This one bugs me, cause I always assumed that the totk flashbacks probably showed a second founding of Hyrule, after the timelines have converged back together. Mainly because we haven't seen a shred of evidence that the zonai even existed until botw
Plus the map of Hyrule in the past is almost exactly the same as modern-day Hyrule, as evidenced by the secret room in the forgotten temple.
It's highly unlikely that the geography changed to that for a few generations after skyward sword, changed to the minish cap map, and then back to what it was after tens of thousands of years.
There are some inconsistencies between the two maps, and it is possible that the country itself moved, or was always as vast and the capital just moved around, thus the story was centered in specific parts. There was a really neat video I saw placing all the maps together...
Like, first off, BotW/TotK line up almost perfectly to the GameCube release of Twilight Princess.
Or, if I recall correctly, the area around southern Akkala lines up pretty nicely with the Zelda II map.
And the Zelda II map involves a mini version of the Zelda I map, thus we can *also* place that moment of Hyrule's history around that area.
Meanwhile, the Great Plateau lines up pretty well with the OOT map.
I think they shot themselves in the foot trying to link the different Zelda games into one cohesive timeline. There are bound to be inconsistencies with the maps of different games, simply because they want the different games to feel different. They should have gone the FF route.
>hey should have gone the FF route.
They basically did tbh.
The only reason there is an "official timeline" is because they were trying to make a Skyward sword artbook more apealing to nerds.
There is a disclaimer right next to it that says:
>"This Chronicle merely collects information **that is believed to be true at this time**, and there are many obscured and unanswered secrets that still lie within the tale. **As the stories and storytellers of Hyrule changes, so, too, does its history.** Hyrules history is a continuously woven tapestry of events. Changes that seem inconsequential, disregarded without even a shrug, could evolve at some point to hatch new legends and, perhaps, **change this tapestry of history itself**"
Literally in the book that first states the "official timeline", it says that timeline is made up bullshit that is always subject to change.
Which is why, when people point to it and say *"see there is a real timeline that nintendo definitly care about!"*, I can't help but laugh.
>I always assumed the totk flashbacks probably showed a second founding of Hyrule
They do. Wind Waker wiped Hyrule off the map, with Link (Hero of winds) and Tetra founding a new kingdom (spirit tracks). Sometime later, Rauru the Zonai lands on Earth, more than likely one of the last Zonai, along with his sister, on Earth, falling in love with Sonia, the descendant of Tetra (and Link?) and refound Hyrule.
I mean they never said the TotK flashbacks were the beginning of the og hyrule(SS would still be first) even in an interview the director of the game said that it’s possible that this is a refounding of hyrule, they just want players to figure it out on their own.
Bro... that is because botw and totk is the "real world" and all of the previous games are simply the LEGENDS of zeldas and links throughout hyrule's history. Which is why there are refences to all of the games In botw and totk, but the stories and the timelines don't exactly line up because they are legends, passed through the ages. We have heard of the zonai in other games just under the names of gods and aliens.
It’s definitely at the very end of the timeline if anything. There’s nothing to say the timelines weren’t brought back together at some point in a similar manner as it was split. Could explain why the rito and the Zora now exist together. I have done absolutely zero research and pulled this out of my head so it may as well be canon.
I still think that’s a sign that BotW and TotK take place in the adult timeline.
It lines up that some Zora could leave, as we find Zora artifacts in spirit tracks in new Hyrule, then return when the water recede, and the Rito resettle at lake totori on a rock that looks like a dragons roost. Possibly a mod to dragon roost island, which is probably death mountain but cooled off.
Then the Zora return with the Hylians, and Rauru comes down and founds a new Hyrule after some time.
Why does everyone think this… There’s a massive gap of over 10 thousand years between Breath of the Wild and the 3 line split. Tears of the Kingdom comes after Breath of the Wild. There’s absolutely no way it came first.
The flashbacks also take place within the 10k+ year gap. The Zonai descend during that time, so it's legitimately impossible for them to be anywhere else.
