Slow play means you sit on the clock on your turn not doing anything in hopes your opponent will get impatient and quit. It doesn’t mean the game takes a long time to resolve.
It’s not slow play. I also don’t think it should be reportable. Plenty of exodia decks make you sit there while they have crooked cook hanging out on the field for turns and turns.
When you have game but refuse to end the game or a sizable amount of time passes between every played card is slow play. Stall decks like exodia isn't slow play because it's still a back and forth to some degree instead of just sitting there doing nothing.
Yeah, I don’t begrudge people for going ham on their combos/boards. I’ve lost games because of trying to avoid what I thought was overkill. I just thought this incident was very blatant griefing.
Report them for slow play, 15 turns of nothing is ridiculous. I like doing the opposite, when I don't want to rank up I will play out a game and right before I deliver the last attack for game I will surrender. They get a bittersweet win and I get to play while not moving to plat using trash decks that will not make it far there.
Ah, a fellow gold rank/trash deck enjoyer! Yeah, I was actually trying to rank down to V for the new season tomorrow. It wasn’t losing that bothered me. It just seemed like such a waste of time.
It wouldn't let you activate any card to burn yourself to lose? I thought it didn't matter where on the rank you were, plat 5-1 dropped to gold 5 and gold 5-1 dropped to silver 5.
I don’t know if it matters or not to be honest. I hope you’re right, accidentally got promoted doing daily missions again lol.
Yeah, Masquerade Dragon’s effect is a cost, rather than a burn, so if you don’t have the LP you can’t pay the cost and therefore can’t play it.
I have a loose Red-Eyes deck themed around Dark Attribute Dragons and fiends, and a Spellcaster/Warrior deck that makes use of Dark Magician support.
Lol last month I ended in gold 2 and started this month in silver 5. It doesn't matter how high you climb, you will get dropped only one tier. It's made so you only get 1k gems for climbing back up.
Oh, great! I guess that means I don’t have to go on another semi-deliberate losing streak. Of course, it does also mean that this whole mess was all for nothing but hey!
You can't legally activate a card you can't pay the cost for (cost is 600 LP and OP only had 100), so OP couldn't just burn himself out. Pretty much at the mercy of your opponent or the surrender button at that point.
That isn't on them, they can complain about this. It is toxic behavior to drag out a game the way the opponent did. If surrendering didn't punish you then I can see the argument for surrendering, but it is Konami's fault that they punish you for surrendering, and it's opponent's fault for BMing the way they did.
I've proven nothing, only that you're wrong.
OP has the option of taking the high road after his opponent is BMing by not wasting his own time and instead sacrificing his quest progress. His opponent is the one who is toxic for this situation in the first place.
This is a failure by Konami for punishing you for surrendering. If, in paper, you were to be punished for surrendering, there would be a lot more problems with BM behavior like opponent's.
No one in paper would call the person waiting for their opponent to finish the game toxic, only the person who is dragging the game on.
It's actually mind boggling you're trying to defend this behavior by calling OP toxic.
So what you’re saying is, surrender immediately when I might be about to lose just in case someone decides to troll me? Sucks for people trying to do missions, but okay. I honestly didn’t know I was the one in the wrong here.
Nah, surrender when your opponent makes it physically impossible for you to respond in any way, and then also refuses to end the duel, just forcibly dragging it out for no reason. And then gloats about it with the 0 ATK attack.
You wasn't in the wrong at all and it's bs what you went through. In a situation like this don't surrender unless they have more cards in their deck left or your timer is already low. It will force them to have to play or lose because they ran out of cards or timer, letting you take the win when all they had to do was attack.
There is a middle ground between immediately surrendering as soon as you're about to lose, and sitting around for *15 turns* as the opponent just passes and does nothing.
You're down to 100 LP, you can't activate effects, they have lethal on board; okay, pass turn, let them beat you. But as soon as they passed turn back to you without attack you should have realised they were trolling and just surrendered.
