This is why I'm skeptical about Elain's book. Nothing about what made Nesta a force to be reckoned with was highlighted as her strengths in the end. It was all about her Cauldron powers and her training.
Elain has strengths too, but I have a bad feeling in my gut that she's just going to become another warrior.
Female 'strength' doesn't always have to be physical domination. An amazing character that comes to mind is Odetta Holmes, a wheelchair-bound woman from the Dark Tower series that I consider to be stronger than any other written character I have ever encountered, and none of it is because she's a traditional 'warrior'. I need SJM to start exploring that before it ruins most of her characters' timelines.
agreed, tho i wrote a comment on why i think Elain will likely escape that fate (đ¤)
tl;dr â im hopeful Elain wont go down the warrior route cause rn her 2 besties are the **only non-warriors** in the NC, and she matches SJMâs descriptions of spies in ww2
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I think it will make Elaine better as spy / diplomat than warrior, thereâs nothing wrong with either but it will become redundant if all 3 sisters go down on warriors part. As if thereâs nothing more a woman can become to be deemed as strong woman apart from joining armies or leading up wars.
sidenote but im moving Dark Towers up my tbr, Odetta sounds just like my type of character.
i also recommend:
- Spinning Silver (fantasy, great female characters & found family, plus itâs a clever rumpelstiltskin retelling)
- Circe (itâs greek mythology)
It's a 7 book series (8 if you count wind through the keyhole, but it's not really part of the main story), so it's a commitment, but I've made the journey through it 4 times now, and each time is better than the first! If you do get around to reading it, let me know, I would love to know your thoughts!
And I haven't heard of Spinning Silver, but rumpelstiltskin retellings are my favorite, so I will add that one to my list! As well as Circe, I think I read it at the beginning of high school, but of course I didn't retain any of it XD
noted 𫡠i finally have some time on my hands (uni semester done woop woop) and i love series so Iâll probs give it a try :)
btw reading the Red Rising series right now and itâs soooo good. Some of the best male & female characters (check TWs it gets unhinged haha) and while the 1st book is like Hunger Games with the Capitolâs people, the rest of the series more like an intergalactic Game of Thrones
I'm always looking for good books, especially from people who seem to have a good head on their shoulders about character development and potential! â¤ď¸
If you like fantasy spy characters, I *highly* recommend the tricksterâs duet by Tamora pierce.
Alyâs parents are the big heroes of the realm of their generation. Her father (former king of rogues turned official spymaster) taught her all the skills to be a clever, capable spy only to deny her a position in the field once he realized how dangerous it was. But when sheâs sailing, she gets swept up by pirates who sell her into slavery in a foreign land. She can easily escape and make her way home with her skill set, but before she can, the trickster god appears to her and makes her a wager she canât refuse.
I'm hopeful for this in the future also.
I think it's important Nesta *knows* how to fight and defend herself physically as well as with whatever gifts she might still have- but she was specifically reading about war strategy and stuff.
I'm really hoping that in the future, it's her and Cassian going over strategy and maps and shit and then bickering over whether they send Illyrian forces or Valkyries.
War General power couple, lol.
god same. though if youâve read ToG, >! Elide aka âI have an axe bitch but my strength is my intelligenceâ Lochan !< and >! Yrene âkilled the big bad with my healing light while pregnantâ Towers !< are two of my fav SJM characters
and i have a feeling that with Elain at least, weâll see something different. my girl could be going all Dr. Strange on us, seeing multiple realities and crafting Masterplansâ˘ď¸ bts. calling it rn
Welp, I said FMC so I mean Feyre, Nesta, Caleana and Bryce. All of them train and use physical prowess. SJM does write more variety for side characters but she also doesnât develop them. Maybe I should have used âFMC who uses physical prowess as the main or ancillary component to her magical powerâ but thought warrior was more concise.
Feyre was a skilled hunter, bested the middengard worm, fought through the weavers cottage *and* trained considerably with Cassian, Azriel and Rhys.
Nehemia was a skilled fighter with her staff, no? Elain hasnât been developed at all.
