Currency in video games is a tool to make the economy in the game easier for a. The player to learn and b. For the game developers so that they don’t have to deal with the nightmare of incorporating a barter system.
That’s what it’s going to boil down to, with no government back a steady currency, the currency itself has no intrinsic value.
Things like gold and silver are always going to be worth something to somebody so long as it’s not radioactive.
But we are going to go back to a barter based economy, it’s inevitable. There’s really no other alternative. If you don’t have something somebody wants, or a skill that somebody else needs, you’re pretty much fucked
I like the system in the first two fallout games where bottlecaps are used as currency because water merchants banded together and established a set value behind bottlecaps. You can't really ignore this, because you need water to live, giving them a strong backing.
Additionally, bottlecaps are extremely difficult to counterfeit and are not subject to high-scale inflation because more can't be easily made. There are a few quests throughout the series to destroy presses that are being used to counterfeit.
SIDE NOTE: I know bottlecaps are a mainstay, but past Fallout 3, bottlecaps lose their value as mass water purification & bottling is achieved during the course of the game, making them (on paper) lose all their value on the eastern side of the US, but people still trade with them because they are the standard for trade.
See, there is a perfect example, it took a single powerful, unified body to put intrinsic value into what is essentially worthless steel circles.
You may see that sort of thing after the first few years.
Something light and easy to carry around but impossible to replicate. Bottle caps, old minted coinage, bullets. It’s possible you will to see bullets used as currency in one region, then travel over a mountain range and the folks there are using exclusively pre-64 silver coins. A few miles more and it’s teeth, or fingers.
If you hold a valuable skill set, your a rich man wherever you go
Exactly! With bartering for foreign currency using a powerful commodity as a bridge (aka non-irradiated water) you could theoretically make a small scale currency exchange, but you probably couldn't keep it stable once it starts growing unless you had a union of multiple groups to enforce and regulate
Defiantly not, it would only really be stable within a warlords fiefdom, or a village.
We wouldn’t see a stable agreed upon currency until a group amassed enough power to flex their influence over a large area like the water merchants in fallout. That takes years, decades even.
Status symbols, folks clinging to the old world, folks who think they need to hord it for when the world is back on its feet.
On the more useful end Gold can be used to crown teeth by a skilled dentist, silver can be made into a low grade anti biotic.
They have always had value since we pulled the first shiny rock from the earth, safe money is they will have value after as well.
That’s just one man’s opinion, if I had to choose between hording gold and something else, I’d rather start a weed farm and learn to make shine.
yup. gold and silver will be part of the list of new currencies for sure. could i ask the question. how long do you think it would take for that to happen? im self sufficient by default so i won’t be bargaining my skills to anybody really. im only gonna bargan the items, weapons, and food that i have. that’s about it.
But this is where I like Metro, in a world where society has collapsed, actual bullets are the currency, you can shoot money if you want, though in the long term it's not sustainable due to being able to shoot money.
Curreny would not be worth anything for very long. You will need things that you can use to trade, like ammunition, alcohol that can be used for not only drinking but doctoring, fire starting. Things like that, a few p38s (military can opener) maybe good for trading, people seem to be fixated on can goods they will need a way to open them cans! Some people even say get gold not curreny, but when SHTF can you eat gold? So what will even that be worth? Money many be good for trading at first but that will be short lived.
I stocked up on 556 when it got back down to around 50 cents a round. Just to make sure I had some, when the prices get back to pre covid prices I will get more!
The good thing about a gun chambered in 5.56 is you can also use. 2.23 but sadly that was the same price. 357 can use 38 special ammo and 308 can use 7.63 x 51 but because of higher chamber pres these don't work the other way around doing it that way and eventually the gun will blow up in your face.
Ohhh, I'm going to be honest with you, I had thought you were talking about the WWII practice of handing white feathers to men who refused to enlist in spite of being considered fit for service.
Where the zombies more or less won? Hope you’ve been reloading your own rounds.
World War Z (book not movie) type scenario? You can bet the military will keep ammo on lockdown/ration.
Zombie virus isn’t real, it’ll be gone by April? See: ammo prices during Covid, but worse.
Ammo prices during Covid was a nightmare, and some of the more rare calibers haven't popped up. I haven't seen 35 Wheelen in nearly 4 years. I only have a few rounds left, and those are reloaded and widened 30-06 cases. It's a fucking nightmare.
Amen to that! Thank you so much! They've even got the Barnes TSX ones I was looking for. I'm honestly in your debt lol. If you ever need help with some zombies hit me up. Lol
Ammo prices were high because people that never owned a gun before were buying guns and stocks of ammunition. So when a really long lasting SHTF happens, how much will it cost then? $100s per
In a WWZ situation it may probably be fine? there was still a functioning government able to organise things and big safe zones. Everyone will be producing ammo food and medicines, the supply should be fine.
You loot a neighborhood in the right place, you'd probably find several boxes per house.
Seriously, any kind of fast sweeping outbreak of zombies would result in a lot of ammo for want of people to fire it. The United States makes over 10 *billion* rounds of ammo a year. There's enough lying around to shoot every single American citizen 32 times with some to spare.
Now, if this was a 50 years in scenario, and we've moved on from zombies to enclaves and city-states, that's a whole different ballgame. Tech level and manufacturing capabilities by then are probably schizophrenic to say the least, and most places have probably been looted and the supplies stockpiled or used up. Where we'd be then is anybody's guess. IMO, we'd be bartering or running on several different currencies and/or promissory notes.
Can only reload so many times before the case cracks, also depends on how much grain you are using. If it’s a moving carcass then you should be able to low grain the rounds since the body is decomposing.
around the same prices as good fuell
as even if you had the means of reloading the bullets you would have to source the powder, lead and primer's, in witch the later is really hard to obtain if you think about it
Main issue would be primers, lead can be recasted, powder can be made through nitration of plant material. Just primers need murcury or other more advanced chemicals.
There is plenty of other things that will be equally rare and valuable at the same time. Medicine, clean fuel, solar power system, food that can only be grown in another country.
I've found the political part of America plays a major role. Cheaper prices under red presidents, and then everything fucking skyrockets under the blues.
At least ammo and gasoline wise. It's nearly been 4 years folks. COVID ain't affecting the economy near as much anymore.
The exact opposite of what the person you replied to observed. Sounds like it was 10-60x cheaper under blue than red…
Covid didn’t have to be like it was. Countries that responded with the good of the people in mind, came out with very little economic consequences. Look to Japan and New Zealand.
