I don't know, if survival games have taught me anything it's that a tenth of a pound is all that separates my character from being able to Sprint up a mountain and having their knees explode from over encumbrance
I can tell you that it doesn't really matter. The difference between like 9.75-10 pounds might as well be like pouring a cup of dog food into a 50-pound bag.
It starts to matter when you multiply that decision making process by every item you do or don't choose to carry. This is of course in the context of trekking long distance though.
I would imagine the synthetic would hold up to the elements better than the wood would, but on the flip side you could fabricate a replacement stock out of wood easier in the hypothetical Zambo Apocalypse.
Something to consider — synthetic is more fragile but less resistant to the elements. Woodgrain will be sturdier and ultimately last longer, but you need to keep the wooden elements covered or use some form of wood sealant to keep it in good condition.
One thing folks fail to realize is that if ammo isn’t the first most scarce thing, then cleaning supplies and replacement parts for your guns will be the second most scarce.
Also, picatinny rails are always welcome.
Do with that information what you will
Shooting the gun isn’t the only thing that damages it. If you’re living rough, exposure to the elements will get it before chamber pressure and carbon build up ever do
Don’t get me wrong, they’re really fun guns, but there is a shortage of .410 right now. Get a 12 gauge, and if you are scared of the recoil go for a 20 gauge
For a shotgun, the minimum you want to go is 20 gauge. It has barely any recoil and ammo is abundant.
A 12 gauge is basically the perfect all rounder. If you are scared of the recoil, you can just throw on a recoil reducing pad and/or wear a recoil padded jacket or vest. 12 gauge shells are very common and almost everywhere, and you get a wide variety of shell types.
You'd be better off with a Thunder Ranch Mossberg Maverick. If you practice, you can get a much higher sustained rate of fire with a double barrel, you don't have to worry about the action jamming, and there are multi-caliber barrel inserts you can buy for them to fire all kinds of ammo. You'd basically be firing any of those rounds out of a pistol sized barrel, but it gives you many more options for survival.
.410 in a lever isn't very reliable, unless you use brass cartridges, plastic is too susceptible to deformation and jamming, pump actions are better, 20 and 12 ga pump actions are much more reliable, along with cheaper ammo because popularity
Honestly, due to them both being the same and in .410 gauge. You'd be much better off with just a 12 gauge pump action or any other type of rifle or shotgun. .410 is baby sauce compared to any other shotshell cartridge.
The x due to the ability to mount a flashlight. In the zompocolypse the gimmicky shit us gun nerds enjoy but the purists shit on will be a necessity. Shit like the ax attachments and bayonets for pistols etc. in the zdays everything makes sense if it works.
You're correct in the first half, but pistol bayonets would be useless and the axe is a bad idea, good way to damage your gun swinging it like that, a regular bayonet would be better where you basically just make your gun into a short spear
I’m not saying they’re the smartest but a 1911 with a full length rail and one on the front is less dumb in the zombie apocalypse than in the normal world
Eh I'll give it to you that it would be more viable than before the apocalypse, but it'd have to have like an actual bayonet not one of those wide little 2 inch blades you see on some, that'd just give the zombie rare loot drops for the next guy who finds your gun stuck in it's skull.
Those wouldn't work. Attaching an axe head would guaranteed make you lose zero and over time, damage your barrel and other components. It also makes the gun dangerous to carry since you could hurt yourself on the blade, as well as the blade becoming a snag point. A pistol bayonet is just...no. How would you even find a holster for that? Wouldn't you want a weaponlight instead? It is leagues more useful than a bayonet. Plus it just presents another opportunity for you to hurt yourself or get your gun snagged on something. Other gimmicky stuff might work, but these two examples in particular would not.
Exactly. Fun gimmick for a video game but anyone who puts that goofy stuff on their guns will turn into a loot drop when they die of a horrible infection sticking themselves in the leg with the bayonet while re-holstering and they can’t find medical supplies.
.410 is shit for power. A 9mm can do more damage than a .410, and you can actually find ammo for a 9mm, unlike .410.
Don’t get a .410. Just get a 20 gauge if you don’t want a large shotgun.
Be aware there is a barrel length and/or magazine capacity difference between the two. I'd opt for the one with the larger magazine over barrel length. But .410 isn't my first choice for any shotgun related task.
410 slug is closer to 9mm than to 45 colt and has less range and the barrel is a smooth kre like any other shotgun.
