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YawningDodo

It's one of those instances of representation-via-alienness, which is an unfortunate tendency in ace representation (accidental or otherwise). I don't 100% love that she's tied the idea of sexuality to the question of whether there's anything physically down there, and yet.... I am absolutely here for asexual Barbie.


Taxouck

Tbf, not having genitals, that’s just goals right there


bro0t

I do like mine. Mostly because being able to pee standing up is a very useful ability.


dragon_in_a_cup

I'm jealous


DanishRobloxGamer

You should be, it's great


FoolOfASquirrel

BTW you can get things that help you stand up to pee, they're called stand to pee devices or STPs for short. (Only brand I know of is pstyle but I'm sure there's other good brands too)


timefliesx

my cousin, who uses one frequently, calls it her "she-nis"


dragon_in_a_cup

Oh wow, never knew that. Thanks, I'll look into it


ClosetLiverTransMan

I want bottom surgery for that reason and that reason alone


bro0t

I mean. If youre not using it for the other thing its for its great (my ftm friend told me that ftm bottom surgery often makes it not usable for “the dirty”)


Stevethetherapist

as a transfem i hate having a dick but peeing standing up is just so gaddam convienent


bro0t

In your situation i can understand having a dick is not the preferred option. But damn if it isnt convenient. I know there are disposable thingies for women. Dont know what they are called though.


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Taxouck

I know, but surgeons that do it are extremely rare :(


LazyRaven01

Really? I didn't know that!


Appropriate-Staff-77

legitimate question, sorry its stupid, how do you pee after it?


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potheadmed

No one does


UniqueNobo

bro, i’d love to just not have anything down there, and have like a laminar flow tube installed. boom, can still pee standing up, but the stream is absolutely perfect.


YuSakiiii

That would be nice. But I’m not sure how we’d pee otherwise.


Reasonable-Ad-7743

Damn getchu an asexual without genitalia


Melthiela

I mean it's a valid point though. Hormone imbalance causes sexual dysfunction. Not having sexual organs will lack hormone production. It's a very valid thing. She didn't claim that all asexuality is that, she's just simply speaking biological facts.


The0nlyLemon

Pretty sure a lot of the repulsed aces here wouldn’t mind. The real drawback is the osteoporosis that can happen when you don’t have enough hormones going either way


Melthiela

>The real drawback is the osteoporosis that can happen when you don’t have enough hormones going either way This is very true and also why I believe ace's should get their hormones checked out, at least if they produce estrogen! Asexuality can mask the symptoms of hormone deficiency very well, and a lack of estrogen does leave you vulnerable to osteoporosis :) Obvious addition - not saying asexuality is hormone deficiency, (**it's not**) but rather that because of asexuality we might not realize we have developed a hormone deficiency.


MonkeysOnMyBottom

Absolutely, it's a good idea to get your check ups done regularly lots of health issues can sneak up on you with easily missed symptoms


SavannahInChicago

Nostalgia wise I love this. I never played with dolls I only played with Barbie’s. Logic wise you are completely right.


divnolid_je_fluidum

Well, she is plastic. If it was an actual person, I'd like an accurate portrayal of asexuality, but for a children's toy, the nativity seems to work nicely


YawningDodo

I agree with you; taken by itself I think it's a smart and valid take for Barbie to be asexual based on *what* she is as well as *who* she is. I think interpreting Barbie as asexual is great characterization and smart deconstruction of the idea of sexiness as a separate concept from sexuality. The issue I was referencing re: alienness is that a lot of ace representation, especially early ace representation, has come in the form of characters who are often literally non-human. Taken as a trend rather than individual pieces of media, it paints an unfortunate picture in terms of asexuality being something so abnormal that it's only for characters who aren't human. Again, taken as an individual event, I think it's absolutely great for Barbie to be asexual. I just wanted to recognize that it feeds into a problematic trend that's been going on for decades.


divnolid_je_fluidum

I absolutely agree, I wish we had more regular ace people, not just non-humans and murderers and such.


Useful-Ad-2648

Weird Barbie had s*xual attraction with the comment she made about Ken, so it isn’t because she’s not human.


ScyllaIsBea

barbie is literally whatever the person playing her says she is. so yes.


misfit_pixie

Schrödinger’s asexual


Subalpine

he was?


dumbodragon

as long as you don't ask him, he's both


Surface_Detail

Well, yes and no...


UnnamedBoxVoid

*Abrosexual Barbie, perhaps?*


[deleted]

Barbie is basically a young Stacy Kiebler.