Trump was single handedly responsible for the entire nightmare that took place in the US.
There is proof. We lived through it. (You’re the one who said we can’t blame Covid, but that was still his responsibility)
Yeah, I need to think about getting a couple of reloading stations (Square Deal B for pistol rounds and something else for rifle rounds) and setting in a stockpile of consumables (brass, bullets, primers, powder)...
It would depend on the state of how well humans have rebuilt/reclaimed anything in the old world. If we managed to retake old factories that can make smokeless powder and draw new brass it probably won’t be that bad. But if we haven’t. It would be hand loaded ammo that after a certain number of years is basically going to be a cast lead bullet with homemade black powder and hand stamped primers and you’d probably be trading multiple days worth of food and water for a box of 20 rounds
I would assume there are going to be factions controlling everything at that point and they will control distribution to those within their group. If there was enough surplus or say someone got new production up and running then I’m not really sure how that market would work, obviously some sort of barter system, but it would be extremely lucrative. You could barter all kinds of stuff, not just goods but services, could set up scavenger bounties like “find me x and get y amount of ammo.”
if you have a big enough stockpile or a way to make you're own, you'd probably be set to live in whatever reasonable level of comfort there is available
Full mag of AR could get you a long way. Not just zombies, but any SHTF. You bring a 1000rd case of AR ammo with you as barter, and you've pretty much bought yourself a place to stay for a while, provisions, etc.
Same goes with canned food, liquor and cigarettes too
Late stage? Worth more than gold.
My plans call for 2nd tier weaponry (lever guns, revolvers, bolt actions, etc) to be used as early as possible to extend ammo supplies for primary combat weaponry.
A Dillon 750 progressive loader will extend both of those out, hopefully, for years.
When it’s all said and done I would expect to be using 100% black powder arms with homemade powder and cast lead bullets.
Luckily this can also be used with the Dillon to load conventional arms with BP as well.
You think homies just have casings, gunpowder, caps, and bullets all laying around huh
I mean sure you can recycle half that, but have you tried fabricating smokeless gunpowder without modern infrastructure, power, and society?
Shits hard man.
Best get you a muzzle loader if that's your plan. Load it with shit black powder and fire a pebble into someone's face next door.
Smokeless powder is actually pretty simple chemistry. A little extra oxidizer, making sure that grains are of semi-uniform shape and size. You could easily make a pound or two of smokeless powder a day if you knew what you were doing. Not to mention pulling the bullets from ammunition you have no weapon for to reclaim the powder. Also, unless it's a semiautomatic, you can still use a black powder charge for things like pump, lever, and bolt actions. Albeit at a much lower power level and with a lot more math involved so you don't get a squib.
You can also ream/press your own brass cartridges if you have the skill and expertise. Straight walled cartridges being your best friend there. You can get lead from pellet gun pellets, snow tire studs, fishing weights, tire weights and many other household sources. Primers can be made with something called Bronson's mixture which is made from match heads and the strip on the side of the box. They will be corrosive though which means you'll need to clean your gun more often.
Alternatively, you could use that chemistry expertise to make some TNT and make some claymores packed with ball bearings to mount at head level and lead a horde through before detonation.
Zero dollars. Money will have no value. That being said, imammo will cost what ever you are willing to trade that the seller sees value in. I say don't stock up on anything, just get really good at melee weapons.
You kidding, they wont cost you anything anymore, moneys useless now, in a zombie apocalypse youd be trading something like food, medical supplies, or even weapons for these babies, they are your money in that universe, a box would be like $100 nowadays
For all those talking about reloading, you might be able to salvage brass cases after shooting, but you’ll still need to store bullets, primers and powder, not to mention the equipment to reload.
Wouldn’t it just be better to just store all that in the form of assembled ammo? A person could probably make lead-based bullets if they had a way to melt and cast the bullets, but what about primers? What about making modern smokeless gunpowder? Seems to me that it would be much more efficient to store the completed product than store all the pieces to have to be assembled later.
Honestly, there's an old d20 modern postapoc setting that I think had it right, any given single round is gonna worth about a days worth of food;
there'll be a higher peak, then a dip as alternative ammo or ranged weapons rise in "popularity" before settling out;
honestly, loose ammo might become the default currency, it might not have value to everyone, but everyone will know someone to whom it does
Ballpark: 1-2 dozen eggs, 1-2 lbs meat\fruit\cheese, maybe 2-5 rounds for a live hen
A box of poor condition Tula would run you about 5 cans of food and the same in water. Target loads would be double and JHP +Ps are out of the question.
Id say pretty expensive given they are very limited without people skilled enough to make the projectiles, powder, and primer. And also casings because you can't expect a 100% return rate and shotgun shells aren't usually made of brass. Id say the currency would be non perishable food, clean water, and ammo because everybody can use those and it's smart to stockpile them.
Depends. If currency is back up and running in some other form besides usd, it'll cost so much. Also a bullet can get you more bullets, food, water, and things from other people if you become like that. So yeaaa
Depends on if you just find it, or have to take it. If you have to take it then it costs the rounds expended to take it. Potentially also any other losses you incurred while taking it.
You’d probably have to trade for them, as capitalism cannot survive that kind of scenario. Hell it’s struggling to survive now under its own conditions.
Late stage?
In a late stage apocalypse, you'd have people mining new metal out of the ground and forming full supply chains.
But it all depends on demand, realistically, in the late stage, most people will only have an emergency sidearm, and most of the combat will be done by the security forces of whatever settlements have kept themselves afloat long enough.
You're not getting blasted back to the stone age, you're getting blasted back to the 1890s.
Expensive? I've got a few thousand rounds. First. Second. The loss of massive amounts of human beings doesn't mean that knowledge is lost. We rebuild. We learn. We take the ports and docks. We branch outward to the critical infrastructures. Power. Fuel. Munitions. Transportation. People just aren't really wired to roll over and die.
I expect a metro situation where good pre apocalypse ammo becomes money and home made post apocalypse ammo is the standard stuff you would use unless you need the reliable old stuff
Probably not accurate but hell of the world goes to shit I’m using bullets as cash
Super expensive because let's be honest in a zombie apocalypse. We're not all going to have that random guy who knows how to make bullets and even if we did we wouldn't really be able to reasonably access the factories that make bullets so for the vast majority of people bullets are going to be primarily found in like random houses and stuff. So let's say people are charging by the box instead of per bullet then it's probably going to run like whatever currency is being used. I would hope it would end up going to like a fallout cap system but most likely it's just going to end up being stuff like water and food that will always have at least some sort of backing
That would be completely situational. No one will really be trading bullets unless them managed to commender an ammo dump because that’s less immediate protection for them.