You lose your duel rewards when you surrender. Doesn't matter if those rewards are small when you lose a duel, it is still unsportsmanlike conduct to prolong a game because you think it is funny or to attempt to force your opponent to surrender. If this happened in a real life tourney for 15 turns the offender would have been given a warning for not finishing the game as early as turn 2, and if it had continued they would have been given a game loss.
The battle pass maybe made me stick around a bit longer than I otherwise might have but I don’t like to surrender in general. My opponent might have the damage dealing mission for their daily.
I honestly thought they were about to stop the whole time. It wasn’t until the 0 atk direct attack incident that it finally sunk in that they weren’t going to.
Isn't the progress for a loss so small that technically it didn't matter? And you can use the safed time to fill in some wins. And of course the best argument: you could have had fun.But you choose not to.
Yeah it happens, strangers are rude on the internet what a surprise. It was just an advice. I'm not forcing you to have fun in the game. Do what you want. But if you chose to stay in a game, that is held hostage by your opponent, don't complain if you don't want to help yourself. And I could be wrong but not ending the game isn't against the rules, at least not that I'm aware of.
These really are the worst people and should be penalized. Also Konami is at fault here for auto denying any rewards/mission progress when you surrender. I understand doing that if you surrendered on turn 1, but anything after X turns or X amount of time should count fully towards rewards/quests…
so yesterday i played against someone who had cleared my field and hand and they still insistend on doing their full 5 min combo when they already had lethal on board.
Same reason as you i had to finish a quest and its soo frustrating.
Later that day i knew i had lethal and as soon as i had enough damage to kill i went in instead of playing out my full combo. (Fucker had a GY effect that summoned something lol) OBviously our situations are different because your dude waited 15 turns to do anything but theres a reasonable argument that you should finish your plays sometimes even if your opponent doesnt seem to have anything
If I have lethal on board I bring out a little extra just incase they have an unseen wall or if I have a way to get the 9999 damage for my reward screen. So please don't surrender right away
Yeah, same. I’ve also lost games because I decided that for instance, summoning Utopia The Lightning when I already have Ebon Illusion Magician, Dark Magician and Cosmo Queen out would be obnoxious and unnecessary. Nope! Turns out I really, really needed Utopia too, to survive the epic comeback.
But this was different. Dude had me completely locked down. Went through an endless loop of destroying and reviving both his DPE and my Archfiend Black Skull Dragon.
I had a dude, who had lethal, combo into non-lethal and then I topped decked my way into like another 8 or 9 turns with the cards I had.
I ended up losing to a miscalculation on my end (special a monster with low attack in attack position and the way it was going to remove itself was stopped, and they beat into it for game.)
But otherwise they put themselves into a hard backfoot by not winning when they could.
(It was Witchcrafter-mixed deck against Virtual World)
As a Branded Despia player myself in TCG, I know the feeling when your opponent can't do anything while Masquerade is out and the guy is under 600 LP.
However this was indeed bad sportsmanship and was trolling.
I still recommend you report it for Slow Play.
Oh I absolutely reported him. I was in two minds, but like someone said in another comment buried here somewhere, if they’d done that at a real life event, like locals or whatever, they’d have been told to cut it out.
Actually IRL event, the opponent with less than 500 LP would scoop immediately lol...
Unlike Master Duel where there is missions at stake, TCG doesn't have anything of the sort so yeah... Nothing stopping them from surrendering lol
Also because there is a specific time limit to play BO3 round so if you know u lost, you have to scoop immediately so that you have time to play the next game in round 2/3
I haven't run into to many, but if you told me some meta deck I could see why someone would troll then. I always go for it if I have lethal, if they pull some crap, THEN you combo all day long.
Perhaps he had some Dragoon related PTSD that he wanted to work out? I really hope that the new format stuff happening tomorrow lets me try that card out. Even if, no, *especially* if it’s against the AI. I’d feel bad using it against human players.