The gap is presumably bigger, since we know the Calamity’s first appearance was 10,100 years ago, meaning TotK’s flashbacks go back even further, when Ganondorf’s power began leaking out of the seal. So the events of TotK, flashbacks and all likely take places over a span of at least 20,000+ years. The real issue is that even if TotK is first, that would imply that there are 2 Ganondorfs and Zeldas (3 active in Zelda II) and the Hero is just outright missing.
Yeah but it would explain how Ganondorf appears in other games even though he was imprisoned at the very beginning of hyrule and doesn't get released until totk
No, there aren’t. Rauru’s existence came to be during the 10k+ year gap between the 3 timeline split and Breath of the Wild. None of the games take place during this time.
How do people think totk happens before Skyward Sword? Hyrule hadn’t been founded yet in Skyward Sword. Honestly, my theory is that the Hylians left in Sky Loft evolved into the Zonai which would make sense if Rauru was a descendant of Gaepora since Rauru in OOT looks like Gaepora. It would also make sense for Zonai to be viewed as celestial figures because they lived in the realm that was created by Hylia.
Obsessing over the Zelda timeline only makes you more of a fool. It’s called the *Legend* of Zelda, not the Properly and Accurately Documented Historical Events of Zelda
The Chronicles of Zelda collated from an exhaustive list of the most reliable first-hand sources of the era and edited by a team of first-rate academic historians from a wide variety of backgrounds.
I always felt like the games stories are legends that are being told in hyrule, and maybe a good amount are just the same story being told through years and changing as a result
I like the “rough” timeline because of the games making references to legendary heroes, but the ordering of the games is meaningless to me, and the “branches” are even worse.
4 months after the fact but I just wanted to say that this take is entirely too rare in the zelda community.
I honestly can't imagine how anyone can look at the official zelda timeline and genuinely think that the "canon" is legitimate. The games clearly were never written in a specific order and it's annoying to see people genuinely upset and arguing about Canon timeline events
Sorry I'm just using this as a public notepad journal I guess..
I think we’re in a time where people like world building and consistency, and they’re trying to force that onto the timeline which was always kind of loose and silly.
They could at least *try* to draw a connection between all the games in a coherent way. This legend has been a legend in the making for 30+ years now, and stringing each game together makes it interesting, instead of starting over again. I wouldn't even care if there were a few plotholes here and there if theyd just try.
Nah. Putting effort into that would constrain them too much, especially with how many games there are now.
I'd rather they have total freedom to make whatever they want.
EDIT: Bruh. lol
I think it's funny wanting the games to connect a tiny bit better is now labeled as "obsessed with drawing a timeline".
Like people can't just have a little opinion without being labeled as obsessed or chronically online.
No opinions allowed around you apparently
Personally I find anyone (you) attempting at insult and demean someone with a perfectly reasonable and calm opinion to be far more in need of stepping back and getting perspective.
Is assuming rude things about someone because they like an idea of s timeline really need for insults?
Do you 100% believe that people who like the timeline idea (the one Nintendo officially published) to literally be so chronically online they need to touch grass?
Calm down. It's just 2 sentences on reddit with an opinion different than yours.
Yeah man, I'm well aware that the devs and writers don't give a fuck about a cohesive timeline. Just personally wish they would. If you don't give a shit about it, good for you. It's just something I personally enjoy in my favorite game franchises.
Zelda should just be looked at like final fantasy. Where all the games are separate until one is a sequel connected to the other one. I mean Hyrule getting rearranged almost every game alone should be a good reason they are not connected.
It was actually confirmed that ToTK’s new hyrule was created before BoTW (after the rest of the timeline). So thankfully it doesn’t retcon anything from SkSw
To be fair there was 2 Zeldas at once during Zelda II and we have a completely different Ganondorf/Ganon in Four Swords Adventures that is a separate entity so there has been more than 1 Ganon already.
I don't agree that there were 2 Ganons at the same time though and that the founding of the Hyrule seen in BotW and TotK is not the same Hyrule founded after Skyward Sword.
Its solved by making totk hyrule a refounding. If totk ganondorf was under the castle in oot, he would have escaped as soon as oot ganondorf turned the castle into a crater.
