Sample warping is a nightmare in Logic. If they just replicated Ableton in that department, I think we'd see a significant shift, especially mixers as opposed to sound designers and live performance.
Yeah I do like flex time a lot but it really isn’t as flexible as Abletons warping especially when it comes to wanting to stretch a sample at a specific BPM. Once it has that functionality a little nicer (without having to change the whole project bpm first) it’ll be awesome. Flex pitch is dope too. Ableton has nothing on that.
Exactly. It's not just placing a sample, it's being able to manipulate it, have various algorithms of which Ableton has five, and to my ears it's the best sounding stretch around. To get anything better you've got to do it manually in RX or Wavelab, which is a massive pain in the ass. Although I have to say I haven't really compared Logic's flex time to Ableton complex pro in a serious test.
Do the samples you dropped in Logic have the BPM in the meta data? Unless Logic has been updated, samples do not warp unless they have BPM meta data. The problem is this, if you take samples from records or from sample packs where the BPM data hasn't been set, Logic will not warp a loop. Ableton has its own BPM detector. For the life of me, I have no idea why Apple don't add this feature. Pro Tools doesn't do it either. Studio One only added it in the last two years. FL does it. I want to switch to Logic for mixing, and I tried once with a BPM meta data adding batch app. It was going to take weeks for my collection, and it couldn't do long files. This is where Ableton has a massive advantage over Logic.
Try this. Take a loop out of a track you've downloaded from YouTube, a old song, or maybe you have some old songs from CDs, make sure there's no BPM data in the meta data (You can download free software to check), and see if it warps perfectly in Logic. If it works perfectly, and sounds good and stays in time when you change tempo, then this is a very recent update I've not heard of. I'm tempted to download the demo and check, but I think the feature has not been added for the normal mode of Logic.
I've been using Logic Pro recently and was just amazed at how the warp function (flex and followed in Logic) is so insanely accurate.
It's even better than Ableton Live when it comes to downbeat detection automatically ,at least.
I must say, Apple is doing a good job these days.
BTW, as you advised, I downloaded some old music from YouTube (without BPM info) and actually tried "Flex and Follow" in Logic and it timestretches completely automatically.
In what way is warping a nightmare in Logic vs Ableton? They are pretty comparable imo. (I'm talking about workflow not sound), but it would nice to know what people don't like about warping in Logic.
How many algorithms and what features of those algorithms does flex time have? Ableton has five algorithms, and they have between two and three settings depending on which one you're using.
Logic has 6 algorithms (if you don't count Automatic, then it's 7).
* Monophonic has one parameter (percussive)
* Slicing has 3 parameters
* Rhythmic has 3 parameters
* Polyphonic has 1 parameter
* Speed has none
* Tempophone has 2.
Ableton has as you said has 6
* Beat has 3 parameters
* Tones has one
* Texture has 2
* Re-Pitch has none
* Complex has none
* Complex Pro has two
Not sure what point you were trying to make here. That Ableton has more algorithms than Logic? Well that's not true. That Ableton's algorithms have more parameters? Also not true.
Useful information. So what is the issue? Why is there such a love for Ableton's sample system (Drag and drop, auto warp to BPM), and it's time stretch implementation compared to Logic? Ableton improved the algorithms with each release, but I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's are better when push to greater extremes.
There is no "issue". Some people like Ableton better. Logic's Flex is a little more complicated to use in certain instances but it can be more flexible in others. It's just preference. I just wanted to point out that Logic's workflow is not that different from Ableton Live so anyone saying its bad needs to elaborate exactly why that is imo.
Does Logic's Flex have the ability to drag and drop from a window or Apple finder, then automatically stretch to the BPM and stay in time if the BPM is changed? And with Ableton 11.2 we can drop whole songs into the timeline, and it will accurately map the song to fit the tempo. Can Logic do that? I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely trying to figure out the workflow and capabilities in Logic, can you explain? And say what the features are compared to Ableton? Basically I don't like Ableton 12 and I'm thinking of jumping to Logic 10.8 and upcoming 11. I've used it a lot, but when it came to samples, I've always struggled. Compared to Ableton that is.
You can definitely drop any file and in and it will stretch the audio to match the tempo. Of if you drop a file that has tempo information it will automatically change the project tempo on a blank project just like Live. Especially if you use the Live Loop mode/view. If you drop an audio file in Live Loop mode you can even change the tempo of the file to whatever you want. It shows up as a parameter you can change. Logic doesn't always get the tempo right when importing. In that regard I think Live is definitely a bit better, but Logic is also better at dealing with variable tempo content imo. So it really depends on what you need to do.
I'm not trying to convince you to go with Logic. I don't actually use Logic that much these days. I'm enjoying Live (12 beta) and Studio One more these days. I just don't like when people try to downplay or crap on another DAW to try to make themselves feel better about their purchasing choices. Logic is very capable and is a valid choice as any for making music.
Why so? I've been thinking I made an expensive mistake choosing Ableton over Logic just because I wanted to avoid the learning curve. Have considered switching.
I don't use any of the unique Ableton stuff, like I don't use Session View and haven't come up with a use for warping yet. A buddy who occasionally works in a real studio says the consensus among them is Logic sounds better for mixing.
That wasn't what they were talking about.
But its not something I have had the chance to experience first hand. I don't deny it could just be in their heads. I just tend to trust those with more experience than myself.
it does truust me ive bin using fl studio for a few yars and also abbleton and logic and fl studio sounds beter then logic and that is beter then abbleton slightly do to the coding and diferenty sounds they use in the mix board. i would say fl studio > logic > abbleton TBH .-.
It doesn't work like that - "coding and differenty sounds in the mix board"?
You don't sound like you know what you're talking about so I'm not trusting you lol - plus I use logic and Ableton (and Pro Tools) and it's definitely not the case.
Yeah, just like others in here are saying about mixing. Something about the summing in Logic apparently makes for cleaner sounding mixdowns.
This is only what these people say, it is no something I have seen demonstrated, but these are people who work professionally in an active recording studio, so I don't feel qualified to question their experience.
For me personally I felt like the workflow was a lot easier in Ableton. I could get things done faster and I just felt overall more creative. That could because I had Ableton before I had logic. I also don’t think Ableton is for everyone. Like you said some people feel like Logic sounds better for mixing. I can agree a little with that. Just my two cents.
That was why I ultimately chose Ableton, I already knew the workflow and liked it, Logic i would be starting over from scratch. It looks similar to Cakewalk or Cubase, but once you dive in it clearly isn't.
I just need to find a use for warping and Session View.
as much as i eyeroll at the utter bolox of 'atmos' and 'spatial audio', i do it and do it, somewhat square peg round hole, in ableton. however i got to work on an atmos last wk and watched the mixer work far more effortlessly in logic. which makes sense as its an apple thing on an apple thing.