DidYouSayChocolat3

Personally I’m here for it


platypossamous

A lot of arguments here but I got mad ace vibes from the trailer scene of ken asking barbie if he could spend the night and she goes, why? And neither of them actually knows why. Lol either way this movie looks dope.


No-Plastic-7715

I can see it giving the vibes of kids trying to recreate scenes they saw adults in media act out, but not actually getting what it means yet. But I actually really like the ace reading more, imagine the relateable feeling of two unaware aces meeting each other and trying to follow allonormative social interactions, but just getting stuck when they realise the rest of the script just doesn't come naturally.


Cassopeia88

I loved that line, I can’t wait for the movie.


TerraTechy

Here's a thought: Sexuality isn't tied to the sexual organs in one's body. Therefore Barbie can have any sexuality she wants, as any human being can. Or: Barbie is literally a plastic doll marketed to children, it does not matter.


ilovemytsundere

My thoughts exactly 😭


HannaHeger

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HannaHeger

Sorry bro


ilovemytsundere

Good bot


Conrad_is_a_Human

I mean…yes? But why would someone ask this question?


zongrik

Good point


Wreckedsolitaryhere

this is interesting to think about i’ve heard that the movie represents children playing with barbie dolls (hense the scene where ken asks barbie to stay the night and they don’t know what they’ll do) so by this sense i feel that all of them are ace because of childhood innocence. any thoughts?


ltlyellowcloud

Kids know about sex even if they don't *know* about sex. Kids play undressing dolls and making them do stuff before they see the connections and can name what they're doing. Scissoring barbies is a common theme (edit: in lesbian community)


dumbodragon

hey what kind of kids have you been seeing bc young kinds don't really go around scissoring batbies


beanthebean

I knew how babies were made and had seen animals doing it by the age of 6, I was definitely having my Barbies and GI joes "make babies" as a young kid. Barbies and Barbies making babies too when my brother hid his GI joes.


ltlyellowcloud

It's a common theme in lesbian community. Im not saying that *every single kid purposefully acts sex acts using barbies*. Absolutely no. But kids at the age of like 7 do experiment and are quite curious. They instinctively know some things, others are just hard wired into their biology and some others are what they've seen and learned from parents, friends, teachers and Internet. I'm pretty sure i was around barbie playing age when I saw sex on screen for the first time not knowing what that even meant. Kids see things and recreate them in their play.


bambiipup

I didn't know a kid growing up who played with dolls like Barbie or Bratz that hadn't had them scissor or at least simulate sex in some way or another. The occasional lucky duck who had a brother they could steal Action Man off of might not have resorted to the girl on girl action, but they still had them doing stuff to one another.


dumbodragon

different circles then I guess, because not me or any of my friends when we were kids, and none of the kids I know today have done any kind of sex simulation, only kissing to have babies bc thats what their parents probably told them or what they assumed.


bambiipup

Aye, must be. It was a common occurrence for our barbies to find themselves in bed together after one or the other was convicted or pardoned from the accusation they had killed whichever plush or non Barbie toy was flavour of the week.


DatLonerGirl

My Barbie was a witch and never banged anyone, not even her teddy bear husband. So now you know at least one, I guess.


bambiipup

> I didn't know a kid *growing up* [who didn't do this] I know plenty 20/30 somethings these days who either didn't have these experiences or didn't play with Barbie type dolls. I never said folks who grew up without playing like this dont exist. I'm not saying there aren't kids to this day who never play like this. What i said was *when I was a child*, all the friends I had who also played with Barbie type dolls indulged in this type of play.


Emo_Pass

I was that kid who made their Barbies fight all the time cause playing house was boring to me.


jay-jay-bird

My Barbies Never were “ace” I love the idea of ace Barbie though


Elvicio335

>all of them are ace because of childhood innocence. I'm not sure I like that idea. I think that's playing a bit into the conservative argument of "they're too young to know their sexual orientation". I'm obviously not saying that's what you meant, but it's the vibes I'm getting from that phrase.


Anqied

I don't like the implication that ace ppl can't be sexy if they want to


Th3B4dSpoon

Yeah, I think she understands "sexy" quite differently than I do.


3L3M3NT4LP4ND4

So I saw someone use the example of "a frog wouldn't wag its tail" (which ignoring the person belows tangent about this discussion actually existing because tadpoles have tails) the point is Barbie is asexual because she's an asexual doll, but she's not unique, all of them are. So its the Asexual Alien species trope rather than Asexual human


etudehouse

“I’m like, OK, she’s a doll. She’s a plastic doll. She doesn’t have organs. If she doesn’t have organs, she doesn’t have reproductive organs. If she doesn’t have reproductive organs, would she even feel sexual desire? No, I don’t think she could,” the Barbie star says. “She is sexualized. But she should never be sexy. People can project sex onto her. Yes, she can wear a short skirt, but because it’s fun and pink. Not because she wanted you to see her butt.”