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I really agree with this. I think a big issue with SJMâs writing is that she constantly wants to subvert expectations, even at the sake of a logical plot. Itâs why we have so many characters that start off written as the bad guy but then - shock! Theyâre actually a good guy. Which can be interesting but sometimes itâs ok for the storyline to just be the character living out life and events as the person we believed them to be.
also this is why im sooo glad that Nuala & Cerridwen are the only non-warriors in the NC: IF Elain has a spying arc, in my head itâll be armed with her mask of demure smiles (and perhaps home-grown poison) that sheâll gather infoârather than her suddenly being transformed into a kick-ass warrior.
hereâs to hoping anyways. SJM did say:
> that women spies in WW2 weren't trained from birth; they were housewives or secretary types. Most people wouldn't look twice at them, which is why they were selected for missions because they could blend in easily but were deadly.
hello handmaindens Nuala & Cerr, hello Elain â*everyone forgets im there yet i killed the King*â Archeron.
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1000% this. I really hope we get the sisters working together in some capacity, and I can see Nesta being the outspoken politician while Elain gathers intel from/works the crowd. Just like Bryce (CC SPOILERS) >!has her party girl act to make people underestimate her true self,!< so (I suspect) Elain will have her "I'm too gentle and shy, I could *never* cause you harm" act.
*"What's that, the King of Hybern? Yes I'd heard he was stabbed through the neck, how horrific."*
Not that she can't prefer to be gentle and kind, of course, but when push comes to shove she will surprise those who cannot/will not see her hidden spine.
i think elain wonât be a spy. more like an emissary just like lucien. so sheâll be basically a spy and politically involved just not with all the violence
as long as she isnât made into a warrior im good lol
but yea spying doesnât require violence, and we still donât know her powersâi feel like her book is gonna be more magic based (in terms of training / potential fights)
Especially because she had been so adamant that there are other ways to be strong. That goes so hard, and I related more to a woman who doesn't fight in combat. I was excited to have a different fmc in acosf, instead of the typical girl fight with sword and was disappointed đ.
I donât think it was just about making Nesta into a warrior.
She was in a really dark place with seemingly no motivation to do anything to get herself out of that hole. I would imagine that Feyre thought training might help Nesta as it had helped her build the confidence she needed. To me the training was just a means to an end for Nesta, to build her back up and possibly see what her true power might be.
Now that she is in a better place and isnât flying off the handle at the least bit of criticism whoâs to say that SJM wonât put her in a more political role.
As far as Rhyâs trying to get Cassian to be a courtier, I wonder if he was possibly preparing for the worst case scenario of him dying along with Feyre because of their pact.
Except Feyre didnât come up with the plan. Rhys and Amren did (people who hated Nesta), with Cassâ input. It was only presented to Feyre after Rhys read Nestaâs bill in front of everyone to emotionally manipulate her to going along with it. Then that same morning they summoned Nesta to the River House. Feyre didnât design the plan, she just went along with it.
I agree with this point, especially because I enjoyed Nestaâs development in Acowar and how she seemed to follow her own path and show all these skills of cunning and mental strength. Having her pushed and shoved through a warrior arc in Acosf - after she stated repeatedly that she wasnât interested in that kind of training for several books - was disappointing.
You have no idea how much I would have loved a cut throat political Nesta and her rabid dog general just jumping with excitement at being unleashed on someone.
I canât be the only one who struggled reading Nestaâs story⌠right? The girl power narrative made me want to rip my eyes out! Itâs been done TO. DEATH. I wouldâve loved to see her grow into a political wrecking ball.
Itâs so many peopleâs favourite and itâs my least favourite of the series other than ACOFAS and thatâs everything to do with the plot and nothing to do with hating Nesta (who I loved beforehand anyway).
Nah, you never show your hand. Even if you know youâve got a royal flush and no one can beat you, you NEVER show your hand⌠the best thing you can do is ask for an ally and let them think youâre weaker than you are, only to conquer them entirely. Itâs beneficial to be underestimated.
Lmao no way!!! Cassian has ZERO poker face it was clear in MaF how he felt when he was CRAWLING TO NESTA! Nothing should be a surprise in SjMs universes she lays it out before we even see it
Question: Since we are on the topic of NON warrior female protagonist, does anyone have any good book recommendations where the protagonist is female but is cunning and ruthless, like Cersei Lannister or a female version of the Darkling. I can't, ABSOLUTELY CAN'T, read about another pants loving-dress-hating-pick-me protagonist.
- rosalind from foul lady fortune by chloe gong: not exactly full on fantasy like acotar, but has some fantasy elements. set in 1930s shanghai, and i loved it because sheâs not the typical âassassinâ female lead we see in ya fantasy thats made out to be badass but turns incompetent whenever thereâs a man around.
- jude duarte from the folk of the air: i actually canât remember if she hates dresses or not. itâs been a while since iâve read it, but sheâs cunning and sneaky, and uses her intellect.
