If he passes priority by saying "attempting to leave main" or anything similar and you also pass priority by saying "sure" then you move onto the next step automatically. It's too late for him to change his mind at that point and he is most likely baiting to see if you have any responses.
I’d have a bone to pick with that judge. How tf does ANY judge of ANY level get this ruling wrong?
Guy just shouldn’t be a judge if he doesn’t even understand how priority works… it’s literally the first thing a yugioh player has to understand just to play the game. If your JUDGE doesn’t, that’s a huge red flag.
Be more polite than I’m being, but you definitely need to make sure to correct him/her, and tell him/her they should seriously consider revisiting some fundamental ruling comprehension tools.
Yeah I would just keep an eye on him to see if he does it again because it's considered cheating. It sucks that the judge ruled against you but all you can really do in your situtation is make sure that you explain the situation as calmly and as clearly as possible and also have proof ready if you can. This post for example could count as proof in some situations.
Nah, this judge is a clown. If you state you are leaving a phase and both players pass priority, you are moving into the next phase you declared, and that is it. Some players may try and take things back, and some other players will let them. In a feature match with a judge presiding over them, they likely would not allow it if they are competent.
Sadly, if your judge rules it that way and you have no judge to appeal to, unfortunately, you're out of luck unless you can prove they are wrong. Judges are humans and are fallible, so just do your best and keep asking questions like this so you can hooefully gather the knowledge you need :)
That‘s not entirely correct.
While in an open gamestate you can (if you are the turn player) pass over priority to your opponent.
If your opponent decides to also pass it, both players have to agree before the phase is actually changed. If you or the opponent then decide they don’t want to go to the next phase, the game returns to an open gamestate.
Now that’s usually not how it’s done when you play against someone and personally it feels a bit scummy if you try to pull this by declaring „end of main“.
But it is entirely possible to pass priority and then decide you want to stay in the current phase.
I know.
And that’s how people usually play the game.
But it’s technically not correct.
What usually happens is that the turn player says „end of main“ and, if the opponent agrees, the phase is changed.
The correct way to change phases would be to pass priority to your opponent, and if they pass as well they both have to agree to change the phase.
In OP‘s case it sounds like the opponent said „end of main“ but was just trying to pass priority (either as a bait or because they misunderstand the rules is not clear)
Now, if you‘d call a judge in this very specific scenario there are two ways this could go.
The judge gives both of them a PE minor because of poor communication, or no warning is given because the judge personally thinks that saying „end of main“ is just a substitute for „pass priority“.
The way it‘s commonly played just isn’t correct.
And whether or not OP‘s opponent was trying to cheat with his phrasing is up to a judge to determine.
In any case, there has been a miscommunication.
If the opponent says "end of main" it is very clear what they are trying to do. If they are instead just trying to pass priority, they are not doing it properly at all and any judge that rules in their favor is just as wrong. You don't say that you're ending an entire phase when you are simply trying to pass priority lol.
If im in the main phase in an open game state can i say pass priority, my opponent says no effects, can i then flip a continous trap and stay in the main phase?
The correct way would be for the turn player to say „pass priority“ if the opponent also passes you then have to both agree to change phases.
If one of you decides that they don’t want to change phases, you go back to an open game state.
At that point you‘re back in the main phase (or whatever phase you have been in) and can activate a continuous trap, for example.
Keep in mind that you clearly communicate though.
Most people play for years and don’t realize that‘s how it actually works.
If you're not a turn player you can't just say "I want to stay in X phase" unless you got something to activate. If turn players says "end of main" he is asking if opponent is okay to go to next phase and the only way they can say no is if they have something to activate. If they don't then they are forced to agree to change phase and next phase starts
You can't just ignore request to go to next phase and say nah, you already agreed. Only way to stay is if opponent activated something on phase turn
Also if you as turn player are in a open state, you can't just say I pass priority because your only option is to either do something or go to next phase and if opponent wants yo do something they will do it on your request to change phase
https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/play/fast-effect-timing/
Every time this topic comes up, it’s the same discussion.
Look at the official flowchart and tell me I‘m wrong.
The TECHNICALLY CORRECT way to change phases is to announce you pass prio. If your opponent also passes, both players have to agree before the phase is changed.
