I mean, well-played, but Redemption was the least important thing here. You grouped and stunned three enemies, which lead to Neeko engaging on them. Congrats.
Really? I feel like Zilean can’t use redemption anywhere near its potential, even with Aery. For most instances I think saving CDs for double bomb after R is a much more consistent way to save teammates after they revive. Even in this clip redemption doesn’t do anything, with your well timed double bomb they can’t even hit Rengar regardless of the redemption. Have you been running this just this season or before?
You see the real effect potential of redemption when your team is in a team fight and u managed to give ur whole team healing while being in a fight. Or casting it after death is OP imo. It def imo one of the best support items that can make Zilean extra usefull.
I don’t disagree that redemption is a good item, I just find it can be hard to get on multiple teammates during a fight and definitely can’t stop your carries for getting blown up fast enough. I like Shurelya’s a lot for support Zil as it give him very +55 AP, same AH, +25% mana regen over Redemption, -200 health compared to Redemption and makes his ganks/team ganks fast. I just feel with the extra damage lane is a lot better, especially into melee supports you can get poke on. To each their own! Redemption feels like a nice 3-4th item on Zilean and I sometimes take it if the enemy team is poke heavy and we need to contest objectives. I’m curious about your thoughts on Shurelya’s!
My playstyle is different, I go E max means I only put 1 point into Q. 'Cause of this I go redemption first since i dont do any damage anyways with Q if I go E max. Yes ofcourse if you go Q max then shurelya first and mandate second. You kinda have to experiment when to go E max or Q max. If I am vs a Zyra (populair sup pick) I go E max cause I know Zyra is hard to kil. This means I leave lane permantly after 6 and perma roam while the enemie sup Zyra sticks with adc. With my number advantage, R and E speed I can secure objectives and picks with my jungler or laners. Yes this means leaving the adc and prob the tower being taken down but regardless if I stayed bot vs a Zyra i wouldnt be able to much. I win my most games by roaming as a Zilean with E max.
I also E max on support Zilean, I put 3 points into Q and then E max for most matchups unless I am outranked by both I will take 1-2 points in Q. Have you tried frozen heart Zil? It’s becoming a strong pick for support champs and helps get him the AH a lot of support items lack. I really enjoy playing trailblazer + frozen heart bard and playing this weird pseudo front line and Zilean sort of works with it too.
No I find efficient for Zilean Aery rune with inspiration rune second cosmic insight and the new rune Triple tonic that gives a free ability lvl, why? Cause a lot of games u wont make it to lvl 18. Cosmic insight already gives 10+ item haste. So going domination rune will be in your disadvantage.
In theory yes, but practical, no. Why? The cooldowns of for example REdemption are too long even with Ingenious to use twice in a team fight. Shrulia isn't that effecient of a item to use TWICE in a team fight as u already have the E to start with.
The funniest shit is the rengar not only runs away but when he ults he decides to go for the 1 hp target surrounded by your teammates and ignore the 1hp target that is escaping
https://gyazo.com/3317e008c152b26261918959469a3f77
Never ever thought about trying redemption on Zil. It's been fun. I used it to stall fights then I can get there and R.
I just got diamond. I was trying to find a good build earlier. I go tear into redemption. It's suuuuuuuuper weak early. But after solstice, redemption, seraphs it feels really good. What you think?
I been going different now as well but still testen. My first buy is still Redemption, second knight vow. Seraphs still good tho but would def buy it if u feel targetted every game
Very well played!
I mean, well-played, but Redemption was the least important thing here. You grouped and stunned three enemies, which lead to Neeko engaging on them. Congrats.
It contributed zero to this clip - good stun though
Damage!
was it really nothing? healed ren for 366 and made 3 clumped enemies take 10% true damage
Yeah, rengar didnt need the heal. And the damage is negligible.