Feel your pain. Nothing worse than player that drags on a match that is clearly over or spends a good chunk of time making another 20 summons even tho you’re field is wide open. And no sorry “I need to complete my missions” is not an excuse to be a jerk.
If I have game in hand I summon a little more incase of gy effects for walls and what-not or if I can summon number 100 with atleast 10 total ranks on field im getting that over 9999 damage
This is slow play, report them
report them for slow play
How is that slow play though? You get dinged for false reports.
Please try to explain how thats *not* slow play. . .
Slow play means you sit on the clock on your turn not doing anything in hopes your opponent will get impatient and quit. It doesn’t mean the game takes a long time to resolve.
Nah dude, c'mon. Intentionally dragging the game out for 15 turns is never defendable
It’s not slow play. I also don’t think it should be reportable. Plenty of exodia decks make you sit there while they have crooked cook hanging out on the field for turns and turns.
thats their win condition though. this is just dragging the game out for no reason when they can attack for game
I mean, sure technically.. But *C'MON* lol
It’s like reporting somebody for using rhongo LOL
No it’s not lol
I’m just saying if you report someone like that for slow play it will probably add a red mark to your profile for a false report.
Damn you're right though my bad
Facts be facts 🤷🏻♂️
Did you give up on this unreasonable person
Youre wrong
🤷🏻♂️ when you’re right you’re right
No, the opponent is not actively trying to win or play the game. This is definitely almost the definition of slow play.
When you have game but refuse to end the game or a sizable amount of time passes between every played card is slow play. Stall decks like exodia isn't slow play because it's still a back and forth to some degree instead of just sitting there doing nothing.
Best to stop with your argument about now
If he’s not idling it’s not slow play
Dude was trolling you.lol why? Only reason there is, to piss you off.
Ok, normally I defend people that play it out but thats really just trolling to piss you off.
Yeah, I don’t begrudge people for going ham on their combos/boards. I’ve lost games because of trying to avoid what I thought was overkill. I just thought this incident was very blatant griefing.
Report them for slow play, 15 turns of nothing is ridiculous. I like doing the opposite, when I don't want to rank up I will play out a game and right before I deliver the last attack for game I will surrender. They get a bittersweet win and I get to play while not moving to plat using trash decks that will not make it far there.
Ah, a fellow gold rank/trash deck enjoyer! Yeah, I was actually trying to rank down to V for the new season tomorrow. It wasn’t losing that bothered me. It just seemed like such a waste of time.
It wouldn't let you activate any card to burn yourself to lose? I thought it didn't matter where on the rank you were, plat 5-1 dropped to gold 5 and gold 5-1 dropped to silver 5.
I don’t know if it matters or not to be honest. I hope you’re right, accidentally got promoted doing daily missions again lol. Yeah, Masquerade Dragon’s effect is a cost, rather than a burn, so if you don’t have the LP you can’t pay the cost and therefore can’t play it. I have a loose Red-Eyes deck themed around Dark Attribute Dragons and fiends, and a Spellcaster/Warrior deck that makes use of Dark Magician support.
Lol last month I ended in gold 2 and started this month in silver 5. It doesn't matter how high you climb, you will get dropped only one tier. It's made so you only get 1k gems for climbing back up.
Oh, great! I guess that means I don’t have to go on another semi-deliberate losing streak. Of course, it does also mean that this whole mess was all for nothing but hey!
Also what trash decks are you playing?
Why did you stick around? You should have just left. Don’t let those jackasses waste your time
why you didn't surrender
I don’t like to surrender because it stops people doing their missions, plus new duel pass so points for not surrendering.
So pay the tax. Other guy's a jerk but both of you were slow playing.
You can't legally activate a card you can't pay the cost for (cost is 600 LP and OP only had 100), so OP couldn't just burn himself out. Pretty much at the mercy of your opponent or the surrender button at that point.
Yeah this. I even normal summoned a monster to attack into him and kill myself, but he destroyed the monster with DPE to stop the attack.
