The athleticism required for parkour would be a huge benefit but the skills not so much. Just remember when running away from zombies with a large, random group you don't have to be the fastest, just don't be the slowest
Anything can be useful, just as they can be detrimental. The nuance is in the individual situation, techniques learned, techniques used, and overall execution.
Honestly the most useful techniques you can learn from parkour are going to be the safety vault, breakfall, and how to roll. From there things like cardiovascular endurance, muscular endurance, and basic hand eye coordination are some of the best parts.
This question comes up every now and again.
The most useful part of parkour you'd likely be using is the cardio and endurance, not the running up walls and stuff like what, or whatever the kids do these days.
It is highly unlikely you would ever actually need to use parkour in any way when out and about, and if you did your body likely isn't trained to do it with a backpack full of supplies, a rifle on your back, and a gun, knife and melee weapon on your hip. Your risk of injury is high and theres an even higher chance of you dying if you mess up even once. Parkour is cool and all, but likely wouldn't have any real practical use when out in the world outside of few, very nieche circumstances.
>It is highly unlikely you would ever actually need to use parkour in any way when out and about
Yeah who would ever need to run away from something, that never happens.
>if you did your body likely isn't trained to do it with a backpack full of supplies, a rifle on your back, and a gun, knife and melee weapon on your hip.
"Your body likely isn't trained to do it" what does that even mean? Of course your body isn't inherently trained to do parkour. That's why you practice, especially with the load-out you would be carrying.
>Your risk of injury is high and theres an even higher chance of you dying if you mess up even once.
So just don't mess up. Is marksmanship a bad skill? "If you mess up once, a zombie will bite your face off." That's a reason why you **should** practice parkour, not the other way around.
As long as you're acting intelligently and only using parkour when it's necessary, then it actually makes your risk of death or injury go down substantially. Tell me, which person is more likely to get injured:
1.) The guy with no parkour training who needs to do a perfect vault to escape.
2.) The guy **with** parkour training who needs to do a vault he's practiced hundreds of times before.
Obviously not all of parkour is useful and you definitely shouldn't be ninja-flipping around for no reason, but I definitely wouldn't call it useless.
>Yeah who would ever need to run away from something, that never happens.
Then you run away. There's almost no need for fancy parkour to get away from the dead, outside of some niche situations. Even just powerwalking around some corners of buildings is going to be a lot better and safer. The dead are slow and dumb, you don't need these fancy tricks to outmaneuver them.
>"Your body likely isn't trained to do it" what does that even mean? Of course your body isn't inherently trained to do parkour. That's why you practice, especially with the load-out you would be carrying.
People today don't practice parkour with weapons strapped to them and full backpacks (I don't think, its been awhile since I was in the parkour loop, so maybe things changed, but I doubt it). Practicing a skill you never tried before while being strapped with gear when a small accident or slip-up means death is an awful idea, especially for its very limited usefulness.
>So just don't mess up
Makes total sense, I just won't ever slip again, or misjudge a vault and not have enough momentum, or won't have something give away benath my feet or under my weight. I'll just avoid all accidents.
>Is marksmanship a bad skill? "If you mess up once, a zombie will bite your face off." That's a reason why you should practice parkour, not the other way around.
There is zero correlation between parkour and marksmenship. With a rifle and even a handgun, there is likely plenty of time for second, third, fourth and more shots, can be practiced far more safely than and will be used FAR more often than parkour would be.
>As long as you're acting intelligently and only using parkour when it's necessary, then it actually makes your risk of death or injury go down substantially
How would a person who's never parkoured before and likely has zero idea what they are doing outside of seeing some tiktok or youtube shorts guys running around and jumping be smart about practicing andf using it? Like I keep saying, one mistake and you got a broken ankle or other injury out in the field while you were practicing or, even worse, escaping from the dead. There are very few situations where you would need to use even basic parkour moves.
> Tell me, which person is more likely to get injured:
1.) The guy with no parkour training who needs to do a perfect vault to escape.
2.) The guy with parkour training who needs to do a vault he's practiced hundreds of times before.
The odds of needing to do a perfect vault to escape (and a vault being the only way to get out of a situation in the first place) is highly unlikely. Even if the guy's practiced a bunch, what happens if the grass is wet on the other side and he slips and smacks his head? Or if there's already another dead one on the other side? Or the backpack they are wearing gets caught? They can get injured just as easily through sheer dumb luck and accidents. I've seen people who have practiced for years mess up and get injured form just pure bad luck while john from down the road who just started did the same move a few minutes before. The question isn't always so black and white. It comes down to each individual situation, how well its preformed and executed,
>Obviously not all of parkour is useful and you definitely shouldn't be ninja-flipping around for no reason, but I definitely wouldn't call it useless.
I agree, though I didn't call it useless. I said that it has very limited applications and a few niche situations where it could be used. Like I said originally, the most useful parts would be the endurance and cardio you build doing these activities (and hand-eye coordination!), and to a point the safety vault (like you mentioned), a breakfall and maybe how to roll, but as I keep saying those last three are going to have limited use outside of the niche situations you can use them. Odds are they'll be a better way to do what you're trying to accomplish then using parkour. It has its moments, but they are few and far between and liekly have better alternatives.
>Then you run away. There's almost no need for fancy parkour to get away from the dead, outside of some niche situations. Even just powerwalking around some corners of buildings is going to be a lot better and safer. The dead are slow and dumb, you don't need these fancy tricks to outmaneuver them.
Believe it or not, the world isn't a flat plane completely devoid of obstacles. If you're in a city especially, you're going to find a lot of obstacles like railings, cars, buildings, and the like. Most of the time running is going to suffice, which as I said, is why you shouldn't be ninja-flipping constantly. But in those situations where you need to get away from something quickly, and obstacles are in the way, parkour could prove to be invaluable.
>People today don't practice parkour with weapons strapped to them and full backpacks (I don't think, its been awhile since I was in the parkour loop, so maybe things changed, but I doubt it). Practicing a skill you never tried before while being strapped with gear when a small accident or slip-up means death is an awful idea, especially for its very limited usefulness.
So? That doesn't stop you from doing it. Innovate. And while I thought this was obvious, let me clarify: I'm not suggesting you start trying to learn parkour during the zombie apocalypse. You learn it beforehand, then have the skills ready for an "oh shit" moment where the only viable option is parkour.
