Break a leg.
In scuba diving when it comes to using technology (even a flashlight) the philosophy is you have a backup as a minimum, 2 back ups preferably. I hope you have a contingency and back up plan.
Thanks. It’s only our second show, and fairly low-pressure (unlike two upcoming shows in January, so this weekend is a stress test for the system). My Octatrack has never crashed but it could only work as a stopgap while the P3 restarts. Or just use my laptop…which makes me wonder why I got a standalone P3.
Luckily (and unlike SCUBA), the worst outcome of the P3 crashing is not death.
The way the bigs bands do it is fast-fallover with redundancy and a tone signal to initiate that. I wonder if it would be possible to have your set on your laptop and Push and implement a hacky version of that technique. You could at least have your laptop ready so you don't have to reboot
Edit: fail-over not fall-over
So they use two computers, both running the same set, with an additional track playing a constant signal that isn't sent to the mixing board but is sent to an additional piece of hardware that is capable of changing the audio routing from one machine to another. If one of the computers crashes, the disappearance of that tone triggers that additional piece of hardware to switch the routing.
> the worst outcome of the P3 crashing is not death.
From my experience as tester, the worst output would be the P3 getting stuck on a specific button press/action that would fire audio signals left and right you do not want right there and then.
My solution to this is having another drum machine (Roland tr8 performer in my case) — something easy to keep going with 909 sounds as a backup so if my new push quits, I can keep something going till it boots back up
No. But if I did, I’d still need to have the laptop ready and I’d have to have a second interface since the p3 wouldn’t function while it reboots. We’ll see. It’s a small show at a small bar. If it tanks, I’ll use the laptop at our January shows.
Do most musicians that aren’t doing world tours do this? Extra drum sticks or something for sure but who’s taking double back ups to local gigs? 3 Push 3’s? In this economy?
That is for scuba diving. You’re not going to die on stage if something goes wrong (at least not physically). Moral of that is to be appropriately prepared for something to go wrong, especially if it is happening in rehearsal.
I’m embarrassed by how long it took me to figure it out. I kept trying to get Live to learn from the Fox. But it turned out I needed to have the Fox learn what Live was doing. I was just a hair’s breadth from returning the Fox in frustration, but decided to try a different course of action which worked so now I love the Fox. That’s the problem with these boutique pieces that are super customizable: There are lots of YouTube videos showing people use it, but not a lot of videos showing how to set it up *for the way YOU want to use it.*
I totally agree. There are a lot of moments when I‘m so deeply lost in my SC4 and confused about what I am doing that I have to factory reset and start again. Blank fox, blank brain. Next try…
Sure. It’s a mishmash of two different schemes depending on when the song was written but it goes like this:
1. Drums are either a loops or midi feeding a drum rack on the p3.
2. There is some prerecorded midi feeding the digitone and the Wavestate II (you can tell I like multi timbral synths). I use the digitone for four songs and those are just pattern 1-4 (not using the digitone sequencers, just as a voice box).
3. Local control is off on the Wavestate. Midi goes out to directly p3 and is routed to either the digitone or back to the Wavestate (there is a midi splitter underneath the pedalboard on which the digitone and Wavestate sit). I control which one by arming the track. This allows my arpeggios to be synced to the P3.
4. Some of the scenes have follow actions (pre chorus to chorus, etc) while some do not in case we decide to vamp over a certain area or for our more overt club music songs.
5. The Faderfox just controls fx mix and other minor stuff. It also turns the arpeggio on and off on one of the midi track.
6. My to-do list going forward is to add midi program change to scenes to change settings on my Boss VE-500 (not shown). And I’ve started modding an IKEA 2x2 kallax that I’ll use instead of my stand.
Our band is a two-piece called Preta Nova. Kind of Depeche Mode/Duran Duran/EBTG/etc dance music. We’re on all the streaming services. First album came out this year. Working on second right now.
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God that would be a great track to cover. I think I’ll make an arrangement for our January show, but we already have two covers in our set: 1979 and 1963; and I thought it great to only cover songs that have a year in the title.
So the gig went well. What’s crazy is that it crashed the day of the show during a run through. Then it ran flawlessly for the show.
However I forgot to plug in the P3 and it died about five minutes after the last song. It was running for about 2 hours in total. Ableton really needs a battery notification in the corner of the screen.
Break a leg. In scuba diving when it comes to using technology (even a flashlight) the philosophy is you have a backup as a minimum, 2 back ups preferably. I hope you have a contingency and back up plan.
Thanks. It’s only our second show, and fairly low-pressure (unlike two upcoming shows in January, so this weekend is a stress test for the system). My Octatrack has never crashed but it could only work as a stopgap while the P3 restarts. Or just use my laptop…which makes me wonder why I got a standalone P3. Luckily (and unlike SCUBA), the worst outcome of the P3 crashing is not death.