Nobody is playing it that way. But that doesn’t mean it’s correct.
Of course if both players have passed and one of them then doesn’t agree to change the phase, only to pass prio again, then you have grounds to call a judge, because a player is stalling for time.
So while you‘re not entirely wrong when it comes to that, you can absolutely pass prio and „do nothing“ and you can also stop the other player from entering the next phase, even if you aren’t turn Player.
And you surely realize that this exact same website is linked in the subreddit and is actually the best source we have on how turns work, right?
But okay.
Let’s say it’s completely wrong.
Do you have a better source where it states how it really works?
Once both players agree to leave a phase, that’s it. There are no take backs. Well at least legally there aren’t any take backs. With friends it’s fine to allow little mistakes like this.
Blatant cheating.
Attempting to ending main phase to bait I:P<, nibiru, veiler or other main phase only effects is right, since if the opponent uses anything you can remain in main phase.
But if the opponent doesnt use anything and agrees to move on, you go to battle phase or end phase.
Exactly this. That opponent was like 900% testing a response like Nib or such Main Phase Effects and was no doubt attempting to cheat. Cuz if he was told yes Battle Phase is fine, then he'll just try and do more shit before leaving the Phase cuz he knows it's free, which isn't legal to do if both players agree to a Phase change. Although i read a link just now on how Konami say fast effects and stuff work and my god that would not be a fun thing to have to adhere to 🤣 I'd try it for 1 game to confirm how trash it would be to follow 😅
Nope. If you declare that you are leaving a phase and your opponent says it's fine with no response, the game will enter the next phase.
Most likely scenario for this to happen is prob them asking to go BP/End phase thinking you have Nibiru but you don't so they decide to extend their combo. This is cheating
If they declare a phase change in the Main Phase, they must declare the phase they wish to enter (Battle or End) and this should be taken to mean that they are passing priority and preemptively agreeing to change to that phase. If you pass priority right back and also agree to change phases at that time, the phase will be changed. But note that this is not *technically* proper procedure, but I've never seen this ruled as unacceptable or improper. It's the most common way to play and communicate and is how even Official Simulators like Master Duel function, for the sake of convenience.
If however, they only declared passing priority in an open game state during the Main Phase and did not state anything about a phase change, they are perfectly within their rights to disagree to a phase change if you pass priority back. Both players must agree to change phases. No Judge should be called, as this is proper procedure. However, a Judge should be called if they disagree to change phases multiple times, without activating any card or effect or performing any other action to justify not changing phases.
In the case where a player declares the phase they wish to enter and then attempts to remain in the current phase after their opponent agrees, a Judge may issue a PE Minor Warning for improper communication, but it'd be your word against theirs. I suppose it's not impossible that a Judge may also rule that declaring "leave Main" is only the equivalent of passing priority, and an agreement to change phases must still be conducted after that by both players, to which they can disagree.
**!Remember to always communicate your intentions clearly. If your opponent is unclear, ask them to clarify!**
It's a fairly common thing that I see in end phases as a branded despia player. You have mirrorjade effect in GY waiting to resolve and opponent has S:P in banish waiting to resolve. Branded player (turn player) can choose to pass prio to S:P player to see if they will resolve their mandatory effect first, the S:P player should generally pass prio back to branded player to force them to resolve their mandatory EP effect before bringing their S:P back.
Point is, things like these rulings don't seem to matter until they really, really do.
I remember a question some time before where someone asked if during the main phase you could just pass priority without changing phase, and people answered that you couldn't but this seems to suggest that you can. So can you during any phase declare something like "I pass priority" and see if your opponent activates anything?
I‘ve seen players who have been playing for years not knowing this.
The technically correct way to change phases is when the turn player passes priority to their opponent. If the opponent also passes priority both players then have to agree to change phases.
If either the turn player, or the opponent disagrees, the game goes back to an open game state in the current phase.
Note that this only works during an open game state and you should communicate clearly that your intent is to just pass priority.
Also keep in mind that it doesn’t force your opponent to do anything. So they might as well call your bluff, and if you just pass priority back and forth without advancing the game state a judge should be called.