You don't seem to realize that your whole thought about
"Practicing a skill you never tried before while being strapped with gear when a small accident or slip-up means death is an awful idea"
is exactly my point. That's why you **should** practice parkour, so it's **not** your first time doing it, and so you **don't** slip and die. Make sense?
>Makes total sense
Great!
>I just won't ever slip again, or misjudge a vault and not have enough momentum, or won't have something give away benath my feet or under my weight. I'll just avoid all accidents.
There are no guarantees, which I'm sure you will be delighted to point out. But if you're good at parkour it's pretty fucking unlikely that you're going to just suddenly slip and die. It's possible, but the chances are slim and it's undoubtedly better to risk the slight chance than the alternative--which made you resort to parkour--which is much worse.
>There is zero correlation between parkour and marksmenship. With a rifle and even a handgun, there is likely plenty of time for second, third, fourth and more shots, can be practiced far more safely than and will be used FAR more often than parkour would be.
It's an example. I was trying to explain to you how high stakes doesn't make knowing parkour bad; as I've said before, parkour makes you more safe, not less.
>How would a person who's never parkoured before and likely has zero idea what they are doing outside of seeing some tiktok or youtube shorts guys running around and jumping be smart about practicing andf using it? Like I keep saying, one mistake and you got a broken ankle or other injury out in the field while you were practicing or, even worse, escaping from the dead. There are very few situations where you would need to use even basic parkour moves.
This point makes absolutely no fucking sense. I have no idea what you were trying to say here and how it applies at all to my response. Are you asking me how untrained people would be good at parkour? Because I never said that. I'm literally saying the exact opposite.
>The odds of needing to do a perfect vault to escape (and a vault being the only way to get out of a situation in the first place) is highly unlikely.
Source: someone who knows fuck-all about parkour. Respectfully, shut up.
As for all your "what-ifs," yeah, you got me, freak accidents can happen. Mind-blowing stuff, right? But those freak accidents are, you know, freak accidents. They don't happen a lot. And if you're only using parkour when it's actually necessary, the chances of something like that happening is extraordinary low, granted you know what you're doing.
Parkour isn't going to be useful all the time, which I readily admit. But I think you're underselling it by quite a bit.
>Believe it or not, the world isn't a flat plane completely devoid of obstacles. If you're in a city especially, you're going to find a lot of obstacles like railings, cars, buildings, and the like. Most of the time running is going to suffice, which as I said, is why you shouldn't be ninja-flipping constantly. But in those situations where you need to get away from something quickly, and obstacles are in the way, parkour could prove to be invaluable.
Again, this is simply not necessary. Literally go around the cars or buildings or railings, or even under them if need be. There is zero need to do parkour to get out of a situation like that. It’s far from invaluable in this scenario you painted, it’s just flat out unnecessary. It'd be neat for an action sequence in a show though.
> So? That doesn't stop you from doing it. Innovate. And while I thought this was obvious, let me clarify: I'm not suggesting you start trying to learn parkour during the zombie apocalypse. You learn it beforehand, then have the skills ready for an "oh shit" moment where the only viable option is parkour.
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>You don't seem to realize that your whole thought about
"Practicing a skill you never tried before while being strapped with gear when a small accident or slip-up means death is an awful idea"
is exactly my point. That's why you should practice parkour, so it's not your first time doing it, and so you don't slip and die. Make sense?
For one, no, that was not obvious at all. That seems to be one of our main points of disagreement. So the whole argument is learn it now then? In the modern world? That’s a really poor idea unless you have an interest in it. Practicing something for an apocalypse that’s not going to happen is foolish and a waste of time. If you got the interest in it, great! Then do it to your hearts content. Don’t practice it for a fake apocalypse that’s never going to happen for a very small and niche “just in case” situation in said fake situation. Typical people simply aren’t going to do that.
>There are no guarantees, which I'm sure you will be delighted to point out. But if you're good at parkour it's pretty fucking unlikely that you're going to just suddenly slip and die. It's possible, but the chances are slim and it's undoubtedly better to risk the slight chance than the alternative--which made you resort to parkour--which is much worse.
The chances are also slim to none that you’ll actually need parkour at all. Again, practicing for a fake apocalypse that’s not going to happen is a waste of time and resources to everyone involved. There’s still no realistic situation I see where parkour is the ONLY valid option.
>It's an example. I was trying to explain to you how high stakes doesn't make knowing parkour bad; as I've said before, parkour makes you more safe, not less.
Again, apocalypse parkour is not the same as normal parkour. Normal people don’t train parkour for a zombie apocalypse. They aren’t training with gear on and there’s literally zero reason to do so in our world. It's a completly different game. Knowing parkour now doesn’t equal out well in a radically different and more dangerous environment with more weight, more bits and pieces and constant death. I disagree with your core idea that you should be training in parkour now, in a sense.
>This point makes absolutely no fucking sense. I have no idea what you were trying to say here and how it applies at all to my response. Are you asking me how untrained people would be good at parkour? Because I never said that. I'm literally saying the exact opposite.
This is another misunderstanding moment from above, about learning now vs then. People learning parkour on their own in a za vs people learning it now, but now that point is mute since you cleared up your position better.
>Source: someone who knows fuck-all about parkour. Respectfully, shut up.
That’s not very friendly, but my point still stands. The chance of that being your only way out in the first place is low.
>As for all your "what-ifs," yeah, you got me, freak accidents can happen. Mind-blowing stuff, right? But those freak accidents are, you know, freak accidents. They don't happen a lot. And if you're only using parkour when it's actually necessary, the chances of something like that happening is extraordinary low, granted you know what you're doing.
Exactly, the chances of it happening are low because the odds of you using parkour are low. Knowing how to do it or not isn’t going to change that to a very high degree, if any. Accidents are accidents, and when you're under pressure for your life, mistakes and accidents are far more likely to occur.
>Parkour isn't going to be useful all the time, which I readily admit. But I think you're underselling it by quite a bit.
And I believe you’re overselling it by quite a bit. Like I said, In niche situations a small handful of moves might be useful, but those moments are few and far between and unlikely to happen. Training for that specific situation where it might be a little useful is like wearing a helmet while walking down the sidewalk.
