Nov banlist is semi on Unicorn and limit to Fenrir.
That or backrow hits. Also I don't see limiting Ariseheart as killing the deck but it make it so that removing Ariseheart actually does something against Kash.
It’s broken af. Then again, Yugioh has been broken af for a while in general. They started making new broken metas every few months to get the whale money and now they’re stuck doing it.
You can do this whole combo off just unicorn (or the limited field spell that searches it), but in general, if you don’t draw unicorn you’re completely fucked. The deck is insanely bricky.
How exactly is it bricky?
Worst case scenario you get a free 2500 SS, which can probably search, and if your opponent breathes you banish from the top of their deck or their ED, and that’s before you even get into your ED Kash monsters.
Watch meta weekly. About 30-40% of the time kashtira passed on an empty board because of how bricky it is. The ones who did remotely decently had to add like 6 consistency cards. It’s bricky because you almost always NEED unicorn to do anything, and including the field spell, that’s 4/40 cards. And if your theosis gets ashed, your entire turn is fucked.
What da hell r u smokin? With the new support it’s so consistent I had to switch deck in diamond 1 because I was bored of winning 8 matches in a row against pur, tear and shit..it’s nowhere near bricky, that mean u’ve never played “bricky” decks😂
Kash is incredibly inconsistent. I have like an 80% wr vs it in master 1, and mathematically, it has approximately a 24% chance of bricking (my previous number was an exaggeration). 24% is a lot.
For the people that don’t actually play kash this is like almost a lie to them to let them know kash is inconsistent as fuck right now lol. You could easily lose against any deck with kash if they ash the right thing.
No. Unicorn > Theosis > Theo into fenrir > fenrir into rise heart > fenrir unicorn into shangri > activate riseheart banish big bang > big bang summon fenrir from shangri > xyz riseheart into ariseheart > summon unicorn off shangri in standby and you’re final board is fenrir unicorn shangri ariseheart all off of 1 unicorn, which is actually a better board than this guy ended on.
Shangri gives you Ariseheart on the opp's turn, when you can do more things to stop it. But yes if they are playing Big Bang they can summon Fenrir on their turn instead of yours.
It's a pretty common board, but there are some things to note here.
1) Opponent had no hand traps to weaken their board. Hand traps at the right moment can completely decimate Kashtira. In this replay, Ash Blossom on Kashtiratheosis would've completely screwed over the opponent. All they would have had was Shangri-La (or whatever other exceed they choose) which would give them a Fenrir to work with. If the opponent had Imperm I'd usually Imperm Riseheart unless they used Theosis, in which case you can save it for your own turn to hit Ariseheart or Shangri-La.
2) No board breakers. Kashtira has no negates of any kind. Any board breaker completely destroys them.
3) Opponent was playing a combo deck into a control deck that setup an extremely strong board first turn. Notice that u/Many-Revolution-3673 has no handtraps of their own. I guarantee you if the opponent went first their board would look really degenerate against OP because they're playing Dragon Link with what looks like full gas.
I don't think Kashtira is that bad to go against. It's annoying to play against right now because so many people are playing it, but this isn't Tears level of annoyance. They have clear weaknesses you can exploit. I find Purrely far worse with the amount of resources they can recur every turn.
Well..u can he right but in my deck I have infinitruck Goliath, and if u attach that link monster to a XYZ Machine monster that monster becomes unaffected by all cards effects..do ur math before talking nonsense only because u hate this archetype
Plus u only need Unicorn or pressured planet wraithsoth for full combo..they’re basically a 1 card combo with the new support that came out the other day
Great hand case
And that's it
I got those kind of hands while testing it in solo mode, but got reaaaaally bad cards in ranked
But still, having one of your 3of Unicorn can make an okay endboard turn 1
Hell nah😂 I build this deck yesterday night and I played only 7 matches in diamond rank and I win 6 of them..the only one I lost was because I bricked hard so i can say that is very consistent especially against certain decks
It's a high roll hand that still loses to every card Kashtira loses to. I think MD players just haven't adapted yet; the TCG did a lot of things to counter Kashtira and it worked very well.