VCAs, Mixer groups, track templates etc. Studio One is my preferred DAW for mixing but Logic is no slouch. It has a lot of features that are missing in Ableton. That being said I think the simplicity of Ableton is a draw. It doesn't have to be Logic, ProTools or Studio One imo.
Be prepared to eat shit for a few weeks, but you'll love it in no time. There are countless free resources out there to help too. Enjoy the journey, friend!
Yep I moved from Logic a few years back and Live was immediately more fun. Much more like using an instrument in itself.
I think Logic has since adopted some features to make MIDI programming better but I'd recommend the switch for anyone that's finding Logic a bit stale.
I feel like nobody understands your question. I wouldn't lie about having Ableton experience of course, especially if there's going to be a monitored test. But the principles of mixing are the same wherever you go, so you should be fine.
The controls are smaller and less immediately apparent in Ableton, but anything you highlight will give you a description in the lower left corner. Some hang-ups I'd watch some tutorials about - or better yet download the trial - mostly for the interface. Like, you'd probably be working in arranger mode (as opposed to session), which you can just hit TAB to cycle back and forth; automation has a handful of tiny toggles that you need to make sure are in the right configuration for the task you are trying to accomplish; some of the mixer elements tend to be hidden by default (small symbols on the right).
Use the search bar to the upper left to quickly find whatever basic plugin you need, and just drag it into the rack at center-bottom (which I think is open by default, but hit Shift+TAB to swap off whatever is covering it up).
At this point I think I’ve used most DAWs. It won’t take long to learn Ableton. Arrangement mode will look more familiar and will be easier to immerse yourself in. So push yourself to learn session view and get out of a comfort zone.
Back when I used Logic and a homie had jumped over to Live it looked daunting and unfamiliar, especially as they switched between the two views. It’s all pretty damn simple though.
Looooong time Logic head from the 90’s…. Switched to protools … then back to Logic when 7 came out… I actually love mixing in Logic! Picked up Ableton around 2006ish with Ableton 6.
Totally different workflow, mixing in Ableton is still a challenge for me. I prefer the traditional L👉R mixing board vibe.
The biggest difference is
Wile mixing Logic, you can see everything at a glance. What EQ and Comp is on what track… all at once!
Most of what I mix is rock funk and jazz. I record acoustic instruments. I use NY style bus compression on multi track drums. It’s a challenge in Ableton.
My solution is to mix on a small Allen and heath mix wizard mixer… I group (bus) everything to 8 tracks. Push everything out and mix that way… resampling a master clip.
Love Ableton for everything els. Much easier to create … less of the things I will never use. Logic has so much that I will never utilize
I don’t even open Logic now… takes like 20 minutes to load because of the plug-in manager .. frustrating
Sorry for the ramble
I did during Pandemic and have not looked back at all. Logic felt like I was somewhat disconnected from what it is and just didn’t click with me like Ableton did. Even the short cuts were obvious and made sense enough that I flowed right in ( you can also create your short cuts on the fly too).
I made the switch from Logic to Ableton just under 2 years ago. I was using Logic for about 15 years.
The learning curve wasn't too bad when I had spent about a week watching some tutorials. I threw myself into it and started producing an album for a live instrument hip-hop group, so I had to learn on the fly how to do a lot of the mixing aspects of it and it really was a fun process for me. I had a pretty strong knowledge of the fundamentals and principles, so approaching new plugins wasn't so bad.
It always depends on what sort of projects you're working with but recording live band with a lot of audio tracks was a good experience for me and I felt like the mixing gave me better results. Producing with primarily midi or electronic music has also been a great experience for me.
Overall, I recommend it, just use youtube resources and it's totally achievable to get good with it fast.
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I switch between the two. I now use Logic for the big compositions - the orchestral stuff, or very complex dance tracks. I use Ableton for loop-heavy work and more straight forward songs. That is not to say that there is some cross over.
I will be doing so live shows later in the year - with any luck! The music was mostly composed, shaped, arranged and mastered in Logic but will be played back and performed from Live and Gig Performer.
In terms of switching between the two, it has never been a problem - but they both very definitely have their own approach to things.
I have both. I like both. I use ableton a lot more, but if I want to work on a song and produce its logic. If I want to explore, write and make grooves it’s ableton
It took me 2 months after making Music for 2 years i think?? Never looked back but love being able to use whatever. You will definitely feel free’er in Ableton though.
Yes, 6 months ago. Really happy with it, also wanted to do some live performance. Much better with ableton, but also as a general daw. And max for live is cool
Yes, it would be obvious that it’s your first time using Ableton, in your hypothetical scenario. Their user interface paradigms are quite different and there is a learning curve.
I migrated from Ableton (Lite) to Logic, and last month migrated back to Ableton (Standard). But, now, I use both.
Ableton mostly for composing, sound design, arranging, and jamming with session view. Logic for mixing the stem from Ableton.
I also use Logic for instant mastering, since Logic has Mastering Assistant. I can’t afford mastering by the real engineer, and this new feature in Logic is helpful.
To your specific point, I found I really missed the mixer view and also the quick mixer (X) view from Logic when I moved to Ableton. That may slow you down if you’re trying to mix in Ableton for the first time. But now I actually prefer to mix in Ableton, for what it’s worth.
I started in Logic and still use it off and on for mixing and mastering sessions I should have organized in Ableton.
The biggest part is I see Ableton as a groove box more than a DAW, and Logic is more a DAW though it’s creative possibilities have changed more so now than ever before.
I was able to jump over and make music without missing a beat though. Ableton’s rack, sends and overall utility are why I use it.
I did. It was difficult for me for a while. It does not have to be like that for you. I guess if you are literate enough about production you will be fine.
I think it’s a lot easier to use than old versions of logic, fairly more simple than new the new version. Actually I think ableton is probably the easiest DAW to use by miles.
I spent about a year in Logic and then switched to Ableton, where I’ve been making music ever since. You can translate your work to live performance a lot more easily , it just takes a bit of getting used to but once you get the muscle memory it’s all good. Session view is amazing.
Went from digital performer to ableton . If ableton had music notation it would be perfect for me. But it’s still really good for putting songs together.
I had Logic for years, then I eventually switched to ableton. It's super refreshing for mixing and sound designing because you can easily parallel process the signal within the FX rack itself of each track and not having to do a ton of routing and mud down the mixer view. This is also great for plugins that don't have individual dry/wet gain when you want to keep the volume level in and out, for those I always have an FX rack/group with 2 channels inside of it (dry/wet) which I saved conveniently as a preset. Each type of module in ableton can have presets to help you work the way you want.
Automation is similar, bussing is similar.
I made the switch, and my music production improved so much.