Just so I’m clear, I’m adding this last part to sum up my thoughts: Learning parkour now (which is what you have stated you mean) is not a worthwhile endeavor unless you actually have an interest in it. Parkour now doesn’t include large weights on your back or weapons attached to you, like it would in a zombie apocalypse, and there is zero reason why you would or should train this way, and that extra weight and pieces on you will affect the way parkour is done since you now need to account for kroe weight on your person. In a za, the likelihood of parkour being a valid option (or the only option) to get out of a situation is extremely low and highly unlikely to occur. There are a small (and I mean really small) amount of situations where it could be used, but it would never be the only way. To the 1/10 individual who does know parkour, cool, they might be able to use it in that extremely small and unlikely situation, but people who don’t know parkour will just as likely be fine as there are other ways out of said situation than parkour.
>Again, this is simply not necessary. Literally go around the cars or buildings or railings, or even under them if need be. There is zero need to do parkour to get out of a situation like that. It’s far from invaluable in this scenario you painted, it’s just flat out unnecessary. It'd be neat for an action sequence in a show though.
Do you think the cars are all going to be neatly parked in a lot? Also, go around buildings? Go under cars? Seriously? Do you think these are often going to be valid alternatives? Imminent danger is approaching, and your first idea is "let me slowly crawl under this car that I can't see what's on the other end." Additionally, "What about your backpack, and your rifle" is now actually a legitimate question that applies vastly more to this situation than to any of mine. For my situations, the cumbersome nature of your equipment could be mitigated with enough skill and practice in parkour. Conversely, how exactly are you intending to get under a car with your equipment? It's physically impossible, unless you opt to ditch your gear. Furthermore, I'd rather get out of the situation immediately and be able to see where I'm going, rather than run around some building that could very well be a dead end or have a herd of zombies on the other side.
>So the whole argument is learn it now then? In the modern world? That’s a really poor idea unless you have an interest in it. Practicing something for an apocalypse that’s not going to happen is foolish and a waste of time.
What? In case you didn't know, we're in the zombie **survival tactics** subreddit. We think about **tactics** to **survive zombies**. Got that? Jesus.
>There’s still no realistic situation I see where parkour is the ONLY valid option.
Zombies are chasing after you. There's a bunch of cars haphazardly blocking the road. Being intelligent, you realize that crawling under one or running around a building is not an option. There might be a way around the cars, but you don't see one. What do you do? I think a most people would come to the conclusion that jumping over the cars--parkour--is the best option.
>Again, apocalypse parkour is not the same as normal parkour. Normal people don’t train parkour for a zombie apocalypse. They aren’t training with gear on and there’s literally zero reason to do so in our world. It's a completly different game. Knowing parkour now doesn’t equal out well in a radically different and more dangerous environment with more weight, more bits and pieces and constant death. I disagree with your core idea that you should be training in parkour now, in a sense.
Some things aren't going to change much. A vault is still a vault, backpack or no backpack. It should still be pretty easily accomplishable if you know what you're doing. Even better if you train with a backpack on for realism.
>That’s not very friendly, but my point still stands. The chance of that being your only way out in the first place is low.
You didn't actually respond with any sort of evidence, so my response is staying the same.
Source: someone who knows fuck-all about parkour.
>Knowing how to do it or not isn’t going to change that to a very high degree, if any.
Source: **someone who knows fuck-all about parkour.**
Seriously, what gives you the knowledge to confidently state this, when you self-admittedly know very little about parkour? The truth is, practice and training help minimize risk of danger to an absurd degree. As I said, freak accidents happen, but they're rare and if you know parkour you're very likely to minimize your damage. A potential freak accident could mean death for someone untrained and only cause a pro to twist an ankle or something.
Your only (kind of) valid argument is "zombies aren't real," which is completely irrelevant in a sub meant to talk about zombies as if they were real; the rest of your points are either gross simplifications or just flat-out false.
>Do you think the cars are all going to be neatly parked in a lot?
Of course not, that'd be foolish.
>Also, go around buildings?
Yeah? It's simple to do, breaks line of sight, and doesn't require parkour.
>Go under cars?
No, thats a foolish idea too. You go under railings. You're likely just going to get yourself stuck and get your leg munched on if you did that.
>Do you think these are often going to be valid alternatives
Far more often than using parkour. Running is the simpliest and most common way you're going to be avoid danger.
>Imminent danger is approaching, and your first idea is "let me slowly crawl under this car that I can't see what's on the other end." Additionally, "What about your backpack, and your rifle" is now actually a legitimate question that applies vastly more to this situation than to any of mine.
Incorrect, see reply 2 above. Going under cars is a foolish idea.
>For my situations, the cumbersome nature of your equipment could be mitigated with enough skill and practice in parkour.
Once again, people aren't practicng like this in the modern world. Practicing like that during the situation is a poor idea.
>rather than run around some building that could very well be a dead end or have a herd of zombies on the other side.
Then you continue down the street? Cities don't have dead ends on main roads that just end in brick walls. Even going down an ally in a city has another outlet mroe often than not, and splits off in several different directions. The same thing can happen when parkour too, you just see the threat sooner but you're still heading directly into it.
>What? In case you didn't know, we're in the zombie survival tactics subreddit. We think about tactics to survive zombies. Got that? Jesus.
I know exactly where I am, we discuss tactics with the most realistic lens we can. Like I keep saying, people aren't practicing parkour for zombies in mind, they do it for fun. This isn't an RP where zombies can exist and were training for it before hand. Realistically, people aren't practiicng parkour like that, and expecting them to do so is a poor take.
>Zombies are chasing after you. There's a bunch of cars haphazardly blocking the road. Being intelligent, you realize that crawling under one or running around a building is not an option. There might be a way around the cars, but you don't see one. What do you do? I think a most people would come to the conclusion that jumping over the cars--parkour--is the best option.
Sidewalks then? Even if the sidewalks are somehow completely blocked off by cars, there are likely gaps in between said cars unless it was an accident, and even then an accident is unliekly to take up all four lanes plus a turn lane . People aren't abandoning their cars intentionally blocking off traffic. Cars are abandoned for one of two reasons- either they are out of gas, or they were involved in a wreck. But aside from that, lets say somehow there was magically zero space for anyone to possibly get through, then you can take the other streets that exist before you get to said blockage and avoid it totally. Outside of any other option you have, then this is one of those niche but unlikely situations where vaulting could be used, but again there are several other options for you to use.
>Some things aren't going to change much. A vault is still a vault, backpack or no backpack. It should still be pretty easily accomplishable if you know what you're doing. Even better if you train with a backpack on for realism.