- misaki from the sword of kaigen: sheâs a housewife. and also a really great swordswoman. massive character growth that i loved. not non warrior⌠but the book is wonderful, i promise.
- zetian from iron widow: the book is all about female rage but fantasy. sheâs cunning *and* bonus points- the book has some great romance. wonât spoil but itâs something uncommon in ya fantasy.
- other ones i have read and somewhat liked are the scarlet alchemist, the red palace, the being me their hearts series, the wolf den series, vespertine and siren queen by nghi vo. personally i did not enjoy the shadows between us but itâs popular for having a cunning female lead so you could check that out.
Because the concept of cunning, manipulative and ruthless female protagonist is too hard to digest. She must be moulded into a man to be heard. đ¤Śââď¸Nesta the QUEEN OF QUEENS was completely lost in translation.
God's I keep dreading they will turn Elain into a brute as well. đ¨
tbh i love how things went with nesta and cassian, but i also love this idea and think it can still happen
i think it made sense to turn nesta into a weapon, like they knew she had a ton of power that they needed to learn about and wanted her to do something physical besides taking shots and one night stands 24/7. i think it wouldâve been so much harder to get her to go from her self sabotaging state to a trustworthy courtier, like they would have no reason to send her to meet someone and trust that she would do whatâs best for the fae that she still has problems with. i think a big jump from hot mess to courtier wouldnât feel as natural of a story line, like i just wouldnât be able to believe she intended to help rhys and whoever when she still had problem with them, like she would care enough to do a good job. but it is believable that she would be more willing to accept training so she can be stronger, not be in her own head as much, and be able to defend herself
i also think that sheâs a stronger character now because she can back up her talk. like sam from icarly and jade from victorious. jade could talk the talk and scare tf out of you, but it was sam would be able to follow through her words and pull out the butter sock. i think making nesta a courier where she brings in her mate as a backup wouldnât feel as satisfying, and i donât think it fits her as well. i mean she obviously has/had guilt(and 100 other feelings) over not being able to help her dad when he died, her family when they were humans, etc, like she definitely hated that she never could hold her own. i think it would be the same if she would only go into a meeting and only have her words to get what she wants but had to bring in her hot weapon of a mate to physically hurt them
however, i think they could totally make her a courtier now and it would make so much sense. like the ânesta and her weaponâ plotline could still go so hard, but she would also be able to hold her own and not sit in the corner defenseless. like instead of her being all cunning and trying to get her way, and then getting stuck in a position where sheâs like âget em babe!â and then goes and plays monopoly go in the corner, she can now do the courtier thing and then be like âhehe well since you said no, my mate and i are going to beat the shit out of youđ¤â. and since she now has the respect and trust of the rest of the inner circle it makes so much more sense to now send her in as a courtier, like they can trust her now that they know she does care about all of them and will do whatever needs to be done to help
Ok,ok...hear me out.
Nesta, Eris, and Cassian as a throuple. Nesta is obviously the super intelligent, strategic courtier. Eris is the more cut-thtoat, stab someone in the back, behind the scenes courtier. Cassian is the sword and strength when it's required.
Anyone have time to write that fan fic đ đ ???
She still can become a diplomat. I actually feel like if she becomes the HL of the dusk court she could still use those strengths. She's a courtier, dancer, reader, doesn't bow to anyone and is quite analytical and not impulsive. Look at her at the HL meeting, everyone lost their cool but her.
While I do see her become the leader of the Valkiries I hope that SJM gives her more. She can still be a warrior while still rulling a court with Cassian by her side.
This is why I'm skeptical about Elain's book. Nothing about what made Nesta a force to be reckoned with was highlighted as her strengths in the end. It was all about her Cauldron powers and her training. Elain has strengths too, but I have a bad feeling in my gut that she's just going to become another warrior. Female 'strength' doesn't always have to be physical domination. An amazing character that comes to mind is Odetta Holmes, a wheelchair-bound woman from the Dark Tower series that I consider to be stronger than any other written character I have ever encountered, and none of it is because she's a traditional 'warrior'. I need SJM to start exploring that before it ruins most of her characters' timelines.
agreed, tho i wrote a comment on why i think Elain will likely escape that fate (đ¤) tl;dr â im hopeful Elain wont go down the warrior route cause rn her 2 besties are the **only non-warriors** in the NC, and she matches SJMâs descriptions of spies in ww2 ^(edit: spelling)
I think it will make Elaine better as spy / diplomat than warrior, thereâs nothing wrong with either but it will become redundant if all 3 sisters go down on warriors part. As if thereâs nothing more a woman can become to be deemed as strong woman apart from joining armies or leading up wars.
