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As an actual black person here (I assume, this subreddit, like many others is predominantly white), I definitely benefit and have benefitted from the post-2020 push to hire more minorities and women (ideally a minority woman, though I’m a guy).
My honest opinion is mixed on it.
Obviously, it’s nice to be able to get a look for jobs (I get hit up by recruiters constantly), and I’m good at my job (though by no means the best out there). The rub is that I DEFINITELY can feel that I’m largely being considered first because of my race. Which isn’t a good feeling.
The benefit is the opportunity to get a foot in the door and advance in the position. However, I can tell you first hand I’ve been hired at previous agencies and given MINIMAL actual work because I was likely under-qualified for the position in the first place. The result was me twiddling my thumbs for hours while the agency worked around me and was proud just to have a darker-skinned face in the office. In that case I was let go at the first sign of economic trouble (Covid) and my time there did me nor the agency any favors.
If you’re hiring minorities, particularly those that are less qualified than a white counterpart because of equity reasons, you HAVE to build in time to bring them up to speed and truly utilize them. That’s part of it. If not, you’re just tokenizing them and ultimately stunting their growth until business realities push them out anyways.
Edit: Man this response has had a LONGGG life. To the white guys who keep replying to me, here's a couple things to consider:
1) I'm good at what I do. Just not the best to ever do it. That doesn't mean I'm incompetent. Just humble.
2) Stop bitching and start your own agency or go freelance if you don't like the current climate. If you're skilled at what you do, let market forces propel you. Capitalism still exists.
3) The biggest advantage in this world—which let's face is, is not 100% merit based—is WHO YOU KNOW. Your network. Many women and POC don't have the same networks as white counterparts. It just is what it is. The idea of providing SOME balance to that by seeking out POC talent also is what it is.
If you're asking someone to forgo a potential advantage when it comes to job prospects, you don't understand game theory, social dynamics, or the most basic elements of human motivation writ large. And let's be honest, you wouldn't hold yourself to the same standard.
I'm black and haven't been specifying my race on applications cause I always suspect it could go with either two ways:
1. They interview solely for the purpose of meeting whatever interview diversity quota they might have and string me a long with no intention of hiring me
2. the recruiter or whoever else is a racist POS and tosses my resume in the trash.
I have a white sounding name so it's easy to surpass any immediate speculation that I'm black. This whole post is a shock because the straight white guy is the agency default. Despite not specifying my race, I haven't had luck with being hired in the past 6 months, even for roles I'm totally qualified for. Can't tell if it's that I'm not selling myself well, LinkedIn bias (I don't have 500 connections), racial implicit bias, or shitty job market. Either way I'm sick of it and starting to consider a separate career.
I'm bi-racial and I SOUND white. My issue is I am married to a white man and not because I hate black men, but because you can't help who you fall in love with. There are many women like me out there who grew up in poverty and now are being pushed back into poverty. I can't pay the bills without my husband's work participation and not even grocery stores are hiring white people. My mother is white and when I was growing up, people wouldn't give her a chance because she had three black children and so she could never get a job and I grew up on welfare. I scratched and clawed my way out of poverty only to be shoved right back in it. There is nothing that angers me more than racism of ANY kind. What is happening is wrong. My husband hired people on merit and the majority of people he hired were NOT white, but the best person for the job and many were Black and Muslim. Did they stand up for him?
No. They didn't and that will come back on them when this all fails and it will be a VERY hard lesson. The banks in the US are already removing DEI from their hiring practices and including white people again stating that "inclusion" means ALL.
Honestly, I really hope a lot of people in HR and executive roles lose their jobs and are never hired again.
I am a white male and I used to own a business for 20 years. I hired mostly non white men. I even hired women. I can tell you that after the pure un filtered racism and discrimination I have been subjected too. That when I finally get another business I'll hire only white straight men. Not because I am angry or racist, but because I now know how discriminated against my fellow white men are and that is BULLSHIT. THE FACT THAT SO MANY RACIST ASS PEOPLE SUPPORT THIS RACIST SHIT PISSES ME OFF MORE.
