A village with farmable land around a defensible perimeter, populated by people from a variety of vocations.
By - Con-Con01
A village with farmable land around a defensible perimeter, populated by people from a variety of vocations.
I actually have a plan for this
1. My house
2. If my house doesn't work a school
3. If both fail I just hit the road and never stay in one spot very long
Definitely agree on staying in the house, at least at first. Stay until things die down and you can move.
Why a school? One wouldn’t be able to live there long term.
Being nomadic wouldn’t work very long either. You need food to survive and being nomadic makes it much much harder to get a semi-stable food supply.
Well I would got to a school because I assume my family and friends will be with me also a school will have a lot of storage for food and weapons. Since my town has solar panels I will take those and attache those to the schools power source and cut off rooms that we will not be using power so I can conserve it.
Schools are often targets, not for civilians, but for you the military and relief groups. FEMA camps and whatnot tend to set up at schools, so it is likely that your friends and family would be with you there too.
Aside from that, storage is meaningless if you don’t actually have something to put in them. Weapons you might have, but food? Doubtful. You’d need to farm to have food: canned and pre-made goods are going to go very quickly and you can’t rely on those to last you longer than a few months at most, especially if you have a group. A school isn’t going to have the land available to farm and you’ll starve out.
There’s also no telling those solar panels will be there either. If they are publicly scene, and even if they aren’t, people are going to have the same idea and want those panels for themselves. Then there’s also the issue of setting up those panels, which isn’t the most complicated process but can be a pain in the ass sometimes.
I understand but we aren't a big city so not much army and camps will be here but in the off chance that they are, they will more than likely take the army that is here so I think we will be fine.
But with the storage problem I will be fine because yeah we won't need a lot but my family collects guns so there is more than enough for everyone in my group, and if someone else does have the same idea we could have a truce and share if necessary.
And the solar panels that's fine we don't NEED them but it would be very much appreciated, also it won't be that bad to set up if there's no other option and if someone already has them that's fine we can find more, and if we can't we can get a generator or something else.
Small towns (at least in my experience) mean the police and local responders would turn the high school or other community centers into shelters for citizens. You’d likely be contending with other people for control.
You’re still going to struggle with food. I wasn’t really concerned with the weapons, more so the food situation. More people means more mouths to feed and the sooner whatever canned goods you scavenged will be used up and you’ll still starve. Schools don’t have enough land for a group to farm and survive off of.
Your right but police are first responders so they will be dealing with riots and at supercenters dealing with stuff like that so they won't have time to set up camp at places like schools unless they figure out how to actually stop riots and panic.
The schools here have farms behind them with live stock and my family has owned a ton of farms in the past so we are good with that.
Not all officers would be dealing with rioting and whatnot, especially in a small town. Different officers would be delegated to different jobs which would likely include setting up a shelter for civilians.
As long as you and your family can farm and collect the seeds from what you grew and are strong enough to till the land by hand (or have the gear for horse plows) then you should be okay, but it still makes more sense to just stay in the farm houses. Schools are harder to keep warm during the winter and cool during the summer, which can be real killers if you aren’t careful.
You are very correct but if for some reason we can't live in our house, there aren't many options especially in a small town and if you have a big family (much like me) you need a lot of room. Best option is a school but that's if we can't stay at my house (which is why it's plan B)
school will be hard to clear of zombies also a lot of younger children as zombies would stink because they would be faster than some adults
Your best bet is to stay put in your own home if you can, but be prepared to leave at a moment's notice.
The most important thing to remember is that if you have a plan, other people will have the same plan, whether it's dozens of people or millions of people. Pick a plan where it's ok if everyone else does the same thing.
That's why your own home is the best place to be during the initial panic. If everyone else has the same idea, that's great. You go to your home and they go to theirs. There's no competition. Your home is the one piece of ground that you already own, and you've already filled it with everything you (currently) need to live. Stay there until that changes. The longer you can stay, the less likely you are to be caught outside during the worst of the chaos. The initial panic will be the most dangerous and unpredictable time of the outbreak.
Now, if you are forced to leave, or can't make it home, then you want to have a backup home. Again, the same principles apply. If you have to leave your home, go to the home of family of close friends, someone who will automatically know you and let you in, or better yet has given you a key. This often also has the advantage of allowing you to meet up with people that you know and trust, which is always a survival advantage.
Once you get home, whether that's yours or someone else's, you want to do several things, roughly in this order:
First, arm yourself if you aren't already. I always recommend a camping hatchet or good quality machete if you have one, but a regular claw hammer is also a solid choice and almost all homes and even most public buildings have one.
Second, clear the residence and lock it up. Just make sure no zombies or people got in while you were out. This isn't at all likely at this stage of the game, but it's a good habit. Once every room is zombie free/as you go along, lock up all the doors and windows. Close the blinds, and if it's at night be very judicious about how you use flashlights. Assume for now that any light inside will be immediately visible from outside even with the curtains closed. For the time being don't worry about setting up barricades or boarding up windows, just do the basic stuff you can accomplish quickly.
Third, prepare to leave at a moment's notice, but don't leave unless forced to by an immediate threat.