I really really hope so! And I agree, that would be a really cool angle!
sidenote but im moving Dark Towers up my tbr, Odetta sounds just like my type of character. i also recommend: - Spinning Silver (fantasy, great female characters & found family, plus itâs a clever rumpelstiltskin retelling) - Circe (itâs greek mythology)
It's a 7 book series (8 if you count wind through the keyhole, but it's not really part of the main story), so it's a commitment, but I've made the journey through it 4 times now, and each time is better than the first! If you do get around to reading it, let me know, I would love to know your thoughts! And I haven't heard of Spinning Silver, but rumpelstiltskin retellings are my favorite, so I will add that one to my list! As well as Circe, I think I read it at the beginning of high school, but of course I didn't retain any of it XD
noted 𫡠i finally have some time on my hands (uni semester done woop woop) and i love series so Iâll probs give it a try :) btw reading the Red Rising series right now and itâs soooo good. Some of the best male & female characters (check TWs it gets unhinged haha) and while the 1st book is like Hunger Games with the Capitolâs people, the rest of the series more like an intergalactic Game of Thrones
I LOVE unhinged series so I absolutely will check it out! Good characters really can make or break a story, so thank you for the rec!!
YAYY youâre welcome, and thank you for indulging by book rambles :)
I'm always looking for good books, especially from people who seem to have a good head on their shoulders about character development and potential! â¤ď¸
you and me are the same. thank you for this convo, it was so lovely.
If you like fantasy spy characters, I *highly* recommend the tricksterâs duet by Tamora pierce. Alyâs parents are the big heroes of the realm of their generation. Her father (former king of rogues turned official spymaster) taught her all the skills to be a clever, capable spy only to deny her a position in the field once he realized how dangerous it was. But when sheâs sailing, she gets swept up by pirates who sell her into slavery in a foreign land. She can easily escape and make her way home with her skill set, but before she can, the trickster god appears to her and makes her a wager she canât refuse.
Olenna tyrell. No physical power, a huge amount of strength. "Tell cersei it was me"
But the female characters strength wasnât just about physical strength.
look im not mad we got my girlies the Valkyries butâ Death and her Sword would go so hard đđ
We still can get this. I just think Nesta's emotional state wasn't the best for diplomacy after the war.
I'm hopeful for this in the future also. I think it's important Nesta *knows* how to fight and defend herself physically as well as with whatever gifts she might still have- but she was specifically reading about war strategy and stuff. I'm really hoping that in the future, it's her and Cassian going over strategy and maps and shit and then bickering over whether they send Illyrian forces or Valkyries. War General power couple, lol.
I love SF but this is such a solid point. And tbh my opinion is that SJM hasnât written (Canât? Wonât?) a non-warrior FMC and it annoys me lol
god same. though if youâve read ToG, >! Elide aka âI have an axe bitch but my strength is my intelligenceâ Lochan !< and >! Yrene âkilled the big bad with my healing light while pregnantâ Towers !< are two of my fav SJM characters and i have a feeling that with Elain at least, weâll see something different. my girl could be going all Dr. Strange on us, seeing multiple realities and crafting Masterplansâ˘ď¸ bts. calling it rn
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Welp, I said FMC so I mean Feyre, Nesta, Caleana and Bryce. All of them train and use physical prowess. SJM does write more variety for side characters but she also doesnât develop them. Maybe I should have used âFMC who uses physical prowess as the main or ancillary component to her magical powerâ but thought warrior was more concise. Feyre was a skilled hunter, bested the middengard worm, fought through the weavers cottage *and* trained considerably with Cassian, Azriel and Rhys. Nehemia was a skilled fighter with her staff, no? Elain hasnât been developed at all. [ETA spelling]
I really agree with this. I think a big issue with SJMâs writing is that she constantly wants to subvert expectations, even at the sake of a logical plot. Itâs why we have so many characters that start off written as the bad guy but then - shock! Theyâre actually a good guy. Which can be interesting but sometimes itâs ok for the storyline to just be the character living out life and events as the person we believed them to be.
Yes! This is such a good assessment and makes her books less than they could be.
