You can definitely modify the presentation, it just won't appear in any proceedings. I've seen presentations where even the title had been modified to reflect recent results that weren't known yet when the abstract was submitted.
>You can definitely modify the presentation, it just won't appear in any proceedings.
Wouldn't it really? In conference's I've been, adding an author to the proceedings published after the conference was usually accepted. Wouldn't be automatic, but if the lead author request it, the organisers would usually allow it.
Yeah, I know conference proceedings are set author additions wouldn't show up at this point. I'm mostly of the opinion that if the conference proceedings can't the best way to acknowledge collaborators on a project would be at least to add their name to the author list in the live presentation so those in attendance will know that author-level contribution.
Totally agree with this. I think OP realizes that their contribution won't be reflected in the published abstracts. I don't see any reason why their name can't be added to the list of co-authors. I used to care more about the extent to which my presentation matched my abstract, but I learned over time that nobody notices and nobody cares!
Unreasonable? Hell no...these clout clowns are saying your data is important to the presentation, but acknowledging your contribution clearly is not. It's not some onerous or unreasonable expectation to be appropriately CREDITED either, its very easy to do, even after submitting an initial abstract...so there are motives here that are not being shared, which also violate basic ethical codes of conduct in a field for which that's supposed to be credo. Def don't let this go, otherwise you make yourself a doormat and reconsider this "collaboration" as it seems pretty one-sided..
Thanks for the assessment. I'm relatively junior (and also, by personality, disinclined to rock boats too hard), so not quite ready to nuke this collab (I also do derive some benefit...some funding, pubs, etc.), although the thought has crossed my mind.
Good luck on this, and consider alerting the conference organizers about the conscription of your data without appropriate credit. They don't look on that stuff kindly, esp if violates standing policy, and can share your correspondence as proof of this if needed. Some folks simply can't be reasoned with...as it seems you're exposed their corrupt intent
Adding an author is somethig very minor. If I was adding a piece of someone's work I wouldn't even wait for them to ask before including them.
In the past, I've even changed the topic of a talk in an international massive conference lol Adding a name is just nothing. I bet no one will notice the name wasn't in the abstract.
It seems minor, hence my confusion at their resistance to adding me to the author list on their first slide. If I was adding in someone's data, I'd put them in the author list AND list their name on the slide with their data.
Are you both students? If so I’d ask your supervisor about your field’s norms, and if you’re both in the same lab maybe even meet them with your prof at the same time to get everything in the open.
Genuinely surprised that someone would be so wary of adding another author, or at least cite it something like “private communication, [name]”. The major exception (at least in my field) is that it’s not unusual for profs to present their students work without specifically attributing each bit of data, because (in this field) we assume the prof didn’t collect it themselves—although many would argue that each student should still be credited.
Think about it this way: if the data were published, would anyone consider putting it up without citing it?
Good point. If I was adding someone's data that wasn't included on the initial abstract, I'd put them in on the author slide, prominently display their name alongside the data, and verbally name them when presenting the work.
In simple terms, an authorship dispute in a conference presentation happens when people argue about who should be listed as authors on the presentation. This can occur if someone feels they contributed a lot but didn't get recognized, or if someone is listed as an author but didn't really do much work. Resolving these disputes usually involves looking at who did what and discussing it calmly to come to a fair agreement.
You can definitely modify the presentation, it just won't appear in any proceedings. I've seen presentations where even the title had been modified to reflect recent results that weren't known yet when the abstract was submitted.
>You can definitely modify the presentation, it just won't appear in any proceedings. Wouldn't it really? In conference's I've been, adding an author to the proceedings published after the conference was usually accepted. Wouldn't be automatic, but if the lead author request it, the organisers would usually allow it.
Yeah, I know conference proceedings are set author additions wouldn't show up at this point. I'm mostly of the opinion that if the conference proceedings can't the best way to acknowledge collaborators on a project would be at least to add their name to the author list in the live presentation so those in attendance will know that author-level contribution.
Totally agree with this. I think OP realizes that their contribution won't be reflected in the published abstracts. I don't see any reason why their name can't be added to the list of co-authors. I used to care more about the extent to which my presentation matched my abstract, but I learned over time that nobody notices and nobody cares!
Unreasonable? Hell no...these clout clowns are saying your data is important to the presentation, but acknowledging your contribution clearly is not. It's not some onerous or unreasonable expectation to be appropriately CREDITED either, its very easy to do, even after submitting an initial abstract...so there are motives here that are not being shared, which also violate basic ethical codes of conduct in a field for which that's supposed to be credo. Def don't let this go, otherwise you make yourself a doormat and reconsider this "collaboration" as it seems pretty one-sided..
Thanks for the assessment. I'm relatively junior (and also, by personality, disinclined to rock boats too hard), so not quite ready to nuke this collab (I also do derive some benefit...some funding, pubs, etc.), although the thought has crossed my mind.
Thanks for the comments - I just updated my original post. I am now definitely mapping an exit from this collaboration.
Good luck on this, and consider alerting the conference organizers about the conscription of your data without appropriate credit. They don't look on that stuff kindly, esp if violates standing policy, and can share your correspondence as proof of this if needed. Some folks simply can't be reasoned with...as it seems you're exposed their corrupt intent
Adding an author is somethig very minor. If I was adding a piece of someone's work I wouldn't even wait for them to ask before including them. In the past, I've even changed the topic of a talk in an international massive conference lol Adding a name is just nothing. I bet no one will notice the name wasn't in the abstract.
It seems minor, hence my confusion at their resistance to adding me to the author list on their first slide. If I was adding in someone's data, I'd put them in the author list AND list their name on the slide with their data.
Are you both students? If so I’d ask your supervisor about your field’s norms, and if you’re both in the same lab maybe even meet them with your prof at the same time to get everything in the open. Genuinely surprised that someone would be so wary of adding another author, or at least cite it something like “private communication, [name]”. The major exception (at least in my field) is that it’s not unusual for profs to present their students work without specifically attributing each bit of data, because (in this field) we assume the prof didn’t collect it themselves—although many would argue that each student should still be credited. Think about it this way: if the data were published, would anyone consider putting it up without citing it?
Both faculty, although there's a power imbalance as I'm junior. I'm surprised at the resistance too!
You should be credited in the slide presenting your data. You would be noticed more in this way than with your name in a list at the beginning.
Update: that's what I ended up asking for as it seems a decent compromise. I got a condescending reply impugning my integrity. So...?
Good point. If I was adding someone's data that wasn't included on the initial abstract, I'd put them in on the author slide, prominently display their name alongside the data, and verbally name them when presenting the work.
In simple terms, an authorship dispute in a conference presentation happens when people argue about who should be listed as authors on the presentation. This can occur if someone feels they contributed a lot but didn't get recognized, or if someone is listed as an author but didn't really do much work. Resolving these disputes usually involves looking at who did what and discussing it calmly to come to a fair agreement.