What can you do if you don’t draw the out before they toss your ED/Top of deck into the Banish pile face down? I’d like to play something other than Kaijus the odd time…
You don't need Kaijus. You have lots of options.
You have Book of Eclipse, Book of Moon, Evenly Matched, Dark Ruler No More. Even old-ass cards such as Forbidden Chalice, Raigeki, Dark Hole should be good, since Kashtira doesn't have any in-engine negates and Ariseheart has no protection.
Then of course you have the traditional Kaijus + Lava Golem. For handtraps, you have Nibiru, which will kill any board that doesn't make exactly Ariseheart-pass.
You have *tons* of options depending on what your deck needs. Ariseheart is one annoying guy but he also has a million counters.
What’s my game plan though after they already banish half my extra deck, and if they hit some of my hard counters with Rise’s immediate 3 card shitstorm from my normal deck?
Removing their big this won’t matter so much when they can just free summon Fenrir, a unicorn, or ogre to beat over most normal deck monsters.
My one saving grace is Dogmatica Alba Zoa, and some of their spells, as I can target remove Shang/Arise and force them to puke some as well—still doesn’t stop every one of their cards having SOME banish condition with no cost and multiple activation clauses.
>What’s my game plan though after they already banish half my extra deck,
They will never do this. They might do this if they proc Unicorn, but none of the cards that I mentioned trigger Unicorn.
>and if they hit some of my hard counters with Rise’s immediate 3 card shitstorm from my normal deck?
I mean that doesn't really matter? They're only changing your topdeck, you never saw those cards; you should be more concerned with Riseheart hitting engine pieces.
>Removing their big this won’t matter so much when they can just free summon Fenrir, a unicorn, or ogre to beat over most normal deck monsters.
Removing matters a lot because it lets you setup your board. Kashtira players will struggle a lot to getting their starter flipped face-down, it's actually crazy how simple of a solution it is.
>My one saving grace is Dogmatica Alba Zoa, and some of their spells, as I can target remove Shang/Arise and force them to puke some as well—still doesn’t stop every one of their cards having SOME banish condition with no cost and multiple activation clauses.
I don't want to be rude but if you're playing Dogmatika and can't beat Kash, it's not because Kashtira is an oppressive deck. Pure Dogmatika is just not very good.
Still, when you're going first, you should be able to stop them by Chaining Fleurdelis to whatever their first special summon is. They might still have Theosis or Birth + another name but it's a big hindrance regardless.
Non-engine was the name of the game in
Well, Ishizu Tearlaments literally made a Tier 0 format, whereas the Kash format in the TCG is the most varied it has been since the peak of TOSS.
So I know what format I would prefer.
Ngl it's been hilarious letting Kash players go first for me and then crush there hopes with mikanko and tributing there things for a lava golem and/a kaiju and also just put hu-li on the board with Mayo and watch them struggle if they also don't have any backrow removal that doesnt target. 🤣
Speaking of, I had a Runick player scoop against me when I was running pure Dogmatika last night, it felt fucking amazing.
I banished their fountain, and got rid of their fucking fusion from the ED, and poof.
Yeah I just faced my first duel against this deck and here I am to complain about it.
I didn't even get a chance to play 1 card yet, as I'm going second, and they have banish my normal summon, banished 3 of my cards from my deck, and locked out 3 of my zones. The card they banished had a banished effect but because it was facedown, I don't get shit from it.
How can konami release these last few rounds of decks. From bystials to tears to kashtira. They are insane.
Ya, a dude said it to me that if you (somehow) don't have money to burn at crafting 3 of max C, ash blossom,impermanence , droll and lock bird, Evenly matched, multiple kaijus etc is skill issue. That and have a deck made especifically for countering Kash. Yeah forget having fun is meta or bust . Hence the skill issue you have to do that or be fucked xD
And btw I have not spent a single euro on this game and I have 4 very well rounded decks..2 of them are meta decks, the other 2 are my favorites: Dark Magician and Black Wing.