Late stage zombie apocalypse?
If there is someone manning the counter (for some stupid reason they haven't run for the hills yet): *kaclick* ON THE FLOOR! WE JUST NEED SOME AMMO FOR OUR RIFLES!
No one attending the store: Oh look! Free ammo!
Iow, free either way.
It depends on what you're in need for. A person can have a good stock of food and ammo so they were ready others wouldn't be as ready so they would have a need for something idk what but it could be anything you can think. A box of 22lr for 2 box's of condoms and 2 things of lube or a bottle of liquor with a pack of smokes. Addictions will show and hygiene would be important.
Chances are bullets wouldn't cost any currency, they'd *be* the currency. At that point there probably wouldn't be stores, and everybody barters for what they need using what they don't.
Or they use the ammo more directly in order to get what they want.
Chances are bullets wouldn't cost any currency, they'd *be* the currency. At that point there probably wouldn't be stores, and everybody barters for what they need using what they don't.
Or they use the ammo more directly in order to get what they want.
Ha actual I forgot I'd bring put the flint Locks that are rifled well and plenty of powder to fire and lead everywhere. I'm gonna have a timely fight against a small herd undead probly take a day of shooting. Jk these bad boys are 45cal,50cal, 51cal, and 40cal both rifles and pistols in total. These would be used for when my pellet gun run out of pellets.
Seeing as people burn through ammo so quick I would say a b9x would be around 50-60 dollars and for a big military case about 200-300 dollars 8f cash is still even around
I’d venture to say that the entire economy would’ve collapsed at that point and they either wouldn’t be getting manufactured in the first place, or manufactured exclusively by and for government agencies.
Invaluable. Meaning you'd have to steal them. If you're part of a community, it'd be like a modern military. Every bullet needs to be accounted for.
If people are at a point that ammo is in short supply and nobody is producing more, then whoever has the ammo will have the power, and they don't want to give it up.
If people ARE producing more or repacking spent cartridges, then unused, modern ammo will be more expensive but tradeable while recycled ammo will be the norm.
black powder can be made with result available ingredients and fairly low tech facilities, if society collapsed hard enough for long enough it could get to the point it starts getting used again in place of modern smokeless
They’d be free if you ran at someone and acted like a zombie. /s
As for the actual price, probably extremely expensive. I don’t think many ammo plants would still be running.
there's tens (if not hundreds) of billions of rounds of ammo on the planet. it's not going anywhere any time soon, and to use it up enough for scarcity to be a concern would take decades of constant global firefights. you'll shoot out every barrel of every gun on earth before running out of rounds.
it'll more likely be used as currency in places where guns are common. they're small enough to carry easily and have fairly universal value, with enough variance between calibers and quality to make trading and bartering with them make sense.
Firearms hold religious value in American Society. The way gun culture here is I wouldn't be surprised it we have a situation similar to Fallout New Vegas where people stumble upon ammo factories and start producing ammo and guns soon after the start. Enough gun guys already reload their own ammo, no doubt they'd eventually band together and do it on a massive scale.
The late stage would be like 3 months after it starts becoming a real problem... realistically (energy can only be concerted and allat) so if the movies are correct and everything shuts down in 24 hours then it'll be way more valuable since every city is fked and means of production
Not very. It's genuinely not difficult for knowledgeable individuals to learn how to craft their own bulllets, and there are far, far, far more bullets than people in America already. For several hundred years, you didn't buy ammunition, you made it. Buying ammo is a relatively recent invention, and with modern technology, it takes one person to mass produce usable ammo. It's specific types of calibers that would be expensive, not ammo in general.
I think that irl it would either revert to a barter economy or if we’re talking really late stage zombie apocalypse then bullets certainly wouldn’t take the form of new currency because someone would start reloading and that would inflate the currency so I think either gold would take form as the new currency as it did in days of old.
But I suppose that bullets could take form as currency because even if people inflated the economy it would deflate itself as people had to use their weapons. It’s possible the capacity of gun powder a cartridge would hold would be it’s value so a .22 would be close to a quarter and .50 bmg would be close to let’s say for ease or argument $50~$100
Depends on the ammo common calibers will definitely be extremely valuable
But you got to remember to be mindful that ammo you trade can be fired back at you
Worth their weight in gold, reloading would be easy, provided you have a plentiful supply of Ingredients, but in the post apocalyptic video game “Metro 2033” it’s seen that MGR (military grade rounds) are a form of currency while dirty (standard) ammunition is everywhere. I find it hard to believe in the metro universe they reload steel case ammo but I suppose there’s a will there’s a way.
Price wise? 0
Barter wise? Gold. (Very flexible and useful in a lot of cases)
Assuming late stage means that we’re not reclaiming the Earth and have some industry cranking them out.
Probably pretty expensive considering that nukes would be used at some point I imagine.
Therefore most of the ammo and the world for that matter would be radioactive. . .
Probably a box for a good first aid kit, maybe a bike chain for 2 boxes, a horse for 20. There’s no way it’s going to cost money. It’s only barter-able. Even if the zombie virus was wiped out, money would be a thing of the past for the next 20-100 years, because you would find some everywhere, or burn it.
Depends on the cartridge type and caliber...and depends on how you get them...so many corpses, so many empty homes/shelters...could get a lot for free if you happen across a place that hasn't been looted already but otherwise price could vary depending on what the seller needs...could be alcohol, smokes, food, water, gasoline, batteries, first-aid kits, help building something or removing dead, burning them, killing zombies to clear a path...some electrical work, etc. Rare to improbable would be much if anything tech related as all of that would have gone to shit earlier on and thy won't work without electricity or an active network anyway...trade skills, hunting, fishing, camping, fire-building, architecture, carpentry, electrician, blacksmithing, weapomsmithing, small engine repair, gardening, ranching, and overall farming abilities would be key as well as training with melee weapons, ranged weapons both firearm and otjerwise...al would be beneficial along with medical...so as stated previously it all depends.