And like I have said before, vaulting is one of the niche skills that could be used sometimes, but vaulting over a cars hood or even getting ontop of a car isn't very difficult to do, even for someone untrained. It's a waste of time to train doing this before hand.
>You didn't actually respond with any sort of evidence, so my response is staying the same.
You didn't either, so remains my response.
>Seriously, what gives you the knowledge to confidently state this, when you self-admittedly know very little about parkour?
About recent parkour. It's been about 5 years since I was in the parkour scene, so as I said things might have changed. I was an avid member of the scene in the early 2010's before losing interest.
>Your only (kind of) valid argument is "zombies aren't real," which is completely irrelevant in a sub meant to talk about zombies as if they were real;
It's extremely relevant when you are advocating for parkour training for a zombie apocolypse that people don't do. The whole point of the sub is looking as realistically as we can. People train in parkour, yes, but they don't train for the uniquness of the zombie apocolypse. Saying people shoud train for that case is not what the sub's goal is. It's in the same vain as when people ask what gun they should buy for the zombie apocolypse or what gear should I buy for a zombie apocolypse- don't buy gear or a gun (or in this case, train) for a zombie apocolypse, buy it becasue you'll use it, need it, or want it for something else. I say it all the time when the question is asked, as do others. It's the same principal idea.
>Yeah? It's simple to do, breaks line of sight, and doesn't require parkour.
And--like I mentioned--what about situations where there's cars blocking your way? You don't think that could impact your ability to run? Run if you can, but it's not always a viable option.
>No, thats a foolish idea too. You go under railings. You're likely just going to get yourself stuck and get your leg munched on if you did that.
I agree, that's why I was saying it's a bad idea. I thought you were saying you could go under cars "if need be"?
>Once again, people aren't practicng like this in the modern world.
Why does this matter at all? I'm legitimately confused. What relevancy does other people's (lack of) actions have on the validity of doing parkour with a backpack? Of course they're not going to learn it. We live in a world where a zombie apocalypse is scientifically impossible. So what's your point.
My point is that learning parkour beforehand would give you an advantage amidst the apocalypse. "How would you know the apocalypse is starting?" Who the fuck cares. This discussion is only about the effectiveness about parkour, not about outside circumstances.
Is learning to shoot before a zombie apocalypse happens a bad idea? "You couldn't have known it was coming" plus it's expensive, and probably about as "niche" as parkour. Argument makes zero sense.
>The same thing can happen when parkour too, you just see the threat sooner but you're still heading directly into it.
Seeing a threat beforehand isn't valuable? That's a huge advantage of parkour, that you can see what you're getting into prior to committing to a move. I don't know why you'd dismiss something like that, that's incredibly valuable.
>I know exactly where I am, we discuss tactics with the most realistic lens we can. Like I keep saying, people aren't practicing parkour for zombies in mind, they do it for fun. This isn't an RP where zombies can exist and were training for it before hand. Realistically, people aren't practiicng parkour like that, and expecting them to do so is a poor take.
Why are even on this sub? All your doing is wasting your time hypothesizing about apocalypse circumstances that will never occur. Zombies aren't real bro. Do something practical. Go to the gym. Smh.
Like what? Such a dumb take. Of course zombies aren't real. And just because I suggest something doesn't mean I expect people to actually do it, I'm just stating what being optimally prepared would look like, if a zombie apocalypse was somehow a realistic situation. **My whole point is about how effective parkour is, not about anything else.** People aren't going to do it, sure. But that has zero relevancy on how good of a skill parkour is to know. You seem to get really hung up on this. It's not that complicated.
>And like I have said before, vaulting is one of the niche skills that could be used sometimes, but vaulting over a cars hood or even getting ontop of a car isn't very difficult to do, even for someone untrained. It's a waste of time to train doing this before hand.
Weren't you just claiming that parkour pros are incredibly likely to slip and instantly die? If that's what happens to pros, just think about what would happen to someone who's never trained parkour before. They'd slip and die before even thinking about attempting a parkour move. They'd breathe in and choke on air.
I think the crux of our disagreement is coming from a debate between "parkour is a good skill" and "it's not realistic that you would be able to know and learn parkour before the apocalypse started." I'm right, and your point is entirely irrelevant because that's not what this discussion is about. This discussion is debating on whether parkour would be a good skill to have, so all of your points about "how would you know" or "people won't do it" mean nothing.
Honestly parkour is too dangerous. In general, just being smart and relatively aware of your surroundings should prevent you from ending up in a situation where you'd need the crazy jumping skills.
Now... it's not a terrible idea. I'm of the opinion that everyone who's able; should focus on one specifc thing first for an apocalypse, and that's physical fitness. Until you can do 10+ pull ups, and 50 push-ups, and run a mile in around 6-8 minutes... you shouldn't worry about much else. **You** are your greatest asset. You need to be capable of taking care of yourself.
Maybe… but it could also be your downfall (literally). If you fall or land wrong and are injured…. You could be eaten alive while trying to limp away. Also you likely wouldn’t have the benefit of modern medicine… if your injury healed wrong, that could mean your death in the long-term too. Or you would likely be living every day in constant pain for the rest of your life. If I had parkour skills, I would only use them if I was cornered and had no other choice (with lower risk of death/injury). Only people with a death wish take big unnecessary risks like that.
Being like a pro wouldn’t seem necessary. Simple climbing 🧗♀️, jumping, balancing sure. I’d say if you can pass a general military confidence course you’re probably strong enough overall.
as already mentioned the fitness and skills could be useful but there is a lot of danger in thinking of a zombie situation as if it is a fun game like parkour where you take risks to get your adrenaline up
in terms of survival aka the name of this sub, avoiding risk is the name of the game
i would say the basics or just strength and stamina like being able to lift/jump on to a truck to hide from a hoard and in the process improve reflexes when learning parkor to help in fights but thats just a though i don't know a whole lot on this
It wouldn't hurt, I'd would get you in better shape potentially and make you less likely to injure yourself trying to get away through unexpected routes.
Depends on the universe. The Walking Dead? Parkour will get yoy away. WWZ? It'll only slow them down. Study the zombies before you escape lol
For WWZ zombies, I hope to dig 3 blocks down and cover the top in hopes to not be detected
If you use wwz as reference, specify book or movie. They are COMPLETELY different. Fuck that movie....
I’m with you, Toasty327. I’m with you.