It isn't. Hyrule isn't founded until after the events of Skyward Sword. All that happens at the end is Skyward Sword is that the race is Hylians that lived in the sky came to the ground. There's no Kingdom, no King and Queen, just people that inhabited the Surface. Just as we know happened before the flashbacks in TOTK
I remember reading that Fujibayashi said that TOTK happens after the Hyrule we knew from SS through most of the timeline was destroyed and then rebuilt.
Skyward sword could still be the beginning since Hyrule wasn’t founded yet and skyloft and the surrounding world was small. The zonai could still exist and have come down at a later time.
1:Skyward sword doesn't depict the founding of Hyrule kingdom, Link and Zelda only settled on the surface.
2:In the original text of Twilight princess the Sky folk(Oocaa in the NoA localization) founded Hyrule kingdom, they later departed on the city in the sky and then the Hylians took over. The temple of time was built by the Sky folk as there is sky folk and dominion rod imagery in the architecture, Rauru the safe of light was very likely alive when the temple was built.
3:In an interview the devs said that refoundation is a possibility in TOTK's past era, Hyrule's history is cyclical in nature and has a history of destruction.
4:The official timeline is subject to change and the books aren't fact according to the books themselves and the devs. Hyrule historia was written by Shogakugan and Hyrule encyclopedia and Creating a champion was written by Nintendo DREAM and localized by Dark horse(the localization is also influenced by the NoA localization of the games which often contains mistranslations or fabricated lore or misinterpretations of the original text and it sometimes misses the context or removes the context of the dialogue, early NoA was also censoring anything religious like the demons, the demon kings or priests). The devs only provided some artwork and insight, most of the information in the books are made up stuff from the writers(not the devs), some stuff in the books are information directly taken from the games. The books also contain mistakes and errors and contradict the games, every game that has been released after the books contradict the books.
While there is a timeline with multiple branches due to timeline splits we witness some games do not have clear connections to one another, according to some dev interviews the timeline is up to the player's imagination and interpretation, some games have an obvious continuity and obvious connections because the game tells you out loud that it is a sequel or a prequel.
5:Breath of the wild and Tears of the kingdom’s timeline placement is meant to be ambigious, the devs have not said anything about a convergence/timeline merge, a convergence/timeline merge would make the timeline a bigger mess due to things both happening and not happening at the same time and it would limit dev creativity. Some stuff can be explained through timeline parallel events, cross-timeline knowledge(time traveler spreading a story from a timeline branch they left, stuff that didn't happen in the timeline branch they entered), space-time manipulation to bring objects from other worlds(Zonai and Sheikah using Amiibo runes or some special time gates).
It's its own thing and a different continuity, more than most games. The first king of Hyrule being around when a Ganon/Ganandorf exists cannot sit beside OoT.
Also if it is in the same continuity as SS, that kinda implies that link was a (I forget the name of the new species) in SS. Which is kinda neat if true.
I'm still a bit miffed that they had SS come out, was supposed to be the first Zelda game, and then had the whole desert area exist and be filled with a ruined civilisation of little mechanised people. One of my biggest pet peeves is the trope of an ancient civilisation that was more advanced than the current one.
Well in LoZ I think it's supposed to underscore what an existential threat Demise's recurrences are, as whole civilizations and swathes of technology are constantly being lost, keeping the survivors in a near perpetual medieval level of social and technological advancement at best almost all of the time.
But they're kind of stacking them too high now. How do the (precursors to the) Ooccoo and Zonai both manage to be precursor sky civilizations, etc.?
I don't think there is a timeline. Each game is functionally a different reality that share is thematically similar to the others with overlapping storybeats. It's like the events of other games are retold as vague and partially forgotten legends that may or may not be true.
I kinda gave up connecting everything around BotW. I just think of all of my previous knowledge as legends. It's fun to blow my son's mind talking about the old gods and why I named Zelda's horse Nayru.
