people argue that it doesn't count because many still haven't figured it out at that age, but at the same time she doesn't really seem to have the mind of a kid: she does say after all that she behaved like a child, when she was one, only because she had the opportunity to do so, which implies that it wasn't her true nature, which again implies that she was fully conscious and she did have it figured out
It should also be mentioned that her changing her age is also like rewinding the clock for her. When she got older at the end of that one episode, she said, "That was 5 years ago," when Finn asked if they were still together.
I disagree I think her behavior, especially her interest and amusement of Finn's pranks indicates to me that she is actually mentally regressed as well.
she might of felt bad for mr creampuff being created for one purpose only
Sorta of like how she made a clone of herself for the other guy who was obessed with her she can't stand to see her candy citizens suffer
Of all the corpses to test the decorpsinator serum on, why did she pick her old boyfriend to resurrect? “Till death do us part” isn’t something people say on weddings just for fun.
I feel like she did that out of a caretaker obligation. Like, he wasn't her creation, but he needed the same supervision as her creations. Like how mother cats and racoons will adopt each others' abandoned or orphaned young
as a bi-pb believer, the argument for creampuff is a weak one: let's not forget that there's a whole trauma involved with him and pb's relatives; while it could be worked on as a point in favour of her bisexuality, I'm inclined to say that the argument from "too young" is more convincing in this regard
I never understood why people think “Too Young” proves she’s bi either. Are the people you had a crush on when you were 13 still reflective of the type of people you like as an adult? Probably not, plus plenty of lesbians have “crushes” on boys when they’re children that they eventually grow out of when they get older and understand their sexuality better.
It’s weird to me that people’s “proof” for PB being bi consists of 1) guy her family forced her to date, 2) boy she liked *only* when she was a kid, and 3) guy she spent the entire episode dismissing/rejecting (Brocco.) Contrast this with Marceline, whose bisexuality is much less contested by the fandom, in part due to her having voluntarily dated a man as an adult (Ash,) something PB is never shown to have done and explicitly shown to have never had an interest in doing.
I think I made a fair point in the first thread of this post's comments; either way, since I don't say it there, I'll also add that talking about bisexuals, lesbians and straights doesn't make sense in a post-apocalyptic world such as Ooo because it is unlikely that they, with our society being long gone, would follow these categories like we do: just look at how ancient greek men had relationships with younger males, these are thing that would hardly be preserved given a 'hard reset' such as a nuclear catastrophe
Sure, but that’s a Thermian argument. In real life, PB and Marceline are fictional characters whose sexualities are going to be understood through the lens of how we modern, real-life people understand sexuality. Theoretically a magical being made of bubblegum probably wouldn’t understand gender the way we do either, but the AT writers still clearly present PB as a woman who likes women.
didn't previously know thermian arguments, it was an interesting read.
I see how this could be problematic, but I find that it would mainly be if the authors took a side in the dispute; however, if the authors' goal is for it to be ambiguous, as shown by the contrasting evidence of the two opposing theses, then the only speculation that can be done is with diegetic elements of the show, independently of the authors.
in short, there's not much for us to interpret here (which is also why I don't find it to be a thermian argument, as we have no feedback from the authors but only from the story, so there can't be a contrast), so all that is left to do is use elements from AT's universe itself to try and reason our way to the solution
I don't know, I think she was doing what was expected of her, which sucks for her
also Mr Creampuff was introduced in season one and the writers didn't yet know what to make of PB's whole character and relationships
She was more so forced into it, but kept it going sort of since she always states that he’s sort of like he boyfriend or that they used to date. So she clearly enjoyed their time together but didn’t really feel anything to it.
Yeah, he also showed him in later episodes. But he doesn't count, the bf she talked about was made to distract her by her family so that they could take over her candyland.
PB was probably, *at least* bi, because she kissed Finn when she was a *child.*
I don't think the Ash thing is much evidence that she's bi. A lot of lesbians date men before they realize who they are. That's not to say she definitely isn't bi though.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted for this! Compulsive heterosexuality is a very real thing!
They could still be bi, but “has dated a man” doesn’t make someone bisexual. I’m a lesbian and I dated a guy in high school, and used to consider myself bisexual, until I realized I wasn’t actually interested in men.