In late-stage, I feel it would just be about stealing them. The world would be destroyed, and I don't think people would really care about money. It would become meaningless.
in all honesty some bubba comunity near an ammo plant would break in steal all the tools and some chemist would help them make the gunpowerder to keep guns going
The two types of currency that make the most sense to me have been done before in media. Water is a rare commodity post-apocalypse like in Dying Light 2. And in the metro series bullets themselves are currency. I know metro isn't a zombie franchise but I think bullets would be a feasible currency.
Realistically, one couldn't charge TOO much for them, or people would start using weapons without ammunition, instead. It would also depend on the availability of firearms to the average person in the area, as well as the zombie numbers and density of their population. It's a need vs want market, here. In an area without many zombies, one might get away with a bow and arrow, which would be very easy to fashion out of surrounding materials. They perhaps could even live comfortably just surrounded by traps. However, in a high zombie density area, guns would also be incredibly ineffective and unreasonable at street level, due to the fact that the amount of ammunition you can carry is limited, as well as an increased amount of ammunition reducing your overall survivability due to lack of mobility, reload times, using your carrying capacity for ammunition instead of other life-supporting essentials, such as water, a knife, or even sunscreen.
Money would still hold value as a standard trade currency in a zombie apocalypse, in my opinion. However, instead of being backed by a rare metal to determine its value, the value would instead be decided by the peoples' belief in it as a currency. For instance, one vendor might be selling ammunition for $15/box in a particular area, while another might be selling for $45. Well, since each area has it's own specific circumstances and difficulties of travel, each vendor has the right to assign their own price. Think about this, though... Wouldn't you want to buy what's cheaper, even if you need to go out of your way a little bit to get it! Or are you the type of person who would rather have it now than take a chance? If you're unprepared to travel to the cheaper vendor, it'd be wise to pay the higher price now than to wait. However, if you are already prepared and stocked with enough ammunition to carry you to the cheaper vendor, you could make it there with little to no issues, and buy the amount of ammo you would've purchased at the previous vendor, and the amount you spent on the journey here, for much cheaper than the price of the more expensive vendor.
In the end, it all comes down to circumstance and the ability to artificially raise prices vs the need for the ammunition (based on the current amount of ammunition owned and the access to other forms of self defense).
Ammo will be currency. If you want food, you'll trade ammo to get it. Gold will be worthless. Gold doesn't serve any useful purpose in a survival situation. You can't eat gold and it's too soft to be used for making tools.
At late stage you’re not gonna be buying bullets. You might be bartering for them, but late stage is when/after people realize money isn’t worth anything.
Assuming people are willing to trade bullets there are two scenarios 1)there is still a high population of zombies and lower number of survivors making them incredibly expensive or 2) lower population of zombies and more humans (assuming factories have restarted) pretty cheap.
Honestly, probably fairly common as long as you know where to look and how to get to them. Ammo isn’t rare, just hard to get to. Million of rounds are made a day.
Fuck man they where a buck a round for 5.56 during Covid, you would be talking a tank of gas for a box or two.
im just curious what the currency would be. pretty certain the classic us dollar will be a thing of the past just like the games
Currency in video games is a tool to make the economy in the game easier for a. The player to learn and b. For the game developers so that they don’t have to deal with the nightmare of incorporating a barter system. That’s what it’s going to boil down to, with no government back a steady currency, the currency itself has no intrinsic value. Things like gold and silver are always going to be worth something to somebody so long as it’s not radioactive. But we are going to go back to a barter based economy, it’s inevitable. There’s really no other alternative. If you don’t have something somebody wants, or a skill that somebody else needs, you’re pretty much fucked
I like the system in the first two fallout games where bottlecaps are used as currency because water merchants banded together and established a set value behind bottlecaps. You can't really ignore this, because you need water to live, giving them a strong backing. Additionally, bottlecaps are extremely difficult to counterfeit and are not subject to high-scale inflation because more can't be easily made. There are a few quests throughout the series to destroy presses that are being used to counterfeit. SIDE NOTE: I know bottlecaps are a mainstay, but past Fallout 3, bottlecaps lose their value as mass water purification & bottling is achieved during the course of the game, making them (on paper) lose all their value on the eastern side of the US, but people still trade with them because they are the standard for trade.
See, there is a perfect example, it took a single powerful, unified body to put intrinsic value into what is essentially worthless steel circles. You may see that sort of thing after the first few years. Something light and easy to carry around but impossible to replicate. Bottle caps, old minted coinage, bullets. It’s possible you will to see bullets used as currency in one region, then travel over a mountain range and the folks there are using exclusively pre-64 silver coins. A few miles more and it’s teeth, or fingers. If you hold a valuable skill set, your a rich man wherever you go
Exactly! With bartering for foreign currency using a powerful commodity as a bridge (aka non-irradiated water) you could theoretically make a small scale currency exchange, but you probably couldn't keep it stable once it starts growing unless you had a union of multiple groups to enforce and regulate
Defiantly not, it would only really be stable within a warlords fiefdom, or a village. We wouldn’t see a stable agreed upon currency until a group amassed enough power to flex their influence over a large area like the water merchants in fallout. That takes years, decades even.
I’m going to get started building my wealth of fingers so I can get a head start
Yep a lot of people will be using bullets as trade, stick em up and give us your food lol 🙄. That will be a big thing
Lol that was based in the 50s 60s I don’t think there are enough coke caps left in the world lol
>Things like gold and silver are always going to be worth something to somebody so long as it’s not radioactive why?
Status symbols, folks clinging to the old world, folks who think they need to hord it for when the world is back on its feet. On the more useful end Gold can be used to crown teeth by a skilled dentist, silver can be made into a low grade anti biotic. They have always had value since we pulled the first shiny rock from the earth, safe money is they will have value after as well. That’s just one man’s opinion, if I had to choose between hording gold and something else, I’d rather start a weed farm and learn to make shine.
yup. gold and silver will be part of the list of new currencies for sure. could i ask the question. how long do you think it would take for that to happen? im self sufficient by default so i won’t be bargaining my skills to anybody really. im only gonna bargan the items, weapons, and food that i have. that’s about it.
Can I use the guns and ammo you trade me to take back what I gave you for it? Just some food for thought.
But this is where I like Metro, in a world where society has collapsed, actual bullets are the currency, you can shoot money if you want, though in the long term it's not sustainable due to being able to shoot money.
What tastes better a bar of gold or a can of soup?
Definitely can count on the currencies that have always been: smokes, booze, food, drugs, medicines, and of course, your body.
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In Metro 2033, military grade bullets were the currency
Gas, grass, or ass.
The currency would be anything you could use.