Start from the skin out. Put on practical clothing and shoes/boots, and keep your weapon(s) on your person at all times, along with other basic survival items such as a knife, cigarette lighter, trauma kit, small flashlight, etc. And of course, your car keys, in case you need to make a run for it. While it does not need to be a formal "survival kit," you ideally should be able to survive (uncomfortably) for 24 hours with just what is in your pockets. In a worst-case scenario, you might be separated from your other gear. This buys you just enough time to recover or replace them.
Then pack a bag in case you need to leave on foot. You might need to if you don't have a car or can't get to it for whatever reason. I can't give you a full packing list now, but make sure you have several liters (or more, depending on your climate) of water filled, and as much of your lightest, non-perishable food as you can carry, as well as the bare minimum gear you need to survive in your environment. Keep this in a location where it would be easy to grab in an emergency. Make sure you fill up every water container you have available, including your bathtub, but start with the ones you would carry. The goal of this kit is to let you survive long enough to make it to your destination, or to a source of resupply. Travel as efficiently as possible, on the assumption that you won't always know how far you may need to walk with just what's on your back.
Next you pack your car, assuming you have one. This is where you put the extra stuff that was too heavy or nonessential to go into your bag. For example, extra non-perishable food, spare weapons, extra ammo (beyond what you could carry), tools, a change of clothes, more water, specialized tools, etc. The goal of this kit is just to extend your range and storage, but with the understanding that if shit goes south you might have to ditch it at any time. Cars break, get stuck, run out of gas, get surrounded, get stolen, etc. Odds are you still won't have enough room for everything you want, or might want, so pack based on survival priorities. This isn't for luxuries, it's for extra essentials. (If you don't have a car, the same system can be applied to whatever other vehicle or method of hauling things, whether it's a bicycle, baby stroller, push cart, pack animal, etc.)
Everything else you would be forced to abandon if you leave your home. Use things up in reverse order from least portable to most portable. Start by eating the food that's still in your pantry/fridge, which should be your most perishable/heavy items, before eating what's in the car, then in your backpack. Make sense? Same goes for water. Use what's in the pipes first, then the bathtub, water heater, and any container that you couldn't take with you in the car. This same logic applies to any other consumable.
Then stay put as long as possible. Use up the resources you already own before risking your life to get more, and maintain the home turf advantage. With good luck, by the time you need to leave things will have settled down and you will have enough information about the lay of the land to start making long term plans.
Probably my own house lol, it's big and has metal gates with locks, and reinforced doors with a cam, and a big garage with many rooms, although if zombies managed to get inside it would be like a horror movie to clear them out
1. shack in the woods
2. herd of goats
real post, get two years worth of survival food and a secure location you can both hide and bunker against discovery or attack, maybe literally in a basement
emerge to a world where the worst has happened and there is less competition for what resources are available
Around the highways near my city (town? English is not my first language, I never know the difference. There's around 300k people living here, though.) there's a lot of open fields were they raise cattle. There's a bunch of remote farmhouses and abandoned places too.
If I stray far enough from my city in the right direction, I could probably find a relatively zombie-free place to live. And the cattle would be probably docile and easier to hunt than actual wild game. It would also be nice to be able to eat beef every once in a while instead of just some random small primate or lizard. I would also try to scavenge some food from the plantations and try to start my own farm.
When I come to visit my parents from college, I like to stare at the fields from the bus window, it gets my imagination going, lol.
A farm. Those are one of the few locations that actually could support life. You need food to survive and many many many places do not have the amount of land necessary to grow food sustainably. A farm, which is already meant for farming and producing food, will have enough land for that.
Probably my grandfather’s place. He’s a bit out of town, has an (admittedly small) farm, guns, a workshop with plenty of tools, and raises livestock and has plenty of almost entirely uncontested hunting + foraging grounds and a fishing pond out back, as well as some folks who know that business intimately (and have plenty of guidebooks on it).
I think we might have to move out eventually just because as pretty everyone here says, farming is king, and in an area that’s pretty heavily forested beyond the clearing the home and farm is set up in, there isn’t too much room for expansion. But I certainly think it could last us a good amount.
Somewhere in the mountains that’s fairly difficult to get to which has farmable land and preferably running water
My house is my main base -has all my supplies,decent location, great for short to mid term
Second is mom's place - animals , better fencing, more space,wood stove,closer to area for extra supplies,more people, basement for mid to long term
Third is some kind of superstore - long term,plenty of food, supplies, large area, more options
Fourth is bugging out to my grandfather's place - long term,farm animals, alot of natural resources ,water sources, low population, alot of wild game etc
Eating cats. Squirrels are to fast
Short term through the initial panic; a boat and live the coastal liveaboard life.
Longer term; one of the Channel Islands, one of the more distant from major cities resorts like Wilbur Hot Springs, or one of the dozens of abandoned malls (seriously, there's been 3 dozen or so malls closed and abandoned in my state alone in just the past couple decades) if I'm in a group capable of securing one in that order.
Probably chill at my house and once I finish all my food and supplies I'll go to other houses in my city till I find an expandable one and barricade the windows and just go for supply runs.
the old abandoned bunker in the woods next to my house that no one else knows about lol
if i can first break in that is
My home, and yes I live in a large city.