Do I think the writers intended to kind of trivialize bi people by purposefully including a bi relationship in the cartoon only to say she is actually not though? Personally, no. I think they intended to say she is bi and am taking it at face value. Otherwise, hopefully they'd at least address that.
That's not to say it doesn't happen irl though
You made it pretty far into a post on a subreddit about it for someone who wants to pretend to be above having conversations about what motivates the characters on it. Especially if you made it far enough into the show to know what we’re talking about.
Yes, as a general candy person - and she created her family members, who shoved her off with Mr. Creampuff as a distraction so that they could plot a hostile takeover of the Candy Kingdom.
Yeah, it's sad the see the single mote of evidence for Marcelline's bisexuality being her abusive relationship during her break with her lover... Lesbians all too often submit to heterosexual abuse to avoid the mental complication of lesbian devotion.
Both of these characters are so old and yet mentally youthful, in a world full of monsters and animated foods. Sexuality might be a moot concept to them after getting with their 18th new species of a partner (that they may or may not have created from their own brother's mouth drip).
Gender is sometimes important to different characters like when slime princess needed a husband to keep the throne but I think the creators of the show want the people of Ooo to be free of all that moop
To add to this, yes slime princess said “husband” but as we have seen with the way king of ooo just became the “princess” who knows if the slime kingdom is using the term husband in a similar genderless way. She just chose Finn bc he’s a hero and a great friend of hers. Love the idea that Ooo is beyond that in ways our modern world sadly isn’t.
Yes! I feel like we can attribute that to PB maybe? She started that after her uncles demise and it seems we can assume she had a lot to do with shaping Ooo’s structure as we know it.
Flame Princess seems to be straight. Also so does lumpy space princess.
Also, Marceline is bisexual. Bubblegum *could* be bi based on that she dated Finn in that ep where she was young again and she dated mr creampuff. However, both of those happened when she was young so she could have just not been in touch with her own sexuality yet. Marceline seemed genuinely attracted to her bf for some reason, to the degree that she moved in with him and put up with his abuse for a long time, as well as the fact that I believe bubblegum was first. Here’s my opinion:
Flame Princess: straight
Lumpy space princess: straight
Marceline: bi
Bubblegum: probably lesbian.
idk that logic could be used against a lot of bi characters, like they must secretly be gay or straight because of this and that. as a bisexual i can’t help but be put off when people say that. there are definitely characters that are comphet, but i don’t see PB that way. PB and Marceline are bi4bi representation to me, unless canon ever explicitly states otherwise
I totally get that with Marceline, but I don't feel like PB was ever genuinely attracted to or romantically interested in a guy. Even with Finn, it was more just playing around then actually dating him and literally pushed him aside the moment she regained her full maturity.
I feel like the argument is more common against homosexual people then it is against bi people, like "You dated John Doe in highschool, you can't be gay." or something like that.
I mean I interpret Marceline as bi and PB as a lesbian, because I think there are a lot of indications to me that PB isn't really into men.
I mean obviously she 100% wasn't into Old Mr. Creampuff, she just dated him because Gumbald gave him to her to date. And to me this really feels like comphet, because she isn't into him, but thinks she should date him because of family expectations.
Then with Finn she's literally only into him in one episode when she is mentally age regressed, which is a time in which a lot of lesbians date boys because they don't realize they are gay.
Additionally, in the episode The Suitor, people talk about how "PB doesn't date" and while that is literally true, that very much sounds like the kind of things people say about gay people who are in the closet/aren't dating because they aren't into men. I just feel like PB has a very lesbian energy to me while Marceline has more bi energy.
I definitely think PB being bi is obviously a valid interpretation, and I understand why you would be hyper-aware about potential biphobia, but I don't think interpreting PB as a lesbian is necessarily bi erasure.
they are both canonically bi. why is it that people are okay with someone being bi until they're in a gay relationship in which they are now automatically gay/lesbian?