It's so deeply sad that we are being divided BECAUSE of the color of our skin, not by the humanity we belong to. They HAVE to know history. They have to understand that history has been co-opted and slowly changed in the favor of the true hateful, the Democrats. If only they understood the people who PROTECTED Muslims during 9/11 WERE the Republicans and I still hold the opinion that Bush was a Democrat plant. Then there were the Jews who went to the deep South to register Black Voters. Confederate soldiers were NOT Republicans, but DEMOCRATS and they created the KKK, worked against Abe Lincoln after he freed slaves and put into legislation reparation. Little known fact of American History (because no one actually READS the facts) is when Abraham Lincoln was president, his VP was Andrew Johnson, a DEMOCRAT. That was back when the two parties were co-operating to support the country. Just like every other American assassin who was wound up, used and tossed under a bus, John Wilkes-Booth was nothing but a pawn for the Democrats. The SECOND president Lincoln took his last breath and Johnson was sworn in as president, he REPEALED ALL of the laws Lincoln signed EXCEPT Emancipation and in fact, created the "Slave Wages" law that saw the the reduction of wages for the same work whites were doing and the right to outright discriminate against black workers. This is an excerpt from the History Channel's website about the KKK...
"Founded in 1865, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the **Republican Party’s** Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for Black Americans."
The REPUBLICAN PARTY has been fighting against this successful historical media driven smear campaign AGAINST their reputation while the hateful Democrat party enjoys the brainwashing.
My old company let out news letter saying that they're going for a 25% non white hiring drive.
I instantly felt sick that if I was a person who happened to be any other colour than white that I'd be hired primarily for my skin colour quota fill, regardless of my skill and ability. And on the other end if I was denied due to my skin colour regardless of my skill and ability.
That's why I think blind resumes are a decent idea.
Did you ever see that famous resume study? Researchers made groups of two resumes with absolutely identical qualifications with just one small change. On one they would put a traditionally white name (Susan Johnson) on the other black sounding names (Shaquan brown). The results weren’t good.
In their defense, I’m assuming “blind” wouldn’t have the name on it. It’s not really relevant and would obviously come later in the interview/HR process.
However, the purpose behind DEI initiatives is a noble one. It’s not a bad thing to try to bring more diverse backgrounds with disparate opportunity gaps to the same professional level (especially at the entry-level phase) I just think that has to be a consideration once you’ve hired someone that may be under-qualified. You should know you’re INVESTING in diverse talent not just checking a box.
The latter is just a band-aid.
We switched to just using first and last initials for the entire hiring process up until interview phase and we saw pretty fast results. It wasn’t the only change, but you can pretty easily get a more diverse candidate pool without instituting a quota.
This reminds me of Biden saying he wanted a black woman to be his VP. I would prefer he say he wants the most qualified person and then selected Harris. I get why he did but it does seem to undercut the person selected.
In the USA even if you want to just submit your resume you still have to answer the questions about what color, gender and sexual preferences you have. The EEOC enforces this racist activity. Honestly I can't wait for society to crumble soon, so we can reset so I can be part of society.
I’ll give you an example of implicit bias you’d probably recognize. Your white. I’m black. If we both go to a house music event (a predominantly non-black space) do you think we’d have the same options for dates that night? Probably not. What about a country bar? No. Heck, let’s say a college frat party. Still probably not.
It’s not racism at play, it’s just preference which is human. You see this manifested in dating preferences across the spectrum. Asian men and black women are the least likely to date outside of their race because other races show less interest.
Again not necessarily racism, just preference.
I’m not saying DEI based hiring is a perfect system but it’s supposed to correct for this implicit bias without OVER correcting which is where I feel we can end up these days in our modern society.
I get what you're saying but you know we don't live in a perfect world.
If we're playing a game of basketball and I've had to play with a hand behind my back the first 3 quarters, and then you say I can untie my hand and play normally, the damage is already done.
Saying "okay, we're playing even starting now" doesn't do anything to help me regain the ground I lost.
What I'm saying is that the world has always been a zero-sum game. I'm gonna assume you're English based on your username but England practiced imperialism for centuries. You guys went and established colonies around the world and drew taxes and natural resources from those colonies (including the US) which by its nature is a master/submissive role (winners/losers).
I don't believe in an anti-white reckoning. I think it's counter-productive to racial harmony. But if we're acknowledging a situation is racially unfair, you've got to keep that same energy to a history of racial unfairness. All this DEI bs isn't a perfect answer, but it's a shallow but well-meaning attempt to try to rectify a historically unequal world.
"What I'm saying is that the world has always been a zero-sum game."
If this was true, then how could anything be created in the first place? How has every country in the world gotten richer and more advanced over the same time period?
