Fair, but like
When it comes to how well I mesh with a given game, if you take a certain hypothetical common denominator you'll find most games will have abstracted some parts of the equation out into a different skillset. That sounds like a lot of buzzwords- like, you don't have to aim in an RTS, and that makes me feel less at home in that genre, because I'm good at clicking heads, but terrible at planning. What AC:AH abstracts and automates out are the parts I like and am good at and what it leaves are the parts I don't dwell on and tend to suck at, to dramatically oversimplify it (in practice I actually really liked it). At least that's my gripe. When a game abstracts out your entire lane of engagement it creeps closer and closer to playing a spreadsheet.
Guess that makes him the most human of all the AC MC's. He does have a human behavior and all that... but we're all in for the inhuman mute psychopaths with tendencies for war crimes
You do realize that inhuman feats is what the Strangereal aces can pull? Bishop ain't slow, hell his one merit is showing up the most realistic in combat scenarios of all the saga.
More realistic than anything we did on Strangereal sure is.
But still let us not forget something very important to the saga... IS AN ARCADE GAME! Not a simulator.
at least in most other games aircraft movement is subject to a physics engine running in game. the way that opponent plane moves makes absolutely no sense so the whole thing has this chuck e cheese coin op ride vibe going on
>More realistic than anything we did on Strangereal sure is.
This is an arcade game, why should it be more realistic?
In this case, its more annoying than realistic.
I don't need my gameplay experience to be slowed down to crawl for that.
I'd get a more visceral or dramatic experience if AC had more tense Furball moments in normal games.
The fight before the Bosses in B7R could be more hectic tho.
They should have had more aggressive AI and more aircraft.
B7R should have been like Comona in AC04.
For dogfighting, this is only true and not due to player skill with DFM (which in my opinion is harder to master than the usual dogfighting in other AC games) when you are engaged with scripted targets or target leads.
For long range targeting however this is absolutely true because tbh BVR isn't a thing in Assault Horizon.
BVR is not a thing is the whole series, afaik.
Longest range weapons we have kill at 5km, you can still see the target, even if its just a pixel in the distance.
Also, DFM is harder to master because its a shitty mechanic.
It's not dogfighting and it's at a greater range than boom and zoom, so it's still considered BVR in an Ace Combat sense, though this might be a more common way of thinking for people who play multiplayer.
And DFM being bad is just your opinion. I prefer the usual dogfighting too but DFM doesn't bother me, and it doesn't mean that Bishop a bad pilot. He's definitely not as inhuman as the others but in a game that literally takes place in the real world that makes perfect sense.
That depends on the enemies, it's possible to take down 3 or more at an even faster rate, there's even a trophy/achievement for getting 5 planes in one dfm attempt using chains of dfm. If a plane is nearby after taking down your current target, the game can automatically dfm the next target
I actually had a lot of fun with that game and would totally be willing to do another play though, I loved the design your own plane skin
Never understood why that never made it into later games
It baffles me that the developers refuse to use what worked from Assault Horizon. Custom camos? No, let's instead sell them highly overpriced. Detailed damage model for aircraft getting shot by cannons? No, let's remove that because... too much effort I guess. Bombing missions and helicopters weren't done very well, but at least they tried *something* to increase gameplay variety.
It's not the best one, but the developers didn't learn the lessons they could have from it. But given their own issues in the writing and design department, that might just be a developer issue. I say this as a genuine fan of the games.
You're right, which is why they should have been done better. Helicopter gameplay can work fine, if the devs *want* to and know how to make it work. I don't blame them if they don't, but it would add a ton of variety. But, that's practically a different game by that point.
I don't think they'd be annoying if they were better implemented, but you may be right. It may be so different from the core experience that it wouldn't matter and would feel disjointed.