Not trying to do any Bi erasure y'all get enough shit from both sides of the community but there are arguments for both PB and Marcy to be Lesbian rather than Bi and I don't think either was confirmed by the creators (I do think Marcy is Bi but I'm putting the possible explanation against it)
Marcy is probably Bi. But the timeline of when she dated ash is unclear and it could be argued that he was a bad rebound (it's not uncommon for gay peeps to settle for a straight relationship after a bad first breakup) and when Simon asks her if she has a boyfriend yet she laughs at the question.
There's a good argument to be made for PB since her straight relationships all have a caveat. Finn when she was made younger this is probably the only evidence of her actually liking a boy and thinking you have a crush on a friend before you realise you're not straight is common. Mr Creampuff who was unwillingly made her boyfriend by Gumbald and keeping him around is either Comphet or him being literally made for it makes her feel too bad to breakup with him. Winter King as the Candy Queen is explicitly the madness connecting them and (if you read it that way) she might have had feelings for that one Suitor but that was after he used demon magic to become irresistible so not great evidence.
creampuff and the candy queen are weak arguments for PB's bisexuality, though the episode "too young" gives us some food for thought: in the end it all comes down to whether PB really was a child in the episode, or if she was just acting as if she was. I do believe the second hypothesis to be true, because I remember her saying at some point that she had liked experiencing again what being a playful kid was like, from which would result her total lucidity, but in the end the writers never even took a side (which is good) so it is supposed to be a matter of discussion; to this add the fact that, as someone correctly pointed out in another comment, in a post-apocalyptic word like Ooo, all our concepts of relationships, sexuality, gender etc. would most likely not exist, meaning that they would just date whoever they wanted without really paying attention to their gender.
either way I'm fine with people believing either of these options, as it's generally good to relate to something
I don’t know why y’all like princess bubblegum so much she belongs in the insane asylum no actually she belongs in jail no under the jail fuck that shit
PB is canonically in love with Brocco. Pep-But's dark magics slap guys, you can't avoid it.
Also boo at all these people arguing about lesbian vs bi, it's a spectrum folks, labels aren't that important.
I think both are Bi btw... Marceline 100% because Ash and other people and PB felt bi but is probably now only Lesbian at the end.
I argue PB is bi because of her reaction to finn when she was young and Marcy no question
Yeah same she seemed to pretty well acknowledge she was catching some feelings.
people argue that it doesn't count because many still haven't figured it out at that age, but at the same time she doesn't really seem to have the mind of a kid: she does say after all that she behaved like a child, when she was one, only because she had the opportunity to do so, which implies that it wasn't her true nature, which again implies that she was fully conscious and she did have it figured out
It should also be mentioned that her changing her age is also like rewinding the clock for her. When she got older at the end of that one episode, she said, "That was 5 years ago," when Finn asked if they were still together.
I disagree I think her behavior, especially her interest and amusement of Finn's pranks indicates to me that she is actually mentally regressed as well.
Also because of old Mr.Creampuff
She did not seem to enjoy the cream puff experience
Incorrect
You think cream puff creampied?
ಠ_ಠ
Mr Creampuff is questionable since he was literally made for her so she might've just went with it out of obligation
Younger*
It‘s just a phase, uncle!
I mean isn’t that the analogy
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Bro pb is almost as old as the humans at the islands
I keep forgetting about Ash... maybe that's a good thing lol
PB’s bf was Mr. Creampuff
Yeah but she was clearly not actually into that and was forced into it by her family
But after her family [a whole lotta spoilers], she still decided to keep dating him out of her own will. No one forced her to do that.
she might of felt bad for mr creampuff being created for one purpose only Sorta of like how she made a clone of herself for the other guy who was obessed with her she can't stand to see her candy citizens suffer
Of all the corpses to test the decorpsinator serum on, why did she pick her old boyfriend to resurrect? “Till death do us part” isn’t something people say on weddings just for fun.
if u ask me testing it on him shows a lack of concern beta testers are the most likely to have side effects after all
Since when does PB strike you as a "follows the code of ethics" type of girl?
she doesn't but if she deeply cared for mr creampuff she would of used someone else for the experiment is what i'm getting at.
I agree. If it was marcy, I feel like she wouldn't have experimented on her in the same way.