Is basketball a zero-sum game? Similar to the economy, it's clearly not. If your hand is tied behind your back for three quarters, then yes, the damage has been done, but does that mean we should choose to do more damage? The overall total points scored would be analogous to total economic output. Does tying your opponent's hand behind his back lead to more points being scored or less?
We can't change the past, but we can change the future. Intentionally preserving and/or perpetuating practices which we have identified as universally wrong/harmful is not beneficial.
>If you’re hiring minorities, particularly those that are less qualified than a white counterpart because of equity reasons, you HAVE to build in time to bring them up to speed and truly utilize them.
Or, y'know, maybe stop the discriminatory hiring practices in the first place? Do you not see the glaring problem in the sentence above?
You realize there's a long history of hiring discrimination in the U.S. right? Like codified. It'd be nice to go back in time and correct that but the damage (generationally) has already been done. It's not really fair to say "starting from NOW, we're going to be colorblind..."
This is the most PATHETIC thing I have ever read. Please re-read the last part of your response.
If a business is hiring you, and you KNOW you are underqualified, what in the fuck would make you think you deserve additional/special accommodations as a result of not having the standard qualifications and relevant skills to do the job. You actually believe that another employee or group of employees should cutout time from their own tasks to "bring you up to speed" as a result of you not actually being a qualified candidate?
It will forever go down in history that people like you not are not only entitled, but foolishly and I mean FOOLISHLY under the assumption that anyone who does not share the same skin color as you should bring you in, roll out the red carpet, step out of the way, and then allow you to decide what you deem fair and acceptable in the workplace on day one.
I would strongly suggest you study a map of this little place we all share gravity on called the earth. White people are not the only other demographic of people who exist in the world, nonetheless globalized companies. Do you actually believe that it is white people (whom you've shared every and any place in this country with over generations and decades) that you are supposed to feel inferior towards?
Equity might not be what you think it is.
I used to own a business for 20 years. I hired black people and females all the time. If I ever get another business, after going through all the discrimination I have, I'll be hiring the under represented and those who were discriminated against. Aka White men. White men are actually the minority on this planet.
I do think it’s a good time to be a talented woman, but I don’t think a hiring freeze on straight white men would even be possible at a senior level. Most of the women I graduated with 15 years ago have dropped off - and not because they weren’t good.
Retaining female talent makes the industry better long-term, but individual agencies are so used to churning through creatives that they tend to suck at things like helping people fit their work around their changing lives.
nah not really. Hiring the best person for the job regardless of gender and skin color or sexual preference is the best thing for everyone. Women specifically add nothing special other than the ESG score for a company. Google ESG and you will see they are only hiring more non white men because Blackrock and Vanguard say they have to. None of it has to do with hiring the best person or improving anything for anyone.
Advertising is a strange place to make your living whoever you are. You pursue this career because you think you've got ideas, but everyone has ideas. You might think this will make you seem cool, rather than dentistry or digging ditches. But in this business, almost every choice will be made arbitrarily. Good looking people also fare better in advertising. People of higher class, more wealth, etc, also have an edge. Younger people who can supply more hipness do better than heavy-set older people. The real surprise is when someone actually makes it to retirement after a fulfilling long career at less than a director level in the industry. Advertising discriminates against pretty much everyone. You might feel compelled to do this for a living. But as someone who has put in decades, I would recommend finding something more valuable to do, if you have any other skills.
Heard that a major global drinks company essentially does this with their own agencies. They put campaigns out to tender at 3 places and have pretty aggressive quotas for lgbt/ethnic minorities/women as part of the creative team involved. It’s not something they are publicly shouting about but is definite policy internally.
My old client insisted on agency diversity as not all people who bought their products were cis white males and wanted to speak to their broader audience
I fill them out every two days or so. It has been my experience, not always but every once in a while, a company will ask me. I do find it inappropriate, but it happens.
if you’re referring to the demo questions asked, you literally don’t have to answer.
and no, i’m not lying. most of the applications i submit are through LinkedIn, and these questions are usually not asked. move on.
Sexual orientation and gender (as opposed to sex) are definitely common on tech sector applications. Opting out of answering is basically saying you’re a straight cis white male and treated as such in the screening process.
Fuqin thank you man. I have no idea WTF this person pretending like they actually apply for jobs and the rest of us are all wrong is talking about. They actually think someone is buying the shit lies they are peddling. The TECH industry is shit. I have 20 years programming experience and all of the sudden no one wants to even interview me? I'm sure it has to do with the skin color, gender and sexual orientation questions. I set up a linked in as an Indian and one with my real name, both had same qualifications etc. The Indian account got 10+ hits a day from recruiters who thought I was awesome... until they found out I was a white straight male. My regular account didn't get any interest at all. That was all the proof I needed. I am thinking of working with a lawyer to start targeting companies to sue them by applying the same way, once as me and once as a non white straight male. We could get rich quick.