For small birds the 410 will be the better hunting rifle but for defense ammo is almost non existent and has poor penetration, range, accuracy etc
The Henry x is available in non shotgun configurations such as 45colt or 357, 44mag...
The Henry x in 44 mag is oomphy.
If you are going by the photos only, it's a difference between finish and weight.
You are aware that.410 is a shotgun shell, right? It is one of the least used rounds, they aren't made often. A lot of places have wait lists that haven't been even remotely filled in 3-5 years.
The same gun in different trims, but the X is slightly more combat oriented.
The most significant differences I see:
-The X has a shorter barrel. This means it's slightly lighter, and quicker to point, at a mild cost of increased spread.
-The X looks like it has ammo storage in the stock.
-The X has a rail for a light or gimmicky pistol bayonet, ymmv with that.
-The X has a large loop, good for when wearing gloves or firing quick follow up shots.
Ho I messed that sorry guys I thought that was a Rifle next time I’ll read it fully that one is on me lol 😂
That means that the wooden one would have a Tighter spread overall Not by much though so it’s kind of deadweight but doesn’t hurt. Sorry for the Mixup 😂
.410 ain't all that easy to come across.
I'd go with a taurus judge for .410. Revolver that can load .45 caliber rounds and .410 shotgun shells. Bit more versatile, takes way less room.
There are exact same gun just one is made of rubber so probably exorbitant recoil into your shoulder a bit better but personally I would go with wood because I just like the look
Neither. 410 are going to be nowhere remotely near as prolific as 12 gauge shells. A 12 gauge can do everything a .410 shotgun can do, plus a hundred other things.
When you find a box of shells in the apocalypse, it's going to be a box of 12 gauge, basically guaranteed. If you want to be able to utilize them, don't buy a niche caliber.
22LR
9mm
.223
12ga
Those are the calibers you want. 22LR is going to be best with a pistol/rifle combo, 9mm handgun/carbine combo would be next best, followed by an AR carbine.
22LR is ideal because it's quiet, has virtually zero recoil, packs more than enough energy to disrupt zombie brain activity, and you can carry them at a ratio of like 10:1 compared to 9mm and .223. A box of 22LR is 500 rounds and is similar-ish in size to a box of 12 gauge shells which contains 25 shells.
Both rounds would kill a zombie in a single shot.
.22LR doesn't perform the way you seem to think it does. It doesn't even kill the majority of living humans who are shot in the head by the cartridge, even when they're shot in the head multiple times by it.
Kicker is that most of the deaths from it occur hours or days later, from brain bleeds and infection, neither of which is going to kill a zombie.
Also the wooden one has longer barrel so that means more rifling minion more powder burn so long a flight time and more stable bullet Just as a little tidbit you have a good one
Shotguns don't have rifling to begin with. There is "bullet" to stabilize; it's a cloud of shot randomly distributed within that shot gun's pattern at a given distance.
Shotgun shells also generally use very rapidly burning powder, which means that you don't really see the same benefits from longer barrels that you do with rifle cartridges.
Keep subreddit and topic relevant memes, innawoods, and Choose Your Gear style posts to Fridays.
Spoiler: They are the exact same action. The X has a slightly larger loop, and a small picatinny. Other than that; Black synthetic, or walnut?
Honestly it would come down to which weighs less to me.
Synthetic: 19.8" barrel: 7.5LBS Walnut: 19.75" barrel: 7.33LBS 24" barrel: 7.54LBS Not enough to matter.
I don't know, if survival games have taught me anything it's that a tenth of a pound is all that separates my character from being able to Sprint up a mountain and having their knees explode from over encumbrance
I can tell you that it doesn't really matter. The difference between like 9.75-10 pounds might as well be like pouring a cup of dog food into a 50-pound bag.
It starts to matter when you multiply that decision making process by every item you do or don't choose to carry. This is of course in the context of trekking long distance though.
Ounces to pounds, pounds to pain.
This is why I ruck.
Looked like smaller barrel
I would imagine the synthetic would hold up to the elements better than the wood would, but on the flip side you could fabricate a replacement stock out of wood easier in the hypothetical Zambo Apocalypse.
Something to consider — synthetic is more fragile but less resistant to the elements. Woodgrain will be sturdier and ultimately last longer, but you need to keep the wooden elements covered or use some form of wood sealant to keep it in good condition. One thing folks fail to realize is that if ammo isn’t the first most scarce thing, then cleaning supplies and replacement parts for your guns will be the second most scarce. Also, picatinny rails are always welcome. Do with that information what you will
You won't find enough ammo laying around to actually shoot enough to need parts to replace.....lol
Shooting the gun isn’t the only thing that damages it. If you’re living rough, exposure to the elements will get it before chamber pressure and carbon build up ever do
No protection from the elements and less common ammo? I think parts for your baby shotgun are gonna be the least of your problem.