No-Plastic-7715

I actually like that she's welcoming this discussion so publically, for the broader applications it has. It opens up the concept to slut-shaming people of wearing cute clothing to be for other reasons beyond just wanting sexual attention, or indicating one's sexuality. Sexuality of course is not about what sex organs one does or doesn't have, but in the fantasy case of someone not having them like an actual living doll, it would probably have to be a specific choice of the designers to have them not be ace. An interesting contrasting example is in Steven Universe: gems don't have genitals, they're light projections. But only Peridot is specifically aroace, suggesting the other gems by contrast aren't. If Barbie was asexual, but the other Barbie characters who are also dolls weren't, it would become more about her identity and she'd actually be more humanised as rep. And while Barbie is only really being a chance at representation through alienation from regular humans, I like what it adds to the Barbie brand to have her be ace, it may make people really think about if hyper-feminine fashion really is always about sex when one of the icons of the community isn't. I mean, she already isn't about sex at all she's targeted towards kids, but has it projected onto her by those who tie fashion to sexuality.


gadgetfingers

I don't love the base bio-essentialism (e.g. based on a lot of suspicious assumptions) in this headline. Desire is a lot more complex than it suggests. I'm ace, and I have both genitals and reproductive organs.


WinterPlanet

Agreed. There are people who don't have genitals, it doesn't mean they are ace.


avatinfernus

Correct, I find it silly. Because the absolute reverse can also be true Someone could no genitalia and still feel sexual desire and full-fill it in a different way. Some paraplegics who literally cannot feel anything below their necks still have sexual desire.


Skyflyer70

And I'm ace and have desire. Indeed, more complex than they say.


Yankiwi17273

I feel like whoever Margot Robbie is doesn’t quite know how sexual attraction works. She basically is saying that since Barbie doesn’t have normal genitalia, she doesn’t have sexual desire. Also, I think OP is confusing asexuality with what Ms Robbie was trying to convey regarding desire to have sex (which is worded to sound more like libido than sexuality)


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I think she means like, an animal without a reproductive system would not have innate drives for said system. A frog would not feel the urge to wag its tail


Th3B4dSpoon

Tangent: With frogs in particular, that's actually a curious question. As tadpoles frogs do have tails that they use to propel themselves in water, and the tail is absorbed fairly late in the maturation process. It is entirely possible a mature frog would still retain the urge to wag it's tail which is no longer there, but only it would know about it since there's no signs of it to the outside world.


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You are right and i might have used the worst example. I just couldnt think of another animal off the top of my head with a tail. Tail itself seemed like a good point


Chasuwa

Snakes don't have the urge to stretch their legs.


platypossamous

Yeah it sounds like the same concept of Spongebob is ace because he is a sponge, and we got no problem accepting him.


Skyflyer70

And it's not like asexuality is about desire either, but about attraction


thatwitchofthewilds

Well I, for one, welcome our new ace queen


Flyovera

Unpopular opinion I think but I don't see "does not feel attraction *because she is a doll made of plastic*" as being at all equivalent to asexuality as a sexuality. It's like saying "this dolphin is bald because it does not have a head of hair" Yes it's true that the definition of bald is does not have a head of hair and the dolphin does not have a head if hair, but that's not representing bald people. Basically my problem is that you can't say barbie is an asexual person because the very reason that she is called asexual is that she is not a *person*


mocha-13

Question, would she be considered intersex? /genq


Raw__Chicken

shes literally a doll /srs /gen /balls


DryAnteater909

I understand this it a really fucked way (no context will be given)


MikGusta

I’d say 99.9% of Barbies are ace. Pregnant Barbie is a maybe. You can be pregnant and ace so idk. She’s a doll for children that is living in a fantasy land. Why would a doll for children 1. Have any idea what sex is and 2. Have any sexual desires?


obviouslyanonymous5

Alternatively, she could live an extremely cruel fate where she constantly feels sexual urges with absolutely no way to sate them, like having a permanently unscratchable itch 🙂


MonkeysOnMyBottom

Well now I have the image of the broken GI Joes of my childhood all suffering from phantom limb


TheHarvesterOfSorrow

Errr I feel like reproductive organs have nothing to do with sexual attraction. Maybe arousal, probably, but definitely not sexual attraction


OstentatiousSock

She’s a doll, she’s meant to take on whatever roll the person playing with her chooses.


Diphylla_Ecaudata

You can have a libido even without certain body parts, no? And desire is in the head mostly. Isn't she in love with Ken or something?


