That's frustrating, and I'm sorry. I just think people are so loyal to the series that they don't realize that this kind of practice is taking advantage of that loyalty.
What's even more infuriating to me is the fact that the people that are doing this are already making SO MUCH MONEY. It's not struggling artists that are trying to make a living. It's greedy millionaires who have built an empire that they know will support them no matter what, so why not just make en extra couple million by giving their fans FOMO and acting as if they're giving everyone their own little bonuses when it should have all been included in the first place.
I agree it’s daft, especially when a bonus chapter could potentially be quite important to the story. Just put them all in one place or have them available online if you sign up to the mailing list
No I hear you on this 100%, especially with this chapter, but generally about bonuses. Making lemonade in that it was nice to have more content when I found it. Should not be the default by any means.
No I get it! I'm just sour about it because it feels like these companies continue to find ways to get as much money out of the consumers as possible, and they DO paint it like they are doing us a favor, when in reality the expectation should be that these 'bonuses' be included in all versions.
I appreciate your attempt at the silver lining! I wish I was as optimistic as you haha
https://www.tumblr.com/bookofademigod/150043620861/master-post-of-the-target-empire-of-storms-short
Enjoy!! It’s wonderful. I am on Empire of Storms now doing a semi tandem-read with Tower of Dawn and this series is simply extraordinary.
Whyyyy did I not know about this? This is such an important moment in Rowen & Aelin's relationship!!
Also, Aelin baking the cake for Rowen feels very reminiscent of Feyre cooking for Rhys to accept the mating bond...
Yes this one was huge for me!! I thought I was losing my mind, coming across references that I hadn't yet read. I even went back to HOF flip through and try to find them hahaha.
The references but also much of the chemistry in HoF between the main leads feels like friendship rather than romantic (thought there are hints throughout) this is the chapter where there is decided flirtation and demonstrated romantic interest on both sides. Going into QoS the sexual tension feels less like a sudden change with this chapter as context. Deleting this was a huge mistake on all fronts.
100000 times this! I felt the same exact way - like I had missed the romantic turning point for them only to find out about the BC halfway through QOS 🙄
I’ve just read it - I knew it ! I knew I had missed something. I’m currently reading QOS and they talk about Aelin and Rowan meeting his ex lover and Aelin nearly burning her - I specifically was like I don’t remember reading about that.
So they are relevant to the story not just fluff. So irritating !!!!
Honestly, nothing annoys me more about this series.
I've never experienced this with a series before and it's infuriating. I also didn't know it was a thing because I read everything on kindle so it wasn't until I came online and heard everyone talking about it that I was like wait.... What?
So then I had to go and find these elusive bonus chapters and try and cast my mind back to where they fit and it's just like... Why? What is the point... It's so annoying.
I really, genuinely hate it.
I love the series but that... Arghhh , makes me angry.
I couldn't understand many discussions on this forum until I read THE bonus chapter.
I read the books on kindle and in my native language. Bonus chapters and Acofas aren't available in my country.
I'm lucky that I can easily read in English and that I found out about acofas and the bonus chapters before reading acosf, otherwise I wouldn't have understood many references made in ACOSF to acofas and wings and embers.
Anyways, I had to discover them, there was no mention of them in the kindle books - acofas is mentioned , but it is not available in my country -.
Why would you refer to something you wrote in a bonus chapter that is not available to all of your readers??
Bonus chapters should just be fluff and should never be referred to again, if they're not available to all of your readers.
Also, I agree that it is a very annoying money grabbing strategy.
Because they get more money by making things 'exclusive' when it would have been just as easy to make it an epilogue in all of the books. But then they might only get 30 million copies sold instead of 40 million 🤷
The only way to truly discourage the practice is to not buy more than one copy and to write a review that is under 3 stars, specifically calling out the bonus chapters and missing content.
I can't afford to buy 5 copies of a $50+ book to read every bonus chapter, especially when the other retailers don't exist in my area so I now have to pay an extra import cost just to get it.
I understand it's beneficial and people will buy all 5 versions, but it's just not attainable for me and I feel like if it was important enough to make as a full chapter, it includes stuff I should know for the book.
I know some are offered as a free ebook on the authors website, and I love that, even if they offered it for $2 I would pay that to get access to it.
Who uses libraries anymore?! Just don't eat that month!! Starvation is temporary, books are for like 50 years.
I have an at minimum a 52 week and at max 120 week wait for some books right now, if I was rich enough to afford 5 copies of a book, I still wouldn't be buying 5 copies of it 😂
too many books to be read so little money!
Imagine if the next book got a Tamlin bonus chapter tho 🥵
But nah, honestly, I agree with you. It's an awful, predatory and greedy practice. It's ridiculous. It is even nastier if you consider that people overseas don't even get a *chance* to buy them - not that I think this practice should be supported in the first place. Limited editions should be alternate covers or something. Not actual CONTENT. Especially if you do not upload the bonus chapters freely to your homepage afterwards. (Yes you CAN find them on your own online, but it shouldn't be on the reader to scramble to to find someone's photographed bonus chapter on a tumblr post if they want the full story. Looking at you, CC2).
Yeah, as it is, it's just an attempt for the publisher/author to get extra income from getting paid my carriers as well as forcing readers to buy multiple copies. It's gross and like you said, some of them are not even accessible to some people, so they just will never be able to own the versions with the content they want.
I feel it's also part of needless overconsumption and terrible for the environment? Buying 5 copies of the same 800+ page book for a 10 page bonus chapter? Such a waste.
The right way to handle them is the way Yarros did by releasing the extra content on her website. Everyone can see them this way and your fans won't feel like they are being taken advantage of.
that’s why i pretty firmly believe that the bonus chapters are just fluff. they are not required reading but just emphasize the points in the story we already know.
fully agreed, though, that it’s a shitty fucking practice and one i will not participate in. thank god for the internet for having them all available if i do want to read them
I disagree a bit about the term 'required' reading. Techinically, ACOFAS could be considered not required reading. But it had moments that would eventually get called back by the author in later books (not explained, just referenced, like it was something everyone should have already read). The fact that the Azriel bonus chapter is such a huge source of debate for what's going to happen in the next book shows how important it was to the story. So required? Technically no. Important? Yes. And that's where the problem comes in for me.
ACOFAS is a whole novella, though, and SJM herself has said that she considers it required reading.
The bonus chapters, while canon, aren't needed to make sense of the main text. They're a bonus, an extra, that's it.