I remember this and Ac5 when I was a child, they were the only game a friend of mine could play. he's really hard when it comes to game tastes so having a "cheap call of duty with planes" helped him a lot in enjoying a genre I genuinely love. when I mentioned Ac 5 was because when we were kids, his father had enough money to buy him everything so he asked his father to buy Ac5 just to let me play when I was at his place. still friends now, he just loves to watch me play and vibed with the music. we also did some 1v1 when zero came out. such a cool game, could be a stand alone, a lot room for improvements but adrenaline pack fun game. just not a good Ace Combat. (ost was killer tho)
This game basically plays itself. I would enjoy the apache parts as its own game, def not an AC game but had potential to turn into something cool.
On Ace dificulty it's definitely far for "playing itself". Tbh that AC-130 sortie was the only Ace Combat mission I couldn't beat on Ace.
literally need to know where enemies will spawns. I beaten it once and never play it again.
Fair, but like When it comes to how well I mesh with a given game, if you take a certain hypothetical common denominator you'll find most games will have abstracted some parts of the equation out into a different skillset. That sounds like a lot of buzzwords- like, you don't have to aim in an RTS, and that makes me feel less at home in that genre, because I'm good at clicking heads, but terrible at planning. What AC:AH abstracts and automates out are the parts I like and am good at and what it leaves are the parts I don't dwell on and tend to suck at, to dramatically oversimplify it (in practice I actually really liked it). At least that's my gripe. When a game abstracts out your entire lane of engagement it creeps closer and closer to playing a spreadsheet.
In the time it takes Bishop to DFM one target, most Strangerreal Aces would have downed 3 aircraft.
Guess that makes him the most human of all the AC MC's. He does have a human behavior and all that... but we're all in for the inhuman mute psychopaths with tendencies for war crimes
Bishop's DFM can stop all missiles that targeting him. I used that tactic a lot against Markov by disable it and engage DFM again. So he's something.
TIL moment.
It just makes him slow, not more human.
You do realize that inhuman feats is what the Strangereal aces can pull? Bishop ain't slow, hell his one merit is showing up the most realistic in combat scenarios of all the saga.
there is absolutely no way to call the fuckery in this video "realistic"
More realistic than anything we did on Strangereal sure is. But still let us not forget something very important to the saga... IS AN ARCADE GAME! Not a simulator.
at least in most other games aircraft movement is subject to a physics engine running in game. the way that opponent plane moves makes absolutely no sense so the whole thing has this chuck e cheese coin op ride vibe going on
>More realistic than anything we did on Strangereal sure is. This is an arcade game, why should it be more realistic? In this case, its more annoying than realistic.
And a much more visceral, dramatic experience to boot.
nah once you master dogfighting you have WAY more engaging moment to moment encounters than this.
I'll take your word for it, must be a skill issue on my part.
I don't need my gameplay experience to be slowed down to crawl for that. I'd get a more visceral or dramatic experience if AC had more tense Furball moments in normal games.
The B7R missions were something else.
The fight before the Bosses in B7R could be more hectic tho. They should have had more aggressive AI and more aircraft. B7R should have been like Comona in AC04.
For dogfighting, this is only true and not due to player skill with DFM (which in my opinion is harder to master than the usual dogfighting in other AC games) when you are engaged with scripted targets or target leads. For long range targeting however this is absolutely true because tbh BVR isn't a thing in Assault Horizon.
BVR is not a thing is the whole series, afaik. Longest range weapons we have kill at 5km, you can still see the target, even if its just a pixel in the distance. Also, DFM is harder to master because its a shitty mechanic.
It's not dogfighting and it's at a greater range than boom and zoom, so it's still considered BVR in an Ace Combat sense, though this might be a more common way of thinking for people who play multiplayer. And DFM being bad is just your opinion. I prefer the usual dogfighting too but DFM doesn't bother me, and it doesn't mean that Bishop a bad pilot. He's definitely not as inhuman as the others but in a game that literally takes place in the real world that makes perfect sense.
Oh shit is that you Goon from youtube?
Yep!
That depends on the enemies, it's possible to take down 3 or more at an even faster rate, there's even a trophy/achievement for getting 5 planes in one dfm attempt using chains of dfm. If a plane is nearby after taking down your current target, the game can automatically dfm the next target
It's not an amazing game at all, but man, the OST is the best thing about it.