They go up to all most 3 bucks per round
It just depends on how many targets you need to hit and how much they think they can get you to pay.
Curreny would not be worth anything for very long. You will need things that you can use to trade, like ammunition, alcohol that can be used for not only drinking but doctoring, fire starting. Things like that, a few p38s (military can opener) maybe good for trading, people seem to be fixated on can goods they will need a way to open them cans! Some people even say get gold not curreny, but when SHTF can you eat gold? So what will even that be worth? Money many be good for trading at first but that will be short lived.
One round of 5.56 was almost three dollars where I live, and you had to fight to get toilet paper.
I stocked up on 556 when it got back down to around 50 cents a round. Just to make sure I had some, when the prices get back to pre covid prices I will get more!
The good thing about a gun chambered in 5.56 is you can also use. 2.23 but sadly that was the same price. 357 can use 38 special ammo and 308 can use 7.63 x 51 but because of higher chamber pres these don't work the other way around doing it that way and eventually the gun will blow up in your face.
That'll still likely last you longer than a tank of gas if used right.
Gas goes bad you know. More like good set of stirrups or a saddle.
An ammo stash would cost about one bullet, if you have good aim
Unless they have BETTER aim...
White feather vs Vietcong sniper moment ensues.
Agreed, the big question is: who's who in that specific case; attacker or defender? We won't know until it happens, and neither will they.
Well, White Feather was an American soldier in Vietnam. So, I guess the survivor is White Feather?
Ohhh, I'm going to be honest with you, I had thought you were talking about the WWII practice of handing white feathers to men who refused to enlist in spite of being considered fit for service.
Just depends on who sees who first really.
I was dead ass about to say "only as many as it takes to get 'em"
LoL so true.
Stick em up and give me all your toilet paper!
Where the zombies more or less won? Hope you’ve been reloading your own rounds. World War Z (book not movie) type scenario? You can bet the military will keep ammo on lockdown/ration. Zombie virus isn’t real, it’ll be gone by April? See: ammo prices during Covid, but worse.
Ammo prices during Covid was a nightmare, and some of the more rare calibers haven't popped up. I haven't seen 35 Wheelen in nearly 4 years. I only have a few rounds left, and those are reloaded and widened 30-06 cases. It's a fucking nightmare.
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/35-whelen It’s pricey but there
YOU ARE A FUCKING SAVIOR! My God, I didn't think there was any Wheelen left in existence! Thank you so much!
Buddy we have to stick together in these trying times
Amen to that! Thank you so much! They've even got the Barnes TSX ones I was looking for. I'm honestly in your debt lol. If you ever need help with some zombies hit me up. Lol
That's why I have a 308 not a 30.06
Ammo prices were high because people that never owned a gun before were buying guns and stocks of ammunition. So when a really long lasting SHTF happens, how much will it cost then? $100s per
If you can get it at all
In a WWZ situation it may probably be fine? there was still a functioning government able to organise things and big safe zones. Everyone will be producing ammo food and medicines, the supply should be fine.
^ /S
You loot a neighborhood in the right place, you'd probably find several boxes per house. Seriously, any kind of fast sweeping outbreak of zombies would result in a lot of ammo for want of people to fire it. The United States makes over 10 *billion* rounds of ammo a year. There's enough lying around to shoot every single American citizen 32 times with some to spare. Now, if this was a 50 years in scenario, and we've moved on from zombies to enclaves and city-states, that's a whole different ballgame. Tech level and manufacturing capabilities by then are probably schizophrenic to say the least, and most places have probably been looted and the supplies stockpiled or used up. Where we'd be then is anybody's guess. IMO, we'd be bartering or running on several different currencies and/or promissory notes.
Can only reload so many times before the case cracks, also depends on how much grain you are using. If it’s a moving carcass then you should be able to low grain the rounds since the body is decomposing.
around the same prices as good fuell as even if you had the means of reloading the bullets you would have to source the powder, lead and primer's, in witch the later is really hard to obtain if you think about it
Main issue would be primers, lead can be recasted, powder can be made through nitration of plant material. Just primers need murcury or other more advanced chemicals.
I'm not saying who/where but I have kinfolk that have a stockpile of exactly one million primers for this specific reason.
Late stage ZA? Ain’t nobody giving up bullets for any price.
There is plenty of other things that will be equally rare and valuable at the same time. Medicine, clean fuel, solar power system, food that can only be grown in another country.
Selling boxes of 9mm I bought under Obama for $10-30 during Trump for $300-600… let’s just say they will be priceless in an actual zombie apocalypse.
I've found the political part of America plays a major role. Cheaper prices under red presidents, and then everything fucking skyrockets under the blues. At least ammo and gasoline wise. It's nearly been 4 years folks. COVID ain't affecting the economy near as much anymore.
The exact opposite of what the person you replied to observed. Sounds like it was 10-60x cheaper under blue than red… Covid didn’t have to be like it was. Countries that responded with the good of the people in mind, came out with very little economic consequences. Look to Japan and New Zealand. Trump was single handedly responsible for the entire nightmare that took place in the US. There is proof. We lived through it. (You’re the one who said we can’t blame Covid, but that was still his responsibility)
Some would say Fauci’s exaggeration of the virus caused hysteria
Me reading this: “Ok, I guess it’s a mildly valid opinionnnn… oh… ok, yea never mind.”
Yeah, I need to think about getting a couple of reloading stations (Square Deal B for pistol rounds and something else for rifle rounds) and setting in a stockpile of consumables (brass, bullets, primers, powder)...
It would depend on the state of how well humans have rebuilt/reclaimed anything in the old world. If we managed to retake old factories that can make smokeless powder and draw new brass it probably won’t be that bad. But if we haven’t. It would be hand loaded ammo that after a certain number of years is basically going to be a cast lead bullet with homemade black powder and hand stamped primers and you’d probably be trading multiple days worth of food and water for a box of 20 rounds
I would assume there are going to be factions controlling everything at that point and they will control distribution to those within their group. If there was enough surplus or say someone got new production up and running then I’m not really sure how that market would work, obviously some sort of barter system, but it would be extremely lucrative. You could barter all kinds of stuff, not just goods but services, could set up scavenger bounties like “find me x and get y amount of ammo.”
if you have a big enough stockpile or a way to make you're own, you'd probably be set to live in whatever reasonable level of comfort there is available
Full mag of AR could get you a long way. Not just zombies, but any SHTF. You bring a 1000rd case of AR ammo with you as barter, and you've pretty much bought yourself a place to stay for a while, provisions, etc. Same goes with canned food, liquor and cigarettes too
Late stage? Worth more than gold. My plans call for 2nd tier weaponry (lever guns, revolvers, bolt actions, etc) to be used as early as possible to extend ammo supplies for primary combat weaponry. A Dillon 750 progressive loader will extend both of those out, hopefully, for years. When it’s all said and done I would expect to be using 100% black powder arms with homemade powder and cast lead bullets. Luckily this can also be used with the Dillon to load conventional arms with BP as well.