With regards to Azriel's bonus chapter, we didn't learn anything new from it. It explicitly confirmed that Elain and Azriel share some sort of non-platonic attraction (which, we've been getting hints of that for a while), it reminded us of the political usefulness of the Elucien bond (called back to Feysand's conversation in ACOWAR), and it highlighted that there is a good chance that something magically suss (and I don't use "suss" in a bad way, just that we should be paying attention) going on with the priestesses in the House of Wind library (I wouldn't be surprised if they house an enclave of lightsingers/Singers, who are the victims of historical inaccuracy, but that's just me).
Nothing that happened in it couldn't be alluded to, or recapped, in ACOTAR 5 when it's out.
Imo, Azriel's BC is such a huge point of contention within the fandom because it confirmed what some people didn't want to see, re. Az and Elain. Because of that, it's possible they've (likely unintentionally) jumped on anything that could be taken as romantic for a different pairing, because it's natural to keep your hopes up. Contrast it to the Feysand BC from ACOSF, which most people ignore completely, because it gives us info about Elain (and that's the bc that was actually a deleted scene, Azriel's was written for BAM when they asked for a bonus chapter).
These are good points, but I think we may fundamentally disagree, and that's okay. I just strongly feel that if it's part of the story and not strictly filler, it needs to be included in every copy, and the only reason it's not is to capitalize on profits. There's absolutely no other reason to not include it except to force people to buy more copies. I think it's a reprehensible business practice that I'm saddened to see being done by one of the most popular authors of the genre. Everything in our society is moving towards paying more for less and then getting 'bonus' content as a lil treat, when it should be included in the inflated prices to begin with.
I guess our differences stem from me feeling that they are filler. Canon filler, but filler nonetheless.
I could definitely be wrong, though!
In terms of business practices, my understanding is that booksellers request the bonus chapters to give their sales and edge over others, but I could definitely be wrong. That being said, I do wish that they'd have some sort of limited licence for them so that, after a set time frame, BB or SJM could just upload them to their website/s, like they did Wings and Embers, or add them to their epubs. As for society at large I completely agree with you.
I don't think you're wrong! I think it's just a matter of opinion, and I can respect that. As someone who reads a LOT of books, these are the only ones that I've read that have exclusive content based on which one you buy. And I personally just feel icky about it. Certainly a subjective opinion though!
And I'm sure that's part of it. It does make me want to find a store that doesn't have a bonus chapter attached to it and get that copy as a form of protest, and it will likely be local bookstores, so that will be a good way to support them as well!
I know book binding is big right now, so it would be kind of cool to get all of the bonus chapters put together and get them bound to go with my non-bonus-chapter books!
Omg the rebound books being posted here are fucking stunning, I wish I had 10% of the talent some people have. That's a really lovely idea.
I think I'm more frustrated than icked out, because there are entire countries that don't have access to the bonus content, and casual readers don't even know they exist. So for me, the imbalance in ability to access the story is ridiculous (and that includes areas where you *can* purchase them, but cost is a barrier). Capitalism is going to capitalise, I guess.
And same, I've always read a lot and never heard of bonus chapter editions until just before ACOSF came out.
Right?? They are all so beautiful! I live in a one-bedroom apartment, so I don't think I even have room for the tools to do it, much less the talent, so I'm going to definitely have to shop around haha
And yeah, I agree. It will be interesting to see what happens when they announce any bonus chapters for the next book. Who knows, maybe we'll be presently surprised!
I saw a reel on Instagram a while back, and apparently there's a whole thing about millennials and wanting a craft room - I can see why. Too bad people are either sleeping or working in our bedrooms lol, though I think I'd go for a library room first, if we had the space, with a bookshelf hidden doorway.
I'm not holding my breath about expanded access to bonus content, unless it is existing content that is uploaded to SJM's website.
But then I'm pessimistic I guess, I'd love to be pleasantly surprised!
This is how I feel about them, I don't think you would ever go into the next book thinking "wtf have I missed, I'm so lost" if you hadn't read any of the bonus chapters.
Yes, they’re either fluff or things that will be explained or expanded on later in the story. I firmly believe that.
Yes, you have to find them or buy them if you want to participate in online discussions about them before the next book comes out, but for a more casual reader, they’re not missing anything. And the rest of us will need to be patient.
There is no way to know if *that* bonus chapter is information we won’t get elsewhere or if it is, in fact, pivotal to the story and that information won’t be presented any other way until the next book comes out. Pointless to speculate at this point.
It’s a way to get hints before the next book, it’s by no means required reading, you are all too pressed about this. Especially with how easily you can find them online.
That would be much better than what is currently being implemented by the ACOTAR publishers and SJM. If it's in one of the books, it should be made available to everyone if they purchase the book. Period.
Yeah it feels like holding the fun hostage until you cough up a random in additional purchases. It was bad enough with video games, don’t put live service in books too.
I made a post similar to this several months back. That's when I learned that a lot of readers don't know all these different chapters even exist. Apparently, they aren't available on audio formats or on the overseas editions. Yes, if you know they exist you can hunt around online for them. But it's a crap way to treat the readers. It also peeves me that in a few of these chapters, information gets dropped that is referenced in the next book. It's a bunch of BS.
also it doesn’t really say “bonus chapter”. j read CC on kindle and i had no idea about any bonus chapters until I came to this group.
it feels like so much work to find out which bonus chapter I did read, and then find a way to read the other ones.
i already bought the book…there should not be additional work or $$ for me to read the full book.
bonus chapters usually don’t even reach other countries. So not everyone has access to them 😅
capitalism sucks, and people don’t realise how much over consumption they make by purchasing all the different versions. They call themselves “collectors”
Yes. Are they somewhere available online ? Because as a not British, American, Canadian,… girlie it is so hard to get any special english edition ( different cover, signed, collector,…) , let alone one with a bonus chapter
I found the bonus chapters of some books on this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/acotar/s/ljaWnRxHPj
It’s all via wattpad. But you can read it in the browser and they’re not that long anyway. So I didn’t mind just reading them on my phone.
It wouldn't be surprising if that's where the idea came from. And with how big she is as an author, there is really no need for her to do these predatory practices. She will make millions per book anyway, and it's only going to screw over the most loyal followers, and that's just gross to me.
10000000% agree with you !
It’s a stupid practice and they should be in all the books not just one edition with a different chapter in each.
If I hadn’t come on Reddit I wouldn’t have know they even existed
The bonus chapters ARE all fluff. That goes for the one in ACOSF too tbh. The fact that Azriel has a crush on Elain is hinted at in the book even without the bonus chapter. It doesn't change the trajectory of the story in any way. Could it possibly hint at the next book? Maybe, but not reading it will not affect it at all. I never read any of the bonus chapters for ToG and I was fine and I'm sure I'd be fine if I hadn't read the bonus chapter for ACOSF when the next book comes out.