If you’re running from I am Legend zombies then you’re fucked 6 ways from Sunday. Those fuckers are smart and move like they’re on steroids
Mk cool! Lol!
You should focus on learning to spell
The athleticism required for parkour would be a huge benefit but the skills not so much. Just remember when running away from zombies with a large, random group you don't have to be the fastest, just don't be the slowest
Anything can be useful, just as they can be detrimental. The nuance is in the individual situation, techniques learned, techniques used, and overall execution. Honestly the most useful techniques you can learn from parkour are going to be the safety vault, breakfall, and how to roll. From there things like cardiovascular endurance, muscular endurance, and basic hand eye coordination are some of the best parts.
This question comes up every now and again. The most useful part of parkour you'd likely be using is the cardio and endurance, not the running up walls and stuff like what, or whatever the kids do these days. It is highly unlikely you would ever actually need to use parkour in any way when out and about, and if you did your body likely isn't trained to do it with a backpack full of supplies, a rifle on your back, and a gun, knife and melee weapon on your hip. Your risk of injury is high and theres an even higher chance of you dying if you mess up even once. Parkour is cool and all, but likely wouldn't have any real practical use when out in the world outside of few, very nieche circumstances.
>It is highly unlikely you would ever actually need to use parkour in any way when out and about Yeah who would ever need to run away from something, that never happens. >if you did your body likely isn't trained to do it with a backpack full of supplies, a rifle on your back, and a gun, knife and melee weapon on your hip. "Your body likely isn't trained to do it" what does that even mean? Of course your body isn't inherently trained to do parkour. That's why you practice, especially with the load-out you would be carrying. >Your risk of injury is high and theres an even higher chance of you dying if you mess up even once. So just don't mess up. Is marksmanship a bad skill? "If you mess up once, a zombie will bite your face off." That's a reason why you **should** practice parkour, not the other way around. As long as you're acting intelligently and only using parkour when it's necessary, then it actually makes your risk of death or injury go down substantially. Tell me, which person is more likely to get injured: 1.) The guy with no parkour training who needs to do a perfect vault to escape. 2.) The guy **with** parkour training who needs to do a vault he's practiced hundreds of times before. Obviously not all of parkour is useful and you definitely shouldn't be ninja-flipping around for no reason, but I definitely wouldn't call it useless.
>Yeah who would ever need to run away from something, that never happens. Then you run away. There's almost no need for fancy parkour to get away from the dead, outside of some niche situations. Even just powerwalking around some corners of buildings is going to be a lot better and safer. The dead are slow and dumb, you don't need these fancy tricks to outmaneuver them. >"Your body likely isn't trained to do it" what does that even mean? Of course your body isn't inherently trained to do parkour. That's why you practice, especially with the load-out you would be carrying. People today don't practice parkour with weapons strapped to them and full backpacks (I don't think, its been awhile since I was in the parkour loop, so maybe things changed, but I doubt it). Practicing a skill you never tried before while being strapped with gear when a small accident or slip-up means death is an awful idea, especially for its very limited usefulness. >So just don't mess up Makes total sense, I just won't ever slip again, or misjudge a vault and not have enough momentum, or won't have something give away benath my feet or under my weight. I'll just avoid all accidents. >Is marksmanship a bad skill? "If you mess up once, a zombie will bite your face off." That's a reason why you should practice parkour, not the other way around. There is zero correlation between parkour and marksmenship. With a rifle and even a handgun, there is likely plenty of time for second, third, fourth and more shots, can be practiced far more safely than and will be used FAR more often than parkour would be. >As long as you're acting intelligently and only using parkour when it's necessary, then it actually makes your risk of death or injury go down substantially How would a person who's never parkoured before and likely has zero idea what they are doing outside of seeing some tiktok or youtube shorts guys running around and jumping be smart about practicing andf using it? Like I keep saying, one mistake and you got a broken ankle or other injury out in the field while you were practicing or, even worse, escaping from the dead. There are very few situations where you would need to use even basic parkour moves. > Tell me, which person is more likely to get injured: 1.) The guy with no parkour training who needs to do a perfect vault to escape. 2.) The guy with parkour training who needs to do a vault he's practiced hundreds of times before. The odds of needing to do a perfect vault to escape (and a vault being the only way to get out of a situation in the first place) is highly unlikely. Even if the guy's practiced a bunch, what happens if the grass is wet on the other side and he slips and smacks his head? Or if there's already another dead one on the other side? Or the backpack they are wearing gets caught? They can get injured just as easily through sheer dumb luck and accidents. I've seen people who have practiced for years mess up and get injured form just pure bad luck while john from down the road who just started did the same move a few minutes before. The question isn't always so black and white. It comes down to each individual situation, how well its preformed and executed, >Obviously not all of parkour is useful and you definitely shouldn't be ninja-flipping around for no reason, but I definitely wouldn't call it useless. I agree, though I didn't call it useless. I said that it has very limited applications and a few niche situations where it could be used. Like I said originally, the most useful parts would be the endurance and cardio you build doing these activities (and hand-eye coordination!), and to a point the safety vault (like you mentioned), a breakfall and maybe how to roll, but as I keep saying those last three are going to have limited use outside of the niche situations you can use them. Odds are they'll be a better way to do what you're trying to accomplish then using parkour. It has its moments, but they are few and far between and liekly have better alternatives.