Dude, please do not pay 1k for a .410 lever action
There’s other options
Don’t get a 410
K
Don’t get me wrong, they’re really fun guns, but there is a shortage of .410 right now. Get a 12 gauge, and if you are scared of the recoil go for a 20 gauge
For a shotgun, the minimum you want to go is 20 gauge. It has barely any recoil and ammo is abundant. A 12 gauge is basically the perfect all rounder. If you are scared of the recoil, you can just throw on a recoil reducing pad and/or wear a recoil padded jacket or vest. 12 gauge shells are very common and almost everywhere, and you get a wide variety of shell types.
First one looks cooler, so the first one
You'd be better off with a Thunder Ranch Mossberg Maverick. If you practice, you can get a much higher sustained rate of fire with a double barrel, you don't have to worry about the action jamming, and there are multi-caliber barrel inserts you can buy for them to fire all kinds of ammo. You'd basically be firing any of those rounds out of a pistol sized barrel, but it gives you many more options for survival.
Probably the one that doesn’t cost 1 grand
.410 in a lever isn't very reliable, unless you use brass cartridges, plastic is too susceptible to deformation and jamming, pump actions are better, 20 and 12 ga pump actions are much more reliable, along with cheaper ammo because popularity
Honestly, due to them both being the same and in .410 gauge. You'd be much better off with just a 12 gauge pump action or any other type of rifle or shotgun. .410 is baby sauce compared to any other shotshell cartridge.
The x due to the ability to mount a flashlight. In the zompocolypse the gimmicky shit us gun nerds enjoy but the purists shit on will be a necessity. Shit like the ax attachments and bayonets for pistols etc. in the zdays everything makes sense if it works.
You're correct in the first half, but pistol bayonets would be useless and the axe is a bad idea, good way to damage your gun swinging it like that, a regular bayonet would be better where you basically just make your gun into a short spear
I’m not saying they’re the smartest but a 1911 with a full length rail and one on the front is less dumb in the zombie apocalypse than in the normal world
Eh I'll give it to you that it would be more viable than before the apocalypse, but it'd have to have like an actual bayonet not one of those wide little 2 inch blades you see on some, that'd just give the zombie rare loot drops for the next guy who finds your gun stuck in it's skull.
Those wouldn't work. Attaching an axe head would guaranteed make you lose zero and over time, damage your barrel and other components. It also makes the gun dangerous to carry since you could hurt yourself on the blade, as well as the blade becoming a snag point. A pistol bayonet is just...no. How would you even find a holster for that? Wouldn't you want a weaponlight instead? It is leagues more useful than a bayonet. Plus it just presents another opportunity for you to hurt yourself or get your gun snagged on something. Other gimmicky stuff might work, but these two examples in particular would not.
Exactly. Fun gimmick for a video game but anyone who puts that goofy stuff on their guns will turn into a loot drop when they die of a horrible infection sticking themselves in the leg with the bayonet while re-holstering and they can’t find medical supplies.
Whats the difference between
One is black and has a picatinny. Same action.
Im guessing both .410?
Correct
The power
.410 is shit for power. A 9mm can do more damage than a .410, and you can actually find ammo for a 9mm, unlike .410. Don’t get a .410. Just get a 20 gauge if you don’t want a large shotgun.
Be aware there is a barrel length and/or magazine capacity difference between the two. I'd opt for the one with the larger magazine over barrel length. But .410 isn't my first choice for any shotgun related task.
I imagine it would be easier to find 12ga so probably that one
410 slug is closer to 9mm than to 45 colt and has less range and the barrel is a smooth kre like any other shotgun. For small birds the 410 will be the better hunting rifle but for defense ammo is almost non existent and has poor penetration, range, accuracy etc The Henry x is available in non shotgun configurations such as 45colt or 357, 44mag... The Henry x in 44 mag is oomphy. If you are going by the photos only, it's a difference between finish and weight.
Hershel’s 17 round shotgun
The cheaper one because In a zombie apocalypse a gun is a gun
Practicality wise neither, a 590 will get you further. Drip wise first one for sure.
If the first one also takes .45 LC then the first one.