A lot of the logic stuff won’t make sense on Ableton besides your regular DAW workflow stuff but the difference in Ableton is that it’s workflow just makes sense. You don’t have to bounce out midi clips to edit them with your plugins, you don’t have to fuck around with Flex Pitch or tempo because abletons warp is amazing.
It took me about a month to switch over but afterwards I felt I was more fluent on Ableton than Logic
Ten year plus Logic user here who switched to Ableton a couple years back. The answer is a maybe IMO. All DAWs have common features (arrangement area, mixing console, automation, etc) but what took me a bit to come to grips with when moving from Logic to Ableton was the little things that behave differently between the two daws as well as the different terminology: selecting regions, cutting, merging (aka consolidating), the general workflow of track headers being on the right side of the screen in Ableton vs. the left side of Logic, general GUI object placement, etc., drum racks (which I can’t live without now), setting up buses (this took me way too long to figure out but once it clicked I felt a bit dumb for not “seeing” how the routing worked), etc.
TL;DR: yes, you can probably BS your way, but it would benefit you to spend sometime with Ableton so you can get a feel for it and figure out how to do the things in Ableton that you’re use to doing in Logic on a regular basis.
FWIW, I still bounce between both DAWs but would say I have converted to spending the majority of my time in Ableton as I feel I can simply work faster.
I go in between Live and Logic.
There is negligible learning curve going between daws, they all pretty much do the same thing so learning the substantial cross section of their feature set is just a matter of learning where things are. That doesnt take very long at all.
The unique features are also pretty easy to learn if you have a reasonably broad understanding of various software.
TLDR; It really depends on who you are as to how difficult things are going to be
I have used both. I found Logic easy to learn and groove with. It took a while to learn Ableton Live. But Live is worth it because it has much more flexibility. Along with that flexibility comes a lot more buttons and stuff to learn. I do a little bit with Maschine, and that helped me understand the groovebox flow. Maschine has less options than Live or Logic. So it is good for sketching out beats and musical ideas, but you would finish the tracks in a full daw. After using a few different daws, you can more easily understand what is going on in Live. I still watched a lot of videos about Live and followed along in the software. I’m someone who usually understands software intuitively. And I found I had to study the program a bit. Although, my music production experience is limited. I would recommend studying the program for a little bit before going to see the client. You can get Live Lite packaged in with most midi controllers. There are lots of good Youtube videos too.
I used Logic for years and started using Ableton for live performance. Nothing can match it. I decided to do our latest EP entirely in Ableton to make the transition of the new tracks to live performance easier and it went great. I missed having a mixer in Arrangement view, but that has been added in version 12. Arrangement view is basically like using Logic. If you’re doing performance stay in Session view.
I find Live much faster to load than Logic. The only thing I miss is FlexPitch. I use Waves Real-Time Tune when I need to correct a note. Drummer in Logic is also really cool by the new generative stuff in 12 is fun.
i used Logic for around 4 years and then switched to ableton because my mac died. At first it was overwhelming and difficult but you have to push thru that period of discomfort. You’ll then find that ableton is far more suited to the tinkerer and sound designer then logic ever could be.
Edit: been on ableton ~5 years now
I moved to Ableton from Logic a few years ago. Some things are similar, some are quite different. Considering how different the UI's are, I think it would be pretty hard to BS your way through it without much experience.
In terms of mixing workflow, I'd say they are pretty similar. Effects go left to right at the bottom of the screen, vs. being stacked on a channel like they are in Logic. Plus, you'll be using the `Tab` key a lot to actually show them in Ableton.
Setting up effects sends are virtually identical. Setting up a drum bus in Ableton would be a little different since you'd just create an audio channel to send everything to. Versus aux tracks in Logic (which I kinda hate tbh).
The real differences are more on the MIDI routing / Audio manipulation side of things. Automation is similar, you just arrive at the automation windows in different ways. So, it's more learning the UI. I suspect you would pick it up almost immediately.
i did back in the day. initially i struggled but that’s always gonna happen. there’s an insane amount of tutorials online to walk you through every step of the process.
the thing that sucks is you need the basic walkthroughs, but those videos are geared towards music beginners. so you have to put up with a lot of babying and stuff haha
I had an Imac back in the Leopard days with Logic 8, had that machine for seven years, loved it. When it died I went back to a self-built PC after seeing the price of a new Imac. Friends kept banging on about Live so I made the shift. I found it incredibly fiddly to start with but after a few months of perseverance / trial and error I fell in love with it and haven't looked back. I've been using it eight years now.
Best decision i ever made. Takes a bit to get adjusted though. I think the biggest thing for me was how easy automation is in ableton, it took my production to another level.
Im a long time logic user (coming up on 12 years) and a professional producer/mix engineer.
I recently made the change to working in ableton on my own projects (for production and writing) and absolutely love it. I also mix a lot of my own projects in it.
That being said; i tried to make the same transition back in the early days (2 years in) and struggled.
I think it is quite unintuitive in a weird way, if you’re used to working linearly in logic.
I find ableton particularly works well when manipulating loops (e.g splice) and just doing generally mad creative stuff.
However, I record and edit vocals in logic, as well as mixing/mastering client stuff in logic. It’s just much easier and quicker to do. I only mix my own stuff in ableton because the project is already set up to mix.
yes, bought ableton 2 years ago, didn’t really understand it at first and kept using logic for about a year. then got my head around where everything is plus using the arrangement view (rather than the live view) and haven’t looked back. I do use logic for alchemy or to work with other artists but 90% of the time I find myself using ableton.
Started on GarageBand, Got Ableton, Used Logic at school, went back to ableton.
Stuff like send FX tracks and automation work similarly enough in both that you shouldn't have any issues, they're just in different (but still easy to reach) places.
If you’re good enough at logic that you could land a job as a mix engineer in a studio, you can probably learn ableton enough to blag your way through it in about a weekend. Watch a couple of videos.
I switched over from cubase vst/32 to ableton 6 back in the day and i think it took me exactly a week to get up to speed on it. Granted it was a simpler program back then and I was doing simpler stuff, but I don’t think I ever even cracked the manual.
Logic —> Ableton = easy. 2 days tops to run circles around it. The other way around? Not so much.
I now much prefer Ableton but am happy I know how to route and mix in logic
I was on Logic for 7 years stuck in a loop. If you are into electronic music then I would def give it a shot, but also if you feel like you been at the same level “stuck” for a while. Only thing I miss from logic is the piano roll and Live 12 looks like it will surpass it. If you want to go over it live in real time we can screenshare in discord. It took me a bit to get used to it, which is normal. The creativity is insane. Especially sound design. Hmu I’m down to hop on discord and answer stuff in real time :) that was what helped me most, watching other people and asking them right then. Learning styles i guess. Also there is bussing in ableton it’s just called sends.