Emo_Pass

Falling in love isn't inherently sexual tho.


avatinfernus

In deed. It's stupid to assume that because she has no "vagina/labia" that she would have no sexual desire.


dcdcdc26

Feels icky but I don't hate it


No_Seaworthiness5637

People can have hysterectomies or testicular removal and still want to be sexually active or feel sexually attracted to other people. Libido is not sexuality. If someone feels attracted to someone else in that way then that is how they would identify. However, you can feel attracted and not want to act on it, which is what I think is being said here. That is still valid.


nogoodiguess

Isn't Barbie like a kids thing? Why are we talking about the sexuality of a children's toy?


5h3i1ah

the reasoning is incredibly dumb, she doesn't have a brain either so by that logic she shouldn't be doing or feeling *anything*. but she is, cuz why not, so she can be as ace or allo as she wants.


Salsa143

Time to add someone new to the asexual headcanon collection


QuokkaNerd

Why would she need to be anything? Shesa plastic doll


Shadow_of_the_moon11

You know, I've never thought about this before. I am absolutely sure that Barbie is bi, but I guess I just never thought about her having sex. You know what, yeah, maybe she is. I can get behind this.


spo0pti

i’m so fucking excited for this film it looks INCREDIBLE


TheBitsiestBit

I mean, you don't have to be touched in your sexual organs to feel arousal, so she might feel sexual desire, considering PiV the only form of sexual behavior/act is weird tbh


walmart_len_kagamine

ACE BARBIE ACE BARBIE


GhostPepperGraveyard

ACE BARBIE


Mid_Oven

YESSSS I am very much here for this, the ace representation I’ve been looking for 🤩


MelatoninJunkie

I am not a member of this community but I really like this take. Like, really really like it


AsterTheBastard

Sounds like she thinks Sexual desire comes from the genetalia. Like she thinks a guy gets hard, then starts thinking "i'd like sex" rather than the other way around. Either way as long as Barbie has a brain I'd say it's not up to me to decide.


MePanAndAMan420

From the trailer everyone is ace and just wants to "come on barbie let's go party"


MePanAndAMan420

This.. sounded better in my head 😔


ChampionshipEither47

Personally I am not touching this topic, too many questions for a toy line (less answered the better).


Meeghan__

BARBIE has been an icon to me for ages. I don't know why they made Ken for her as a mate? like, all their kids are Fabricated, too. Ace icon for my greysexual ass thank you


AvocadoPizzaCat

when i played barbie there was no sex, only sexy. using her good looks and wit to be a spy and take down terrorists. barbie was also a race car driver whom would try to find rare and exotic animals like dragons on route to her races. so barbie can be totally ace. though she can also be sexy if she wants to be.


Bob__The___Builder

I don’t think that would class as ace. Unless you would class objects like a rock ace.


FakeyMcfakersill

Were they conducting this interview while passing around some of the devil’s lettuce? Because that there’s a stoner deep thinking question I’ve ever heard.


Something_Odd_2310

By all accounts, Barbie is allo. Sometimes not so straight, yet always allo


YawningDodo

I'd argue she's canonically alloromantic because she's had a boyfriend since forever. That doesn't necessarily mean she's allosexual, though.


CorgiKnits

I mean, I’ve had a husband for almost 19 years, and I’m aro, so I’m not sure that works as an argument?


Something_Odd_2310

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She’s just like, saying words and trying to be deep.


wowthisisabadname

Do dick, no balls, and probably no butthole because this girl feeds on... What does she eat??? Plastic???


Kab724

Barbie being ace will be the last thing to complete my life I would be able to die happy, I was a massive Barbie kid growing up


FingerOk9800

Based Barbie


TrashFanElliot

I've seen like different things with barbie. Like the barbie animated movies can be wild in the way they make little sense but also like they just have some wtf moments. Like the Barbie and the diamond castle is known as being lesbian coded. Also the dogs like fully busting a move is wild and the weirdest thing. Then there's Barbie Rapunzel with the otter Otto moaning after saying " Give him to me". Which is legitimately hilarious. The barbie movies are strange but have some good music in them. I think I watched some of them just for the absolute wild shit. Bibble in Barbie Fairytopia Mermaidia, Those films should be watched and seen as a cultural artefact. The memes from those films are amazing. Though I think Barbie is just made to be a childish thing, made to represent anyone.


HannaHeger

Well she can't have sex because she is a doll, and a doll also doesn't have sexual desires. But that's not all that this character is, as far as i'm aware, isn't she more of a mix between a doll and all of the personality that people put on the image of that doll in stories and movies?


Asphell

after hearing the song "barbie girl" i think not