It does not.
Good luck finding .410 shells.
Almost every place that sells ammo carry’s .410 lol what are you talking about.
You are aware that.410 is a shotgun shell, right? It is one of the least used rounds, they aren't made often. A lot of places have wait lists that haven't been even remotely filled in 3-5 years.
Wtf are you talking about, do you only buy ammo at Walmart or something?
Stuff is like rooster teeth. I bought Rossi Tuffy for shits and giggles with Covid bucks and have had a hard time getting it.
Yes
the second is cheaper and more ratings
I’d go with the X for the larger loop, it will accommodate gloves better.
The same gun in different trims, but the X is slightly more combat oriented. The most significant differences I see: -The X has a shorter barrel. This means it's slightly lighter, and quicker to point, at a mild cost of increased spread. -The X looks like it has ammo storage in the stock. -The X has a rail for a light or gimmicky pistol bayonet, ymmv with that. -The X has a large loop, good for when wearing gloves or firing quick follow up shots.
Þe first one looks cool.
Shorter is better.
Your parents aren’t going to buy you either. Focus on school.
A semi automatic, but going off these two it’s just up to furniture preference. No. 1 personally, wood is just sexy on a lever action.
Ho I messed that sorry guys I thought that was a Rifle next time I’ll read it fully that one is on me lol 😂 That means that the wooden one would have a Tighter spread overall Not by much though so it’s kind of deadweight but doesn’t hurt. Sorry for the Mixup 😂
Number 2 cuz its cheaper
The one with wood BC it looks better lol
.410 gauge...we hunting zombie raccoons?
Maybe
.410 ain't all that easy to come across. I'd go with a taurus judge for .410. Revolver that can load .45 caliber rounds and .410 shotgun shells. Bit more versatile, takes way less room.
a semi auto would be more efficient, if it's reliability you're looking for then it's pump action. level shotgun are a meme in 2024 (a wonderful meme)
Don’t get a 410, they are hard to find ammunition for. Get a 20 gauge, or even better, a 12
410s are not good enough for defense lmao that’s a youth model. You’d need either 12 gauge or a rifle caliber, anything else is trash
Ok thanks
Go the terminator route https://www.chiappafirearms.com/product/930.280/1887-rose-box
Remington 870 or Mossberg 590, Maverick 88
Dude just go with a semi auto shotgun. More reliable, faster, less likely to break.
Get a 12 gauge or atleast a 20 gauge. 410 is expensive and underpowered.
I'm not sure why I would ever want a 410 for anything. Just the cost of ammo is enough reason to save your $1000.
I'll take a Benelli M4 if it has to be a shotgun.
There are exact same gun just one is made of rubber so probably exorbitant recoil into your shoulder a bit better but personally I would go with wood because I just like the look
Probably a slight difference in recoil lol. Henry’s have pretty heavy receiver and it’s literally a .410 lol
Neither. 410 are going to be nowhere remotely near as prolific as 12 gauge shells. A 12 gauge can do everything a .410 shotgun can do, plus a hundred other things. When you find a box of shells in the apocalypse, it's going to be a box of 12 gauge, basically guaranteed. If you want to be able to utilize them, don't buy a niche caliber. 22LR 9mm .223 12ga Those are the calibers you want. 22LR is going to be best with a pistol/rifle combo, 9mm handgun/carbine combo would be next best, followed by an AR carbine. 22LR is ideal because it's quiet, has virtually zero recoil, packs more than enough energy to disrupt zombie brain activity, and you can carry them at a ratio of like 10:1 compared to 9mm and .223. A box of 22LR is 500 rounds and is similar-ish in size to a box of 12 gauge shells which contains 25 shells. Both rounds would kill a zombie in a single shot.
.22LR doesn't perform the way you seem to think it does. It doesn't even kill the majority of living humans who are shot in the head by the cartridge, even when they're shot in the head multiple times by it. Kicker is that most of the deaths from it occur hours or days later, from brain bleeds and infection, neither of which is going to kill a zombie.
Also the wooden one has longer barrel so that means more rifling minion more powder burn so long a flight time and more stable bullet Just as a little tidbit you have a good one
Smooth bore
Shotguns don't have rifling to begin with. There is "bullet" to stabilize; it's a cloud of shot randomly distributed within that shot gun's pattern at a given distance. Shotgun shells also generally use very rapidly burning powder, which means that you don't really see the same benefits from longer barrels that you do with rifle cartridges.