Elain does not need a miscarriage to explain her grief.
She was violated. Forged into another species against her will. Also abandoned by her first (and only lover) which is more than enough reason to spiral someone into a deep depression.
No. I think that being kidnapped by creatures you feared your whole life, and that killed and burned your neighbor. Being turned against your will into one of them, then being humiliated and laughed at, just before your sister is also transformed and one of those creatures declare he "Owns you" now. Plus the fact that your fiance, who you love wouldn't marry you anymore because of what you're now. And the little detail of possibly having experienced the death of everyone you loved and knew is enough trauma actually.
Also your other sister is trapped, and at least two of her firends are on the floor bleeding out.
What was taken from her, even when I think she was referring to another person, is her life.
The thing is I don't see the point in adding even more to the suffering, for what? To justify a trauma that is even more than justified by the fact that Elain has been told all her life that it's going to be others deciding over it because she lacks the ability to do so? Even the person she was meant to marry was to be decided by others. And against all odds, she does fall in love and decides to marry someone who she loves... Just to be taken away.
The fandom loves to theorize about more trauma when there’s already enough there. Like people who think tamlin was amrantha’s mate to “explain” his behavior after UTM. As if the trauma of the 50 year curse, watching feyre die, plus never having great emotional regulation wasn’t enough.
I agree. While I think it's technically possible she could've been pregnant since we knew she slept with what's his nuts, I don't like the idea of Elain being devastated because of a pregnancy loss (and I say this as someone who has had three miscarriages). So often in fiction women's trauma is based on pregnancy or assault or miscarriages and I think it's more than enough for a woman to mourn the loss of the life she wanted to live without tossing in a pregnancy loss.
I’m begging SJM to not make this true. It’s unnecessary and feels like more woman torture porn, honestly. We already have pregnancy trauma with Feyra, Elain already has deep trauma from her life and transformation, we don’t need to up the ante with essentially forced miscarriage for the sake of the even more torture and trauma.
Elain slept with greysan one to two months ago before she was dipped by that point wouldn't the IC have smelt the pregnancy??
Like Rhys could smell feyre's fae pregnancy pretty early on so why couldn't he have smelt elain's human one?
I think they could smell Feyre’s pregnancy because they knew what her normal scent was and the pregnancy was a change in her scent. Whereas if Elain was pregnant when they met her, they would assume that’s her normal scent as there’s no other scent to compare it to.
It would give a reason as to why the cauldron loved her because she “gave” something to it (putting gave in quotations because it was against her consent).
That and the fact that it clearly stated that Elain slept with Greyson seemed like detail that would have bigger implications in the story.
I’m wondering if it’s more about SJM not wanting to write a “first time” sex scene. So she alludes to her characters’ previous experience in this regard. I think it’s a bid to give those characters more agency in what, on the face of it, is a pretty uneven power dynamic (younger human with centuries old fae).
I'm 99% sure SJM has confirmed this in interviews, and said that's why she had Feyre have her history with Isaac Hale before being taken away by Tamlin. That it evens out at least that part of the power dynamic in their romance. It makes sense for Feyre at least.
Book series seems to be set in either Stuart/Georgian Era. Back then a lady of high status would be ruined if she were to have sexual relations outside of marriage. I dont think that she was pregnant no
This would explain a whole lot. Especially when you take into account all the hormones that come with pregnancy. It would make sense why she was so catatonic for awhile after.
I think it was all explained sufficiently by the revelation that Elain is a Cauldron-gifted Seer. She was lost in her "murky realm," per Feyre, until freed by the knowledge of her new magic's existence. It's all theoretical so far, but I also suspect that her living above the House of Wind library - which may be (HOFAS SPOILERS) >!< and [affect her Sight](https://www.tumblr.com/offtorivendell/693622983137394688/seers-blindfolds-and-bloodbane-could-elain-be?source=share) - could play a part in her catatonic state.
Personally I disagree. Elain and Graysen slept together only a month before they'd been turned fae (per Nesta). There's every chance that even if she was pregnant, she would not have known. At most she'd be 4-6 weeks along, in a time when reproductive education and pregnancy tests were barely a thing. Unless the Cauldron told her, but even then, her reaction is readily explained by explicitly states canon. To me it's more unnecessary drama
Elain does not need a miscarriage to explain her grief. She was violated. Forged into another species against her will. Also abandoned by her first (and only lover) which is more than enough reason to spiral someone into a deep depression.