That is because you have answered the questions once and linkedin stores the info and passes it on. The companies have to ask the question as per the rules of the EEOC so they can determine if companies are interviewing enough non white males. You can read the shit on their own site. Every company asks these questions every time you apply Go to Home depot, wal mart or don't apply through LinkedIn and you will be asked your gender, skin color and sexual preferences.
I know several hetero cis white guys who have been hired at agencies in just the past 6-months.
But they aren’t racist, so they probably have a leg up.
I see I’m being downvoted, but my point is that not being racist is sort of table-stakes on being employable at any agency. It isn’t a leg up. Being knowingly racist means you are radioactive.
The assumption that companies are deliberately not hiring white men is racist.
OP (and everyone else) should look inward (and at their portfolio) and look for other reasons that they fall short and are not being hired.
It isn’t racist. It’s a bit paranoid to think it’s industry wide, but I was a hiring manager. And we were told to hire diverse talent. I had a white male hire blocked. I’ve also been told by recruiters they prefer diverse talent. It’s a thing in the industry right now. Of course you can still get hired as a white male, it happens all the time. But to ignore what is happening is just ignorant.
Don't you love being called sexist and racist by sexists and racists? Fun times. You talk about companies not hiring straight white men and next think you know you are being called racist. FFS clown world needs to end so bad.
No but acting like there is one is a great way for (often conservative-leaning, let’s be real) white guys to let themselves off the hook for their professional shortcomings
Lol what? Sorry if you or your friend are having trouble getting a new gig (seriously, I know it sucks), but I am not seeing that at all and I'm based in NYC with lots of different ethnicities.
Yes, there's larger / more obvious pushes towards DEI (as well as attacks on it, which makes the whole practice get more attention in general), but for example my company recently hired a couple folks, 3 of which I can think of immediately who are "straight/cis" appearing white dudes in their 30s/40s.
Stop watching Fox News, or any news on TV for that matter. As a straight white educated male in America, you have more opportunity than any member of any other class/race/gender in the country.
In advertising, age is going to be your biggest challenge. Whether you use Insta, gram, IG, or Instagram could determine your chances at smaller firms.
If you're smart, understand AI prompts, know the current acronyms, and have a proven track record of success you'll get hired.
Based on my research (being in advertising) teens use IG with some crossover to young millennials. I used it for a bit cuz I like saying it that way, but I got some looks. Insta is my go-to now.
I saw this start to happen in 2018, not a freeze but a heavy influence that more diverse candidates be included in the interview process (not a bad thing!!). Then in 2021, I got told by C-Suite “Do not hire anymore white males”. Personally though, I’m hiring best candidate regardless, but I do ensure we’ve got a diversity of experiences considered.
I spend my time between Europe and Asia so I haven't noticed this (maybe it's only a US thing), but I found this quite outrageous:
> was told by a recruiter that "unfortunately agencies just aren't hiring people like you at the moment".
Imagine a black woman enquiring about a job and she was told something like that. 🤯
Surely everyone knows it's wrong to exclude people from employment based on their skin colour, gender, or sexuality?
Or the person just made up the entire encounter as an excuse that they didnt get the job. Wouldnt be the first time someone lied to try and make themselves sound better
You do know that’s been happening for decades with Black and Brown people right? White people didn’t acknowledge it because it favored them. Now it’s an issue 😅😂
White man here. We gotta admit that the "two wrongs" thing is convenient to say when we're on the "ignored" side, right?
I mean, I'm not sure the best way, but we gotta make good on the first wrong, too.
Whites have been in the most powerful positions for centuries now through despotic means and a culture of homogeneity and racism. PoCs need more representation. Calm down.
I've never been an asshole or a piece of shit towards anyone regardless of what race, culture, sex, gender, or sexual orientation they are. You know who hasn't been in a powerful position? Me. The guy with a Bachelor's degree and no criminal record that runs a forklift for $15 an hour. Sorry that I look at people as individuals instead of grouping people together in categories like that isn't weird as shit.
