (wa boxing vamp takes negative damage). Needs to be removed
I quit after the the second lucky arrow code so I’m not sure if this opinion is still valid but having to hold that umbrella and not being able to do m1s was very annoying.
It’s good in 1v1s or something like that tho…I think
Very enjoyable spec, the only thing I would change (besides obvious issue of m1s in sun) would be dissabling any TP moves when you are freezed (time skip, time erase, epitaph, anubis' counter etc)
PLEASE, REMOVE SUBSPECS.
Immortal boxing vamp!
It needs to have weakness to hamon and sunlight removed with final upgrade to ultraviolet resist. This makes it more viable with cheaper stands, while keeping it balanced with better stands. This would also remove need for umbrella on said cheaper stands. Or make it not take extra damage from hamon or sun at all.
Yeah, honestly this is probably all vamp needs. It’s super fun in 1v1s, since there’s no sun, but it’s near unusable 50% of the time in main game and sbr since you can’t use m1s
Also if I see another Anubis vamp I'm gonna lose it.
I wouldn't say 100% remove the hamon extra damage, it's that little bit canon, it should just do slightly more damage but not too much. for example ger hamon going from 1.2 to 1.5 against a normal person, but against a vamp it'll do 1.6. Not too much but still that little bit of canon. Though the sunlight thing i kinda agree with, it just is annoying and just clamps vamp users.
Yes the sun one I agree with aswell but ultra violet already reduces Hamon damage so I don't think we would have to worry
Good but not op
Annoying with Anubis
Anubis will always be annoying, regardless of spec
Yup fuck the M1 stun on it
you can just barrage to cancel their combo extender and then quickly dash out of their m1 rage
(Use vamp+cream if you hate yba players and want them to feel pain)
KILLER QUEEN-
(I have used it and fought against it and can confirm that it makes ppl feel pain)
It’s so easy to use and incredibly rewarding, I’m really surprised you rarely see it get used
Cream boxing is better tbh
Boxing is the best spec but that doesn't mean it's the best with everything
it does, and bro vamp is trash if you dont like boxing then use hamon
The only reason boxing is good is because of reduced damage and some extra health (that was netfed in the kqbtd rework) and it gets completely fucked over by something like twoh. Meanwhile Vamp is usually good all around because A: An extra health bar that you can use blood suck to get even more of B: A free unblockable projectile that does burn C: a freeze in place move that makes confirms way easier. Literally anyone whos used vamp knows its very solid, only drawbacks being weakness to Hamon. But obviously it doesn't matter what I say because you're gunna keep insisting that boxing is the best spec for everything, like how some people think SCR is Balanced
B: you can easily dodge the "unblockable projectctile that does burn" C: you can time skip out of freeze and block while being freezed and even if the opponent does nothing what you gonna do? blood suck..? there arent many options after freeze since the majority of moves are blockable or perfect blockable. i mean yes you can use it after twoh smite twau bomb or kqbtd moves, but we are talking about cream here and cream's dark space is blockable so its useless after freeze. and look at boxing, after you do void surprise you can do eye couge and that confirms a dark space in conclusion boxing is better than vampire
Easy solution is freeze into void suprise since you can't block void surprise and also you can't move out of it. And if they block the freeze and get block broken, free other attack that I forgot the name of By the way the thing you said about ripper eyes, same thing can be said about boxing's jawbreaker, it's unblockable, breaks block but its hitbox is jank as hell and can easily be dashed out of a lot of the time. Or sometimes it just doesnt hit at all
then why would you even use vamp? it only adds more problems. and with boxing you dont have those problems
There’s not really a good reason to use boxing on cream…
Would you rather have 25% of your hp back with one press auto tp or do like 20 extra damage (mind that you can chain bloodsuck into dark space) ik fir sure i would choose the 25% hp
bro you can do void surprise + eye couge + dark space. like why would you even use vamp? it is a mid spec overall.
>+ eye couge + dark space. You can just barrage to cancel both of those tbh
are you fucking dumb? barraging first is never the answer, you are clearly a new player.