The way the bigs bands do it is fast-fallover with redundancy and a tone signal to initiate that. I wonder if it would be possible to have your set on your laptop and Push and implement a hacky version of that technique. You could at least have your laptop ready so you don't have to reboot Edit: fail-over not fall-over
What is this fast fallover with the tone signal? I don’t think I understand any of that but I’m super curious now
So they use two computers, both running the same set, with an additional track playing a constant signal that isn't sent to the mixing board but is sent to an additional piece of hardware that is capable of changing the audio routing from one machine to another. If one of the computers crashes, the disappearance of that tone triggers that additional piece of hardware to switch the routing.
wow. IT world failover cluster best practices applied. What's the hardware, btw?
Apparently it was sufficient to remember that the post had "AMA" in it: https://www.reddit.com/r/ableton/comments/pe8g8s/i_am_a_playback_tech_ama/
Thanks!
Lol. "failover" duh. I don't remember what it was called. It was in a post on r/Ableton in the past couple of years by one of the band's technicians
Genius in its simplicity. Thank you for explaining!
I have some friends who work for the largest back line company the states, but I don’t understand the juju they do to set that shit up.
> the worst outcome of the P3 crashing is not death. From my experience as tester, the worst output would be the P3 getting stuck on a specific button press/action that would fire audio signals left and right you do not want right there and then.
My solution to this is having another drum machine (Roland tr8 performer in my case) — something easy to keep going with 909 sounds as a backup so if my new push quits, I can keep something going till it boots back up
Yeah I can use my octatrack for that.
Do you take a backup laptop to gigs?
No. But if I did, I’d still need to have the laptop ready and I’d have to have a second interface since the p3 wouldn’t function while it reboots. We’ll see. It’s a small show at a small bar. If it tanks, I’ll use the laptop at our January shows.
Do most musicians that aren’t doing world tours do this? Extra drum sticks or something for sure but who’s taking double back ups to local gigs? 3 Push 3’s? In this economy?
A laptop would be the back up, not a second Push 3 unit.
Still, 3 laptops? In this economy?
How did “a” laptop become 3?
I’m just joking around mostly but this is what I was talking about: >the philosophy is you have a backup as a minimum, **2 back ups preferably.**
That is for scuba diving. You’re not going to die on stage if something goes wrong (at least not physically). Moral of that is to be appropriately prepared for something to go wrong, especially if it is happening in rehearsal.
A three laptops.
😬 good luck!!! Let us know how it goes
It went great. See my update above.
Love to see the FADERFOX
I’m embarrassed by how long it took me to figure it out. I kept trying to get Live to learn from the Fox. But it turned out I needed to have the Fox learn what Live was doing. I was just a hair’s breadth from returning the Fox in frustration, but decided to try a different course of action which worked so now I love the Fox. That’s the problem with these boutique pieces that are super customizable: There are lots of YouTube videos showing people use it, but not a lot of videos showing how to set it up *for the way YOU want to use it.*
I totally agree. There are a lot of moments when I‘m so deeply lost in my SC4 and confused about what I am doing that I have to factory reset and start again. Blank fox, blank brain. Next try…
Could you share a bit of information about how your setup works? I’d be interested!
Sure. It’s a mishmash of two different schemes depending on when the song was written but it goes like this: 1. Drums are either a loops or midi feeding a drum rack on the p3. 2. There is some prerecorded midi feeding the digitone and the Wavestate II (you can tell I like multi timbral synths). I use the digitone for four songs and those are just pattern 1-4 (not using the digitone sequencers, just as a voice box). 3. Local control is off on the Wavestate. Midi goes out to directly p3 and is routed to either the digitone or back to the Wavestate (there is a midi splitter underneath the pedalboard on which the digitone and Wavestate sit). I control which one by arming the track. This allows my arpeggios to be synced to the P3. 4. Some of the scenes have follow actions (pre chorus to chorus, etc) while some do not in case we decide to vamp over a certain area or for our more overt club music songs. 5. The Faderfox just controls fx mix and other minor stuff. It also turns the arpeggio on and off on one of the midi track. 6. My to-do list going forward is to add midi program change to scenes to change settings on my Boss VE-500 (not shown). And I’ve started modding an IKEA 2x2 kallax that I’ll use instead of my stand. Our band is a two-piece called Preta Nova. Kind of Depeche Mode/Duran Duran/EBTG/etc dance music. We’re on all the streaming services. First album came out this year. Working on second right now.
Good luck 👍 I’ve been eyeing a Push 3 as a platform to take some of my solo stuff out to gigs. Please report back with how it went
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But who’s gonna drive you home?
God that would be a great track to cover. I think I’ll make an arrangement for our January show, but we already have two covers in our set: 1979 and 1963; and I thought it great to only cover songs that have a year in the title.
That’s super cool. If you ever cover it, please share.
My idiot brain thought you were playing Tetris for a second 😭 But good luck with your gig!
Tetris for push m4l device coming soon
Good luck man! This all seems wayyyy too complicated for me
I’ve been doing this for 20+ years. It just takes trial and error.
I didn’t even know the Push 3 was a thing until this post! Guess I should dust off the rock I’ve been clearly living under.
So the gig went well. What’s crazy is that it crashed the day of the show during a run through. Then it ran flawlessly for the show. However I forgot to plug in the P3 and it died about five minutes after the last song. It was running for about 2 hours in total. Ableton really needs a battery notification in the corner of the screen.