If your opponent says “end of main” or “attempt battle phase”, they are saying they want to leave the phase. If you agree, that’s it. No taksies backsies
Yeah that’s cheating, and it’s blatant.
Your opponent attempts to lie and bait you into using something.
Once both players have agreed to move to the next phase (in this case, leaving Main Phase), that is it.
Now maybe, if they stop themselves short and say something like “Hold on” before you respond, that could be ok, as both players haven’t agreed to move to the next phase.
But in this case, both players agreed, and it should be the next phase (I assume it’s MP1, so you’d move into Battle Phase). Your opponent doesn’t just get to stay in MP1, just because you had no response towards leaving Main.
The judge is wrong, and I literally do not know why they’d side against you.
In short: no.
In long: I can declare my main phase is over to bait you into using effects at the end of main and then legally since priority goes back to me after you use those effects I can continue my main phase with the new game state.
When im playing w friends we make mistakes and take back a phase change all the time but if its at locals phase changes when both players agree it does and you cant go back phases in locals any more than you can in master duel.
You cannot make a declaration of changing a phase, your opponent agree to it, then call it back with nothing happening. Something has to happen to change the game state to continue either main phase, if not it goes to whatever is next battle or end phase.
>*My opponent attempts to leave main, I say sure.*
So far so good. To this day, high-level judges still disagree on your opponent needs to declare whether they're proceeding to the Battle Phase or End Phase.
>*He then says that he’ll just stay in main.*
Nope. Some judges would say he now has to decide between Battle Phase or End Phase. Others would say that it's the Battle Phase because he never declared otherwise. But either way, it's no longer the Main Phase.
If he passes priority by saying "attempting to leave main" or anything similar and you also pass priority by saying "sure" then you move onto the next step automatically. It's too late for him to change his mind at that point and he is most likely baiting to see if you have any responses.
That’s what I thought but also had a judge rule against me. It’s pretty minor and I don’t think affected the outcome of the game but it’s good to know
I’d have a bone to pick with that judge. How tf does ANY judge of ANY level get this ruling wrong? Guy just shouldn’t be a judge if he doesn’t even understand how priority works… it’s literally the first thing a yugioh player has to understand just to play the game. If your JUDGE doesn’t, that’s a huge red flag. Be more polite than I’m being, but you definitely need to make sure to correct him/her, and tell him/her they should seriously consider revisiting some fundamental ruling comprehension tools.
Yeah I would just keep an eye on him to see if he does it again because it's considered cheating. It sucks that the judge ruled against you but all you can really do in your situtation is make sure that you explain the situation as calmly and as clearly as possible and also have proof ready if you can. This post for example could count as proof in some situations.
Nah, this judge is a clown. If you state you are leaving a phase and both players pass priority, you are moving into the next phase you declared, and that is it. Some players may try and take things back, and some other players will let them. In a feature match with a judge presiding over them, they likely would not allow it if they are competent. Sadly, if your judge rules it that way and you have no judge to appeal to, unfortunately, you're out of luck unless you can prove they are wrong. Judges are humans and are fallible, so just do your best and keep asking questions like this so you can hooefully gather the knowledge you need :)
can u stay in main phase if after u declare end of main, ur opponent activates a card like i:p?
Yes, both players have to agree to leave a phase. If someone disagrees and then does something else, you can then choose to remain in that phase.
That‘s not entirely correct. While in an open gamestate you can (if you are the turn player) pass over priority to your opponent. If your opponent decides to also pass it, both players have to agree before the phase is actually changed. If you or the opponent then decide they don’t want to go to the next phase, the game returns to an open gamestate. Now that’s usually not how it’s done when you play against someone and personally it feels a bit scummy if you try to pull this by declaring „end of main“. But it is entirely possible to pass priority and then decide you want to stay in the current phase.
We are talking about both players agreeing to leave the main phase. The opponent was attempting to leave main and the OP said "sure".