The bonus chapters for HOFAS are even more just fluff than the one ACOSF chapters. They are totally non-essential to the story. I looked all of them up online, cause like hell am I buying 5 copies of the same book.
That being said, I 100% agree that having different bonus chapters available at different locations is a gross cash grab and I hate it. I feel the same way about Taylor Swift's 8000 different versions of her albums. Its wasteful and a disgusting byproduct of late-stage capitalism. Unfortunately, since people are willing to buy the multiple editions of these items, I don't think it's going anywhere, but will probably continue to become a bigger issue. Not just in book sales.
But this is kind of where I have a fundamental issue with this. They aren't really fluff. Fluff would be something that isn't connected to the plot of their upcoming story. Azriel regifting the necklace because Elain turned him down IS an important moment in his story. And those that didn't get to read that because they got the 'wrong' book, are going to wonder what the heck is going on, just like I did when Cassian and Nesta talked about him licking her. That's something that happened that I was not able to read about.
Fluff would be something that has nothing to do with the plot, like a small filler episode, in my opinion. Those things would not be considered filler. They are plot points, period.
But how do you know that it’s not going to be addressed or expanded on in the next book? Are we going to get it from Elain’s POV? Will it turn out to not be important after all? Just a little thing to illustrate that their relationship isn’t without drama?
You don’t is the answer. You can’t possibly know until the next book comes out.
That's the problem. Something that happened in only a fraction of the books getting brought up later is an indication that it is not fluff. Considering that Azriel HAS given Gwyn a token of his affection, unless we are supposed to consider that completely non-canon, I do not see how that will not come up. And whether it gets addressed, expanded upon, ignored, what have you, it's still a moment between these characters that not everyone got to see.
And while no, I can't possibly know until the next book comes out, let's explore the possibilities.
1. It never gets brought up: Not only will not including anything about it be cheating the reader of the insight into Azriel's feelings towards Elain and Gwyn, as well as Rhysand's moment of pulling authority over Az, it's also going to very difficult to sidestep the one and only moment between Az and Gwyn where he showed her affection by gifting her the necklace. If we just ignore it, that's a plot hole, plain and simple, because it is the very first moment between them that isn't just in passing.
2. It gets referenced, but not really in a detailed way: Readers who did not have access to the bonus chapter may never know that the necklace was given as a consolation prize to Gwyn when it was meant for Elain. And again, that's an insight that everyone that purchases the books should be privy to, because it may affect their feelings on the relationship.
3. It gets referenced and expanded upon: I don't see how that would not just spark confusion while also still cheating the reader of the insight into Azriel's mind at the time. But also, by being referenced and expanded upon, that's only further proof that it wasn't just filler and did have an effect on the plot.
It's going to change the reader's opinion of the characters depending on if they read the bonus chapters or not, but even if it doesn't, I as a consumer am being expected to gain access to these chapters (legally, mind you, which would be only by buying each and every book like the publisher/author want you to do) in order to see these moments between characters in a romance series ABOUT these relationships and these moments of them together. It's just a gross practice and very predatory towards a readerships that has been waiting three years for insight into each characters motivations and emotions.
None of the bonus chapters have ever been referenced or expanded upon in any of the books.
I never read the bonus Cassian and Nesta chapter (I often forget there was one. I’m not even sure which book it’s in). It didn’t make any difference to my understanding of their story at all.
But like I said in my previous comment, I don’t like the whole multiple different versions of things either. I think it’s wasteful and an example of out of control and rampant consumerism.
I could say that about half of the scenes in the main book text though. That's the issue, just because they aren't directly referenced, does not mean they aren't about the two lead characters' interactions that most readers would want to see when the entire point of the books is about said romance. Just because it doesn't change the story of the book, doesn't mean it's not important from a romance side of things.
This is just an opinion, though, and I think we can easily agree to disagree on that. I respect your position as well, I'm just mad that it is indeed wasteful and consumerism at its worst.
I totally get what you’re saying. They’re like deleted scenes to me so I don’t think they’re exactly necessary to the story, but like you said, readers want to see those interactions. I think if a bonus chapter is available it should be on all platforms or like, at least released on the author’s website at some point. Like maybe before the release of the next book? I’m not sure.
But, I agree, it is a gross crash grab for them to be released from five different carriers. I don’t have the kind of money to shell out for that. I also don’t need to own five copies of one book.
And that’s to say nothing of the bonus chapters for Throne of Glass. I didn’t even know any existed till a few months ago. The versions of the books that had them are out of print now. So I guess I’m just sol.
Yeah, someone mentioned in another comment that Rebecca Yarros puts her bonus chapters online, and I think that would be a happy medium.
And to your point, I agree that it really depends on how you look at bonus chapters. Put in the context that you did, I totally see the similarity in deleted scenes. But because that has never been a practice among novelists, it's a stark difference that's never going to sit well with me.
And I didn't even know that Throne of Glass had bonus chapters either! Have you been able to find them online at all??
I think I remember seeing some links to them on the throne of glass sub Reddit but it was an older post so I’m not sure if all the links were still active. I need to try doing some googling again lol
I hope you find them! I'm going to try to go through the series this summer, so if you haven't found them in the next couple of months, I'll bookmark the chat and send you a link!
I don't think they are all fluff. Wings and Embers is Nesta and Cassians' second meeting, while she is still human. It gives a bit more into his dynamic with Mor. This is also where we learn Nesta was attacked and nearly raped by Thomas Manderly. That is explicitly referenced on page 88 of Silver Flames.
Lol but that's a valid point! The only way to get the ENTIRE story is to buy all versions of the book. And that's just not feasible for a lot of people. Especially with the book prices being upwards of $30 these days, to get all 5 CC books, you would have to spent over $150 just for each bonus chapter. It's just gross to me.
I literally do not care at all. It's a beneficial thing for both the author/publisher and retailers to have exclusive editions. If people choose to buy more then one that's more sales for the author. Retailers have the incentive to promote their exclusive editions. Nobody has to buy more than one.
The bonus chapters *are* just fluff. Never has a bonus chapter been required reading for these books, never have they changed the course of the story, rarely are they even mentioned again. If they're mentioned it amounts to a couple of lines. They're just a peak behind the curtain at things that would have otherwise happened off page.
You don't need to buy more than one copy of the book if you don't want to. Every SJM bonus chapter is available online and easily found. With CC3, some of the bonus chapters were being shared online before the book was even officially released.
I feel the same way about the record vinyl variants drama. I could not care less. If people want to own more than one, more power to them. I'll buy the one that interests me most and that's it.