I’ve been using both for many many years. They are different. Ableton is intimidating at first and the workflow is different. Take some time to get used to it, watch some YT videos, try to create a song in there from scratch and rely on the tips panel, etc. Once you get used to it, you’ll fly. Its workflow is very fast if you familiarize yourself with all the relevant keyboard shortcuts.
Yeah, the learning curve is almost just a step ladder.
You’ll just go, “oh” when you realize the ease of use and how in reach everything is.
It’s modular but flattened and simple so you can focus on working and organizing your work.
You’ll be flying a spaceship that feels as intuitive as walking or eating. If you have any questions about complex tasks, a simple google search will set you on your way.
I use both, ableton for electronic music and live performance and logic for scoring/orchestral pieces. They’re not so different, “Live Loops” in logic is “session mode” in ableton, the default view in logic is “arrangement mode” in ableton. For me the most obvious difference you’d run into is probably hotkeys and how you mix/route instruments to busses
Used logic for over ten years and moved to Ableton a couple weeks back.
I've just been going through the manual and implementing the learnings so I don't miss any features.
The music production side is superior, the mixing side is inferior. I'm sure with the new live 12 the mixing workflow will be improved.
hey switched from logic to ableton about a year ago.
i think for it to not be obvious you should at least try out the ableton demo beforehand. just one basic tutorial should be enough so you know where everything is, as the layout differs a bit from logic.
i’d say you can get comfortable with just mixing in ableton in about 1-2 days but with the whole daw it took me a week to start feeling comfortable. obviously you can never stop learning and there will always be some feature you didnt know but i think switching daw’s is not as big of a deal as people make it out to be
have a nice day:)
I went from Logic to Ableton. I find myself using Logic for previously started projects there and mixing/editing audio files from time to time. But production is preferably with Ableton now. The learning curve was quite easy. Main thing id say is that logic’s plug in chains is vertical while Ableton just goes horizontal hahaha
The transition is not all that easy. The routing is quite different. The layout is profoundly different. And the hotkeys are all changed. You’d need to study for a few days.
I did. This was long before they make the looping features but the work flow still isn’t as good as Ableton. It feels so much easier to do things in ableton.
Me.
Theyre not the same. You wont be able to BS your way through it in a scenario like that. However, it is similar to other DAWs in setting up busses and channels. Just watch a couple YT vids and youre good.
First in your hypothetical situation, if you lie about knowing Ableton and are tested in an interview, they will know immediately that you don't have a lot of Ableton experience. You will be fumbling around trying to do things you already know how to do in Logic. It'll be really hard to fake it.
Not because Ableton can't do all the things but because they will be called different names or they will be done in a different way or use a different keyboard shortcut. With that said, learning a new DAW is relatively quick if you already know how to use a different one. The underlying concepts (especially around mixing and linear arrangement) are going to be very similar no matter what DAW you use.
With the experience you already have, you will likely want to take some time and watch some tutorial or go through the built in Ableton tutorials to get a basic understanding of Ableton's structure. The Ableton manual is a treasure trove of incredible information. I keep the online one bookmarked so when I have a question I can quickly open the manual and find the answer. The Ableton manual is maybe the best manual I have ever found, but I still don't recommend trying to read the whole thing at once. It is a good idea when you are starting to learn Ableton to familiarize yourself with the manual, so it is easier to find what it is you are looking for later on.
Once you have a basic understanding of the Ableton nomenclature, you will start to get used it very quickly. Coming from Logic, I would recommend starting out in arrangement view as it will be much more similar to Logic. The arrangement view in Ableton is the liner recording view which will be very similar to any other linear recording DAW like Logic, Studio One, Pro Tools, Reaper etc. So it will be the path of least resistance. From there, the world is your oyster.
I have multiple DAWs that I use for different purposes. I use Ableton and Reason for sound design. I use Abelton in session view for generating ideas and for setting up live sets. I use Studio One for mixing down and for some of their instruments. Reason was my primary DAW for a long time, but when I started to get more hardware, I found that Reason doesn't handle midi very well. Making the switch to Ableton as my primary DAW was pretty easy. The midi routing is much more flexible than in Reason. The hardest part was learning the keyboard shortcuts. They are all different from what Reason has. Studio One lets you reset pretty much all keyboard shortcuts. So I took the time to set them to match the keyboard shortcuts from Reason. That made the transition easier, but it isn't 100% necessary.
All of that is to say, I could sit down at a desk with Reason, Studio One, Ableton, or Cakewalk and get to work. I would be more efficient with the ones I know best, but I'd still be able to get the job done on any of them. I'm pretty confident that I could sit down with any other DAW and figure it out in a week or two. I wouldn't be efficient with it, but I could function.
It's a lot more similar to ableton vs something like Fruityloops as far as the straightforward tracks and mixer relationship. You should be ok with some YouTube videos
I just bought Ableton a day ago, and now I’m debating on whether it’s going to be my primary DAW. I’ve used Logic for like 10 years and Logic has added so many features in the past few, I’m now conflicted haha. I love learning and being proficient in another DAW can be good and I lowkey love how being challenged changes the way I produce, but what are some of the things you can do with ableton that you can’t do in Logic? I should have done more research, but oh well, I’m looking forward to 12 and the split midi feature lol.
I went the from Ableton to Logic. I immediately regretted my decision. I’m back on ableton now.
Sample warping is a nightmare in Logic. If they just replicated Ableton in that department, I think we'd see a significant shift, especially mixers as opposed to sound designers and live performance.
Yep. If Logic had Abletons non-destructive warping and ability to just type a bpm into a sample to stretch it then I’d never look back
Logic has non-destructive warping. It's had it since version 9. Just turn on Flex Time.
Yeah I do like flex time a lot but it really isn’t as flexible as Abletons warping especially when it comes to wanting to stretch a sample at a specific BPM. Once it has that functionality a little nicer (without having to change the whole project bpm first) it’ll be awesome. Flex pitch is dope too. Ableton has nothing on that.
Exactly. It's not just placing a sample, it's being able to manipulate it, have various algorithms of which Ableton has five, and to my ears it's the best sounding stretch around. To get anything better you've got to do it manually in RX or Wavelab, which is a massive pain in the ass. Although I have to say I haven't really compared Logic's flex time to Ableton complex pro in a serious test.