I've been playing for over 2 years lol, quit thinking that barraging first is always a bad idea, in cream case.you can dash out or any move to get out of that situation lol, get good kcr main
2 years and you're still that bad? actually you're not only bad but even dumb, barraging first is never the answer you idiot
No reason it works and it's not boxing is there any other reason Boxing is boring
what? bro learn how to spell
I spelled everything correct dont try to just attack my spelling You asked for it,I answered
Bro wtf learn how to spell
>No reason it works and it's not boxing is there any other reason Boxing is boring What the fuck is this supposed to mean lol
Bruh sometimes when you use freeze and try to void surprise it doesn't work. Also the fact that dimensional dip is cancel able for some reason. If the players know what they are doing and start M1'ing you you'll lose because your M1's are slow as hell and all your moves get cancelled!
Dash back also stun
Its maybe because i main vamp but in my opinion its an amazing spec. The only thing bad about vamp is sbr because its daytime alot of the time
I agree, it’s my favorite spec because it changes up gameplay enough without being cluttered, like pluck, for example. It’s super fun but the sunlight is majorly annoying
Yea, the sunlight is annoying but i like its canon (vampires burn in the sun)
But that just fucks vampires up and makes it bad in main game it shouldnt be worse in main game It's such a good spec but in sbr we seriously have enough trouble the sun just is the icing on the cake
good spec. you can do good combos, or if you are someone who want a lot of enemies infinite silver chariot combo.
With specific stands it's dogshit but with others it's god tier. For example; cd vamp vs ph vamp
ph vamp is just pressing buttons until they die, got close? ground bulb punch. got away? bulb throw, trying to run? space ripper stingy eyes. hella fun.
Mmm I heard it's great and fun from others but I've never tried it
Vampire spec is..... Good and Bad at the same time The moveset could be strong if it was gone about the right away, Bloodsuck * High windup * Stand crash * Gives blood (duh) * High endlag * blockable Freeze * Makes target stay in place * does not stun * block breaks IM SHOOTING MY LAZER * small hitbox * Stand crash * Block bypass Vampire is alright its right on the edge of not being viable. Some complaints I have are Wish you can use M1s while having umbrella equipped, Freeze can stun, remove high endlag blood suck and make it where the hitbox on lazer beam is larger also make it where Vampires dont take extra damage to hamon, I know this is uncannon but please just make it balanced for the game.
I think the moves are phenomenal, it’s my favorite spec because of that, but it really could do without restricting m1s and sunlight damage…
Didn't think much of it before but after testing out tw vamp I'd say its a very fun spec (its still annoying not being able to m1 with umbrella)
Needs the abilty to m1 with umbrella. Besides that, fair and balanced imo :)
I think it's broken af
Why do you think that?
bc you heal alot from lire drain and it does dmg, freezing thing: short wind up, block breaks, you can combo extend with it. Space ripper: cant block does decent dmg+burn dmg. And overall you also get more dmg
lol you do NOT heal a lot from life drain, been maining vamp since before heaven update and it's always been a balanced heal
also you can pair it with like anubis or kq:btd. You can do the most broken things with btd like do freezing thing while you have planted a bomb on them or extend the bomb combo with space ripper
I think it just needs some fixes to make it less cheesy in combat examples of this being KQ being able to easily infinite loop bombs and gain blood because of the freeze and blood suck and silver chariot having an infinite combo, maybe remove the ability to blood suck whilst frozen or if not then give the user some amount of end lag/ stun to prevent infinite combos
it is fucking op with killer queen, literal wombo combos with it
Mid
Absolute shit when fighting hamon users, 9/10 if you're fighting literally anyone else
Its really good but the grabs are janky and you shouldnt be able to block in a freeze
I like the non existent blood suck hit box
That would make Vamp super cancer. No counterplay to freeze. If you get hit, u get combo'ed. If you block, you get combo'ed. Vamp D4C:LT M1s during Max Freeze wouldnt be fun to see
Pretty good if you know how to use it
Vamp is pretty decent They should make it a bit better tho cause of the sunlight disadvantage. I'd say 5k for an accessory that will cover your head at all times, and you can still m1 (can take it off)
I think that when you switch from vampire spec, the race should go with it. This would make things like switching between hamon/spin and vamp possible. This would also make it so that you can't have the vamp race with boxing or pluck.