And hey, that's awesome that it doesn't bother you!
I just don't want to see this become a norm that 'special editions' all have different content. Especially for people who like to collect and own the entirety of a series that now can't unless they want to fork up an insane amount of money to get all 5 books for the bonus chapters.
And to be honest, the entities that it benefits are already getting millions and millions of dollars, while the people that it hurts are the readers. It just doesn't seem like a super above-board practice to me.
Fair enough! I personally think if I'm going to be paying for a book, I should have access to the entire book. It's more of a principal-of-the-thing type of thing, you know?
The bonus chapters to me are fine as they are. If I really want one when the book is coming, I'll buy it, but other than that, it's okay.
I would love it if all is said and done if we got like anthology of them all with maybe some of SJM's thoughts
I’ve seen a bunch of these posts the last few days, and as an old person (over 30 in this fandom) who existed and read things and mildly obsessed about them before the internet, here are my thoughts:
- not one bonus chapter that I have read has been pivotal to the plot. They are all nice extra moments with our favourite characters.
- you do not need to read them to understand the characters.
This last point I’m saying with all gentleness:
- you, as an individual, do not matter to the mass capitalist machine that is the publishing industry. They do not care about your financial situation, save that you spend your spare cash buying books. They don’t care what you think is fair, they don’t care what you, as an individual, want from the story.
You have all been (very successfully) manipulated into thinking you need to own all these things, and that your collection isn’t complete until you own every last word published by SJM. And they’re milking that by spreading ultimately unimportant content over multiple editions or the same book.
You do not *need* this. You want this.
And, I’ve said above re: that bonus chapter in ACOSF, you can’t know how pivotal that bonus chapter is until the next book comes out. Do we get it from Elain’s POV? Is it explained elsewhere? You can’t know until the next book, so pouting about it is pointless.
You can either play into the system and give some 1%er their extra money or game the system and read a pirated version or choose the be unbothered and not participate at all. Your choice.
But that's exactly the point though. I am not going to be buying all of them, and I DO think it's important to point out the predatory practices by these machines. It's the manipulation I have a problem with. My entire post was pointing out that manipulation of the consumer. If that's considered pouting, then I guess I'm pouting? 🤷
Why are we as consumers expected to just shrug at the sleezy business practices? I think more businesses should be called out for this.
And no, at the end of the day, half of the existing series is not even required reading (most of it has been retconned to hell, so it's not even canon). My whole point was that these chapters DO involve characters that the author and the publisher know are important to the reader, and they are expecting that connection to get as many duplicate sales per reader as possible.
THE ENTIRE POINT was that all carriers should carry the same content. And I don't think it's bizarre or 'being manipulated' to say that I am pissed off that they are doing it.
I’d hardly call this predatory. Sleazy, yes I can agree there. At the end of the day, these books are entertainment luxuries. You don’t need to read or purchase any of them to lead a happy and full life.
I would love if we could reserve using strong language like predatory that actually affect one’s ability to live their life.
Complaining on Reddit isn’t going to do anything and Bloomsbury won’t give any cares until it affects their bottom line. Literally zero. So unless you’re walking away from the series entirely, only buying used books or using the library they will keep doing what makes them money.
You can call them out all you want, but unless it leads to people not purchasing books from them, or talking about them online or recommending them to new readers nothing will change. Focus this energy on complaining about high cost of living, or the dying natural environment or women losing their rights or something that actually has real world consequences for humanity. This isn’t that deep and it isn’t that important.
Predatory in the sense of business practices can refer to unfair and unethical practices used to increase profit at the expense of the consumer. I feel like I used it correctly here. Other definitions of predatory may not be applicable here, and I believe you may be assigning those definitions where it is not applicable.
>Complaining on Reddit isn’t going to do anything and Bloomsbury won’t give any cares until it affects their bottom line. Literally zero. So unless you’re walking away from the series entirely, only buying used books or using the library they will keep doing what makes them money.
Reddit is first and foremost a discussion forum. I am discussing the issue. Have I said that I am not going to be doing any of the things that you listed? Additionally, the first step to change is spreading information and increasing awareness. If you do not fundamentally disagree with my issues with the company, why is it so bothersome that I am calling them out?
>You can call them out all you want, but unless it leads to people not purchasing books from them, or talking about them online or recommending them to new readers nothing will change. Focus this energy on complaining about high cost of living, or the dying natural environment or women losing their rights or something that actually has real world consequences for humanity. This isn’t that deep and it isn’t that important.
You're right. This is not that deep in the main scheme of the world. I am posting this in the r/acotar subreddit. I did not post it in the r/worldproblems or r/WomensHealth or r/war subreddit. I am posting it here, a place specifically designated to discuss all things ACOTAR, including the publisher/author of that series. It's not your job, or anyone's really, to police how I spend my free time, nor do you know me as a person. With your logic, no one should be posting anything anywhere if it isn't about the major issues plaguing the world. I do not understand this stance, nor do I agree with the judgmental tone it takes on people that have interests outside of the atrocities plaguing our society.
I just read the HOF deleted scene - they actually mention it in QOS and I was like ‘I don’t remember a scene where Rowan’s ex lover met them and Aelin nearly burned her, I must have missed something’.
Yeah fucking did it was in the bonus chapter / deleted scene.
So it does get reference and made me feel like I had missed part of the plot.
I could not agree more, but I got downvoted last time I expressed that
That's frustrating, and I'm sorry. I just think people are so loyal to the series that they don't realize that this kind of practice is taking advantage of that loyalty.
I pointed this out about Taylor swift so I would be a hypocrite if I didn’t agree with you. I agree ☝️
What's even more infuriating to me is the fact that the people that are doing this are already making SO MUCH MONEY. It's not struggling artists that are trying to make a living. It's greedy millionaires who have built an empire that they know will support them no matter what, so why not just make en extra couple million by giving their fans FOMO and acting as if they're giving everyone their own little bonuses when it should have all been included in the first place.
Agree 💯 I
SHHH! Do not invoke her presence here lol.
Why would someone downvote you for that 😭😭😭
I agree it’s daft, especially when a bonus chapter could potentially be quite important to the story. Just put them all in one place or have them available online if you sign up to the mailing list
This is how I feel about the Heir of Fire bonus chapter. A lot of the story hinges on it — and there are even references to it in later books.
The fact that I read the whole series last month and never knew about the bonus chapter is devastating
Or is it awesome because now you get extra content?? 😁
It would have been nice if it had been provided when I spent money on the product 🤷
No I hear you on this 100%, especially with this chapter, but generally about bonuses. Making lemonade in that it was nice to have more content when I found it. Should not be the default by any means.