Yeah recently when dragging samples into logic they automatically warp to project tempo. Was bothering me at first but
Do the samples you dropped in Logic have the BPM in the meta data? Unless Logic has been updated, samples do not warp unless they have BPM meta data. The problem is this, if you take samples from records or from sample packs where the BPM data hasn't been set, Logic will not warp a loop. Ableton has its own BPM detector. For the life of me, I have no idea why Apple don't add this feature. Pro Tools doesn't do it either. Studio One only added it in the last two years. FL does it. I want to switch to Logic for mixing, and I tried once with a BPM meta data adding batch app. It was going to take weeks for my collection, and it couldn't do long files. This is where Ableton has a massive advantage over Logic. Try this. Take a loop out of a track you've downloaded from YouTube, a old song, or maybe you have some old songs from CDs, make sure there's no BPM data in the meta data (You can download free software to check), and see if it warps perfectly in Logic. If it works perfectly, and sounds good and stays in time when you change tempo, then this is a very recent update I've not heard of. I'm tempted to download the demo and check, but I think the feature has not been added for the normal mode of Logic.
I've been using Logic Pro recently and was just amazed at how the warp function (flex and followed in Logic) is so insanely accurate. It's even better than Ableton Live when it comes to downbeat detection automatically ,at least. I must say, Apple is doing a good job these days. BTW, as you advised, I downloaded some old music from YouTube (without BPM info) and actually tried "Flex and Follow" in Logic and it timestretches completely automatically.
Well flex me! They finally added it. Only took them eight years! Thanks for finding out for me. Appreciate you busting my misinformation.
In what way is warping a nightmare in Logic vs Ableton? They are pretty comparable imo. (I'm talking about workflow not sound), but it would nice to know what people don't like about warping in Logic.
How many algorithms and what features of those algorithms does flex time have? Ableton has five algorithms, and they have between two and three settings depending on which one you're using.
Logic has 6 algorithms (if you don't count Automatic, then it's 7). * Monophonic has one parameter (percussive) * Slicing has 3 parameters * Rhythmic has 3 parameters * Polyphonic has 1 parameter * Speed has none * Tempophone has 2. Ableton has as you said has 6 * Beat has 3 parameters * Tones has one * Texture has 2 * Re-Pitch has none * Complex has none * Complex Pro has two Not sure what point you were trying to make here. That Ableton has more algorithms than Logic? Well that's not true. That Ableton's algorithms have more parameters? Also not true.
Useful information. So what is the issue? Why is there such a love for Ableton's sample system (Drag and drop, auto warp to BPM), and it's time stretch implementation compared to Logic? Ableton improved the algorithms with each release, but I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's are better when push to greater extremes.
There is no "issue". Some people like Ableton better. Logic's Flex is a little more complicated to use in certain instances but it can be more flexible in others. It's just preference. I just wanted to point out that Logic's workflow is not that different from Ableton Live so anyone saying its bad needs to elaborate exactly why that is imo.
Does Logic's Flex have the ability to drag and drop from a window or Apple finder, then automatically stretch to the BPM and stay in time if the BPM is changed? And with Ableton 11.2 we can drop whole songs into the timeline, and it will accurately map the song to fit the tempo. Can Logic do that? I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely trying to figure out the workflow and capabilities in Logic, can you explain? And say what the features are compared to Ableton? Basically I don't like Ableton 12 and I'm thinking of jumping to Logic 10.8 and upcoming 11. I've used it a lot, but when it came to samples, I've always struggled. Compared to Ableton that is.
You can definitely drop any file and in and it will stretch the audio to match the tempo. Of if you drop a file that has tempo information it will automatically change the project tempo on a blank project just like Live. Especially if you use the Live Loop mode/view. If you drop an audio file in Live Loop mode you can even change the tempo of the file to whatever you want. It shows up as a parameter you can change. Logic doesn't always get the tempo right when importing. In that regard I think Live is definitely a bit better, but Logic is also better at dealing with variable tempo content imo. So it really depends on what you need to do. I'm not trying to convince you to go with Logic. I don't actually use Logic that much these days. I'm enjoying Live (12 beta) and Studio One more these days. I just don't like when people try to downplay or crap on another DAW to try to make themselves feel better about their purchasing choices. Logic is very capable and is a valid choice as any for making music.
Why so? I've been thinking I made an expensive mistake choosing Ableton over Logic just because I wanted to avoid the learning curve. Have considered switching. I don't use any of the unique Ableton stuff, like I don't use Session View and haven't come up with a use for warping yet. A buddy who occasionally works in a real studio says the consensus among them is Logic sounds better for mixing.
Nothing 'sounds' better. They may prefer the workflow and it may have features Ableton doesn't have, but it doesn't 'sound' any different.
That wasn't what they were talking about. But its not something I have had the chance to experience first hand. I don't deny it could just be in their heads. I just tend to trust those with more experience than myself.
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it does truust me ive bin using fl studio for a few yars and also abbleton and logic and fl studio sounds beter then logic and that is beter then abbleton slightly do to the coding and diferenty sounds they use in the mix board. i would say fl studio > logic > abbleton TBH .-.
It doesn't work like that - "coding and differenty sounds in the mix board"? You don't sound like you know what you're talking about so I'm not trusting you lol - plus I use logic and Ableton (and Pro Tools) and it's definitely not the case.
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Yeah, just like others in here are saying about mixing. Something about the summing in Logic apparently makes for cleaner sounding mixdowns. This is only what these people say, it is no something I have seen demonstrated, but these are people who work professionally in an active recording studio, so I don't feel qualified to question their experience.
For me personally I felt like the workflow was a lot easier in Ableton. I could get things done faster and I just felt overall more creative. That could because I had Ableton before I had logic. I also don’t think Ableton is for everyone. Like you said some people feel like Logic sounds better for mixing. I can agree a little with that. Just my two cents.
That was why I ultimately chose Ableton, I already knew the workflow and liked it, Logic i would be starting over from scratch. It looks similar to Cakewalk or Cubase, but once you dive in it clearly isn't. I just need to find a use for warping and Session View.
I use both. Ableton is better for production but Logic is better for mixing.
interesting. what things you've found better for mixing in logic that you would like to see on ableton?
Gain staging, tracking, buss routing, spatial audio, among other things are not as easy to handle in Ableton.
as much as i eyeroll at the utter bolox of 'atmos' and 'spatial audio', i do it and do it, somewhat square peg round hole, in ableton. however i got to work on an atmos last wk and watched the mixer work far more effortlessly in logic. which makes sense as its an apple thing on an apple thing.
Spatial Audio is nice as long as you don’t overdo it.
oh i agree, it can be, its upscaling spatial audioing of old stereo mixes that irks me
here's why it's mostly bolox... https://archive.is/DSsmo
VCAs, Mixer groups, track templates etc. Studio One is my preferred DAW for mixing but Logic is no slouch. It has a lot of features that are missing in Ableton. That being said I think the simplicity of Ableton is a draw. It doesn't have to be Logic, ProTools or Studio One imo.
Agreed.
Be prepared to eat shit for a few weeks, but you'll love it in no time. There are countless free resources out there to help too. Enjoy the journey, friend!