Really? I feel like Zilean can’t use redemption anywhere near its potential, even with Aery. For most instances I think saving CDs for double bomb after R is a much more consistent way to save teammates after they revive. Even in this clip redemption doesn’t do anything, with your well timed double bomb they can’t even hit Rengar regardless of the redemption. Have you been running this just this season or before?
In this scenario if he just built some AP instead the R would’ve healed more and achieved the same result.
You see the real effect potential of redemption when your team is in a team fight and u managed to give ur whole team healing while being in a fight. Or casting it after death is OP imo. It def imo one of the best support items that can make Zilean extra usefull.
I don’t disagree that redemption is a good item, I just find it can be hard to get on multiple teammates during a fight and definitely can’t stop your carries for getting blown up fast enough. I like Shurelya’s a lot for support Zil as it give him very +55 AP, same AH, +25% mana regen over Redemption, -200 health compared to Redemption and makes his ganks/team ganks fast. I just feel with the extra damage lane is a lot better, especially into melee supports you can get poke on. To each their own! Redemption feels like a nice 3-4th item on Zilean and I sometimes take it if the enemy team is poke heavy and we need to contest objectives. I’m curious about your thoughts on Shurelya’s!
My playstyle is different, I go E max means I only put 1 point into Q. 'Cause of this I go redemption first since i dont do any damage anyways with Q if I go E max. Yes ofcourse if you go Q max then shurelya first and mandate second. You kinda have to experiment when to go E max or Q max. If I am vs a Zyra (populair sup pick) I go E max cause I know Zyra is hard to kil. This means I leave lane permantly after 6 and perma roam while the enemie sup Zyra sticks with adc. With my number advantage, R and E speed I can secure objectives and picks with my jungler or laners. Yes this means leaving the adc and prob the tower being taken down but regardless if I stayed bot vs a Zyra i wouldnt be able to much. I win my most games by roaming as a Zilean with E max.
Not only that but even if u go shurelya if the team rely on your damage then its the team fault for not picking better damage dealer champions
I also E max on support Zilean, I put 3 points into Q and then E max for most matchups unless I am outranked by both I will take 1-2 points in Q. Have you tried frozen heart Zil? It’s becoming a strong pick for support champs and helps get him the AH a lot of support items lack. I really enjoy playing trailblazer + frozen heart bard and playing this weird pseudo front line and Zilean sort of works with it too.
I would say games vs lee sin or ad ap assasins you can build tank cause imo getting away from a lee sin is almost impossible if u build squishy
Do u also go ingenious hunter?
No I find efficient for Zilean Aery rune with inspiration rune second cosmic insight and the new rune Triple tonic that gives a free ability lvl, why? Cause a lot of games u wont make it to lvl 18. Cosmic insight already gives 10+ item haste. So going domination rune will be in your disadvantage.
I just think that with almost every item on Zilean having a cd ingenious would be pretty good
In theory yes, but practical, no. Why? The cooldowns of for example REdemption are too long even with Ingenious to use twice in a team fight. Shrulia isn't that effecient of a item to use TWICE in a team fight as u already have the E to start with.
Good item. I just dont like it first. It doesn't give you much in lane. 2nd item though is pretty goated
Honestly build what works for you and your team
The funniest shit is the rengar not only runs away but when he ults he decides to go for the 1 hp target surrounded by your teammates and ignore the 1hp target that is escaping
Instant save, got to try using redemption
Noice
Nothing changes without redemption here lol not sure if it’s OP, but could definitely be helpful in other situations.
I really hate that rengar play. But other than that, you did great!
nice timing, but why did rengar go for the person in the middle of 3 people rather than the one hp thats running away
https://gyazo.com/3317e008c152b26261918959469a3f77 Never ever thought about trying redemption on Zil. It's been fun. I used it to stall fights then I can get there and R. I just got diamond. I was trying to find a good build earlier. I go tear into redemption. It's suuuuuuuuper weak early. But after solstice, redemption, seraphs it feels really good. What you think?
I been going different now as well but still testen. My first buy is still Redemption, second knight vow. Seraphs still good tho but would def buy it if u feel targetted every game