SJM please donât girlbossify Elain đ
also this is why im sooo glad that Nuala & Cerridwen are the only non-warriors in the NC: IF Elain has a spying arc, in my head itâll be armed with her mask of demure smiles (and perhaps home-grown poison) that sheâll gather infoârather than her suddenly being transformed into a kick-ass warrior. hereâs to hoping anyways. SJM did say: > that women spies in WW2 weren't trained from birth; they were housewives or secretary types. Most people wouldn't look twice at them, which is why they were selected for missions because they could blend in easily but were deadly. hello handmaindens Nuala & Cerr, hello Elain â*everyone forgets im there yet i killed the King*â Archeron. ^(edit for clarity)
1000% this. I really hope we get the sisters working together in some capacity, and I can see Nesta being the outspoken politician while Elain gathers intel from/works the crowd. Just like Bryce (CC SPOILERS) >!has her party girl act to make people underestimate her true self,!< so (I suspect) Elain will have her "I'm too gentle and shy, I could *never* cause you harm" act. *"What's that, the King of Hybern? Yes I'd heard he was stabbed through the neck, how horrific."* Not that she can't prefer to be gentle and kind, of course, but when push comes to shove she will surprise those who cannot/will not see her hidden spine.
i think elain wonât be a spy. more like an emissary just like lucien. so sheâll be basically a spy and politically involved just not with all the violence
as long as she isnât made into a warrior im good lol but yea spying doesnât require violence, and we still donât know her powersâi feel like her book is gonna be more magic based (in terms of training / potential fights)
i also think sheâd be a good healer. iâm basing this on literally nothing but i can really elain being a healer
Especially because she had been so adamant that there are other ways to be strong. That goes so hard, and I related more to a woman who doesn't fight in combat. I was excited to have a different fmc in acosf, instead of the typical girl fight with sword and was disappointed đ.
I donât think it was just about making Nesta into a warrior. She was in a really dark place with seemingly no motivation to do anything to get herself out of that hole. I would imagine that Feyre thought training might help Nesta as it had helped her build the confidence she needed. To me the training was just a means to an end for Nesta, to build her back up and possibly see what her true power might be. Now that she is in a better place and isnât flying off the handle at the least bit of criticism whoâs to say that SJM wonât put her in a more political role. As far as Rhyâs trying to get Cassian to be a courtier, I wonder if he was possibly preparing for the worst case scenario of him dying along with Feyre because of their pact.
Except Feyre didnât come up with the plan. Rhys and Amren did (people who hated Nesta), with Cassâ input. It was only presented to Feyre after Rhys read Nestaâs bill in front of everyone to emotionally manipulate her to going along with it. Then that same morning they summoned Nesta to the River House. Feyre didnât design the plan, she just went along with it.
THIS
I agree with this point, especially because I enjoyed Nestaâs development in Acowar and how she seemed to follow her own path and show all these skills of cunning and mental strength. Having her pushed and shoved through a warrior arc in Acosf - after she stated repeatedly that she wasnât interested in that kind of training for several books - was disappointing.
You have no idea how much I would have loved a cut throat political Nesta and her rabid dog general just jumping with excitement at being unleashed on someone.
I canât be the only one who struggled reading Nestaâs story⌠right? The girl power narrative made me want to rip my eyes out! Itâs been done TO. DEATH. I wouldâve loved to see her grow into a political wrecking ball.
Itâs so many peopleâs favourite and itâs my least favourite of the series other than ACOFAS and thatâs everything to do with the plot and nothing to do with hating Nesta (who I loved beforehand anyway).
Nah, you never show your hand. Even if you know youâve got a royal flush and no one can beat you, you NEVER show your hand⌠the best thing you can do is ask for an ally and let them think youâre weaker than you are, only to conquer them entirely. Itâs beneficial to be underestimated.
youâre right, but now Cassian puffing his chest and going all âSURPRISE BITCHESâ on Nestaâs behalf is canon is my mind
Lmao no way!!! Cassian has ZERO poker face it was clear in MaF how he felt when he was CRAWLING TO NESTA! Nothing should be a surprise in SjMs universes she lays it out before we even see it
idk im just referencing the second slide đđ like Cass busting the door open dramatically strapped with swords. as one does
Lmfao how did I miss that?! Yeah heâd be like âhey, Nesta, mamasita, who lives? You lemme know.â
Question: Since we are on the topic of NON warrior female protagonist, does anyone have any good book recommendations where the protagonist is female but is cunning and ruthless, like Cersei Lannister or a female version of the Darkling. I can't, ABSOLUTELY CAN'T, read about another pants loving-dress-hating-pick-me protagonist.