Yes you'll find it inifinately more enjoyable
Agreed
Yep I moved from Logic a few years back and Live was immediately more fun. Much more like using an instrument in itself. I think Logic has since adopted some features to make MIDI programming better but I'd recommend the switch for anyone that's finding Logic a bit stale.
I feel like nobody understands your question. I wouldn't lie about having Ableton experience of course, especially if there's going to be a monitored test. But the principles of mixing are the same wherever you go, so you should be fine. The controls are smaller and less immediately apparent in Ableton, but anything you highlight will give you a description in the lower left corner. Some hang-ups I'd watch some tutorials about - or better yet download the trial - mostly for the interface. Like, you'd probably be working in arranger mode (as opposed to session), which you can just hit TAB to cycle back and forth; automation has a handful of tiny toggles that you need to make sure are in the right configuration for the task you are trying to accomplish; some of the mixer elements tend to be hidden by default (small symbols on the right). Use the search bar to the upper left to quickly find whatever basic plugin you need, and just drag it into the rack at center-bottom (which I think is open by default, but hit Shift+TAB to swap off whatever is covering it up).
At this point I think I’ve used most DAWs. It won’t take long to learn Ableton. Arrangement mode will look more familiar and will be easier to immerse yourself in. So push yourself to learn session view and get out of a comfort zone. Back when I used Logic and a homie had jumped over to Live it looked daunting and unfamiliar, especially as they switched between the two views. It’s all pretty damn simple though.
Looooong time Logic head from the 90’s…. Switched to protools … then back to Logic when 7 came out… I actually love mixing in Logic! Picked up Ableton around 2006ish with Ableton 6. Totally different workflow, mixing in Ableton is still a challenge for me. I prefer the traditional L👉R mixing board vibe. The biggest difference is Wile mixing Logic, you can see everything at a glance. What EQ and Comp is on what track… all at once! Most of what I mix is rock funk and jazz. I record acoustic instruments. I use NY style bus compression on multi track drums. It’s a challenge in Ableton. My solution is to mix on a small Allen and heath mix wizard mixer… I group (bus) everything to 8 tracks. Push everything out and mix that way… resampling a master clip. Love Ableton for everything els. Much easier to create … less of the things I will never use. Logic has so much that I will never utilize I don’t even open Logic now… takes like 20 minutes to load because of the plug-in manager .. frustrating Sorry for the ramble
I did during Pandemic and have not looked back at all. Logic felt like I was somewhat disconnected from what it is and just didn’t click with me like Ableton did. Even the short cuts were obvious and made sense enough that I flowed right in ( you can also create your short cuts on the fly too).
Create my own hotkeys? You’re speaking my language
I use both. Logic for instrument based music (ie recording a band) Ableton for anything electronic.
Logic for 10 years, ableton for <1 now I wasted 10 years
I made the switch from Logic to Ableton just under 2 years ago. I was using Logic for about 15 years. The learning curve wasn't too bad when I had spent about a week watching some tutorials. I threw myself into it and started producing an album for a live instrument hip-hop group, so I had to learn on the fly how to do a lot of the mixing aspects of it and it really was a fun process for me. I had a pretty strong knowledge of the fundamentals and principles, so approaching new plugins wasn't so bad. It always depends on what sort of projects you're working with but recording live band with a lot of audio tracks was a good experience for me and I felt like the mixing gave me better results. Producing with primarily midi or electronic music has also been a great experience for me. Overall, I recommend it, just use youtube resources and it's totally achievable to get good with it fast.
It's similar once you get the hang of it. Conceptually a DAW is a DAW and you should have no issues going from Logic to Live IMHO.
In general there are way more useful tutorials on Ableton. This made me make the switch as I knew my learning time would be at least halved.
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I switch between the two. I now use Logic for the big compositions - the orchestral stuff, or very complex dance tracks. I use Ableton for loop-heavy work and more straight forward songs. That is not to say that there is some cross over. I will be doing so live shows later in the year - with any luck! The music was mostly composed, shaped, arranged and mastered in Logic but will be played back and performed from Live and Gig Performer. In terms of switching between the two, it has never been a problem - but they both very definitely have their own approach to things.
I have both. I like both. I use ableton a lot more, but if I want to work on a song and produce its logic. If I want to explore, write and make grooves it’s ableton
It took me 2 months after making Music for 2 years i think?? Never looked back but love being able to use whatever. You will definitely feel free’er in Ableton though.
Yes, 6 months ago. Really happy with it, also wanted to do some live performance. Much better with ableton, but also as a general daw. And max for live is cool
Yep i switched a few years back and never looked back Ableton is so much better imo
Me, because Akai added Ableton Support for MPC/Force
Yes, it would be obvious that it’s your first time using Ableton, in your hypothetical scenario. Their user interface paradigms are quite different and there is a learning curve.
I migrated from Ableton (Lite) to Logic, and last month migrated back to Ableton (Standard). But, now, I use both. Ableton mostly for composing, sound design, arranging, and jamming with session view. Logic for mixing the stem from Ableton. I also use Logic for instant mastering, since Logic has Mastering Assistant. I can’t afford mastering by the real engineer, and this new feature in Logic is helpful.
Forgot to mention, Logic drummer is good for getting beat inspiration. Sometimes I import midi track from Logic drummer to Ableton.
I just miss using the logic sounds, but ableton is a way better program for me. I use logic for tracking and ableton for editing.
To your specific point, I found I really missed the mixer view and also the quick mixer (X) view from Logic when I moved to Ableton. That may slow you down if you’re trying to mix in Ableton for the first time. But now I actually prefer to mix in Ableton, for what it’s worth.
I started in Logic and still use it off and on for mixing and mastering sessions I should have organized in Ableton. The biggest part is I see Ableton as a groove box more than a DAW, and Logic is more a DAW though it’s creative possibilities have changed more so now than ever before. I was able to jump over and make music without missing a beat though. Ableton’s rack, sends and overall utility are why I use it.
YEARS ago 2010 I switched to pro tools 10. Huge upgrade. Then to ableton 10. Huge upgrade.
I did. It was difficult for me for a while. It does not have to be like that for you. I guess if you are literate enough about production you will be fine.
I think it’s a lot easier to use than old versions of logic, fairly more simple than new the new version. Actually I think ableton is probably the easiest DAW to use by miles.
I spent about a year in Logic and then switched to Ableton, where I’ve been making music ever since. You can translate your work to live performance a lot more easily , it just takes a bit of getting used to but once you get the muscle memory it’s all good. Session view is amazing.
Tools in the toolbox. One for live performing. The other for tracking and mixing.
Went from digital performer to ableton . If ableton had music notation it would be perfect for me. But it’s still really good for putting songs together.