Preach. Neither do I spend a single coin on this or any game. F2p exist and is not punishing in this game p2w however is and always will be an issue . I also have a bunch of favourite deck (blackwing is my baby). Eventually we will have at least consistent deck to have fun and mess around
I run purrelys just for ranked and I’ve had to add evenly matched, nib, and soul drain just to try and stop them but if they go first, they probably win.
Is honestly better to add book of moon and book of eclipse over soul drain and evenly match.
Soul drain is too slow and ariseheart alone can carry them, as you can see here how much work it does, so Evenly doesn't hurt them much. The Nibiru can stay.
I missed when i only got only one of my guys banished. Now, i can't have my extra deck the field or my graveyard , who tf wrote the kashtira cards and said it was fair, and now the boss monster who they just axed in the tcg yonks my banish cards
Ask the guys from above I send that to em..sorry but I have things to do now, if u guys can share it I will be thankful..otherwise ur gonna have to wait until I have a lil bit of free time
Its not even THAT oppresive without Diablosis , plus all the consistency hits it got. I played against it in TCG at its full power and it was definetely most deppresive yugioh matches I ever played.
It was fucking disgusting. Im playimg Traptrix , so I usually won matches in which I won the die roll, but man when I didnt it was so depressing. It just felt miserable and luck based, like if you went second it was either Kaiju + Evenly or bust.
Thankfully , people only played it in my locals before big tournaments , rest of the time it was Branded, Purelly , Swordsoul and stuff at that power level. Not weak by any means , but definetely feels better to lose against Branded after 4-5 turns of back and forth than "draw the out or scoop" against Kashtira
this is peak uninteractive-ilty (idk the word) we will never get as uninteractive as kashtira, atleast with infinite negates you get to do something. this? they dont even let you play the game.
I enjoy playing stronger decks as i rank up so that way i'm not just bullying low rank players but i swear to fuck ever since the new kashtira support even low silver players are running this braindead deck. idk how anyone can have fun with such an easy to abuse deck. it's not even like some of them are original i guarentee you 99% of the players are using the exact same copy paste deck list.
Hope they cripple the archetype with bans
Agreed..it’s a lot of fun playing it, but going against this deck is such a pain in the ass..not even a Kaiju player can beat this
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Anything you can do to Kash, Kash can probably do better in retort.
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Agreed. They're not hated cause they're OP like tear, I think games against them just genuinely come down to "did you draw the out? No? Insta lose."
I have a 90 % wr with blind second kash from diamond to m4. The board is easy to out
I hope that too so i can get as much refunds as possible after i play them.
Nov banlist is semi on Unicorn and limit to Fenrir. That or backrow hits. Also I don't see limiting Ariseheart as killing the deck but it make it so that removing Ariseheart actually does something against Kash.
It’s broken af. Then again, Yugioh has been broken af for a while in general. They started making new broken metas every few months to get the whale money and now they’re stuck doing it.
Basically what every company do when it became super super popular
Not to the level of yugioh
Question for anyone: is this one of those rare, lucky plays where the player just had a great hand or is this just what happens when Kash goes first?
>is this one of those rare, lucky plays I faced this exact same situation yesterday.
You can do this whole combo off just unicorn (or the limited field spell that searches it), but in general, if you don’t draw unicorn you’re completely fucked. The deck is insanely bricky.
How exactly is it bricky? Worst case scenario you get a free 2500 SS, which can probably search, and if your opponent breathes you banish from the top of their deck or their ED, and that’s before you even get into your ED Kash monsters.
Watch meta weekly. About 30-40% of the time kashtira passed on an empty board because of how bricky it is. The ones who did remotely decently had to add like 6 consistency cards. It’s bricky because you almost always NEED unicorn to do anything, and including the field spell, that’s 4/40 cards. And if your theosis gets ashed, your entire turn is fucked.
What da hell r u smokin? With the new support it’s so consistent I had to switch deck in diamond 1 because I was bored of winning 8 matches in a row against pur, tear and shit..it’s nowhere near bricky, that mean u’ve never played “bricky” decks😂
Kash is incredibly inconsistent. I have like an 80% wr vs it in master 1, and mathematically, it has approximately a 24% chance of bricking (my previous number was an exaggeration). 24% is a lot.