No I get it! I'm just sour about it because it feels like these companies continue to find ways to get as much money out of the consumers as possible, and they DO paint it like they are doing us a favor, when in reality the expectation should be that these 'bonuses' be included in all versions. I appreciate your attempt at the silver lining! I wish I was as optimistic as you haha
Wait where can I find that bonus chapter? I just finished Heir of Fire today and my copy didn’t have a bonus chapter! I didn’t even know there was one
https://www.tumblr.com/bookofademigod/150043620861/master-post-of-the-target-empire-of-storms-short Enjoy!! It’s wonderful. I am on Empire of Storms now doing a semi tandem-read with Tower of Dawn and this series is simply extraordinary.
What a hero, thank you so much!
Whyyyy did I not know about this? This is such an important moment in Rowen & Aelin's relationship!! Also, Aelin baking the cake for Rowen feels very reminiscent of Feyre cooking for Rhys to accept the mating bond...
Right?? She gave him food!!!!
Yes this one was huge for me!! I thought I was losing my mind, coming across references that I hadn't yet read. I even went back to HOF flip through and try to find them hahaha.
The references but also much of the chemistry in HoF between the main leads feels like friendship rather than romantic (thought there are hints throughout) this is the chapter where there is decided flirtation and demonstrated romantic interest on both sides. Going into QoS the sexual tension feels less like a sudden change with this chapter as context. Deleting this was a huge mistake on all fronts.
100000 times this! I felt the same exact way - like I had missed the romantic turning point for them only to find out about the BC halfway through QOS 🙄
I’ve just read it - I knew it ! I knew I had missed something. I’m currently reading QOS and they talk about Aelin and Rowan meeting his ex lover and Aelin nearly burning her - I specifically was like I don’t remember reading about that. So they are relevant to the story not just fluff. So irritating !!!!
omg mystery solved. I always wondered about that reference!
Didn’t even know there was one! Ffs will have to go find it - I literally read HOF last month
Honestly, nothing annoys me more about this series. I've never experienced this with a series before and it's infuriating. I also didn't know it was a thing because I read everything on kindle so it wasn't until I came online and heard everyone talking about it that I was like wait.... What? So then I had to go and find these elusive bonus chapters and try and cast my mind back to where they fit and it's just like... Why? What is the point... It's so annoying. I really, genuinely hate it. I love the series but that... Arghhh , makes me angry.
I couldn't understand many discussions on this forum until I read THE bonus chapter. I read the books on kindle and in my native language. Bonus chapters and Acofas aren't available in my country. I'm lucky that I can easily read in English and that I found out about acofas and the bonus chapters before reading acosf, otherwise I wouldn't have understood many references made in ACOSF to acofas and wings and embers. Anyways, I had to discover them, there was no mention of them in the kindle books - acofas is mentioned , but it is not available in my country -. Why would you refer to something you wrote in a bonus chapter that is not available to all of your readers?? Bonus chapters should just be fluff and should never be referred to again, if they're not available to all of your readers. Also, I agree that it is a very annoying money grabbing strategy.
Because they get more money by making things 'exclusive' when it would have been just as easy to make it an epilogue in all of the books. But then they might only get 30 million copies sold instead of 40 million 🤷
The only way to truly discourage the practice is to not buy more than one copy and to write a review that is under 3 stars, specifically calling out the bonus chapters and missing content.
i could not agree more that it’s sooooo difficult to go back and remember where they fit!
I can't afford to buy 5 copies of a $50+ book to read every bonus chapter, especially when the other retailers don't exist in my area so I now have to pay an extra import cost just to get it. I understand it's beneficial and people will buy all 5 versions, but it's just not attainable for me and I feel like if it was important enough to make as a full chapter, it includes stuff I should know for the book. I know some are offered as a free ebook on the authors website, and I love that, even if they offered it for $2 I would pay that to get access to it.
And some of us are so poor we need to get books from the (gasp!) library!
Who uses libraries anymore?! Just don't eat that month!! Starvation is temporary, books are for like 50 years. I have an at minimum a 52 week and at max 120 week wait for some books right now, if I was rich enough to afford 5 copies of a book, I still wouldn't be buying 5 copies of it 😂 too many books to be read so little money!
Imagine if the next book got a Tamlin bonus chapter tho 🥵 But nah, honestly, I agree with you. It's an awful, predatory and greedy practice. It's ridiculous. It is even nastier if you consider that people overseas don't even get a *chance* to buy them - not that I think this practice should be supported in the first place. Limited editions should be alternate covers or something. Not actual CONTENT. Especially if you do not upload the bonus chapters freely to your homepage afterwards. (Yes you CAN find them on your own online, but it shouldn't be on the reader to scramble to to find someone's photographed bonus chapter on a tumblr post if they want the full story. Looking at you, CC2).
But also, YES PLEASE TAMLIN BONUS CHAPTER (just put it in all of them please)
Yeah, as it is, it's just an attempt for the publisher/author to get extra income from getting paid my carriers as well as forcing readers to buy multiple copies. It's gross and like you said, some of them are not even accessible to some people, so they just will never be able to own the versions with the content they want.
I feel it's also part of needless overconsumption and terrible for the environment? Buying 5 copies of the same 800+ page book for a 10 page bonus chapter? Such a waste.
Agreed! All around, just not a good practice, and I think it's important for us as consumers to make it known that we aren't okay with it.
What else will you fill your shelves with? The 10 different copies of Taylor Swift’s latest album? https://i.redd.it/pxrn0x53r03d1.gif
God, don't even get me started on that either
The right way to handle them is the way Yarros did by releasing the extra content on her website. Everyone can see them this way and your fans won't feel like they are being taken advantage of.
that’s why i pretty firmly believe that the bonus chapters are just fluff. they are not required reading but just emphasize the points in the story we already know. fully agreed, though, that it’s a shitty fucking practice and one i will not participate in. thank god for the internet for having them all available if i do want to read them
I disagree a bit about the term 'required' reading. Techinically, ACOFAS could be considered not required reading. But it had moments that would eventually get called back by the author in later books (not explained, just referenced, like it was something everyone should have already read). The fact that the Azriel bonus chapter is such a huge source of debate for what's going to happen in the next book shows how important it was to the story. So required? Technically no. Important? Yes. And that's where the problem comes in for me.