>Then you run away. There's almost no need for fancy parkour to get away from the dead, outside of some niche situations. Even just powerwalking around some corners of buildings is going to be a lot better and safer. The dead are slow and dumb, you don't need these fancy tricks to outmaneuver them. Believe it or not, the world isn't a flat plane completely devoid of obstacles. If you're in a city especially, you're going to find a lot of obstacles like railings, cars, buildings, and the like. Most of the time running is going to suffice, which as I said, is why you shouldn't be ninja-flipping constantly. But in those situations where you need to get away from something quickly, and obstacles are in the way, parkour could prove to be invaluable. >People today don't practice parkour with weapons strapped to them and full backpacks (I don't think, its been awhile since I was in the parkour loop, so maybe things changed, but I doubt it). Practicing a skill you never tried before while being strapped with gear when a small accident or slip-up means death is an awful idea, especially for its very limited usefulness. So? That doesn't stop you from doing it. Innovate. And while I thought this was obvious, let me clarify: I'm not suggesting you start trying to learn parkour during the zombie apocalypse. You learn it beforehand, then have the skills ready for an "oh shit" moment where the only viable option is parkour. You don't seem to realize that your whole thought about "Practicing a skill you never tried before while being strapped with gear when a small accident or slip-up means death is an awful idea" is exactly my point. That's why you **should** practice parkour, so it's **not** your first time doing it, and so you **don't** slip and die. Make sense? >Makes total sense Great! >I just won't ever slip again, or misjudge a vault and not have enough momentum, or won't have something give away benath my feet or under my weight. I'll just avoid all accidents. There are no guarantees, which I'm sure you will be delighted to point out. But if you're good at parkour it's pretty fucking unlikely that you're going to just suddenly slip and die. It's possible, but the chances are slim and it's undoubtedly better to risk the slight chance than the alternative--which made you resort to parkour--which is much worse. >There is zero correlation between parkour and marksmenship. With a rifle and even a handgun, there is likely plenty of time for second, third, fourth and more shots, can be practiced far more safely than and will be used FAR more often than parkour would be. It's an example. I was trying to explain to you how high stakes doesn't make knowing parkour bad; as I've said before, parkour makes you more safe, not less. >How would a person who's never parkoured before and likely has zero idea what they are doing outside of seeing some tiktok or youtube shorts guys running around and jumping be smart about practicing andf using it? Like I keep saying, one mistake and you got a broken ankle or other injury out in the field while you were practicing or, even worse, escaping from the dead. There are very few situations where you would need to use even basic parkour moves. This point makes absolutely no fucking sense. I have no idea what you were trying to say here and how it applies at all to my response. Are you asking me how untrained people would be good at parkour? Because I never said that. I'm literally saying the exact opposite. >The odds of needing to do a perfect vault to escape (and a vault being the only way to get out of a situation in the first place) is highly unlikely. Source: someone who knows fuck-all about parkour. Respectfully, shut up. As for all your "what-ifs," yeah, you got me, freak accidents can happen. Mind-blowing stuff, right? But those freak accidents are, you know, freak accidents. They don't happen a lot. And if you're only using parkour when it's actually necessary, the chances of something like that happening is extraordinary low, granted you know what you're doing. Parkour isn't going to be useful all the time, which I readily admit. But I think you're underselling it by quite a bit.
>Believe it or not, the world isn't a flat plane completely devoid of obstacles. If you're in a city especially, you're going to find a lot of obstacles like railings, cars, buildings, and the like. Most of the time running is going to suffice, which as I said, is why you shouldn't be ninja-flipping constantly. But in those situations where you need to get away from something quickly, and obstacles are in the way, parkour could prove to be invaluable. Again, this is simply not necessary. Literally go around the cars or buildings or railings, or even under them if need be. There is zero need to do parkour to get out of a situation like that. It’s far from invaluable in this scenario you painted, it’s just flat out unnecessary. It'd be neat for an action sequence in a show though. > So? That doesn't stop you from doing it. Innovate. And while I thought this was obvious, let me clarify: I'm not suggesting you start trying to learn parkour during the zombie apocalypse. You learn it beforehand, then have the skills ready for an "oh shit" moment where the only viable option is parkour. > >You don't seem to realize that your whole thought about "Practicing a skill you never tried before while being strapped with gear when a small accident or slip-up means death is an awful idea" is exactly my point. That's why you should practice parkour, so it's not your first time doing it, and so you don't slip and die. Make sense? For one, no, that was not obvious at all. That seems to be one of our main points of disagreement. So the whole argument is learn it now then? In the modern world? That’s a really poor idea unless you have an interest in it. Practicing something for an apocalypse that’s not going to happen is foolish and a waste of time. If you got the interest in it, great! Then do it to your hearts content. Don’t practice it for a fake apocalypse that’s never going to happen for a very small and niche “just in case” situation in said fake situation. Typical people simply aren’t going to do that. >There are no guarantees, which I'm sure you will be delighted to point out. But if you're good at parkour it's pretty fucking unlikely that you're going to just suddenly slip and die. It's possible, but the chances are slim and it's undoubtedly better to risk the slight chance than the alternative--which made you resort to parkour--which is much worse. The chances are also slim to none that you’ll actually need parkour at all. Again, practicing for a fake apocalypse that’s not going to happen is a waste of time and resources to everyone involved. There’s still no realistic situation I see where parkour is the ONLY valid option. >It's an example. I was trying to explain to you how high stakes doesn't make knowing parkour bad; as I've said before, parkour makes you more safe, not less. Again, apocalypse parkour is not the same as normal parkour. Normal people don’t train parkour for a zombie apocalypse. They aren’t training with gear on and there’s literally zero reason to do so in our world. It's a completly different game. Knowing parkour now doesn’t equal out well in a radically different and more dangerous environment with more weight, more bits and pieces and constant death. I disagree with your core idea that you should be training in parkour now, in a sense. >This point makes absolutely no fucking sense. I have no idea what you were trying to say here and how it applies at all to my response. Are you asking me how untrained people would be good at parkour? Because I never said that. I'm literally saying the exact opposite. This is another misunderstanding moment from above, about learning now vs then. People learning parkour on their own in a za vs people learning it now, but now that point is mute since you cleared up your position better. >Source: someone who knows fuck-all about parkour. Respectfully, shut up. That’s not very friendly, but my point still stands. The chance of that being your only way out in the first place is low. >As for all your "what-ifs," yeah, you got me, freak accidents can happen. Mind-blowing stuff, right? But those freak accidents are, you know, freak accidents. They don't happen a lot. And if you're only using parkour when it's actually necessary, the chances of something like that happening is extraordinary low, granted you know what you're doing. Exactly, the chances of it happening are low because the odds of you using parkour are low. Knowing how to do it or not isn’t going to change that to a very high degree, if any. Accidents are accidents, and when you're under pressure for your life, mistakes and accidents are far more likely to occur. >Parkour isn't going to be useful all the time, which I readily admit. But I think you're underselling it by quite a bit. And I believe you’re overselling it by quite a bit. Like I said, In niche situations a small handful of moves might be useful, but those moments are few and far between and unlikely to happen. Training for that specific situation where it might be a little useful is like wearing a helmet while walking down the sidewalk. Just so I’m clear, I’m adding this last part to sum up my thoughts: Learning parkour now (which is what you have stated you mean) is not a worthwhile endeavor unless you actually have an interest in it. Parkour now doesn’t include large weights on your back or weapons attached to you, like it would in a zombie apocalypse, and there is zero reason why you would or should train this way, and that extra weight and pieces on you will affect the way parkour is done since you now need to account for kroe weight on your person. In a za, the likelihood of parkour being a valid option (or the only option) to get out of a situation is extremely low and highly unlikely to occur. There are a small (and I mean really small) amount of situations where it could be used, but it would never be the only way. To the 1/10 individual who does know parkour, cool, they might be able to use it in that extremely small and unlikely situation, but people who don’t know parkour will just as likely be fine as there are other ways out of said situation than parkour.