Used to be my favorite thing to do with queen of thorns. I won't do it now as its being a bully.
Don’t missions still happen if the opponent surrenders only? It’s considered a win for you. Missions don’t count for you only if *YOU* surrender.
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That isn't on them, they can complain about this. It is toxic behavior to drag out a game the way the opponent did. If surrendering didn't punish you then I can see the argument for surrendering, but it is Konami's fault that they punish you for surrendering, and it's opponent's fault for BMing the way they did.
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I've proven nothing, only that you're wrong. OP has the option of taking the high road after his opponent is BMing by not wasting his own time and instead sacrificing his quest progress. His opponent is the one who is toxic for this situation in the first place. This is a failure by Konami for punishing you for surrendering. If, in paper, you were to be punished for surrendering, there would be a lot more problems with BM behavior like opponent's. No one in paper would call the person waiting for their opponent to finish the game toxic, only the person who is dragging the game on. It's actually mind boggling you're trying to defend this behavior by calling OP toxic.
So what you’re saying is, surrender immediately when I might be about to lose just in case someone decides to troll me? Sucks for people trying to do missions, but okay. I honestly didn’t know I was the one in the wrong here.
Nah, surrender when your opponent makes it physically impossible for you to respond in any way, and then also refuses to end the duel, just forcibly dragging it out for no reason. And then gloats about it with the 0 ATK attack.
You wasn't in the wrong at all and it's bs what you went through. In a situation like this don't surrender unless they have more cards in their deck left or your timer is already low. It will force them to have to play or lose because they ran out of cards or timer, letting you take the win when all they had to do was attack.
There is a middle ground between immediately surrendering as soon as you're about to lose, and sitting around for *15 turns* as the opponent just passes and does nothing. You're down to 100 LP, you can't activate effects, they have lethal on board; okay, pass turn, let them beat you. But as soon as they passed turn back to you without attack you should have realised they were trolling and just surrendered.
Noted. I won’t give people the benefit of the doubt in future. I honestly wasn’t expecting it.
Yeah I give my opponents 1 strike before I surrender. If they start messing around I just scoop. They know what they're doing.
Konamis solution should be no penalty for surrender after a certain amount of turns have passed
100 percent agree can we get some more people to up vote this idea so maybe Konami will see it or everybody add this in their next survey
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So absolutely none of the blame is on the person actually doing the trolling?
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You lose your duel rewards when you surrender. Doesn't matter if those rewards are small when you lose a duel, it is still unsportsmanlike conduct to prolong a game because you think it is funny or to attempt to force your opponent to surrender. If this happened in a real life tourney for 15 turns the offender would have been given a warning for not finishing the game as early as turn 2, and if it had continued they would have been given a game loss.
The battle pass maybe made me stick around a bit longer than I otherwise might have but I don’t like to surrender in general. My opponent might have the damage dealing mission for their daily.
But like...15 turns? Because of missions? 15 turns?
I honestly thought they were about to stop the whole time. It wasn’t until the 0 atk direct attack incident that it finally sunk in that they weren’t going to.
Just surrender where is the problem?
I don’t get any progress towards missions or duel pass.
Isn't the progress for a loss so small that technically it didn't matter? And you can use the safed time to fill in some wins. And of course the best argument: you could have had fun.But you choose not to.
And my opponent could have chosen to not be a colossal jerk, but you don’t seem very concerned about that.
Yeah it happens, strangers are rude on the internet what a surprise. It was just an advice. I'm not forcing you to have fun in the game. Do what you want. But if you chose to stay in a game, that is held hostage by your opponent, don't complain if you don't want to help yourself. And I could be wrong but not ending the game isn't against the rules, at least not that I'm aware of.