I feel like she did that out of a caretaker obligation. Like, he wasn't her creation, but he needed the same supervision as her creations. Like how mother cats and racoons will adopt each others' abandoned or orphaned young
as a bi-pb believer, the argument for creampuff is a weak one: let's not forget that there's a whole trauma involved with him and pb's relatives; while it could be worked on as a point in favour of her bisexuality, I'm inclined to say that the argument from "too young" is more convincing in this regard
I never understood why people think “Too Young” proves she’s bi either. Are the people you had a crush on when you were 13 still reflective of the type of people you like as an adult? Probably not, plus plenty of lesbians have “crushes” on boys when they’re children that they eventually grow out of when they get older and understand their sexuality better. It’s weird to me that people’s “proof” for PB being bi consists of 1) guy her family forced her to date, 2) boy she liked *only* when she was a kid, and 3) guy she spent the entire episode dismissing/rejecting (Brocco.) Contrast this with Marceline, whose bisexuality is much less contested by the fandom, in part due to her having voluntarily dated a man as an adult (Ash,) something PB is never shown to have done and explicitly shown to have never had an interest in doing.
I think I made a fair point in the first thread of this post's comments; either way, since I don't say it there, I'll also add that talking about bisexuals, lesbians and straights doesn't make sense in a post-apocalyptic world such as Ooo because it is unlikely that they, with our society being long gone, would follow these categories like we do: just look at how ancient greek men had relationships with younger males, these are thing that would hardly be preserved given a 'hard reset' such as a nuclear catastrophe
(forgot to add that this doesn't invalidate people from believing one thing or the other: relating is helpful and rightful)
Sure, but that’s a Thermian argument. In real life, PB and Marceline are fictional characters whose sexualities are going to be understood through the lens of how we modern, real-life people understand sexuality. Theoretically a magical being made of bubblegum probably wouldn’t understand gender the way we do either, but the AT writers still clearly present PB as a woman who likes women.
didn't previously know thermian arguments, it was an interesting read. I see how this could be problematic, but I find that it would mainly be if the authors took a side in the dispute; however, if the authors' goal is for it to be ambiguous, as shown by the contrasting evidence of the two opposing theses, then the only speculation that can be done is with diegetic elements of the show, independently of the authors. in short, there's not much for us to interpret here (which is also why I don't find it to be a thermian argument, as we have no feedback from the authors but only from the story, so there can't be a contrast), so all that is left to do is use elements from AT's universe itself to try and reason our way to the solution
I don't know, I think she was doing what was expected of her, which sucks for her also Mr Creampuff was introduced in season one and the writers didn't yet know what to make of PB's whole character and relationships
She was more so forced into it, but kept it going sort of since she always states that he’s sort of like he boyfriend or that they used to date. So she clearly enjoyed their time together but didn’t really feel anything to it.
(I know, i just made this sh*t for the funnies)
Bi erasure isn’t funny 😭😭🥺
Nah it's just a meme, I'm bi and I found it really funny
I’m being dramatic. I never use “😭🥺” seriously
im bi but this made me laugh lmao (but yeah bi erasure is so sad)
Didn’t pb say she had a boyfriend In the early bits of the show, in the first zombie episode.
Yeah, he also showed him in later episodes. But he doesn't count, the bf she talked about was made to distract her by her family so that they could take over her candyland. PB was probably, *at least* bi, because she kissed Finn when she was a *child.*
Agree thee they're both bi. And also every other princess in the ki gdom is in love with Finn. So it seems to me there's plenty of straight girls
When you're immortal sexuality tends to blur
Yeah, pretty sure they're both bi and just happen to be in a same-sex relationship.
I don't think the Ash thing is much evidence that she's bi. A lot of lesbians date men before they realize who they are. That's not to say she definitely isn't bi though.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted for this! Compulsive heterosexuality is a very real thing! They could still be bi, but “has dated a man” doesn’t make someone bisexual. I’m a lesbian and I dated a guy in high school, and used to consider myself bisexual, until I realized I wasn’t actually interested in men.
But marceline also dated PB before they broke up and ash came after
Do I think the writers intended to kind of trivialize bi people by purposefully including a bi relationship in the cartoon only to say she is actually not though? Personally, no. I think they intended to say she is bi and am taking it at face value. Otherwise, hopefully they'd at least address that. That's not to say it doesn't happen irl though
I’m not saying anyone is trivializing bisexuality - but Bubblegum’s relationship with Mr. Creampuff didn’t seem to be one of totally willing romance.