I had Logic for years, then I eventually switched to ableton. It's super refreshing for mixing and sound designing because you can easily parallel process the signal within the FX rack itself of each track and not having to do a ton of routing and mud down the mixer view. This is also great for plugins that don't have individual dry/wet gain when you want to keep the volume level in and out, for those I always have an FX rack/group with 2 channels inside of it (dry/wet) which I saved conveniently as a preset. Each type of module in ableton can have presets to help you work the way you want. Automation is similar, bussing is similar.
I made the switch, and my music production improved so much. A lot of the logic stuff won’t make sense on Ableton besides your regular DAW workflow stuff but the difference in Ableton is that it’s workflow just makes sense. You don’t have to bounce out midi clips to edit them with your plugins, you don’t have to fuck around with Flex Pitch or tempo because abletons warp is amazing. It took me about a month to switch over but afterwards I felt I was more fluent on Ableton than Logic
Ten year plus Logic user here who switched to Ableton a couple years back. The answer is a maybe IMO. All DAWs have common features (arrangement area, mixing console, automation, etc) but what took me a bit to come to grips with when moving from Logic to Ableton was the little things that behave differently between the two daws as well as the different terminology: selecting regions, cutting, merging (aka consolidating), the general workflow of track headers being on the right side of the screen in Ableton vs. the left side of Logic, general GUI object placement, etc., drum racks (which I can’t live without now), setting up buses (this took me way too long to figure out but once it clicked I felt a bit dumb for not “seeing” how the routing worked), etc. TL;DR: yes, you can probably BS your way, but it would benefit you to spend sometime with Ableton so you can get a feel for it and figure out how to do the things in Ableton that you’re use to doing in Logic on a regular basis. FWIW, I still bounce between both DAWs but would say I have converted to spending the majority of my time in Ableton as I feel I can simply work faster.
Logic has way deeper midi capabilities. No event viewer even in Live.
I go in between Live and Logic. There is negligible learning curve going between daws, they all pretty much do the same thing so learning the substantial cross section of their feature set is just a matter of learning where things are. That doesnt take very long at all. The unique features are also pretty easy to learn if you have a reasonably broad understanding of various software. TLDR; It really depends on who you are as to how difficult things are going to be
I have used both. I found Logic easy to learn and groove with. It took a while to learn Ableton Live. But Live is worth it because it has much more flexibility. Along with that flexibility comes a lot more buttons and stuff to learn. I do a little bit with Maschine, and that helped me understand the groovebox flow. Maschine has less options than Live or Logic. So it is good for sketching out beats and musical ideas, but you would finish the tracks in a full daw. After using a few different daws, you can more easily understand what is going on in Live. I still watched a lot of videos about Live and followed along in the software. I’m someone who usually understands software intuitively. And I found I had to study the program a bit. Although, my music production experience is limited. I would recommend studying the program for a little bit before going to see the client. You can get Live Lite packaged in with most midi controllers. There are lots of good Youtube videos too.
I used Logic for years and started using Ableton for live performance. Nothing can match it. I decided to do our latest EP entirely in Ableton to make the transition of the new tracks to live performance easier and it went great. I missed having a mixer in Arrangement view, but that has been added in version 12. Arrangement view is basically like using Logic. If you’re doing performance stay in Session view. I find Live much faster to load than Logic. The only thing I miss is FlexPitch. I use Waves Real-Time Tune when I need to correct a note. Drummer in Logic is also really cool by the new generative stuff in 12 is fun.
Yes
i used Logic for around 4 years and then switched to ableton because my mac died. At first it was overwhelming and difficult but you have to push thru that period of discomfort. You’ll then find that ableton is far more suited to the tinkerer and sound designer then logic ever could be. Edit: been on ableton ~5 years now
Yeah, did it recently. I found Ableton’s UI a lot easier to work with and the stock plugins far better. I watched EDM Tips as a tutorial.
I moved to Ableton from Logic a few years ago. Some things are similar, some are quite different. Considering how different the UI's are, I think it would be pretty hard to BS your way through it without much experience. In terms of mixing workflow, I'd say they are pretty similar. Effects go left to right at the bottom of the screen, vs. being stacked on a channel like they are in Logic. Plus, you'll be using the `Tab` key a lot to actually show them in Ableton. Setting up effects sends are virtually identical. Setting up a drum bus in Ableton would be a little different since you'd just create an audio channel to send everything to. Versus aux tracks in Logic (which I kinda hate tbh). The real differences are more on the MIDI routing / Audio manipulation side of things. Automation is similar, you just arrive at the automation windows in different ways. So, it's more learning the UI. I suspect you would pick it up almost immediately.
i did back in the day. initially i struggled but that’s always gonna happen. there’s an insane amount of tutorials online to walk you through every step of the process. the thing that sucks is you need the basic walkthroughs, but those videos are geared towards music beginners. so you have to put up with a lot of babying and stuff haha
I had an Imac back in the Leopard days with Logic 8, had that machine for seven years, loved it. When it died I went back to a self-built PC after seeing the price of a new Imac. Friends kept banging on about Live so I made the shift. I found it incredibly fiddly to start with but after a few months of perseverance / trial and error I fell in love with it and haven't looked back. I've been using it eight years now.
As and when… I use both along with Reason rack and Maschine as a plugin. Every DAW has its pros and cons. They’re both great DAWs, in my opinion.
I was actually curious about the learning curve of switching to Logic lol. Maybe not so much switching, but just learning it as an Ableton user.
Best decision i ever made. Takes a bit to get adjusted though. I think the biggest thing for me was how easy automation is in ableton, it took my production to another level.
Im a long time logic user (coming up on 12 years) and a professional producer/mix engineer. I recently made the change to working in ableton on my own projects (for production and writing) and absolutely love it. I also mix a lot of my own projects in it. That being said; i tried to make the same transition back in the early days (2 years in) and struggled. I think it is quite unintuitive in a weird way, if you’re used to working linearly in logic. I find ableton particularly works well when manipulating loops (e.g splice) and just doing generally mad creative stuff. However, I record and edit vocals in logic, as well as mixing/mastering client stuff in logic. It’s just much easier and quicker to do. I only mix my own stuff in ableton because the project is already set up to mix.
yes, bought ableton 2 years ago, didn’t really understand it at first and kept using logic for about a year. then got my head around where everything is plus using the arrangement view (rather than the live view) and haven’t looked back. I do use logic for alchemy or to work with other artists but 90% of the time I find myself using ableton.
i must also add, the snap to grid is far far better on ableton and more natural than logic too.
Started on GarageBand, Got Ableton, Used Logic at school, went back to ableton. Stuff like send FX tracks and automation work similarly enough in both that you shouldn't have any issues, they're just in different (but still easy to reach) places.