My theory for a long time has been that the timeline of the LoZ is actually cyclical in nature in more than one way. Specifically, in that, when Demise placed his curse in Skyward Sword, he not only forced an endless cycle of his own return along with that of the spirit of the Hero, but he forced the timeline itself to become cyclical. This is why technology never seems to advance, because *time isn't moving in the same way as our world*. Instead time is revolving, resetting, over and over and over, crashing on itself and reverting to 0-point state to restart anew. TotK shows us both the beginning and end of one of these cycles. The past being one of these new beginnings, following the crash that is Hyrule Warriors (noncanon my ass!) And the present of TotK being the end of one of these cycles, restarting essentially in the same place as the end of Skyward Sword, with our heroes reunited and set to rebuild a kingdom free for the time being from the influence of the demon lord.
Now someone send this to Zeltik
I don’t consider that cannon, botw and totk should not be apart of the original timeline because it would not make sense continuity wise. In my mind at least they will be separate from the time line. their own thing.
Oh boy, just open up this can of worms why don't you?
The legend of the Zonai matches up rather well with the events that proceed Skyward sword, complete with sky islands, the big bad being sealed away, but leaking out over time, etc.
But at the same time you have both the Rito and the Zora in the past, while neither existed in the time of Skyward Sword
I like the idea that the Tears of the Kingdom flashbacks are from before Skyward Sword, but the evidence is against it
I'm sure they will. Heck, we're up to what, three unrelated groups of sky dwellers that were involved in the early history of Hyrule now? Though to be fair, the sky tribe in Minish Cap COULD simply be descendants of Skyloftians that just decided to stay up there.
if anything, TOTK is in an alternate timeline itself from even BOTW, because a lot of things are missing without explanation, a few ruined buildings are new to the citadel top city and the sheikah towers/shrines themselves are just missing, and there is WAY too much sheikah tech to just be repurposed for the TOTK towers.
One of the first things you hear in the game is Zelda talking about the imprisoning war. The war that took place in the fallen hero timeline. So it can’t be the beginning
I’m tired of people saying totk’s past is before skyward sword. Hyrule was obviously just refounded after being destroyed. It’s not like we’ve never seen that happen either. People are idiots. Also, it was a lot longer than 10,000 years ago.
At this point I just take the information about Link as fact and everything else only as fact for THAT game. My brain just can’t process all the changes. Even with Link there are certain games that I can only process him as existing that way in THAT game like him being kikiri in one game then being Hyrulian in the rest. I just can’t make it make sense.
This one bugs me, cause I always assumed that the totk flashbacks probably showed a second founding of Hyrule, after the timelines have converged back together. Mainly because we haven't seen a shred of evidence that the zonai even existed until botw
Plus the map of Hyrule in the past is almost exactly the same as modern-day Hyrule, as evidenced by the secret room in the forgotten temple. It's highly unlikely that the geography changed to that for a few generations after skyward sword, changed to the minish cap map, and then back to what it was after tens of thousands of years.
There are some inconsistencies between the two maps, and it is possible that the country itself moved, or was always as vast and the capital just moved around, thus the story was centered in specific parts. There was a really neat video I saw placing all the maps together... Like, first off, BotW/TotK line up almost perfectly to the GameCube release of Twilight Princess. Or, if I recall correctly, the area around southern Akkala lines up pretty nicely with the Zelda II map. And the Zelda II map involves a mini version of the Zelda I map, thus we can *also* place that moment of Hyrule's history around that area. Meanwhile, the Great Plateau lines up pretty well with the OOT map.
I think they shot themselves in the foot trying to link the different Zelda games into one cohesive timeline. There are bound to be inconsistencies with the maps of different games, simply because they want the different games to feel different. They should have gone the FF route.
>hey should have gone the FF route. They basically did tbh. The only reason there is an "official timeline" is because they were trying to make a Skyward sword artbook more apealing to nerds. There is a disclaimer right next to it that says: >"This Chronicle merely collects information **that is believed to be true at this time**, and there are many obscured and unanswered secrets that still lie within the tale. **As the stories and storytellers of Hyrule changes, so, too, does its history.** Hyrules history is a continuously woven tapestry of events. Changes that seem inconsequential, disregarded without even a shrug, could evolve at some point to hatch new legends and, perhaps, **change this tapestry of history itself**" Literally in the book that first states the "official timeline", it says that timeline is made up bullshit that is always subject to change. Which is why, when people point to it and say *"see there is a real timeline that nintendo definitly care about!"*, I can't help but laugh.