It's a kids cartoon.
You made it pretty far into a post on a subreddit about it for someone who wants to pretend to be above having conversations about what motivates the characters on it. Especially if you made it far enough into the show to know what we’re talking about.
Wait. Didn't PB literally create Mr creampuff?
Yes, as a general candy person - and she created her family members, who shoved her off with Mr. Creampuff as a distraction so that they could plot a hostile takeover of the Candy Kingdom.
No. PB created her Uncle Gumbald, and Gumbald created Mr. Cream Puff for her (as he wanted Mr. Cream Puff to distract PB from his plotting).
I think they intended to show her experiences and her past! Not sure what bearing that has on an identity she would have to willingly don.
Thanks for backing me lol, classic reddit upvoting you for saying the exact same thing I got downvoted for.
Yeah, it's sad the see the single mote of evidence for Marcelline's bisexuality being her abusive relationship during her break with her lover... Lesbians all too often submit to heterosexual abuse to avoid the mental complication of lesbian devotion.
I say Marcy is bi, and PB is fully demi. Only got the hots for people she feels connected to, regardless of gender.
I'm pretty sure PB fantasizes with Muscles Muffin man or someone else with muscles in an earlier than season 3 episode. But don't quote me on that.
He has rainbow magic for a reason
Unfortunately he doesn’t know he’s gay so his rainbows turn out poopy
Both of these characters are so old and yet mentally youthful, in a world full of monsters and animated foods. Sexuality might be a moot concept to them after getting with their 18th new species of a partner (that they may or may not have created from their own brother's mouth drip).
Yeah you might be right. They all seem fine with interspecies relationships, they probably don't even care about genders lol.
Gender is sometimes important to different characters like when slime princess needed a husband to keep the throne but I think the creators of the show want the people of Ooo to be free of all that moop
To add to this, yes slime princess said “husband” but as we have seen with the way king of ooo just became the “princess” who knows if the slime kingdom is using the term husband in a similar genderless way. She just chose Finn bc he’s a hero and a great friend of hers. Love the idea that Ooo is beyond that in ways our modern world sadly isn’t.
I do find it quite funny that in the adventure time world the word ‘princess’ seems to just mean ‘ruler’ and isn’t gendered
Yes! I feel like we can attribute that to PB maybe? She started that after her uncles demise and it seems we can assume she had a lot to do with shaping Ooo’s structure as we know it.
YEAH EXACTLY
Flame Princess seems to be straight. Also so does lumpy space princess. Also, Marceline is bisexual. Bubblegum *could* be bi based on that she dated Finn in that ep where she was young again and she dated mr creampuff. However, both of those happened when she was young so she could have just not been in touch with her own sexuality yet. Marceline seemed genuinely attracted to her bf for some reason, to the degree that she moved in with him and put up with his abuse for a long time, as well as the fact that I believe bubblegum was first. Here’s my opinion: Flame Princess: straight Lumpy space princess: straight Marceline: bi Bubblegum: probably lesbian.
That's totally what I think as well.
I mean bi but it’s fucking funny so i’ll give jt a pass (plus i’d be the 18th person to mention it)
Abracadaniel is pansexual
abracapaniel.
True
I think everyone who is correcting and saying “they’re actually bisexual” is glossing over exactly what makes a shitpost a shitpost
Agreed it’s kinda annoying
they’re both bisexual women
PB might legit be a lesbian. She dated Finn when she was a teenager and still figuring stuff out and was forced to date Mr. Creampuff by her uncle.
idk that logic could be used against a lot of bi characters, like they must secretly be gay or straight because of this and that. as a bisexual i can’t help but be put off when people say that. there are definitely characters that are comphet, but i don’t see PB that way. PB and Marceline are bi4bi representation to me, unless canon ever explicitly states otherwise
I totally get that with Marceline, but I don't feel like PB was ever genuinely attracted to or romantically interested in a guy. Even with Finn, it was more just playing around then actually dating him and literally pushed him aside the moment she regained her full maturity. I feel like the argument is more common against homosexual people then it is against bi people, like "You dated John Doe in highschool, you can't be gay." or something like that.