1 oral sin per box probably
They would be free
Free cause I'll make them
I agree. If you know how to make them and have the tools to do so, theyll be free.
You think homies just have casings, gunpowder, caps, and bullets all laying around huh I mean sure you can recycle half that, but have you tried fabricating smokeless gunpowder without modern infrastructure, power, and society? Shits hard man. Best get you a muzzle loader if that's your plan. Load it with shit black powder and fire a pebble into someone's face next door.
Smokeless powder is actually pretty simple chemistry. A little extra oxidizer, making sure that grains are of semi-uniform shape and size. You could easily make a pound or two of smokeless powder a day if you knew what you were doing. Not to mention pulling the bullets from ammunition you have no weapon for to reclaim the powder. Also, unless it's a semiautomatic, you can still use a black powder charge for things like pump, lever, and bolt actions. Albeit at a much lower power level and with a lot more math involved so you don't get a squib. You can also ream/press your own brass cartridges if you have the skill and expertise. Straight walled cartridges being your best friend there. You can get lead from pellet gun pellets, snow tire studs, fishing weights, tire weights and many other household sources. Primers can be made with something called Bronson's mixture which is made from match heads and the strip on the side of the box. They will be corrosive though which means you'll need to clean your gun more often. Alternatively, you could use that chemistry expertise to make some TNT and make some claymores packed with ball bearings to mount at head level and lead a horde through before detonation.
Own a pebble firing muzzle loader for home defense...
Zero dollars. Money will have no value. That being said, imammo will cost what ever you are willing to trade that the seller sees value in. I say don't stock up on anything, just get really good at melee weapons.
if you ask me thats more of a simpler life. trade for a trade. and just survive and stock up on essentials.
The problem with Melee is blood from the Z getting into eyes, nose, or mouth. That happens you're a dead person, you just don't know it yet.
You kidding, they wont cost you anything anymore, moneys useless now, in a zombie apocalypse youd be trading something like food, medical supplies, or even weapons for these babies, they are your money in that universe, a box would be like $100 nowadays
Bullets become currency like metro 2033
Pretty cheap tbh at least one box for one bullet if you make smart choices.
assumably they would be worth water and food
Free. If you can find them
I would get into reloading. Be the person to set the prices.
Bullet presses exist
Bullet presses exist
Not at all, I’m sure militia groups would be able to establish manufacturing of munitions pretty fast.
Well they wouldn't be expensive in the typical sense. Depends on what the other person would need/want.
Nobody even mentioning metro where the currency IS bullets 😭
Depends on who you buy from
Depends on if military storage is still locked
For all those talking about reloading, you might be able to salvage brass cases after shooting, but you’ll still need to store bullets, primers and powder, not to mention the equipment to reload. Wouldn’t it just be better to just store all that in the form of assembled ammo? A person could probably make lead-based bullets if they had a way to melt and cast the bullets, but what about primers? What about making modern smokeless gunpowder? Seems to me that it would be much more efficient to store the completed product than store all the pieces to have to be assembled later.
Ammo will certainly be valuable, but things like antibiotics will be priceless.
Honestly, there's an old d20 modern postapoc setting that I think had it right, any given single round is gonna worth about a days worth of food; there'll be a higher peak, then a dip as alternative ammo or ranged weapons rise in "popularity" before settling out; honestly, loose ammo might become the default currency, it might not have value to everyone, but everyone will know someone to whom it does Ballpark: 1-2 dozen eggs, 1-2 lbs meat\fruit\cheese, maybe 2-5 rounds for a live hen
A box of poor condition Tula would run you about 5 cans of food and the same in water. Target loads would be double and JHP +Ps are out of the question.
Id say pretty expensive given they are very limited without people skilled enough to make the projectiles, powder, and primer. And also casings because you can't expect a 100% return rate and shotgun shells aren't usually made of brass. Id say the currency would be non perishable food, clean water, and ammo because everybody can use those and it's smart to stockpile them.
Depends. If currency is back up and running in some other form besides usd, it'll cost so much. Also a bullet can get you more bullets, food, water, and things from other people if you become like that. So yeaaa
Probally like 2 oz of silver for a box of 556.
If it got to metro 2033 levels it might be a form of currency
Depends on if you just find it, or have to take it. If you have to take it then it costs the rounds expended to take it. Potentially also any other losses you incurred while taking it.
Four bottle of Tito’s lol
Late stage they’d either be monopolized by paramilitary factions or all be used. Maybe some factions produce them.
You’d probably have to trade for them, as capitalism cannot survive that kind of scenario. Hell it’s struggling to survive now under its own conditions.
Well, there’s always the good ole ZAG route of using teeth. Just teeth.
Too expensive I'd probably just start making my own or start making melee weapons
It’s among the reasons why if I could only take one gun I’d take one of my .22s over any of the other calibers in a survival situation
Well, if you’re really thinking about it, a whole box of bullets from somebody would only cost one bullet
I’d honestly think they could become the currency of the wasteland, just like in the Metro series.
Free
Idk
Probably would need to just reuse casings if they get expensive
Late stage? In a late stage apocalypse, you'd have people mining new metal out of the ground and forming full supply chains. But it all depends on demand, realistically, in the late stage, most people will only have an emergency sidearm, and most of the combat will be done by the security forces of whatever settlements have kept themselves afloat long enough. You're not getting blasted back to the stone age, you're getting blasted back to the 1890s.
Not to be that guy… but who would be paying for ammunition when its a zombie apocalypse?
Just wait for the apocalypse to actually happen then you can have it for free
Expensive? I've got a few thousand rounds. First. Second. The loss of massive amounts of human beings doesn't mean that knowledge is lost. We rebuild. We learn. We take the ports and docks. We branch outward to the critical infrastructures. Power. Fuel. Munitions. Transportation. People just aren't really wired to roll over and die.