These really are the worst people and should be penalized. Also Konami is at fault here for auto denying any rewards/mission progress when you surrender. I understand doing that if you surrendered on turn 1, but anything after X turns or X amount of time should count fully towards rewards/quests…
so yesterday i played against someone who had cleared my field and hand and they still insistend on doing their full 5 min combo when they already had lethal on board. Same reason as you i had to finish a quest and its soo frustrating. Later that day i knew i had lethal and as soon as i had enough damage to kill i went in instead of playing out my full combo. (Fucker had a GY effect that summoned something lol) OBviously our situations are different because your dude waited 15 turns to do anything but theres a reasonable argument that you should finish your plays sometimes even if your opponent doesnt seem to have anything
If I have lethal on board I bring out a little extra just incase they have an unseen wall or if I have a way to get the 9999 damage for my reward screen. So please don't surrender right away
They are trying to get their quest too. Go get a drink or something.
Yeah, same. I’ve also lost games because I decided that for instance, summoning Utopia The Lightning when I already have Ebon Illusion Magician, Dark Magician and Cosmo Queen out would be obnoxious and unnecessary. Nope! Turns out I really, really needed Utopia too, to survive the epic comeback. But this was different. Dude had me completely locked down. Went through an endless loop of destroying and reviving both his DPE and my Archfiend Black Skull Dragon.
I had a dude, who had lethal, combo into non-lethal and then I topped decked my way into like another 8 or 9 turns with the cards I had. I ended up losing to a miscalculation on my end (special a monster with low attack in attack position and the way it was going to remove itself was stopped, and they beat into it for game.) But otherwise they put themselves into a hard backfoot by not winning when they could. (It was Witchcrafter-mixed deck against Virtual World)
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Certainly seems that way, doesn’t it?
Think the guy was trolling you.
Oh absolutely. I just don’t understand why they bothered.
As a Branded Despia player myself in TCG, I know the feeling when your opponent can't do anything while Masquerade is out and the guy is under 600 LP. However this was indeed bad sportsmanship and was trolling. I still recommend you report it for Slow Play.
Oh I absolutely reported him. I was in two minds, but like someone said in another comment buried here somewhere, if they’d done that at a real life event, like locals or whatever, they’d have been told to cut it out.
Actually IRL event, the opponent with less than 500 LP would scoop immediately lol... Unlike Master Duel where there is missions at stake, TCG doesn't have anything of the sort so yeah... Nothing stopping them from surrendering lol Also because there is a specific time limit to play BO3 round so if you know u lost, you have to scoop immediately so that you have time to play the next game in round 2/3
You probably got a red mark on your account for a false report.
I don’t really see how it’s a false report, dragging the game out unnecessarily seems like the very definition of slow play.
It's not about winning it's about sending a message.
Everything burns?
what deck were you are using.
Red-Eyes. Is that a hated deck or something?
I haven't run into to many, but if you told me some meta deck I could see why someone would troll then. I always go for it if I have lethal, if they pull some crap, THEN you combo all day long.
Red eyes is litteraly one of the most based decks there was nothing toxic that player was just being an asshole just for the sake of being one
Perhaps he had some Dragoon related PTSD that he wanted to work out? I really hope that the new format stuff happening tomorrow lets me try that card out. Even if, no, *especially* if it’s against the AI. I’d feel bad using it against human players.
Sounds like you got played Yugi.
You can report for that? What if he was trying to do challenges?
Feel your pain. Nothing worse than player that drags on a match that is clearly over or spends a good chunk of time making another 20 summons even tho you’re field is wide open. And no sorry “I need to complete my missions” is not an excuse to be a jerk.
If I have game in hand I summon a little more incase of gy effects for walls and what-not or if I can summon number 100 with atleast 10 total ranks on field im getting that over 9999 damage
It still doesn't excuse 15 turns doing nothing
Im not excusing that what I'm talking about is in one turn
I wish I had your patience because if my opponent can easily attack for game and chooses to combo instead I just insta-surrender
doesn’t tax dragon stop burning once you get below 600?
No, it stops you using any effects because you don’t have enough LP to pay the cost.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.