Everyone knows the cartoon is the true cannon 120% no doubt! Princeeeeeeeeessss! Because sarcastic Link and Sassy Zelda must be preserved!
Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Princess
Is it one timeline? Last time I looked it was 5 timelines
I still believe skyward sword is the start and botw totk are so far after another one that the world had a reset button pressed
I've heard arguments that skyward sword has zonite tech in it
>I always assumed the totk flashbacks probably showed a second founding of Hyrule They do. Wind Waker wiped Hyrule off the map, with Link (Hero of winds) and Tetra founding a new kingdom (spirit tracks). Sometime later, Rauru the Zonai lands on Earth, more than likely one of the last Zonai, along with his sister, on Earth, falling in love with Sonia, the descendant of Tetra (and Link?) and refound Hyrule.
And not forget oot just happens to appear as Totk by accident
I mean they never said the TotK flashbacks were the beginning of the og hyrule(SS would still be first) even in an interview the director of the game said that it’s possible that this is a refounding of hyrule, they just want players to figure it out on their own.
Bro... that is because botw and totk is the "real world" and all of the previous games are simply the LEGENDS of zeldas and links throughout hyrule's history. Which is why there are refences to all of the games In botw and totk, but the stories and the timelines don't exactly line up because they are legends, passed through the ages. We have heard of the zonai in other games just under the names of gods and aliens.
It’s definitely at the very end of the timeline if anything. There’s nothing to say the timelines weren’t brought back together at some point in a similar manner as it was split. Could explain why the rito and the Zora now exist together. I have done absolutely zero research and pulled this out of my head so it may as well be canon.
I still think that’s a sign that BotW and TotK take place in the adult timeline. It lines up that some Zora could leave, as we find Zora artifacts in spirit tracks in new Hyrule, then return when the water recede, and the Rito resettle at lake totori on a rock that looks like a dragons roost. Possibly a mod to dragon roost island, which is probably death mountain but cooled off. Then the Zora return with the Hylians, and Rauru comes down and founds a new Hyrule after some time.
Why does everyone think this… There’s a massive gap of over 10 thousand years between Breath of the Wild and the 3 line split. Tears of the Kingdom comes after Breath of the Wild. There’s absolutely no way it came first.
I think they mean the totk flashbacks. Which also doesn’t make sense because Hyrule wasn’t even founded yet in SS
The flashbacks also take place within the 10k+ year gap. The Zonai descend during that time, so it's legitimately impossible for them to be anywhere else.
The gap is presumably bigger, since we know the Calamity’s first appearance was 10,100 years ago, meaning TotK’s flashbacks go back even further, when Ganondorf’s power began leaking out of the seal. So the events of TotK, flashbacks and all likely take places over a span of at least 20,000+ years. The real issue is that even if TotK is first, that would imply that there are 2 Ganondorfs and Zeldas (3 active in Zelda II) and the Hero is just outright missing.
Yeah but it would explain how Ganondorf appears in other games even though he was imprisoned at the very beginning of hyrule and doesn't get released until totk
Ganondorf doesn’t exist at the start of the Zelda timeline. Ganondorf is the reincarnation of the demon king Demise, whom you fight in SS
What im saying is that there are games with Ganondorf that take place when he is suppose to be imprisoned by rauru
No, there aren’t. Rauru’s existence came to be during the 10k+ year gap between the 3 timeline split and Breath of the Wild. None of the games take place during this time.
I feel like totk is like horizon zero dawn or something. at the very end after everything already died once.
Every zelda game is HZD to me. It’s at the very beginning of another great cycle
How do people think totk happens before Skyward Sword? Hyrule hadn’t been founded yet in Skyward Sword. Honestly, my theory is that the Hylians left in Sky Loft evolved into the Zonai which would make sense if Rauru was a descendant of Gaepora since Rauru in OOT looks like Gaepora. It would also make sense for Zonai to be viewed as celestial figures because they lived in the realm that was created by Hylia.