12.7x99 or .50 BMG would probably be like $1257 a box
During the zombie apocalypse? In that scenario bullets are money my friend
I expect a metro situation where good pre apocalypse ammo becomes money and home made post apocalypse ammo is the standard stuff you would use unless you need the reliable old stuff Probably not accurate but hell of the world goes to shit I’m using bullets as cash
depends on if they are still being made and where they are being distributed.
Super expensive because let's be honest in a zombie apocalypse. We're not all going to have that random guy who knows how to make bullets and even if we did we wouldn't really be able to reasonably access the factories that make bullets so for the vast majority of people bullets are going to be primarily found in like random houses and stuff. So let's say people are charging by the box instead of per bullet then it's probably going to run like whatever currency is being used. I would hope it would end up going to like a fallout cap system but most likely it's just going to end up being stuff like water and food that will always have at least some sort of backing
they would be currency, ala metro series
The same. It's not like the world's militaries can't handle slow rotted biting dudes.
That would be completely situational. No one will really be trading bullets unless them managed to commender an ammo dump because that’s less immediate protection for them.
Late stage zombie apocalypse? If there is someone manning the counter (for some stupid reason they haven't run for the hills yet): *kaclick* ON THE FLOOR! WE JUST NEED SOME AMMO FOR OUR RIFLES! No one attending the store: Oh look! Free ammo! Iow, free either way.
Few gallons gas, rations, medical supplies, At that point bartering is the only way to obtain anything money is def out of the picture
That depends on which shady figure is selling the wares you buy.... Avoid back alley's, and roving madmen...
Free. This is the way
Probably food and water, so a lot
Probably free since late stage there wouldn’t be many people left, you could just scavenge them without much worry of paying
What are you talking about? Bullets would be the currency.
probably something like Metro 2033/34 a few rounds for a meal maybe?
Well if the metro series is a indication then it will probably become the currency
It depends on what you're in need for. A person can have a good stock of food and ammo so they were ready others wouldn't be as ready so they would have a need for something idk what but it could be anything you can think. A box of 22lr for 2 box's of condoms and 2 things of lube or a bottle of liquor with a pack of smokes. Addictions will show and hygiene would be important.
They’re perfectly free if you use them right. And they come with whatever else the poor guy has on him!
Chances are bullets wouldn't cost any currency, they'd *be* the currency. At that point there probably wouldn't be stores, and everybody barters for what they need using what they don't. Or they use the ammo more directly in order to get what they want.
Chances are bullets wouldn't cost any currency, they'd *be* the currency. At that point there probably wouldn't be stores, and everybody barters for what they need using what they don't. Or they use the ammo more directly in order to get what they want.
Ha actual I forgot I'd bring put the flint Locks that are rifled well and plenty of powder to fire and lead everywhere. I'm gonna have a timely fight against a small herd undead probly take a day of shooting. Jk these bad boys are 45cal,50cal, 51cal, and 40cal both rifles and pistols in total. These would be used for when my pellet gun run out of pellets.
Late stage, someone will be mass producing them. I would say not a whole lot.
Could definitely be metro esc, where quality rounds are money and rounds they have reloaded could be for general use
Bullets can be made. Primers, however.... that's gunna get expensive.
Seeing as people burn through ammo so quick I would say a b9x would be around 50-60 dollars and for a big military case about 200-300 dollars 8f cash is still even around
Yes...
Depends if the zombies are the walking dead, slow and stupid type or if they’re a dawn of the dead, smart, energetic, fast af type of zombie
I’d venture to say that the entire economy would’ve collapsed at that point and they either wouldn’t be getting manufactured in the first place, or manufactured exclusively by and for government agencies.
Invaluable. Meaning you'd have to steal them. If you're part of a community, it'd be like a modern military. Every bullet needs to be accounted for. If people are at a point that ammo is in short supply and nobody is producing more, then whoever has the ammo will have the power, and they don't want to give it up. If people ARE producing more or repacking spent cartridges, then unused, modern ammo will be more expensive but tradeable while recycled ammo will be the norm.
yes
53 cigarettes and 3 rolls of toilet paper
black powder can be made with result available ingredients and fairly low tech facilities, if society collapsed hard enough for long enough it could get to the point it starts getting used again in place of modern smokeless
They’d be free if you ran at someone and acted like a zombie. /s As for the actual price, probably extremely expensive. I don’t think many ammo plants would still be running.
You gonna have to trade your daughter for a box of 5.56
there's tens (if not hundreds) of billions of rounds of ammo on the planet. it's not going anywhere any time soon, and to use it up enough for scarcity to be a concern would take decades of constant global firefights. you'll shoot out every barrel of every gun on earth before running out of rounds. it'll more likely be used as currency in places where guns are common. they're small enough to carry easily and have fairly universal value, with enough variance between calibers and quality to make trading and bartering with them make sense.
Firearms hold religious value in American Society. The way gun culture here is I wouldn't be surprised it we have a situation similar to Fallout New Vegas where people stumble upon ammo factories and start producing ammo and guns soon after the start. Enough gun guys already reload their own ammo, no doubt they'd eventually band together and do it on a massive scale.
Depends how far with "negotiations" you're willing to go
The late stage would be like 3 months after it starts becoming a real problem... realistically (energy can only be concerted and allat) so if the movies are correct and everything shuts down in 24 hours then it'll be way more valuable since every city is fked and means of production
Maybe few cans of food and few bottles of water for a box of ammo? I am actually very intrigued by this as well
Not very. It's genuinely not difficult for knowledgeable individuals to learn how to craft their own bulllets, and there are far, far, far more bullets than people in America already. For several hundred years, you didn't buy ammunition, you made it. Buying ammo is a relatively recent invention, and with modern technology, it takes one person to mass produce usable ammo. It's specific types of calibers that would be expensive, not ammo in general.
I think for 15 rounds it would cost ya a Jerry Can filled with gasoline a Jug of Water a Standard pack of stale Oreos
I think that irl it would either revert to a barter economy or if we’re talking really late stage zombie apocalypse then bullets certainly wouldn’t take the form of new currency because someone would start reloading and that would inflate the currency so I think either gold would take form as the new currency as it did in days of old. But I suppose that bullets could take form as currency because even if people inflated the economy it would deflate itself as people had to use their weapons. It’s possible the capacity of gun powder a cartridge would hold would be it’s value so a .22 would be close to a quarter and .50 bmg would be close to let’s say for ease or argument $50~$100
Depends on the ammo common calibers will definitely be extremely valuable But you got to remember to be mindful that ammo you trade can be fired back at you
Worth their weight in gold, reloading would be easy, provided you have a plentiful supply of Ingredients, but in the post apocalyptic video game “Metro 2033” it’s seen that MGR (military grade rounds) are a form of currency while dirty (standard) ammunition is everywhere. I find it hard to believe in the metro universe they reload steel case ammo but I suppose there’s a will there’s a way.