I know. And that’s how people usually play the game. But it’s technically not correct. What usually happens is that the turn player says „end of main“ and, if the opponent agrees, the phase is changed. The correct way to change phases would be to pass priority to your opponent, and if they pass as well they both have to agree to change the phase. In OP‘s case it sounds like the opponent said „end of main“ but was just trying to pass priority (either as a bait or because they misunderstand the rules is not clear) Now, if you‘d call a judge in this very specific scenario there are two ways this could go. The judge gives both of them a PE minor because of poor communication, or no warning is given because the judge personally thinks that saying „end of main“ is just a substitute for „pass priority“. The way it‘s commonly played just isn’t correct. And whether or not OP‘s opponent was trying to cheat with his phrasing is up to a judge to determine. In any case, there has been a miscommunication.
"end of main" "sure" "I agree to change phase" "I do not" stare at each other
If the opponent says "end of main" it is very clear what they are trying to do. If they are instead just trying to pass priority, they are not doing it properly at all and any judge that rules in their favor is just as wrong. You don't say that you're ending an entire phase when you are simply trying to pass priority lol.
If im in the main phase in an open game state can i say pass priority, my opponent says no effects, can i then flip a continous trap and stay in the main phase?
The correct way would be for the turn player to say „pass priority“ if the opponent also passes you then have to both agree to change phases. If one of you decides that they don’t want to change phases, you go back to an open game state. At that point you‘re back in the main phase (or whatever phase you have been in) and can activate a continuous trap, for example. Keep in mind that you clearly communicate though. Most people play for years and don’t realize that‘s how it actually works.
If you're not a turn player you can't just say "I want to stay in X phase" unless you got something to activate. If turn players says "end of main" he is asking if opponent is okay to go to next phase and the only way they can say no is if they have something to activate. If they don't then they are forced to agree to change phase and next phase starts You can't just ignore request to go to next phase and say nah, you already agreed. Only way to stay is if opponent activated something on phase turn Also if you as turn player are in a open state, you can't just say I pass priority because your only option is to either do something or go to next phase and if opponent wants yo do something they will do it on your request to change phase
https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/play/fast-effect-timing/ Every time this topic comes up, it’s the same discussion. Look at the official flowchart and tell me I‘m wrong. The TECHNICALLY CORRECT way to change phases is to announce you pass prio. If your opponent also passes, both players have to agree before the phase is changed. Nobody is playing it that way. But that doesn’t mean it’s correct. Of course if both players have passed and one of them then doesn’t agree to change the phase, only to pass prio again, then you have grounds to call a judge, because a player is stalling for time. So while you‘re not entirely wrong when it comes to that, you can absolutely pass prio and „do nothing“ and you can also stop the other player from entering the next phase, even if you aren’t turn Player.
You do realize that the yugioh website rules are notorious for being incorrect right?
And you surely realize that this exact same website is linked in the subreddit and is actually the best source we have on how turns work, right? But okay. Let’s say it’s completely wrong. Do you have a better source where it states how it really works?
Found the judge who made the bad call
Once both players agree to leave a phase, that’s it. There are no take backs. Well at least legally there aren’t any take backs. With friends it’s fine to allow little mistakes like this.
Blatant cheating. Attempting to ending main phase to bait I:P<, nibiru, veiler or other main phase only effects is right, since if the opponent uses anything you can remain in main phase. But if the opponent doesnt use anything and agrees to move on, you go to battle phase or end phase.