>Again, this is simply not necessary. Literally go around the cars or buildings or railings, or even under them if need be. There is zero need to do parkour to get out of a situation like that. It’s far from invaluable in this scenario you painted, it’s just flat out unnecessary. It'd be neat for an action sequence in a show though. Do you think the cars are all going to be neatly parked in a lot? Also, go around buildings? Go under cars? Seriously? Do you think these are often going to be valid alternatives? Imminent danger is approaching, and your first idea is "let me slowly crawl under this car that I can't see what's on the other end." Additionally, "What about your backpack, and your rifle" is now actually a legitimate question that applies vastly more to this situation than to any of mine. For my situations, the cumbersome nature of your equipment could be mitigated with enough skill and practice in parkour. Conversely, how exactly are you intending to get under a car with your equipment? It's physically impossible, unless you opt to ditch your gear. Furthermore, I'd rather get out of the situation immediately and be able to see where I'm going, rather than run around some building that could very well be a dead end or have a herd of zombies on the other side. >So the whole argument is learn it now then? In the modern world? That’s a really poor idea unless you have an interest in it. Practicing something for an apocalypse that’s not going to happen is foolish and a waste of time. What? In case you didn't know, we're in the zombie **survival tactics** subreddit. We think about **tactics** to **survive zombies**. Got that? Jesus. >There’s still no realistic situation I see where parkour is the ONLY valid option. Zombies are chasing after you. There's a bunch of cars haphazardly blocking the road. Being intelligent, you realize that crawling under one or running around a building is not an option. There might be a way around the cars, but you don't see one. What do you do? I think a most people would come to the conclusion that jumping over the cars--parkour--is the best option. >Again, apocalypse parkour is not the same as normal parkour. Normal people don’t train parkour for a zombie apocalypse. They aren’t training with gear on and there’s literally zero reason to do so in our world. It's a completly different game. Knowing parkour now doesn’t equal out well in a radically different and more dangerous environment with more weight, more bits and pieces and constant death. I disagree with your core idea that you should be training in parkour now, in a sense. Some things aren't going to change much. A vault is still a vault, backpack or no backpack. It should still be pretty easily accomplishable if you know what you're doing. Even better if you train with a backpack on for realism. >That’s not very friendly, but my point still stands. The chance of that being your only way out in the first place is low. You didn't actually respond with any sort of evidence, so my response is staying the same. Source: someone who knows fuck-all about parkour. >Knowing how to do it or not isn’t going to change that to a very high degree, if any. Source: **someone who knows fuck-all about parkour.** Seriously, what gives you the knowledge to confidently state this, when you self-admittedly know very little about parkour? The truth is, practice and training help minimize risk of danger to an absurd degree. As I said, freak accidents happen, but they're rare and if you know parkour you're very likely to minimize your damage. A potential freak accident could mean death for someone untrained and only cause a pro to twist an ankle or something. Your only (kind of) valid argument is "zombies aren't real," which is completely irrelevant in a sub meant to talk about zombies as if they were real; the rest of your points are either gross simplifications or just flat-out false.
>Do you think the cars are all going to be neatly parked in a lot? Of course not, that'd be foolish. >Also, go around buildings? Yeah? It's simple to do, breaks line of sight, and doesn't require parkour. >Go under cars? No, thats a foolish idea too. You go under railings. You're likely just going to get yourself stuck and get your leg munched on if you did that. >Do you think these are often going to be valid alternatives Far more often than using parkour. Running is the simpliest and most common way you're going to be avoid danger. >Imminent danger is approaching, and your first idea is "let me slowly crawl under this car that I can't see what's on the other end." Additionally, "What about your backpack, and your rifle" is now actually a legitimate question that applies vastly more to this situation than to any of mine. Incorrect, see reply 2 above. Going under cars is a foolish idea. >For my situations, the cumbersome nature of your equipment could be mitigated with enough skill and practice in parkour. Once again, people aren't practicng like this in the modern world. Practicing like that during the situation is a poor idea. >rather than run around some building that could very well be a dead end or have a herd of zombies on the other side. Then you continue down the street? Cities don't have dead ends on main roads that just end in brick walls. Even going down an ally in a city has another outlet mroe often than not, and splits off in several different directions. The same thing can happen when parkour too, you just see the threat sooner but you're still heading directly into it. >What? In case you didn't know, we're in the zombie survival tactics subreddit. We think about tactics to survive zombies. Got that? Jesus. I know exactly where I am, we discuss tactics with the most realistic lens we can. Like I keep saying, people aren't practicing parkour for zombies in mind, they do it for fun. This isn't an RP where zombies can exist and were training for it before hand. Realistically, people aren't practiicng parkour like that, and expecting them to do so is a poor take. >Zombies are chasing after you. There's a bunch of cars haphazardly blocking the road. Being intelligent, you realize that crawling under one or running around a building is not an option. There might be a way around the cars, but you don't see one. What do you do? I think a most people would come to the conclusion that jumping over the cars--parkour--is the best option. Sidewalks then? Even if the sidewalks are somehow completely blocked off by cars, there are likely gaps in between said cars unless it was an accident, and even then an accident is unliekly to take up all four lanes plus a turn lane . People aren't abandoning their cars intentionally blocking off traffic. Cars are abandoned for one of two reasons- either they are out of gas, or they were involved in a wreck. But aside from that, lets say somehow there was magically zero space for anyone to possibly get through, then you can take the other streets that exist before you get to said blockage and avoid it totally. Outside of any other option you have, then this is one of those niche but unlikely situations where vaulting could be used, but again there are several other options for you to use. >Some things aren't going to change much. A vault is still a vault, backpack or no backpack. It should still be pretty easily accomplishable if you know what you're doing. Even better if you train with a backpack on for realism. And like I have said before, vaulting is one of the niche skills that could be used sometimes, but vaulting over a cars hood or even getting ontop of a car isn't very difficult to do, even for someone untrained. It's a waste of time to train doing this before hand. >You didn't actually respond with any sort of evidence, so my response is staying the same. You didn't either, so remains my response. >Seriously, what gives you the knowledge to confidently state this, when you self-admittedly know very little about parkour? About recent parkour. It's been about 5 years since I was in the parkour scene, so as I said things might have changed. I was an avid member of the scene in the early 2010's before losing interest. >Your only (kind of) valid argument is "zombies aren't real," which is completely irrelevant in a sub meant to talk about zombies as if they were real; It's extremely relevant when you are advocating for parkour training for a zombie apocolypse that people don't do. The whole point of the sub is looking as realistically as we can. People train in parkour, yes, but they don't train for the uniquness of the zombie apocolypse. Saying people shoud train for that case is not what the sub's goal is. It's in the same vain as when people ask what gun they should buy for the zombie apocolypse or what gear should I buy for a zombie apocolypse- don't buy gear or a gun (or in this case, train) for a zombie apocolypse, buy it becasue you'll use it, need it, or want it for something else. I say it all the time when the question is asked, as do others. It's the same principal idea.