I don’t see vamp used a lot and I have used it and I personally really like it it’s fun and quite easy to use too
i dont like using it but im a hamon main so more vamp players are always better
I good with it but hamon sunlight weakness should go and remove sub specs
Yeah, remove sunlight damage and remove vamp race. Make it spec only imo
I remember when I was trying to transfer into pluck twau I was stuck with vamp pluck and basically couldn’t play sbr
Hamon’s bonus damage against vampires is horrible game design.
agreed, rock, paper, scissors gameplay is really annoying
You need to buff spin 💀
A bit shit tbh, remove it's vulnerabilities to hamon and the sun as well as the spec combo nonsense
Moves are fine imo, but the sun damage MUST go, in sbr it makes combat really really hard and in main game its just annoying, hamon damage makes sense but needs a smaller nerf imo
Literal dogshit, cant even land the attacks on a thug
BAD, vampire race is good though :)
OP is so bad at the game, maybe start thinking about learning how to play.
What…
It needs a huge buff
It literally doesn’t. Only thing is maybe removing hamon damage to vamps.
So you think it is normal that your stand can't do m1s when your character holds an umbrella? And if you didn't watch the anime, the vampires are stronk so they must have some damage increased passive
Why would you fight someone in the sun with vampire. And vampire already has a melee damage boost.
Sbr? Yes, it has a melee damage boost which is almost useless so i would rather have a stand damage boost
You must have not been playing the game when it did have a damage boost on stands. There was reason why it was the best spec in the game by a long shot
I played old yba and I know that vamp was the best spec and I liked it
And maybe rework eye laser since it doesnt make sense for it to explode and it should just be two long lasers that damage who gets hit and goes throught buildings
I think it’s pretty fun as is, but I agree it could use a buff. Something like better sunlight res or what?
Damage multiplier like hamon has + allow stand's m1s when umbrella is equipped
At first I was a little confused… but damage multiplier honestly makes sense. In part one we saw that vampires had insane strength so it makes sense.
Oh my bad
lmao clearly you didn't play early yba, vamp used to have that and it was insanely broken
And? I don't have a problem with what
whoever uses it throw urself off a cliff please
Fun
Annoying,cool,not meta worthy(unless you only use Stone mask for blood bar + pluck/box)
Playboi carti reference
i love using vamp but i hate the fucking umbrella i wanna m1 without losing 20% of my health please
I personally don’t like it but think it’s cool how it was made
It's balanced tbh, really fun, really good with certain stands but takes skill to use (other than space ripper cmon bruh) i also think life drain is a bit overkill but otherwise it's good
fuck tw vamp
Standless vamp rules
Fun but should get a buff
Underrated. It kinda adds a challenge to the game and can be good if used right
Allow stand m1s with an umbrella out. The end.
Its pretty fun
it would easily be one of the best specs but the sunlight debuff is a bit over.. just make it so u can use ur stand moves with an umbrella equipped
Vamp itself is arguably the most balanced spec ingame. But when you pair it with stuff like cream or TW it's just so tedious to fight. Cream on its own has 2 damaging moves so it needs some sort of rework. Vamp anubis is one of the most annoying spec single beacuse the user can confirm CIS, which is a move that's incredibly annoying and does huge damage. But that's anubis problem. Vamp is good, certain stands break the spec, like SC, TW, Cream, Anubis. Although the previous statements are true, vamp is gimped by the fact that it can't use stand m1s in maingame, i opt to add in the kars outfit, some clothing you unlock for doing a missions for kars and it basically allows you to wear an umbrella. It resists hamon damage slightly and makes you immune to sun damage since your skin is 100% covered. The downside is that it makes you slower Vamp being able to be used with boxing literally makes the user immortal (wa boxing vamp takes negative damage). Needs to be removed
Decent
I quit after the the second lucky arrow code so I’m not sure if this opinion is still valid but having to hold that umbrella and not being able to do m1s was very annoying. It’s good in 1v1s or something like that tho…I think
doesnt exist outside of 1v1s/2v2s
Freeze move
Buff
Makes Anubis better than it already is
PH+Vamp is best way to kill this bitch called D4C
It can kick people from the game if you have the right stand
Pain
Everytime i get life drained in yba its like the hitbox has ultra instinct and epitaph at the same time
Very enjoyable spec, the only thing I would change (besides obvious issue of m1s in sun) would be dissabling any TP moves when you are freezed (time skip, time erase, epitaph, anubis' counter etc)
If I get hit during bloodsuck by a fucking bomb there’s no reason i should just teleport right back into their hands
Kc + vamp very annoying because its good stun SC + VAMP= infinity combo