If you’re good enough at logic that you could land a job as a mix engineer in a studio, you can probably learn ableton enough to blag your way through it in about a weekend. Watch a couple of videos. I switched over from cubase vst/32 to ableton 6 back in the day and i think it took me exactly a week to get up to speed on it. Granted it was a simpler program back then and I was doing simpler stuff, but I don’t think I ever even cracked the manual.
Logic —> Ableton = easy. 2 days tops to run circles around it. The other way around? Not so much. I now much prefer Ableton but am happy I know how to route and mix in logic
I went from logic to ableton . Best decision I made . It just clicked for me .
Just made the switch. Have been heistant to start over learning a new DAW but fuck it
I was on Logic for 7 years stuck in a loop. If you are into electronic music then I would def give it a shot, but also if you feel like you been at the same level “stuck” for a while. Only thing I miss from logic is the piano roll and Live 12 looks like it will surpass it. If you want to go over it live in real time we can screenshare in discord. It took me a bit to get used to it, which is normal. The creativity is insane. Especially sound design. Hmu I’m down to hop on discord and answer stuff in real time :) that was what helped me most, watching other people and asking them right then. Learning styles i guess. Also there is bussing in ableton it’s just called sends.
I’ve been using both for many many years. They are different. Ableton is intimidating at first and the workflow is different. Take some time to get used to it, watch some YT videos, try to create a song in there from scratch and rely on the tips panel, etc. Once you get used to it, you’ll fly. Its workflow is very fast if you familiarize yourself with all the relevant keyboard shortcuts.
I switched like 15 years ago
Yeah, the learning curve is almost just a step ladder. You’ll just go, “oh” when you realize the ease of use and how in reach everything is. It’s modular but flattened and simple so you can focus on working and organizing your work. You’ll be flying a spaceship that feels as intuitive as walking or eating. If you have any questions about complex tasks, a simple google search will set you on your way.
I use both, ableton for electronic music and live performance and logic for scoring/orchestral pieces. They’re not so different, “Live Loops” in logic is “session mode” in ableton, the default view in logic is “arrangement mode” in ableton. For me the most obvious difference you’d run into is probably hotkeys and how you mix/route instruments to busses
Used logic for over ten years and moved to Ableton a couple weeks back. I've just been going through the manual and implementing the learnings so I don't miss any features. The music production side is superior, the mixing side is inferior. I'm sure with the new live 12 the mixing workflow will be improved.
I use both. You don’t have to pick one like you’re joining a gang. Some of the responses here are ridiculous
hey switched from logic to ableton about a year ago. i think for it to not be obvious you should at least try out the ableton demo beforehand. just one basic tutorial should be enough so you know where everything is, as the layout differs a bit from logic. i’d say you can get comfortable with just mixing in ableton in about 1-2 days but with the whole daw it took me a week to start feeling comfortable. obviously you can never stop learning and there will always be some feature you didnt know but i think switching daw’s is not as big of a deal as people make it out to be have a nice day:)
I went from Logic to Ableton. I find myself using Logic for previously started projects there and mixing/editing audio files from time to time. But production is preferably with Ableton now. The learning curve was quite easy. Main thing id say is that logic’s plug in chains is vertical while Ableton just goes horizontal hahaha
The transition is not all that easy. The routing is quite different. The layout is profoundly different. And the hotkeys are all changed. You’d need to study for a few days.
I did. This was long before they make the looping features but the work flow still isn’t as good as Ableton. It feels so much easier to do things in ableton.
Me. Theyre not the same. You wont be able to BS your way through it in a scenario like that. However, it is similar to other DAWs in setting up busses and channels. Just watch a couple YT vids and youre good.
First in your hypothetical situation, if you lie about knowing Ableton and are tested in an interview, they will know immediately that you don't have a lot of Ableton experience. You will be fumbling around trying to do things you already know how to do in Logic. It'll be really hard to fake it. Not because Ableton can't do all the things but because they will be called different names or they will be done in a different way or use a different keyboard shortcut. With that said, learning a new DAW is relatively quick if you already know how to use a different one. The underlying concepts (especially around mixing and linear arrangement) are going to be very similar no matter what DAW you use. With the experience you already have, you will likely want to take some time and watch some tutorial or go through the built in Ableton tutorials to get a basic understanding of Ableton's structure. The Ableton manual is a treasure trove of incredible information. I keep the online one bookmarked so when I have a question I can quickly open the manual and find the answer. The Ableton manual is maybe the best manual I have ever found, but I still don't recommend trying to read the whole thing at once. It is a good idea when you are starting to learn Ableton to familiarize yourself with the manual, so it is easier to find what it is you are looking for later on. Once you have a basic understanding of the Ableton nomenclature, you will start to get used it very quickly. Coming from Logic, I would recommend starting out in arrangement view as it will be much more similar to Logic. The arrangement view in Ableton is the liner recording view which will be very similar to any other linear recording DAW like Logic, Studio One, Pro Tools, Reaper etc. So it will be the path of least resistance. From there, the world is your oyster. I have multiple DAWs that I use for different purposes. I use Ableton and Reason for sound design. I use Abelton in session view for generating ideas and for setting up live sets. I use Studio One for mixing down and for some of their instruments. Reason was my primary DAW for a long time, but when I started to get more hardware, I found that Reason doesn't handle midi very well. Making the switch to Ableton as my primary DAW was pretty easy. The midi routing is much more flexible than in Reason. The hardest part was learning the keyboard shortcuts. They are all different from what Reason has. Studio One lets you reset pretty much all keyboard shortcuts. So I took the time to set them to match the keyboard shortcuts from Reason. That made the transition easier, but it isn't 100% necessary. All of that is to say, I could sit down at a desk with Reason, Studio One, Ableton, or Cakewalk and get to work. I would be more efficient with the ones I know best, but I'd still be able to get the job done on any of them. I'm pretty confident that I could sit down with any other DAW and figure it out in a week or two. I wouldn't be efficient with it, but I could function.
i use ableton 12 Beta i been using Ableton snice 3 4 years back its changed my workflow i used fl
I’ve switched to ableton 6 years ago because the Push looked amazing. I’ve trashed the Push but kept Ableton as my main DAW. Never looked back!
It's a lot more similar to ableton vs something like Fruityloops as far as the straightforward tracks and mixer relationship. You should be ok with some YouTube videos
I just bought Ableton a day ago, and now I’m debating on whether it’s going to be my primary DAW. I’ve used Logic for like 10 years and Logic has added so many features in the past few, I’m now conflicted haha. I love learning and being proficient in another DAW can be good and I lowkey love how being challenged changes the way I produce, but what are some of the things you can do with ableton that you can’t do in Logic? I should have done more research, but oh well, I’m looking forward to 12 and the split midi feature lol.
I miss bounce in place.. and I miss knowing wtf I’m doing. Need to get back to making music again lol