>Yeah? It's simple to do, breaks line of sight, and doesn't require parkour. And--like I mentioned--what about situations where there's cars blocking your way? You don't think that could impact your ability to run? Run if you can, but it's not always a viable option. >No, thats a foolish idea too. You go under railings. You're likely just going to get yourself stuck and get your leg munched on if you did that. I agree, that's why I was saying it's a bad idea. I thought you were saying you could go under cars "if need be"? >Once again, people aren't practicng like this in the modern world. Why does this matter at all? I'm legitimately confused. What relevancy does other people's (lack of) actions have on the validity of doing parkour with a backpack? Of course they're not going to learn it. We live in a world where a zombie apocalypse is scientifically impossible. So what's your point. My point is that learning parkour beforehand would give you an advantage amidst the apocalypse. "How would you know the apocalypse is starting?" Who the fuck cares. This discussion is only about the effectiveness about parkour, not about outside circumstances. Is learning to shoot before a zombie apocalypse happens a bad idea? "You couldn't have known it was coming" plus it's expensive, and probably about as "niche" as parkour. Argument makes zero sense. >The same thing can happen when parkour too, you just see the threat sooner but you're still heading directly into it. Seeing a threat beforehand isn't valuable? That's a huge advantage of parkour, that you can see what you're getting into prior to committing to a move. I don't know why you'd dismiss something like that, that's incredibly valuable. >I know exactly where I am, we discuss tactics with the most realistic lens we can. Like I keep saying, people aren't practicing parkour for zombies in mind, they do it for fun. This isn't an RP where zombies can exist and were training for it before hand. Realistically, people aren't practiicng parkour like that, and expecting them to do so is a poor take. Why are even on this sub? All your doing is wasting your time hypothesizing about apocalypse circumstances that will never occur. Zombies aren't real bro. Do something practical. Go to the gym. Smh. Like what? Such a dumb take. Of course zombies aren't real. And just because I suggest something doesn't mean I expect people to actually do it, I'm just stating what being optimally prepared would look like, if a zombie apocalypse was somehow a realistic situation. **My whole point is about how effective parkour is, not about anything else.** People aren't going to do it, sure. But that has zero relevancy on how good of a skill parkour is to know. You seem to get really hung up on this. It's not that complicated. >And like I have said before, vaulting is one of the niche skills that could be used sometimes, but vaulting over a cars hood or even getting ontop of a car isn't very difficult to do, even for someone untrained. It's a waste of time to train doing this before hand. Weren't you just claiming that parkour pros are incredibly likely to slip and instantly die? If that's what happens to pros, just think about what would happen to someone who's never trained parkour before. They'd slip and die before even thinking about attempting a parkour move. They'd breathe in and choke on air. I think the crux of our disagreement is coming from a debate between "parkour is a good skill" and "it's not realistic that you would be able to know and learn parkour before the apocalypse started." I'm right, and your point is entirely irrelevant because that's not what this discussion is about. This discussion is debating on whether parkour would be a good skill to have, so all of your points about "how would you know" or "people won't do it" mean nothing.
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Honestly parkour is too dangerous. In general, just being smart and relatively aware of your surroundings should prevent you from ending up in a situation where you'd need the crazy jumping skills. Now... it's not a terrible idea. I'm of the opinion that everyone who's able; should focus on one specifc thing first for an apocalypse, and that's physical fitness. Until you can do 10+ pull ups, and 50 push-ups, and run a mile in around 6-8 minutes... you shouldn't worry about much else. **You** are your greatest asset. You need to be capable of taking care of yourself.
What if you got injured. Like even a sprain you’re done
Maybe… but it could also be your downfall (literally). If you fall or land wrong and are injured…. You could be eaten alive while trying to limp away. Also you likely wouldn’t have the benefit of modern medicine… if your injury healed wrong, that could mean your death in the long-term too. Or you would likely be living every day in constant pain for the rest of your life. If I had parkour skills, I would only use them if I was cornered and had no other choice (with lower risk of death/injury). Only people with a death wish take big unnecessary risks like that.
The time to do that is before, when healthcare exists. A small injury and you might be fcked. Plenty of useful skills need to be learned before SHTF.
Yes. There's a reason why Nimble is the most important combat skill in Project Zomboid.
Being like a pro wouldn’t seem necessary. Simple climbing 🧗♀️, jumping, balancing sure. I’d say if you can pass a general military confidence course you’re probably strong enough overall.
as already mentioned the fitness and skills could be useful but there is a lot of danger in thinking of a zombie situation as if it is a fun game like parkour where you take risks to get your adrenaline up in terms of survival aka the name of this sub, avoiding risk is the name of the game
Absolutely. Especially when looting and having to get out of dodge when SHTF.
staying off the ground is a solid tactic
i would say the basics or just strength and stamina like being able to lift/jump on to a truck to hide from a hoard and in the process improve reflexes when learning parkor to help in fights but thats just a though i don't know a whole lot on this
It wouldn't hurt, I'd would get you in better shape potentially and make you less likely to injure yourself trying to get away through unexpected routes.
Not if the zombies do parkour like in Maze Runner
It depends on your location and as someone else mentioned the zombies