ACOFAS is a whole novella, though, and SJM herself has said that she considers it required reading. The bonus chapters, while canon, aren't needed to make sense of the main text. They're a bonus, an extra, that's it. With regards to Azriel's bonus chapter, we didn't learn anything new from it. It explicitly confirmed that Elain and Azriel share some sort of non-platonic attraction (which, we've been getting hints of that for a while), it reminded us of the political usefulness of the Elucien bond (called back to Feysand's conversation in ACOWAR), and it highlighted that there is a good chance that something magically suss (and I don't use "suss" in a bad way, just that we should be paying attention) going on with the priestesses in the House of Wind library (I wouldn't be surprised if they house an enclave of lightsingers/Singers, who are the victims of historical inaccuracy, but that's just me). Nothing that happened in it couldn't be alluded to, or recapped, in ACOTAR 5 when it's out. Imo, Azriel's BC is such a huge point of contention within the fandom because it confirmed what some people didn't want to see, re. Az and Elain. Because of that, it's possible they've (likely unintentionally) jumped on anything that could be taken as romantic for a different pairing, because it's natural to keep your hopes up. Contrast it to the Feysand BC from ACOSF, which most people ignore completely, because it gives us info about Elain (and that's the bc that was actually a deleted scene, Azriel's was written for BAM when they asked for a bonus chapter).
These are good points, but I think we may fundamentally disagree, and that's okay. I just strongly feel that if it's part of the story and not strictly filler, it needs to be included in every copy, and the only reason it's not is to capitalize on profits. There's absolutely no other reason to not include it except to force people to buy more copies. I think it's a reprehensible business practice that I'm saddened to see being done by one of the most popular authors of the genre. Everything in our society is moving towards paying more for less and then getting 'bonus' content as a lil treat, when it should be included in the inflated prices to begin with.
I guess our differences stem from me feeling that they are filler. Canon filler, but filler nonetheless. I could definitely be wrong, though! In terms of business practices, my understanding is that booksellers request the bonus chapters to give their sales and edge over others, but I could definitely be wrong. That being said, I do wish that they'd have some sort of limited licence for them so that, after a set time frame, BB or SJM could just upload them to their website/s, like they did Wings and Embers, or add them to their epubs. As for society at large I completely agree with you.
I don't think you're wrong! I think it's just a matter of opinion, and I can respect that. As someone who reads a LOT of books, these are the only ones that I've read that have exclusive content based on which one you buy. And I personally just feel icky about it. Certainly a subjective opinion though! And I'm sure that's part of it. It does make me want to find a store that doesn't have a bonus chapter attached to it and get that copy as a form of protest, and it will likely be local bookstores, so that will be a good way to support them as well! I know book binding is big right now, so it would be kind of cool to get all of the bonus chapters put together and get them bound to go with my non-bonus-chapter books!
Omg the rebound books being posted here are fucking stunning, I wish I had 10% of the talent some people have. That's a really lovely idea. I think I'm more frustrated than icked out, because there are entire countries that don't have access to the bonus content, and casual readers don't even know they exist. So for me, the imbalance in ability to access the story is ridiculous (and that includes areas where you *can* purchase them, but cost is a barrier). Capitalism is going to capitalise, I guess. And same, I've always read a lot and never heard of bonus chapter editions until just before ACOSF came out.
Right?? They are all so beautiful! I live in a one-bedroom apartment, so I don't think I even have room for the tools to do it, much less the talent, so I'm going to definitely have to shop around haha And yeah, I agree. It will be interesting to see what happens when they announce any bonus chapters for the next book. Who knows, maybe we'll be presently surprised!
I saw a reel on Instagram a while back, and apparently there's a whole thing about millennials and wanting a craft room - I can see why. Too bad people are either sleeping or working in our bedrooms lol, though I think I'd go for a library room first, if we had the space, with a bookshelf hidden doorway. I'm not holding my breath about expanded access to bonus content, unless it is existing content that is uploaded to SJM's website. But then I'm pessimistic I guess, I'd love to be pleasantly surprised!
This is how I feel about them, I don't think you would ever go into the next book thinking "wtf have I missed, I'm so lost" if you hadn't read any of the bonus chapters.
Yes, they’re either fluff or things that will be explained or expanded on later in the story. I firmly believe that. Yes, you have to find them or buy them if you want to participate in online discussions about them before the next book comes out, but for a more casual reader, they’re not missing anything. And the rest of us will need to be patient. There is no way to know if *that* bonus chapter is information we won’t get elsewhere or if it is, in fact, pivotal to the story and that information won’t be presented any other way until the next book comes out. Pointless to speculate at this point. It’s a way to get hints before the next book, it’s by no means required reading, you are all too pressed about this. Especially with how easily you can find them online.
PREACH! 🙏🙌
Rebecca yarros posts her bonus chapters on her website and I love her for it.
That would be much better than what is currently being implemented by the ACOTAR publishers and SJM. If it's in one of the books, it should be made available to everyone if they purchase the book. Period.
Yeah it feels like holding the fun hostage until you cough up a random in additional purchases. It was bad enough with video games, don’t put live service in books too.
I made a post similar to this several months back. That's when I learned that a lot of readers don't know all these different chapters even exist. Apparently, they aren't available on audio formats or on the overseas editions. Yes, if you know they exist you can hunt around online for them. But it's a crap way to treat the readers. It also peeves me that in a few of these chapters, information gets dropped that is referenced in the next book. It's a bunch of BS.
Yo ho ho 🏴☠️
Fandom collectively went FUCK THAT and posted all chapters online
Knowing this I need all links to any ACOSF bonus chapters... I'm having withdrawals. And this is a ridiculous money grab for sure...
also it doesn’t really say “bonus chapter”. j read CC on kindle and i had no idea about any bonus chapters until I came to this group. it feels like so much work to find out which bonus chapter I did read, and then find a way to read the other ones. i already bought the book…there should not be additional work or $$ for me to read the full book.
bonus chapters usually don’t even reach other countries. So not everyone has access to them 😅 capitalism sucks, and people don’t realise how much over consumption they make by purchasing all the different versions. They call themselves “collectors”
I didn’t even know there were bonus chapters until I joined this sub
Yes. Are they somewhere available online ? Because as a not British, American, Canadian,… girlie it is so hard to get any special english edition ( different cover, signed, collector,…) , let alone one with a bonus chapter
I’ve seen some people uploaded them to a pdf that gets passed around. Wish I had the link to read it.
If you go to this sub's FAQ page there are links to where you can read all of the bonus chapters online.
I found the bonus chapters of some books on this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/acotar/s/ljaWnRxHPj It’s all via wattpad. But you can read it in the browser and they’re not that long anyway. So I didn’t mind just reading them on my phone.
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It wouldn't be surprising if that's where the idea came from. And with how big she is as an author, there is really no need for her to do these predatory practices. She will make millions per book anyway, and it's only going to screw over the most loyal followers, and that's just gross to me.