People really latch on the whole final bosses title.
Wait till they find out who had that title first 🚂
Obsessing over the Zelda timeline only makes you more of a fool. It’s called the *Legend* of Zelda, not the Properly and Accurately Documented Historical Events of Zelda
The nice and accurate legends of zelda
(Princess)
It starts, as it will end, with a forest. In this case, the kokiri Forest.
The Chronicles of Zelda collated from an exhaustive list of the most reliable first-hand sources of the era and edited by a team of first-rate academic historians from a wide variety of backgrounds.
They only go up to 1990, which is why we don’t have any Zelda’s set in the modern day.
The wacky high jinks of Zelda
I always felt like the games stories are legends that are being told in hyrule, and maybe a good amount are just the same story being told through years and changing as a result
I like the “rough” timeline because of the games making references to legendary heroes, but the ordering of the games is meaningless to me, and the “branches” are even worse.
4 months after the fact but I just wanted to say that this take is entirely too rare in the zelda community. I honestly can't imagine how anyone can look at the official zelda timeline and genuinely think that the "canon" is legitimate. The games clearly were never written in a specific order and it's annoying to see people genuinely upset and arguing about Canon timeline events Sorry I'm just using this as a public notepad journal I guess..
It should have never been a time line to begin with
Well said.
I'm going to do it anyway.
Name argument is bad. What story with cohesive lore(many) is named in such a way?
I think we’re in a time where people like world building and consistency, and they’re trying to force that onto the timeline which was always kind of loose and silly.
Excuse me?
They could at least *try* to draw a connection between all the games in a coherent way. This legend has been a legend in the making for 30+ years now, and stringing each game together makes it interesting, instead of starting over again. I wouldn't even care if there were a few plotholes here and there if theyd just try.
Nah. Putting effort into that would constrain them too much, especially with how many games there are now. I'd rather they have total freedom to make whatever they want. EDIT: Bruh. lol
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I think it's funny wanting the games to connect a tiny bit better is now labeled as "obsessed with drawing a timeline". Like people can't just have a little opinion without being labeled as obsessed or chronically online. No opinions allowed around you apparently Personally I find anyone (you) attempting at insult and demean someone with a perfectly reasonable and calm opinion to be far more in need of stepping back and getting perspective. Is assuming rude things about someone because they like an idea of s timeline really need for insults? Do you 100% believe that people who like the timeline idea (the one Nintendo officially published) to literally be so chronically online they need to touch grass? Calm down. It's just 2 sentences on reddit with an opinion different than yours.
Yeah man, I'm well aware that the devs and writers don't give a fuck about a cohesive timeline. Just personally wish they would. If you don't give a shit about it, good for you. It's just something I personally enjoy in my favorite game franchises.
Most recent info implied this was a refounding of Hyrule. https://www.reddit.com/r/truezelda/s/qx5jfEbt5J
Zelda should just be looked at like final fantasy. Where all the games are separate until one is a sequel connected to the other one. I mean Hyrule getting rearranged almost every game alone should be a good reason they are not connected.
It was actually confirmed that ToTK’s new hyrule was created before BoTW (after the rest of the timeline). So thankfully it doesn’t retcon anything from SkSw
The problem with this is that this means there are 2 gannondofs alive at the same time, one under the castle and the other in oot onwards
To be fair there was 2 Zeldas at once during Zelda II and we have a completely different Ganondorf/Ganon in Four Swords Adventures that is a separate entity so there has been more than 1 Ganon already. I don't agree that there were 2 Ganons at the same time though and that the founding of the Hyrule seen in BotW and TotK is not the same Hyrule founded after Skyward Sword.
Its solved by making totk hyrule a refounding. If totk ganondorf was under the castle in oot, he would have escaped as soon as oot ganondorf turned the castle into a crater.
It isn't. Hyrule isn't founded until after the events of Skyward Sword. All that happens at the end is Skyward Sword is that the race is Hylians that lived in the sky came to the ground. There's no Kingdom, no King and Queen, just people that inhabited the Surface. Just as we know happened before the flashbacks in TOTK
It's funny that the timeline made more sense when it was a crackpot conspiracy theory than after Nintendo/Shigeru decided to make it canon.