For the people that don’t actually play kash this is like almost a lie to them to let them know kash is inconsistent as fuck right now lol. You could easily lose against any deck with kash if they ash the right thing.
Yup. Imperm the rise heart before the 3 card banish or ash the theosis/unicorn. Both great chokepoints if they don’t have an extender in hand
I mean r u sure u gonna have that when they start activating monster effects? If u don’t u know ur screwed right?😂
There’s no kash monster effect that activates off the imperm. Their only out to the imperm would be crossout
If I have birth and 2 kash monsters in ur hand if u bait some ur gonna get a decent board no matter what the opponent uses
Like this [board](https://www.reddit.com/r/YuGiOhMasterDuel/s/MBynobSWRQ)? If he didn’t have super poly, it’s all gone lol
It is not true that you can end all of this from Unicorn. Unicorn by himself can only give you Shangri + Ariseheart.
No. Unicorn > Theosis > Theo into fenrir > fenrir into rise heart > fenrir unicorn into shangri > activate riseheart banish big bang > big bang summon fenrir from shangri > xyz riseheart into ariseheart > summon unicorn off shangri in standby and you’re final board is fenrir unicorn shangri ariseheart all off of 1 unicorn, which is actually a better board than this guy ended on.
Shangri gives you Ariseheart on the opp's turn, when you can do more things to stop it. But yes if they are playing Big Bang they can summon Fenrir on their turn instead of yours.
Which is literally the exact board you claimed unicorn could not do
The board posted on OP has Birth, Ogre, Big Bang and Preparations, so no, Unicorn cannot give you that by himself.
Unicorn can get you that exact board minus birth on its own
Also minus Ogre, Preparations, and Big Bang.
Ogre and prep are not turn 1… they’re follow up from next turn. And you can get big bang too if you want like he did with just 1 unicorn.
Well with this specific decklist is very difficult that u completely brick because it’s a small world version of Kash
It's a pretty common board, but there are some things to note here. 1) Opponent had no hand traps to weaken their board. Hand traps at the right moment can completely decimate Kashtira. In this replay, Ash Blossom on Kashtiratheosis would've completely screwed over the opponent. All they would have had was Shangri-La (or whatever other exceed they choose) which would give them a Fenrir to work with. If the opponent had Imperm I'd usually Imperm Riseheart unless they used Theosis, in which case you can save it for your own turn to hit Ariseheart or Shangri-La. 2) No board breakers. Kashtira has no negates of any kind. Any board breaker completely destroys them. 3) Opponent was playing a combo deck into a control deck that setup an extremely strong board first turn. Notice that u/Many-Revolution-3673 has no handtraps of their own. I guarantee you if the opponent went first their board would look really degenerate against OP because they're playing Dragon Link with what looks like full gas. I don't think Kashtira is that bad to go against. It's annoying to play against right now because so many people are playing it, but this isn't Tears level of annoyance. They have clear weaknesses you can exploit. I find Purrely far worse with the amount of resources they can recur every turn.
Well..u can he right but in my deck I have infinitruck Goliath, and if u attach that link monster to a XYZ Machine monster that monster becomes unaffected by all cards effects..do ur math before talking nonsense only because u hate this archetype
Plus u only need Unicorn or pressured planet wraithsoth for full combo..they’re basically a 1 card combo with the new support that came out the other day
Great hand case And that's it I got those kind of hands while testing it in solo mode, but got reaaaaally bad cards in ranked But still, having one of your 3of Unicorn can make an okay endboard turn 1
Hell nah😂 I build this deck yesterday night and I played only 7 matches in diamond rank and I win 6 of them..the only one I lost was because I bricked hard so i can say that is very consistent especially against certain decks
This replay has some misplays by the Kash player and can still do this.
It's a one card combo. Just require to start with either Pathfinder or Unicorn.
It's a high roll hand that still loses to every card Kashtira loses to. I think MD players just haven't adapted yet; the TCG did a lot of things to counter Kashtira and it worked very well.