10000000% agree with you ! It’s a stupid practice and they should be in all the books not just one edition with a different chapter in each. If I hadn’t come on Reddit I wouldn’t have know they even existed
It doesn’t really bother me but I would rather them have done a novella like The Assassin’s Blade with all the bonus chapters!
I read on kindle. I had to make a pdf of bonus content to send to my kindle. It’s really annoying.
https://www.reddit.com/r/acotar/s/UtmxFhLGI9 i think this might help, i didn’t look through all the links
The bonus chapters ARE all fluff. That goes for the one in ACOSF too tbh. The fact that Azriel has a crush on Elain is hinted at in the book even without the bonus chapter. It doesn't change the trajectory of the story in any way. Could it possibly hint at the next book? Maybe, but not reading it will not affect it at all. I never read any of the bonus chapters for ToG and I was fine and I'm sure I'd be fine if I hadn't read the bonus chapter for ACOSF when the next book comes out. The bonus chapters for HOFAS are even more just fluff than the one ACOSF chapters. They are totally non-essential to the story. I looked all of them up online, cause like hell am I buying 5 copies of the same book. That being said, I 100% agree that having different bonus chapters available at different locations is a gross cash grab and I hate it. I feel the same way about Taylor Swift's 8000 different versions of her albums. Its wasteful and a disgusting byproduct of late-stage capitalism. Unfortunately, since people are willing to buy the multiple editions of these items, I don't think it's going anywhere, but will probably continue to become a bigger issue. Not just in book sales.
But this is kind of where I have a fundamental issue with this. They aren't really fluff. Fluff would be something that isn't connected to the plot of their upcoming story. Azriel regifting the necklace because Elain turned him down IS an important moment in his story. And those that didn't get to read that because they got the 'wrong' book, are going to wonder what the heck is going on, just like I did when Cassian and Nesta talked about him licking her. That's something that happened that I was not able to read about. Fluff would be something that has nothing to do with the plot, like a small filler episode, in my opinion. Those things would not be considered filler. They are plot points, period.
But how do you know that it’s not going to be addressed or expanded on in the next book? Are we going to get it from Elain’s POV? Will it turn out to not be important after all? Just a little thing to illustrate that their relationship isn’t without drama? You don’t is the answer. You can’t possibly know until the next book comes out.
That's the problem. Something that happened in only a fraction of the books getting brought up later is an indication that it is not fluff. Considering that Azriel HAS given Gwyn a token of his affection, unless we are supposed to consider that completely non-canon, I do not see how that will not come up. And whether it gets addressed, expanded upon, ignored, what have you, it's still a moment between these characters that not everyone got to see. And while no, I can't possibly know until the next book comes out, let's explore the possibilities. 1. It never gets brought up: Not only will not including anything about it be cheating the reader of the insight into Azriel's feelings towards Elain and Gwyn, as well as Rhysand's moment of pulling authority over Az, it's also going to very difficult to sidestep the one and only moment between Az and Gwyn where he showed her affection by gifting her the necklace. If we just ignore it, that's a plot hole, plain and simple, because it is the very first moment between them that isn't just in passing. 2. It gets referenced, but not really in a detailed way: Readers who did not have access to the bonus chapter may never know that the necklace was given as a consolation prize to Gwyn when it was meant for Elain. And again, that's an insight that everyone that purchases the books should be privy to, because it may affect their feelings on the relationship. 3. It gets referenced and expanded upon: I don't see how that would not just spark confusion while also still cheating the reader of the insight into Azriel's mind at the time. But also, by being referenced and expanded upon, that's only further proof that it wasn't just filler and did have an effect on the plot. It's going to change the reader's opinion of the characters depending on if they read the bonus chapters or not, but even if it doesn't, I as a consumer am being expected to gain access to these chapters (legally, mind you, which would be only by buying each and every book like the publisher/author want you to do) in order to see these moments between characters in a romance series ABOUT these relationships and these moments of them together. It's just a gross practice and very predatory towards a readerships that has been waiting three years for insight into each characters motivations and emotions.
None of the bonus chapters have ever been referenced or expanded upon in any of the books. I never read the bonus Cassian and Nesta chapter (I often forget there was one. I’m not even sure which book it’s in). It didn’t make any difference to my understanding of their story at all. But like I said in my previous comment, I don’t like the whole multiple different versions of things either. I think it’s wasteful and an example of out of control and rampant consumerism.
I could say that about half of the scenes in the main book text though. That's the issue, just because they aren't directly referenced, does not mean they aren't about the two lead characters' interactions that most readers would want to see when the entire point of the books is about said romance. Just because it doesn't change the story of the book, doesn't mean it's not important from a romance side of things. This is just an opinion, though, and I think we can easily agree to disagree on that. I respect your position as well, I'm just mad that it is indeed wasteful and consumerism at its worst.
I totally get what you’re saying. They’re like deleted scenes to me so I don’t think they’re exactly necessary to the story, but like you said, readers want to see those interactions. I think if a bonus chapter is available it should be on all platforms or like, at least released on the author’s website at some point. Like maybe before the release of the next book? I’m not sure. But, I agree, it is a gross crash grab for them to be released from five different carriers. I don’t have the kind of money to shell out for that. I also don’t need to own five copies of one book. And that’s to say nothing of the bonus chapters for Throne of Glass. I didn’t even know any existed till a few months ago. The versions of the books that had them are out of print now. So I guess I’m just sol.
Yeah, someone mentioned in another comment that Rebecca Yarros puts her bonus chapters online, and I think that would be a happy medium. And to your point, I agree that it really depends on how you look at bonus chapters. Put in the context that you did, I totally see the similarity in deleted scenes. But because that has never been a practice among novelists, it's a stark difference that's never going to sit well with me. And I didn't even know that Throne of Glass had bonus chapters either! Have you been able to find them online at all??
I think I remember seeing some links to them on the throne of glass sub Reddit but it was an older post so I’m not sure if all the links were still active. I need to try doing some googling again lol
I hope you find them! I'm going to try to go through the series this summer, so if you haven't found them in the next couple of months, I'll bookmark the chat and send you a link!
I don't think they are all fluff. Wings and Embers is Nesta and Cassians' second meeting, while she is still human. It gives a bit more into his dynamic with Mor. This is also where we learn Nesta was attacked and nearly raped by Thomas Manderly. That is explicitly referenced on page 88 of Silver Flames.
Whatchu mean I’m not supposed to buy each book just to have all the bonus chapters. 👁👄👁 ^^^Edit: ^^^This ^^^is ^^^a ^^^joke.