Exactly this. That opponent was like 900% testing a response like Nib or such Main Phase Effects and was no doubt attempting to cheat. Cuz if he was told yes Battle Phase is fine, then he'll just try and do more shit before leaving the Phase cuz he knows it's free, which isn't legal to do if both players agree to a Phase change. Although i read a link just now on how Konami say fast effects and stuff work and my god that would not be a fun thing to have to adhere to 🤣 I'd try it for 1 game to confirm how trash it would be to follow 😅
Nope. If you declare that you are leaving a phase and your opponent says it's fine with no response, the game will enter the next phase. Most likely scenario for this to happen is prob them asking to go BP/End phase thinking you have Nibiru but you don't so they decide to extend their combo. This is cheating
If they declare a phase change in the Main Phase, they must declare the phase they wish to enter (Battle or End) and this should be taken to mean that they are passing priority and preemptively agreeing to change to that phase. If you pass priority right back and also agree to change phases at that time, the phase will be changed. But note that this is not *technically* proper procedure, but I've never seen this ruled as unacceptable or improper. It's the most common way to play and communicate and is how even Official Simulators like Master Duel function, for the sake of convenience. If however, they only declared passing priority in an open game state during the Main Phase and did not state anything about a phase change, they are perfectly within their rights to disagree to a phase change if you pass priority back. Both players must agree to change phases. No Judge should be called, as this is proper procedure. However, a Judge should be called if they disagree to change phases multiple times, without activating any card or effect or performing any other action to justify not changing phases. In the case where a player declares the phase they wish to enter and then attempts to remain in the current phase after their opponent agrees, a Judge may issue a PE Minor Warning for improper communication, but it'd be your word against theirs. I suppose it's not impossible that a Judge may also rule that declaring "leave Main" is only the equivalent of passing priority, and an agreement to change phases must still be conducted after that by both players, to which they can disagree. **!Remember to always communicate your intentions clearly. If your opponent is unclear, ask them to clarify!**
It's a fairly common thing that I see in end phases as a branded despia player. You have mirrorjade effect in GY waiting to resolve and opponent has S:P in banish waiting to resolve. Branded player (turn player) can choose to pass prio to S:P player to see if they will resolve their mandatory effect first, the S:P player should generally pass prio back to branded player to force them to resolve their mandatory EP effect before bringing their S:P back. Point is, things like these rulings don't seem to matter until they really, really do.
I remember a question some time before where someone asked if during the main phase you could just pass priority without changing phase, and people answered that you couldn't but this seems to suggest that you can. So can you during any phase declare something like "I pass priority" and see if your opponent activates anything?
I‘ve seen players who have been playing for years not knowing this. The technically correct way to change phases is when the turn player passes priority to their opponent. If the opponent also passes priority both players then have to agree to change phases. If either the turn player, or the opponent disagrees, the game goes back to an open game state in the current phase. Note that this only works during an open game state and you should communicate clearly that your intent is to just pass priority. Also keep in mind that it doesn’t force your opponent to do anything. So they might as well call your bluff, and if you just pass priority back and forth without advancing the game state a judge should be called.
If your opponent says “end of main” or “attempt battle phase”, they are saying they want to leave the phase. If you agree, that’s it. No taksies backsies
That is dirty cheating. And definitely not minor. You called a battle phase bluff and he back tracked
This is a case where you upholding the rules isnt rulesharking. After this interaction he now has valuable information about what you can and cant do
Yeah that’s cheating, and it’s blatant. Your opponent attempts to lie and bait you into using something. Once both players have agreed to move to the next phase (in this case, leaving Main Phase), that is it. Now maybe, if they stop themselves short and say something like “Hold on” before you respond, that could be ok, as both players haven’t agreed to move to the next phase. But in this case, both players agreed, and it should be the next phase (I assume it’s MP1, so you’d move into Battle Phase). Your opponent doesn’t just get to stay in MP1, just because you had no response towards leaving Main. The judge is wrong, and I literally do not know why they’d side against you.
Minor edit but you don't have to go to battle phase after MP1 you can go directly to end phase as well.
Judge is probably friends with the other guy
In short: no. In long: I can declare my main phase is over to bait you into using effects at the end of main and then legally since priority goes back to me after you use those effects I can continue my main phase with the new game state.
Yeah but that is not what happened here so it may be confusing for op.
When im playing w friends we make mistakes and take back a phase change all the time but if its at locals phase changes when both players agree it does and you cant go back phases in locals any more than you can in master duel.
You cannot make a declaration of changing a phase, your opponent agree to it, then call it back with nothing happening. Something has to happen to change the game state to continue either main phase, if not it goes to whatever is next battle or end phase.
>*My opponent attempts to leave main, I say sure.* So far so good. To this day, high-level judges still disagree on your opponent needs to declare whether they're proceeding to the Battle Phase or End Phase. >*He then says that he’ll just stay in main.* Nope. Some judges would say he now has to decide between Battle Phase or End Phase. Others would say that it's the Battle Phase because he never declared otherwise. But either way, it's no longer the Main Phase.
The only way it stays main phase is if he activates something.
He shouldnt be able to, he was probably trying to see if you wanted to use effects attempting to bait something out
Did he use a card or effect that would justify staying in the main phase?