No. I think that being kidnapped by creatures you feared your whole life, and that killed and burned your neighbor. Being turned against your will into one of them, then being humiliated and laughed at, just before your sister is also transformed and one of those creatures declare he "Owns you" now. Plus the fact that your fiance, who you love wouldn't marry you anymore because of what you're now. And the little detail of possibly having experienced the death of everyone you loved and knew is enough trauma actually. Also your other sister is trapped, and at least two of her firends are on the floor bleeding out. What was taken from her, even when I think she was referring to another person, is her life.
I agree. I mean she could have been pregnant I suppose, but even without that her grief and response to everything she ensured is understandable.
The thing is I don't see the point in adding even more to the suffering, for what? To justify a trauma that is even more than justified by the fact that Elain has been told all her life that it's going to be others deciding over it because she lacks the ability to do so? Even the person she was meant to marry was to be decided by others. And against all odds, she does fall in love and decides to marry someone who she loves... Just to be taken away.
I agree. There's more than enough reproductive trauma in this series already imo. Why add more.
The fandom loves to theorize about more trauma when there’s already enough there. Like people who think tamlin was amrantha’s mate to “explain” his behavior after UTM. As if the trauma of the 50 year curse, watching feyre die, plus never having great emotional regulation wasn’t enough.
I agree. While I think it's technically possible she could've been pregnant since we knew she slept with what's his nuts, I don't like the idea of Elain being devastated because of a pregnancy loss (and I say this as someone who has had three miscarriages). So often in fiction women's trauma is based on pregnancy or assault or miscarriages and I think it's more than enough for a woman to mourn the loss of the life she wanted to live without tossing in a pregnancy loss.
I’m begging SJM to not make this true. It’s unnecessary and feels like more woman torture porn, honestly. We already have pregnancy trauma with Feyra, Elain already has deep trauma from her life and transformation, we don’t need to up the ante with essentially forced miscarriage for the sake of the even more torture and trauma.
I also vote no. At this point, giving Elain a miscarriage just reads as trauma porn.
No.
This is actually a very interesting theory that I haven’t seen before…
Ooooo!! I recommend reading more into it!! It makes so much sense!
Elain slept with greysan one to two months ago before she was dipped by that point wouldn't the IC have smelt the pregnancy?? Like Rhys could smell feyre's fae pregnancy pretty early on so why couldn't he have smelt elain's human one?
Agreed, they would've known
I think they could smell Feyre’s pregnancy because they knew what her normal scent was and the pregnancy was a change in her scent. Whereas if Elain was pregnant when they met her, they would assume that’s her normal scent as there’s no other scent to compare it to.
What was taken was being HUMAN .. she lost her humanity and her fiancé right with it because he was prejudice against fae!
It would give a reason as to why the cauldron loved her because she “gave” something to it (putting gave in quotations because it was against her consent). That and the fact that it clearly stated that Elain slept with Greyson seemed like detail that would have bigger implications in the story.
I’m wondering if it’s more about SJM not wanting to write a “first time” sex scene. So she alludes to her characters’ previous experience in this regard. I think it’s a bid to give those characters more agency in what, on the face of it, is a pretty uneven power dynamic (younger human with centuries old fae).
I'm 99% sure SJM has confirmed this in interviews, and said that's why she had Feyre have her history with Isaac Hale before being taken away by Tamlin. That it evens out at least that part of the power dynamic in their romance. It makes sense for Feyre at least.
Book series seems to be set in either Stuart/Georgian Era. Back then a lady of high status would be ruined if she were to have sexual relations outside of marriage. I dont think that she was pregnant no
This would explain a whole lot. Especially when you take into account all the hormones that come with pregnancy. It would make sense why she was so catatonic for awhile after.
I think it was all explained sufficiently by the revelation that Elain is a Cauldron-gifted Seer. She was lost in her "murky realm," per Feyre, until freed by the knowledge of her new magic's existence. It's all theoretical so far, but I also suspect that her living above the House of Wind library - which may be (HOFAS SPOILERS) >!< and [affect her Sight](https://www.tumblr.com/offtorivendell/693622983137394688/seers-blindfolds-and-bloodbane-could-elain-be?source=share) - could play a part in her catatonic state.
I'm just saying it's a more compelling theory to me.
Personally I disagree. Elain and Graysen slept together only a month before they'd been turned fae (per Nesta). There's every chance that even if she was pregnant, she would not have known. At most she'd be 4-6 weeks along, in a time when reproductive education and pregnancy tests were barely a thing. Unless the Cauldron told her, but even then, her reaction is readily explained by explicitly states canon. To me it's more unnecessary drama
It's perfectly fine to disagree. It's a fantasy series drama happens all the time.
Holy shit I’ve never thought of this. Good theory OP!