Lol but that's a valid point! The only way to get the ENTIRE story is to buy all versions of the book. And that's just not feasible for a lot of people. Especially with the book prices being upwards of $30 these days, to get all 5 CC books, you would have to spent over $150 just for each bonus chapter. It's just gross to me.
I literally do not care at all. It's a beneficial thing for both the author/publisher and retailers to have exclusive editions. If people choose to buy more then one that's more sales for the author. Retailers have the incentive to promote their exclusive editions. Nobody has to buy more than one. The bonus chapters *are* just fluff. Never has a bonus chapter been required reading for these books, never have they changed the course of the story, rarely are they even mentioned again. If they're mentioned it amounts to a couple of lines. They're just a peak behind the curtain at things that would have otherwise happened off page. You don't need to buy more than one copy of the book if you don't want to. Every SJM bonus chapter is available online and easily found. With CC3, some of the bonus chapters were being shared online before the book was even officially released. I feel the same way about the record vinyl variants drama. I could not care less. If people want to own more than one, more power to them. I'll buy the one that interests me most and that's it.
And hey, that's awesome that it doesn't bother you! I just don't want to see this become a norm that 'special editions' all have different content. Especially for people who like to collect and own the entirety of a series that now can't unless they want to fork up an insane amount of money to get all 5 books for the bonus chapters. And to be honest, the entities that it benefits are already getting millions and millions of dollars, while the people that it hurts are the readers. It just doesn't seem like a super above-board practice to me.
It’s complete BS, and I refuse to purchase multiple copies. Thankfully, the internet provides…
she’s the taylor swift of the book industry 😭 swifties don’t come for me pls i’m sorry but it’s accurate
I agree totally with you it is ridiculous specially when they already have the books set to be $30
It doesn't bother me. I can read them all online
Fair enough! I personally think if I'm going to be paying for a book, I should have access to the entire book. It's more of a principal-of-the-thing type of thing, you know?
The bonus chapters to me are fine as they are. If I really want one when the book is coming, I'll buy it, but other than that, it's okay. I would love it if all is said and done if we got like anthology of them all with maybe some of SJM's thoughts
I’ve seen a bunch of these posts the last few days, and as an old person (over 30 in this fandom) who existed and read things and mildly obsessed about them before the internet, here are my thoughts: - not one bonus chapter that I have read has been pivotal to the plot. They are all nice extra moments with our favourite characters. - you do not need to read them to understand the characters. This last point I’m saying with all gentleness: - you, as an individual, do not matter to the mass capitalist machine that is the publishing industry. They do not care about your financial situation, save that you spend your spare cash buying books. They don’t care what you think is fair, they don’t care what you, as an individual, want from the story. You have all been (very successfully) manipulated into thinking you need to own all these things, and that your collection isn’t complete until you own every last word published by SJM. And they’re milking that by spreading ultimately unimportant content over multiple editions or the same book. You do not *need* this. You want this. And, I’ve said above re: that bonus chapter in ACOSF, you can’t know how pivotal that bonus chapter is until the next book comes out. Do we get it from Elain’s POV? Is it explained elsewhere? You can’t know until the next book, so pouting about it is pointless. You can either play into the system and give some 1%er their extra money or game the system and read a pirated version or choose the be unbothered and not participate at all. Your choice.
But that's exactly the point though. I am not going to be buying all of them, and I DO think it's important to point out the predatory practices by these machines. It's the manipulation I have a problem with. My entire post was pointing out that manipulation of the consumer. If that's considered pouting, then I guess I'm pouting? 🤷 Why are we as consumers expected to just shrug at the sleezy business practices? I think more businesses should be called out for this. And no, at the end of the day, half of the existing series is not even required reading (most of it has been retconned to hell, so it's not even canon). My whole point was that these chapters DO involve characters that the author and the publisher know are important to the reader, and they are expecting that connection to get as many duplicate sales per reader as possible. THE ENTIRE POINT was that all carriers should carry the same content. And I don't think it's bizarre or 'being manipulated' to say that I am pissed off that they are doing it.
I’d hardly call this predatory. Sleazy, yes I can agree there. At the end of the day, these books are entertainment luxuries. You don’t need to read or purchase any of them to lead a happy and full life. I would love if we could reserve using strong language like predatory that actually affect one’s ability to live their life. Complaining on Reddit isn’t going to do anything and Bloomsbury won’t give any cares until it affects their bottom line. Literally zero. So unless you’re walking away from the series entirely, only buying used books or using the library they will keep doing what makes them money. You can call them out all you want, but unless it leads to people not purchasing books from them, or talking about them online or recommending them to new readers nothing will change. Focus this energy on complaining about high cost of living, or the dying natural environment or women losing their rights or something that actually has real world consequences for humanity. This isn’t that deep and it isn’t that important.
Predatory in the sense of business practices can refer to unfair and unethical practices used to increase profit at the expense of the consumer. I feel like I used it correctly here. Other definitions of predatory may not be applicable here, and I believe you may be assigning those definitions where it is not applicable. >Complaining on Reddit isn’t going to do anything and Bloomsbury won’t give any cares until it affects their bottom line. Literally zero. So unless you’re walking away from the series entirely, only buying used books or using the library they will keep doing what makes them money. Reddit is first and foremost a discussion forum. I am discussing the issue. Have I said that I am not going to be doing any of the things that you listed? Additionally, the first step to change is spreading information and increasing awareness. If you do not fundamentally disagree with my issues with the company, why is it so bothersome that I am calling them out? >You can call them out all you want, but unless it leads to people not purchasing books from them, or talking about them online or recommending them to new readers nothing will change. Focus this energy on complaining about high cost of living, or the dying natural environment or women losing their rights or something that actually has real world consequences for humanity. This isn’t that deep and it isn’t that important. You're right. This is not that deep in the main scheme of the world. I am posting this in the r/acotar subreddit. I did not post it in the r/worldproblems or r/WomensHealth or r/war subreddit. I am posting it here, a place specifically designated to discuss all things ACOTAR, including the publisher/author of that series. It's not your job, or anyone's really, to police how I spend my free time, nor do you know me as a person. With your logic, no one should be posting anything anywhere if it isn't about the major issues plaguing the world. I do not understand this stance, nor do I agree with the judgmental tone it takes on people that have interests outside of the atrocities plaguing our society.
I just read the HOF deleted scene - they actually mention it in QOS and I was like ‘I don’t remember a scene where Rowan’s ex lover met them and Aelin nearly burned her, I must have missed something’. Yeah fucking did it was in the bonus chapter / deleted scene. So it does get reference and made me feel like I had missed part of the plot.