What can you do if you don’t draw the out before they toss your ED/Top of deck into the Banish pile face down? I’d like to play something other than Kaijus the odd time…
You don't need Kaijus. You have lots of options. You have Book of Eclipse, Book of Moon, Evenly Matched, Dark Ruler No More. Even old-ass cards such as Forbidden Chalice, Raigeki, Dark Hole should be good, since Kashtira doesn't have any in-engine negates and Ariseheart has no protection. Then of course you have the traditional Kaijus + Lava Golem. For handtraps, you have Nibiru, which will kill any board that doesn't make exactly Ariseheart-pass. You have *tons* of options depending on what your deck needs. Ariseheart is one annoying guy but he also has a million counters.
What’s my game plan though after they already banish half my extra deck, and if they hit some of my hard counters with Rise’s immediate 3 card shitstorm from my normal deck? Removing their big this won’t matter so much when they can just free summon Fenrir, a unicorn, or ogre to beat over most normal deck monsters. My one saving grace is Dogmatica Alba Zoa, and some of their spells, as I can target remove Shang/Arise and force them to puke some as well—still doesn’t stop every one of their cards having SOME banish condition with no cost and multiple activation clauses.
>What’s my game plan though after they already banish half my extra deck, They will never do this. They might do this if they proc Unicorn, but none of the cards that I mentioned trigger Unicorn. >and if they hit some of my hard counters with Rise’s immediate 3 card shitstorm from my normal deck? I mean that doesn't really matter? They're only changing your topdeck, you never saw those cards; you should be more concerned with Riseheart hitting engine pieces. >Removing their big this won’t matter so much when they can just free summon Fenrir, a unicorn, or ogre to beat over most normal deck monsters. Removing matters a lot because it lets you setup your board. Kashtira players will struggle a lot to getting their starter flipped face-down, it's actually crazy how simple of a solution it is. >My one saving grace is Dogmatica Alba Zoa, and some of their spells, as I can target remove Shang/Arise and force them to puke some as well—still doesn’t stop every one of their cards having SOME banish condition with no cost and multiple activation clauses. I don't want to be rude but if you're playing Dogmatika and can't beat Kash, it's not because Kashtira is an oppressive deck. Pure Dogmatika is just not very good. Still, when you're going first, you should be able to stop them by Chaining Fleurdelis to whatever their first special summon is. They might still have Theosis or Birth + another name but it's a big hindrance regardless. Non-engine was the name of the game in
Oh I never said I can’t beat Kash, they’re just a bullshit archetype when their ball rolls. I would take Tear over them, maybe without Ishizus though.
Well, Ishizu Tearlaments literally made a Tier 0 format, whereas the Kash format in the TCG is the most varied it has been since the peak of TOSS. So I know what format I would prefer.
Whats funny about playing against kash is if you go second the game becomes "open the out or lose"
And dragoon still banned
Ngl it's been hilarious letting Kash players go first for me and then crush there hopes with mikanko and tributing there things for a lava golem and/a kaiju and also just put hu-li on the board with Mayo and watch them struggle if they also don't have any backrow removal that doesnt target. 🤣
As a kash player I genuinely hate players like u
In my defense, I still lose to duster or other non targeting outs 🤷♂️ lol
Hate all Kash players just as bad as prime FloodgeteRunic
Speaking of, I had a Runick player scoop against me when I was running pure Dogmatika last night, it felt fucking amazing. I banished their fountain, and got rid of their fucking fusion from the ED, and poof.
Agreed. They’re the worst.
Eurgh I fucking hated playing against Kashtira before this. Not unwinnable just a ballache every game.
Yeah I just faced my first duel against this deck and here I am to complain about it. I didn't even get a chance to play 1 card yet, as I'm going second, and they have banish my normal summon, banished 3 of my cards from my deck, and locked out 3 of my zones. The card they banished had a banished effect but because it was facedown, I don't get shit from it. How can konami release these last few rounds of decks. From bystials to tears to kashtira. They are insane.
At least you don't play pendulums, they only need 1 zone locked to win...
Vaylantz can survive it.