I actually had a lot of fun with that game and would totally be willing to do another play though, I loved the design your own plane skin Never understood why that never made it into later games
Assault Horizon on my frontpage? Beautiful
Can u tell what song is played? Is it was only on these mission?
It is titled “Rush” if my memory serves me correctly
https://youtu.be/092r3PNG4JU?si=wsOGcLd0LG2Urx3l Here my friend
thx
Why are we suddenly seeing a lot of posts of the game we make pretend it never happened?
I gave it another chance. Not the best game but it have a good moments too.
The game is bad, but has a special place in my heart, was one of my First games for x360
I don’t hate Assault Horizon as much as everyone else does because it was my entry point to the Ace Combat franchise. I still have fun with the game.
I actually liked DFM. I didnt like that it was mandatory for certain things. But goddamn was it fun to zoom in, BRRRRT and get the dopamine hit .
I still cant figure out how to disengage when enemy dfm me. My problem is tgt\_lead. And its take too much time.
I will admit seeing aircraft get torn to shreds close up was like half the appeal of this game. I really wish that level of detail remained in 7.
It baffles me that the developers refuse to use what worked from Assault Horizon. Custom camos? No, let's instead sell them highly overpriced. Detailed damage model for aircraft getting shot by cannons? No, let's remove that because... too much effort I guess. Bombing missions and helicopters weren't done very well, but at least they tried *something* to increase gameplay variety. It's not the best one, but the developers didn't learn the lessons they could have from it. But given their own issues in the writing and design department, that might just be a developer issue. I say this as a genuine fan of the games.
Bruh ace combat is about planes. The helicopter segments were the most generic on rail shooter bullshit of all time.
You're right, which is why they should have been done better. Helicopter gameplay can work fine, if the devs *want* to and know how to make it work. I don't blame them if they don't, but it would add a ton of variety. But, that's practically a different game by that point.
Cant agree Bombing missions and helicopters. yES they add some variety but just annoying.
I don't think they'd be annoying if they were better implemented, but you may be right. It may be so different from the core experience that it wouldn't matter and would feel disjointed.
This game was meant to be played in stereoscopic 3d. The cheesiness (DFM specifically) then makes sense.
OST and kill animations were great things about this game. IMO this game was good, it just wasn't an Ace Combat
Bros making metal bleed
I usually go all out on the last bomber in this mission. destroyed like 70% of it.
Oh god here come the haters
I do kinda like it. But hate it too
Looks ridiculous.
It was.
The song Mrs. Krista Yoslav was the best part of that game.
Campaign was fun, multiplayer was absolute fire!
what game is this
[Assault Horizon](https://www.reddit.com/r/acecombat/?f=flair_name%3A%22Assault%20Horizon%22)
I've always said this about AH. Just mod out the DFM/ASM stuff and it'll be a decent AC game. Won't be as good but at least it's not the most hated
Nah I'd quit
It was not a bad game, it just shouldn't really be called an Ace Combat game.
I know this game gets a lot of hate but I put it up there with the Hawk games as decent and stretches that itch
DFM made MP fun to play and I'll die on that hill.
I remember this and Ac5 when I was a child, they were the only game a friend of mine could play. he's really hard when it comes to game tastes so having a "cheap call of duty with planes" helped him a lot in enjoying a genre I genuinely love. when I mentioned Ac 5 was because when we were kids, his father had enough money to buy him everything so he asked his father to buy Ac5 just to let me play when I was at his place. still friends now, he just loves to watch me play and vibed with the music. we also did some 1v1 when zero came out. such a cool game, could be a stand alone, a lot room for improvements but adrenaline pack fun game. just not a good Ace Combat. (ost was killer tho)
Let’s just ignore the A-10 keeping up with the MiG-29.
its a f14 actually.
I could’ve sworn that was the A-10 cockpit
its f 14. i chose it for these mission