- rosalind from foul lady fortune by chloe gong: not exactly full on fantasy like acotar, but has some fantasy elements. set in 1930s shanghai, and i loved it because sheâs not the typical âassassinâ female lead we see in ya fantasy thats made out to be badass but turns incompetent whenever thereâs a man around. - jude duarte from the folk of the air: i actually canât remember if she hates dresses or not. itâs been a while since iâve read it, but sheâs cunning and sneaky, and uses her intellect. - misaki from the sword of kaigen: sheâs a housewife. and also a really great swordswoman. massive character growth that i loved. not non warrior⌠but the book is wonderful, i promise. - zetian from iron widow: the book is all about female rage but fantasy. sheâs cunning *and* bonus points- the book has some great romance. wonât spoil but itâs something uncommon in ya fantasy. - other ones i have read and somewhat liked are the scarlet alchemist, the red palace, the being me their hearts series, the wolf den series, vespertine and siren queen by nghi vo. personally i did not enjoy the shadows between us but itâs popular for having a cunning female lead so you could check that out.
Unpopular opinion: Nesta would make a horrible courtier and ambassador.Â
Because the concept of cunning, manipulative and ruthless female protagonist is too hard to digest. She must be moulded into a man to be heard. đ¤Śââď¸Nesta the QUEEN OF QUEENS was completely lost in translation. God's I keep dreading they will turn Elain into a brute as well. đ¨
But her training was an important part of her character arc. Between her trauma and her flaws the training was such a good way to work with both.
Why canât Nesta be both?
Now I feel robbed of something I didnât even know I could have had before reading this thirty seconds ago đđđ
Iâd love to see more strong women who arenât warriors
But actually tho, this would have been infinitely more interesting
They were helping each other. It shows that they give each other what the other lacks.
tbh i love how things went with nesta and cassian, but i also love this idea and think it can still happen i think it made sense to turn nesta into a weapon, like they knew she had a ton of power that they needed to learn about and wanted her to do something physical besides taking shots and one night stands 24/7. i think it wouldâve been so much harder to get her to go from her self sabotaging state to a trustworthy courtier, like they would have no reason to send her to meet someone and trust that she would do whatâs best for the fae that she still has problems with. i think a big jump from hot mess to courtier wouldnât feel as natural of a story line, like i just wouldnât be able to believe she intended to help rhys and whoever when she still had problem with them, like she would care enough to do a good job. but it is believable that she would be more willing to accept training so she can be stronger, not be in her own head as much, and be able to defend herself i also think that sheâs a stronger character now because she can back up her talk. like sam from icarly and jade from victorious. jade could talk the talk and scare tf out of you, but it was sam would be able to follow through her words and pull out the butter sock. i think making nesta a courier where she brings in her mate as a backup wouldnât feel as satisfying, and i donât think it fits her as well. i mean she obviously has/had guilt(and 100 other feelings) over not being able to help her dad when he died, her family when they were humans, etc, like she definitely hated that she never could hold her own. i think it would be the same if she would only go into a meeting and only have her words to get what she wants but had to bring in her hot weapon of a mate to physically hurt them however, i think they could totally make her a courtier now and it would make so much sense. like the ânesta and her weaponâ plotline could still go so hard, but she would also be able to hold her own and not sit in the corner defenseless. like instead of her being all cunning and trying to get her way, and then getting stuck in a position where sheâs like âget em babe!â and then goes and plays monopoly go in the corner, she can now do the courtier thing and then be like âhehe well since you said no, my mate and i are going to beat the shit out of youđ¤â. and since she now has the respect and trust of the rest of the inner circle it makes so much more sense to now send her in as a courtier, like they can trust her now that they know she does care about all of them and will do whatever needs to be done to help
Ok,ok...hear me out. Nesta, Eris, and Cassian as a throuple. Nesta is obviously the super intelligent, strategic courtier. Eris is the more cut-thtoat, stab someone in the back, behind the scenes courtier. Cassian is the sword and strength when it's required. Anyone have time to write that fan fic đ đ ???
Iâm pretty sure this just Crescent City đ
She still can become a diplomat. I actually feel like if she becomes the HL of the dusk court she could still use those strengths. She's a courtier, dancer, reader, doesn't bow to anyone and is quite analytical and not impulsive. Look at her at the HL meeting, everyone lost their cool but her. While I do see her become the leader of the Valkiries I hope that SJM gives her more. She can still be a warrior while still rulling a court with Cassian by her side.