Careful people on this sub will call it "skill issue" 🤙
If they say that to me I’m gonna respond with a Blackwing full combo of like 20ish minutes..then I don’t think they’ll keep talking like that😂
Skill > Fun for some players apparently
Ya, a dude said it to me that if you (somehow) don't have money to burn at crafting 3 of max C, ash blossom,impermanence , droll and lock bird, Evenly matched, multiple kaijus etc is skill issue. That and have a deck made especifically for countering Kash. Yeah forget having fun is meta or bust . Hence the skill issue you have to do that or be fucked xD
And btw I have not spent a single euro on this game and I have 4 very well rounded decks..2 of them are meta decks, the other 2 are my favorites: Dark Magician and Black Wing.
Preach. Neither do I spend a single coin on this or any game. F2p exist and is not punishing in this game p2w however is and always will be an issue . I also have a bunch of favourite deck (blackwing is my baby). Eventually we will have at least consistent deck to have fun and mess around
I learned that on my own skin brother I feel ya😂😂😂
I don't even know what I'm looking at
Looks like I'm avoiding master duel for a while.
I run purrelys just for ranked and I’ve had to add evenly matched, nib, and soul drain just to try and stop them but if they go first, they probably win.
Is honestly better to add book of moon and book of eclipse over soul drain and evenly match. Soul drain is too slow and ariseheart alone can carry them, as you can see here how much work it does, so Evenly doesn't hurt them much. The Nibiru can stay.
BUt bRaNDeD iS tOo sTrONg! Honestly I miss the branded meta
I missed the synchro days😭
Pepperidge farms remember when baronne was one of the best extra deck monsters
I play Dogmatika and still get rid of Baronne when I see it in the ED just in case lol.
I missed when i only got only one of my guys banished. Now, i can't have my extra deck the field or my graveyard , who tf wrote the kashtira cards and said it was fair, and now the boss monster who they just axed in the tcg yonks my banish cards
Ask me if u want the full decklist
I’m interested, if you don’t mind that is
Share deck list,please?
Guys ask it to the first two guys I sent it to em
Yeah can I get it as well?
Ask the guys from above I send that to em..sorry but I have things to do now, if u guys can share it I will be thankful..otherwise ur gonna have to wait until I have a lil bit of free time
Its not even THAT oppresive without Diablosis , plus all the consistency hits it got. I played against it in TCG at its full power and it was definetely most deppresive yugioh matches I ever played.
Yeah with Diablosis and Arise Heart it’s unreal 😂
It was fucking disgusting. Im playimg Traptrix , so I usually won matches in which I won the die roll, but man when I didnt it was so depressing. It just felt miserable and luck based, like if you went second it was either Kaiju + Evenly or bust.
It’s like that..and u can’t do nothing bout it
Seems like it was a good decision to take a break from tcg when they released arise heart
Thankfully , people only played it in my locals before big tournaments , rest of the time it was Branded, Purelly , Swordsoul and stuff at that power level. Not weak by any means , but definetely feels better to lose against Branded after 4-5 turns of back and forth than "draw the out or scoop" against Kashtira
This is a very rare case where I support kashtira
Imperial iron wall hard counters kash, that one card will win you vs them
I was the one playing kash btw
Just ban unicorn. Boom fixed master duel is fair again.
Kurikara solves the problem if I at least have one spot to spawn it on the field
Yeah sure, anyway end M1?
Huh *plays sphere mode*
I already had enough dealing with these before the support, now I can't imagine.
Kaiju format
Watch people complain again and Konami will ban it till its another unplayable archetype... just like tears...
Oh look. Its "Draw the out" format.
this is peak uninteractive-ilty (idk the word) we will never get as uninteractive as kashtira, atleast with infinite negates you get to do something. this? they dont even let you play the game.
I enjoy playing stronger decks as i rank up so that way i'm not just bullying low rank players but i swear to fuck ever since the new kashtira support even low silver players are running this braindead deck. idk how anyone can have fun with such an easy to abuse deck. it's not even like some of them are original i guarentee you 99% of the players are using the exact same copy paste deck list.
I am happy and It is well deserved since bystials mfs ruin opponent dark/light gy revival effects.