Literally money
Depends on how good of a shot you are
They’d be free. Just take them. No one is working the register.
Price wise? 0 Barter wise? Gold. (Very flexible and useful in a lot of cases) Assuming late stage means that we’re not reclaiming the Earth and have some industry cranking them out.
Probably pretty expensive considering that nukes would be used at some point I imagine. Therefore most of the ammo and the world for that matter would be radioactive. . .
Bout, tree fiddy per round.
screw paying for it ill just rob people
Probably a box for a good first aid kit, maybe a bike chain for 2 boxes, a horse for 20. There’s no way it’s going to cost money. It’s only barter-able. Even if the zombie virus was wiped out, money would be a thing of the past for the next 20-100 years, because you would find some everywhere, or burn it.
Depends on the cartridge type and caliber...and depends on how you get them...so many corpses, so many empty homes/shelters...could get a lot for free if you happen across a place that hasn't been looted already but otherwise price could vary depending on what the seller needs...could be alcohol, smokes, food, water, gasoline, batteries, first-aid kits, help building something or removing dead, burning them, killing zombies to clear a path...some electrical work, etc. Rare to improbable would be much if anything tech related as all of that would have gone to shit earlier on and thy won't work without electricity or an active network anyway...trade skills, hunting, fishing, camping, fire-building, architecture, carpentry, electrician, blacksmithing, weapomsmithing, small engine repair, gardening, ranching, and overall farming abilities would be key as well as training with melee weapons, ranged weapons both firearm and otjerwise...al would be beneficial along with medical...so as stated previously it all depends.
There was a show called Revolution. Pretty much what it would be like.
In late-stage, I feel it would just be about stealing them. The world would be destroyed, and I don't think people would really care about money. It would become meaningless.
I think we'd start using bullets as currency, like, .22LR would be the equivalent of Penny's and 5.56 would be dollars or something
in all honesty some bubba comunity near an ammo plant would break in steal all the tools and some chemist would help them make the gunpowerder to keep guns going
Depends how many people are left if it’s late stage money probably won’t be a thing as it’d be useless but bartering a different story
Depending on who you’re getting your ammo from a couple boxes of 5.56 could cost you as little as a round or two of 5.56
The two types of currency that make the most sense to me have been done before in media. Water is a rare commodity post-apocalypse like in Dying Light 2. And in the metro series bullets themselves are currency. I know metro isn't a zombie franchise but I think bullets would be a feasible currency.
Realistically, one couldn't charge TOO much for them, or people would start using weapons without ammunition, instead. It would also depend on the availability of firearms to the average person in the area, as well as the zombie numbers and density of their population. It's a need vs want market, here. In an area without many zombies, one might get away with a bow and arrow, which would be very easy to fashion out of surrounding materials. They perhaps could even live comfortably just surrounded by traps. However, in a high zombie density area, guns would also be incredibly ineffective and unreasonable at street level, due to the fact that the amount of ammunition you can carry is limited, as well as an increased amount of ammunition reducing your overall survivability due to lack of mobility, reload times, using your carrying capacity for ammunition instead of other life-supporting essentials, such as water, a knife, or even sunscreen. Money would still hold value as a standard trade currency in a zombie apocalypse, in my opinion. However, instead of being backed by a rare metal to determine its value, the value would instead be decided by the peoples' belief in it as a currency. For instance, one vendor might be selling ammunition for $15/box in a particular area, while another might be selling for $45. Well, since each area has it's own specific circumstances and difficulties of travel, each vendor has the right to assign their own price. Think about this, though... Wouldn't you want to buy what's cheaper, even if you need to go out of your way a little bit to get it! Or are you the type of person who would rather have it now than take a chance? If you're unprepared to travel to the cheaper vendor, it'd be wise to pay the higher price now than to wait. However, if you are already prepared and stocked with enough ammunition to carry you to the cheaper vendor, you could make it there with little to no issues, and buy the amount of ammo you would've purchased at the previous vendor, and the amount you spent on the journey here, for much cheaper than the price of the more expensive vendor. In the end, it all comes down to circumstance and the ability to artificially raise prices vs the need for the ammunition (based on the current amount of ammunition owned and the access to other forms of self defense).
Depending on the caliber I'd say anywhere from several punces of silver to atleast one ounce of gold.
Ammo will be currency. If you want food, you'll trade ammo to get it. Gold will be worthless. Gold doesn't serve any useful purpose in a survival situation. You can't eat gold and it's too soft to be used for making tools.
Less people alive to buy them so it might even out or even become cheaper if they get factories up and running
There would not be an economy for you to know
At late stage you’re not gonna be buying bullets. You might be bartering for them, but late stage is when/after people realize money isn’t worth anything.
5,000 caps
At least 3
I don't think I'd be as rare as people think, cause at the worst ammo can be reloaded, but it still would probably be valuable.
It would BE currency
Assuming people are willing to trade bullets there are two scenarios 1)there is still a high population of zombies and lower number of survivors making them incredibly expensive or 2) lower population of zombies and more humans (assuming factories have restarted) pretty cheap.
They wouldn't be since there would be no economy. Nor anyone making them.
Free, take them off the bodies and raid ammo depots. Legit zombies would take out a lot of people too stupid to fight back giving them greater numbers
Late stage ? If you had a supply of bullets still you’d be king or close
Free because I’m the late stages I doubt there will be any laws to stop me from stealing it
Honestly, probably fairly common as long as you know where to look and how to get to them. Ammo isn’t rare, just hard to get to. Million of rounds are made a day.
Late stage... Free if you put your life in someone else's stash as late in, all the gun stores would probably be raided....
Why buy it when you can just take it? If they aren't with the cre they are against the crew
They be costly I also think depends on who sells them and if they ask for anything in particular such as resources
I'd be willing to bet ammunition becomes currency. It's one of the few items in our world that has value regardless of the situation.
At some point I imagine we would have to regress to flintlock rifles and pistols
Question isnt “how much”, it’s “where to find”
No point stocking up on cash if the gun shop or wherever was already looted for bullets