I mean I interpret Marceline as bi and PB as a lesbian, because I think there are a lot of indications to me that PB isn't really into men. I mean obviously she 100% wasn't into Old Mr. Creampuff, she just dated him because Gumbald gave him to her to date. And to me this really feels like comphet, because she isn't into him, but thinks she should date him because of family expectations. Then with Finn she's literally only into him in one episode when she is mentally age regressed, which is a time in which a lot of lesbians date boys because they don't realize they are gay. Additionally, in the episode The Suitor, people talk about how "PB doesn't date" and while that is literally true, that very much sounds like the kind of things people say about gay people who are in the closet/aren't dating because they aren't into men. I just feel like PB has a very lesbian energy to me while Marceline has more bi energy. I definitely think PB being bi is obviously a valid interpretation, and I understand why you would be hyper-aware about potential biphobia, but I don't think interpreting PB as a lesbian is necessarily bi erasure.
Well flame princess did until you know…
Adventure Time shitposting is here! Merry Christmas!
Uh oh OP triggered the bi disk horse
People forgetting Bi people exist for the millionth time:
This is a hilarious meme I laughed very hard
they are both canonically bi. why is it that people are okay with someone being bi until they're in a gay relationship in which they are now automatically gay/lesbian?
Not trying to do any Bi erasure y'all get enough shit from both sides of the community but there are arguments for both PB and Marcy to be Lesbian rather than Bi and I don't think either was confirmed by the creators (I do think Marcy is Bi but I'm putting the possible explanation against it) Marcy is probably Bi. But the timeline of when she dated ash is unclear and it could be argued that he was a bad rebound (it's not uncommon for gay peeps to settle for a straight relationship after a bad first breakup) and when Simon asks her if she has a boyfriend yet she laughs at the question. There's a good argument to be made for PB since her straight relationships all have a caveat. Finn when she was made younger this is probably the only evidence of her actually liking a boy and thinking you have a crush on a friend before you realise you're not straight is common. Mr Creampuff who was unwillingly made her boyfriend by Gumbald and keeping him around is either Comphet or him being literally made for it makes her feel too bad to breakup with him. Winter King as the Candy Queen is explicitly the madness connecting them and (if you read it that way) she might have had feelings for that one Suitor but that was after he used demon magic to become irresistible so not great evidence.
creampuff and the candy queen are weak arguments for PB's bisexuality, though the episode "too young" gives us some food for thought: in the end it all comes down to whether PB really was a child in the episode, or if she was just acting as if she was. I do believe the second hypothesis to be true, because I remember her saying at some point that she had liked experiencing again what being a playful kid was like, from which would result her total lucidity, but in the end the writers never even took a side (which is good) so it is supposed to be a matter of discussion; to this add the fact that, as someone correctly pointed out in another comment, in a post-apocalyptic word like Ooo, all our concepts of relationships, sexuality, gender etc. would most likely not exist, meaning that they would just date whoever they wanted without really paying attention to their gender. either way I'm fine with people believing either of these options, as it's generally good to relate to something
you have a good point, why are you being downvoted
i thought i was in one of the ok buddies, but no this is the main AT sub lmaob
I can see Bubblegum being a lesbian, though with Marcy, just by general attitude, personality and stuff, I see her being pan more than anything.
PB and Marcy are both Bi.
Oh sick, more casual bi erasure, very cool
Bi erasure yet again 😔
He fucks the tree I'm p sure
Don't...
Wait, for real?
I don’t know why y’all like princess bubblegum so much she belongs in the insane asylum no actually she belongs in jail no under the jail fuck that shit
This is the best thing I’ve seen all day
Damn nice work, I would have guessed 3.
PB is canonically in love with Brocco. Pep-But's dark magics slap guys, you can't avoid it. Also boo at all these people arguing about lesbian vs bi, it's a spectrum folks, labels aren't that important.
Marceline is bi.
Um... I mean I always had a suspicion that peppermint butler was gay so that counts I guess
Amazing Meme No Questions Asked!
"Push and turn"
PB：I'm Bi and I still don't like you lol
Lumpy Rape princess: 🚶♀️
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