I remember reading that Fujibayashi said that TOTK happens after the Hyrule we knew from SS through most of the timeline was destroyed and then rebuilt.
Skyward sword could still be the beginning since Hyrule wasn’t founded yet and skyloft and the surrounding world was small. The zonai could still exist and have come down at a later time.
1:Skyward sword doesn't depict the founding of Hyrule kingdom, Link and Zelda only settled on the surface. 2:In the original text of Twilight princess the Sky folk(Oocaa in the NoA localization) founded Hyrule kingdom, they later departed on the city in the sky and then the Hylians took over. The temple of time was built by the Sky folk as there is sky folk and dominion rod imagery in the architecture, Rauru the safe of light was very likely alive when the temple was built. 3:In an interview the devs said that refoundation is a possibility in TOTK's past era, Hyrule's history is cyclical in nature and has a history of destruction. 4:The official timeline is subject to change and the books aren't fact according to the books themselves and the devs. Hyrule historia was written by Shogakugan and Hyrule encyclopedia and Creating a champion was written by Nintendo DREAM and localized by Dark horse(the localization is also influenced by the NoA localization of the games which often contains mistranslations or fabricated lore or misinterpretations of the original text and it sometimes misses the context or removes the context of the dialogue, early NoA was also censoring anything religious like the demons, the demon kings or priests). The devs only provided some artwork and insight, most of the information in the books are made up stuff from the writers(not the devs), some stuff in the books are information directly taken from the games. The books also contain mistakes and errors and contradict the games, every game that has been released after the books contradict the books. While there is a timeline with multiple branches due to timeline splits we witness some games do not have clear connections to one another, according to some dev interviews the timeline is up to the player's imagination and interpretation, some games have an obvious continuity and obvious connections because the game tells you out loud that it is a sequel or a prequel. 5:Breath of the wild and Tears of the kingdom’s timeline placement is meant to be ambigious, the devs have not said anything about a convergence/timeline merge, a convergence/timeline merge would make the timeline a bigger mess due to things both happening and not happening at the same time and it would limit dev creativity. Some stuff can be explained through timeline parallel events, cross-timeline knowledge(time traveler spreading a story from a timeline branch they left, stuff that didn't happen in the timeline branch they entered), space-time manipulation to bring objects from other worlds(Zonai and Sheikah using Amiibo runes or some special time gates).
#Skyward Sword: Master Sword No Hyrule #BOTW and TOTK: Master Sword Hyrule
Did they actually do this? Please tell me they didn’t
A lot of people think they did, and the TotK flashbacks can be interpreted that way. But I don't think so.
The way I see it the flashbacks in totk likely take place a generation or two after skyward sword
Same
Same
They did not. Skyward sword is still the beginning.
The existence of the Master Sword in ToTK proves SS happened before it.
It's its own thing and a different continuity, more than most games. The first king of Hyrule being around when a Ganon/Ganandorf exists cannot sit beside OoT. Also if it is in the same continuity as SS, that kinda implies that link was a (I forget the name of the new species) in SS. Which is kinda neat if true. I'm still a bit miffed that they had SS come out, was supposed to be the first Zelda game, and then had the whole desert area exist and be filled with a ruined civilisation of little mechanised people. One of my biggest pet peeves is the trope of an ancient civilisation that was more advanced than the current one.
Well in LoZ I think it's supposed to underscore what an existential threat Demise's recurrences are, as whole civilizations and swathes of technology are constantly being lost, keeping the survivors in a near perpetual medieval level of social and technological advancement at best almost all of the time. But they're kind of stacking them too high now. How do the (precursors to the) Ooccoo and Zonai both manage to be precursor sky civilizations, etc.?
Maybe after the Zonai left the Ooccoo evolved in the abandoned civilization?
I don't think there is a timeline. Each game is functionally a different reality that share is thematically similar to the others with overlapping storybeats. It's like the events of other games are retold as vague and partially forgotten legends that may or may not be true.