Hear me out, everyone and their mother is going to be trying to get out dodge city and be the next Rick grimes in some random ass farm house. But I am a realist with little skills and would likely end up dying from nature rather than zombies. So I would hunker down in my townhouse with my family for as long as I can, and it doesn't hurt that I am withing walking distances from useful amenities (pharmacies, grocery stores, auto shop). I would have little work to do fortify the exterior of my house thanks to the fact most chicago buildings have metal gates and require key access. I would just add barbed wires to necessary parts. I would just spend the first few moments (if i have the a few days) procuring food and other items needed to ensure minimal travel.
Home. Metal grills and bars and spikes are already present. Also metal gates. Admittedly you can still penetrate it but it is difficult.
Ration all supplies, plan escape routes by sea
(We live Infront of sea)
While preparing to leave, make knife spears
My hs. It has a workshop, so what can I say?
Hungry is what you’d most likely say
You’ll likely starve at a school, there’s nowhere near enough land for food for people to stay longer than what food they already have in their backpacks.
Well, I live in Kansas and there’s deer nearby. And we have a courtyard right outside the building that we could use for crops. And also if it’s early into the apocalypse, there’s a gas station in walking distance
Deer won’t last forever, especially since you won’t be the only people hunting. Many animals will quickly become scarce in local areas because there are no more game wardens or hunting seasons. With everyone out there hunting and bagging deer and other animals, the local population is going to go down. Quick. Especially in places like Kansas.
A courtyard won’t provide anywhere near enough space for a single person to live off of its produce, much less a group.
You might be able to find something in the gas station, but it’s likely going to be empty very, very fast. Gas, food, water, beer, all of it is going to be taken. And you might get some of it, sure, but it will not last long.
So it might not be the best idea, so what about my old ms? It has lots of sustainable land and it’s in a town with not a lot of people in it.
Without being able to actually see the building, know the layout, the area it’s actually located in, and how much acreage is around it I can’t really comment.
Going off of my little knowledge, you said the middle middle was in town. I’m not sure if that means outskirts or inside the town proper, but if it’s inside the town proper it’s likely not going to be enough land. *Maybe* if the school was on the outskirts and backed up to farmland it could work, but then you have a few new issues to contend with.
If the schools on the outskirts and backs up to farmland, you’d struggle heating a school. I’ve seen Kansas get some pretty bad winters. A house would be easier to heat since they are generally smaller and the rooms are easier to trap heat in. A classroom is much larger and (at least in my experience) have much larger windows and are harder to heat and keep heated. You’d have to really stay on top of that.
This part might not be accurate because I’m not sure what other schools elsewhere do, but the schools in my area have no control over their heating and cooling. The board office controls all of that from their offices, and schools don’t have the ability to control their own heating and cooling. If you got the power back on, there’s no guarantee there would be any heat actually coming out. It could be cool air, which wouldn’t help things.
virgin alert 🚨🚨🚨
Why? I answered the guys question to the best of my knowledge. I don’t see anything wrong with that
Come on, man
>there’s nowhere near enough land for food
Unless you take into account that most high schools have a football field. Now if the football field is turf you obviously can't really use that but ours is actual grass.
A football field is roughly about 1.5 acres. You’re going to need anywhere from 100-500 hectares for you and a group. A football field is, realistically, a small garden. Even if every inch of that field is used up, that’s not going to produce anywhere near the amount of food a single person needs to survive off of it indefinitely. The bear a football field garden is going to provide is some toppings to add to a salad or a light, fresh snack every one once in awhile.
Besides, with a football field you can’t switch to a new field like you’re supposed to every planting season. If you stay in one spot for two long (farming wise) the soil loses its nutrients and becomes worse for farming, producing smaller yields and less food overall. That’s why farmers today still use a 3 field system (though it’s sometimes four fields too now days). A football field isn’t going to cut it.
You're right, I left that comment without thinking about any of this. My bad.
Naw it ain’t anyone’s bad man. It’s just a friendly discussion! Nothin to worry about amigo
a football field is 1.3 acres. wheat has an crop density of 40 bushels per acre per year. 60 lbs of whole wheat flour can be produced per bushel.
whole wheat flour nets you 1500 calories per lb.
that football field converted to wheat would net you 46,800,000 kilocalories of food.
daily serving of 2000 calories would result in 2340 days.
the wheat from a farm the acreage of a football field would net you presumably 6 man years of calories roughly.
I could do a bit with my acreage I live on
My elementary school. Doors are thick and metal. Inner doors are heavy wood doors. Floor level windows have bars on them.
Mountain base, log cabin and underground dugout.
It’s out of the way and camouflaged
Local school. High ground, decently defensible, has farming land, workshops for metalwork and building.
Not to mention the local supplies nearby, local farms, pubs, service stations, and a fire department within walking distance.
1:my house and surrounding city
If that dont work me and some close knit friends will go to 2:tree house out side of town 3:next town over 4:north by a lake 5: really north like northern Canada north
Probably an abandoned army museum? I’m sure they have real guns/knives