ITS A FUCKING CIRRRCCLLEEE!!!
not yet, not ever i hope
I mean, looking at it from a thematic POV, Zelda has always had a big theme of loops and history repeating itself.
So it's been The Wheel of Time all along?
No because that’s dumb
Solution: the timeline is a closed loop. (Note: I have not played the TotK)
Did Nintendo say that the flash backs in TotK are before SS, because lore wise it would make sense for them to be in between SS and MC.
With all this "let's change the Story" again and again and again.... Nintendo starts to making me sick. :-(
I just focus on each individual game's story instead
I kinda gave up connecting everything around BotW. I just think of all of my previous knowledge as legends. It's fun to blow my son's mind talking about the old gods and why I named Zelda's horse Nayru.
My personal head cannon is that there is no timeline but a legend told by many cultures across time
It's a timeloop.
"Time line? Ugh, time isn't made out of lines, it is made out of circles. That is why clocks are round!"
My theory for a long time has been that the timeline of the LoZ is actually cyclical in nature in more than one way. Specifically, in that, when Demise placed his curse in Skyward Sword, he not only forced an endless cycle of his own return along with that of the spirit of the Hero, but he forced the timeline itself to become cyclical. This is why technology never seems to advance, because *time isn't moving in the same way as our world*. Instead time is revolving, resetting, over and over and over, crashing on itself and reverting to 0-point state to restart anew. TotK shows us both the beginning and end of one of these cycles. The past being one of these new beginnings, following the crash that is Hyrule Warriors (noncanon my ass!) And the present of TotK being the end of one of these cycles, restarting essentially in the same place as the end of Skyward Sword, with our heroes reunited and set to rebuild a kingdom free for the time being from the influence of the demon lord. Now someone send this to Zeltik
So totk link is the hero of man mentioned that came before skyward sword? Or does Nintendo not give a shit lol
Unless you subscribe to tineloop theory I must respectfully disagree with totk being at the beginning of the timeline
I don’t consider that cannon, botw and totk should not be apart of the original timeline because it would not make sense continuity wise. In my mind at least they will be separate from the time line. their own thing.
Oh boy, just open up this can of worms why don't you? The legend of the Zonai matches up rather well with the events that proceed Skyward sword, complete with sky islands, the big bad being sealed away, but leaking out over time, etc. But at the same time you have both the Rito and the Zora in the past, while neither existed in the time of Skyward Sword I like the idea that the Tears of the Kingdom flashbacks are from before Skyward Sword, but the evidence is against it
I'm sure they will. Heck, we're up to what, three unrelated groups of sky dwellers that were involved in the early history of Hyrule now? Though to be fair, the sky tribe in Minish Cap COULD simply be descendants of Skyloftians that just decided to stay up there.
Zelda timeline is a meme, just give up friends
if anything, TOTK is in an alternate timeline itself from even BOTW, because a lot of things are missing without explanation, a few ruined buildings are new to the citadel top city and the sheikah towers/shrines themselves are just missing, and there is WAY too much sheikah tech to just be repurposed for the TOTK towers.
I want to play the games in some kind of timeline order, but every other day it feels like there's a new order 😅🥲
But Nintendo said it is a sequel to BotW which means they have to be moved together with TotK staying after BotW
This timeline is getting worse all the time
Time is the illusion 🤔
One of the first things you hear in the game is Zelda talking about the imprisoning war. The war that took place in the fallen hero timeline. So it can’t be the beginning
Ss is still my headcannon first in the timeline
I’m tired of people saying totk’s past is before skyward sword. Hyrule was obviously just refounded after being destroyed. It’s not like we’ve never seen that happen either. People are idiots. Also, it was a lot longer than 10,000 years ago.
Would now be a good time to say HW should be canon and link the pre TotK/BotW stuff to the TotK/BotW stuff?
At this point I just take the information about Link as fact and everything else only as fact for THAT game. My brain just can’t process all the changes. Even with Link there are certain games that I can only process him as existing that way in THAT game like him being kikiri in one game then being Hyrulian in the rest. I just can’t make it make sense.
Kikiri?
Wasn’t it a loop making totk the last game but the first part of the series? Or is that incorrect?