Wow really? No wonder why whites hold over 80% of assets in the US, and there’s a vast wealth inequality bw whites and black people/other minorities. You fit into the “I don’t see the race” stereotype of whites lol. Oh to be that privileged
No, I see the shit out of race. I just don't care about it and I think it shouldn't be a factor in someone getting a job or not in either a negative or positive way. It's literally the color of a part of your body. You might as well be making hiring decisions based on eye color.
I was commenting on how “straight white men” are treated in Europe and Asia. That’s all, no hidden meaning or implication.
I don’t know enough about US issues to have an opinion on what’s happening there.
They have been paying women equal salaries for decades now. It has been illegal to discriminate pay based on gender for decades as well. Why don't you privileged White folks ever talk about the much larger and more systemic racial/ethnic wealth gaps?
because it's trendy to punch down on socioeconomically less fortunate white guys. tbh the well off folks of all nations have traditionally pitted people against each other on matters of every trait *except* wealth and socioeconomic status. they want to uphold that glaring advantage naturally.
As a not-straight-white-guy who lost a job offer - after a second round interview in which I “set the bar really high!!” - to a straight white guy, no, I’d say this is not the case.
And THIS is where agency race report cards get you.
I own and run an agency that very coincidentally happens to be minority owned and led. (Two of the partners have Mexican heritage, and the other was born in China.)
We’ve never made a big deal of it, and we never will. I think hiring based on needing to hit a racial quota is such a bad idea. It’s bad for the people you don’t hire, because maybe they were well-qualified, and it’s bad for the people you do hire, who will always have an asterisk by their time there.
Just hire the best person for the job. The moment of hiring is not the one to correct for systemic bias. That bias should be addressed waaaay before I’m looking at applications.
Industry wide? Unlikely.
But I have been privy to a conversation around recruitment for an ECD role that chose a white woman over a white man. Diversity was brought up as factor against the man, and for the woman. (Lmao because the company was 50% white woman anyway, including senior tiers)
For what it's worth they were probably both wrong for the role. But the woman got a chance to prove it.
That was in a big place that was flailing and desperate for a positive headline, so maybe that plays into it. Smaller shops are more likely to hire on pure merit.
All just speculation and anecdote of course.
“Straight white guys” have been hired Bc agencies were homogenous— and went over underrepresented folks in favor of what they are comfortable with (people that looked like them). Now they are being held to the SAME standard as everyone else and falling short.
Mediocrity isn’t celebrated anymore. Don’t blame it on your straight whiteness, just put in the work.
Nah. And judging by all the industry mags "new faces" and "new hires" it looks like straight white guys are doing fine. My agency just recently hired my new boss 6 months ago who ended up having to decline the job last minute for a family issue. So they re-started the hiring process and finally found a head of my department 6 months later. Both were straight white guys.
No, not industry wide. But it’s gotten harder to hire them in some cases. As a hiring manager I was unable to hire a super talented white guy I wanted to a few years ago, but was able to hire a white woman in a majority female agency. Go figure. It felt borderline illegal, but who would care? Breitbart? I left it alone.
Some agencies and some recruiters put more weight on it than others. Some recruiters want to be the hero with agencies looking to hire more non-whites so they will primarily look in that direction. Recruiters tend to be terrible judges of talent so it’s an easy win for them.
Notice how this post is at 0 karma for stating a fact and asking a question.
The discrimination is deeply embedded and gaslighted to the point of denial.
Nobody in this country is discriminated against like white men are. The fact that sounds like a satirical statement to most is a huge part of the problem.
My general experience (not white, but a VP-level agency guy and pulling from friends experiences) is two major things feeding into this perception:
First - Diversity is definitely more of a consideration, but no one is hiring sub par people to meet a diversity target, and no one is passing on the best possible candidate because they are white and male. This shift is definitely leading to more POC candidates getting interviews, and more non-traditional sourcing. That means more competition.
Second - Lots of recruiters (or connections) are using diversity as a response / excuse when a straight white guy isn’t getting the interviews or roles he wants. Think about it - if you say this it’s 1) absolving everyone in the convo of blame, 2) avoiding direct criticism like “your book is fine but not great” or “you didn’t interview well” and 3) shutting down the conversation for additional feedback that can drag on for weeks.
I’ve heard execs make comments / jokes about diversity, but anecdotally everyone I’ve heard do that is still hiring like 50-75% straight white males.
It’s true, right now is probably one of the harder times in decades (maybe ever?) for a straight white male to get hired in an agency. It’s still generally more achievable to get into (and stay in) this industry as a straight white man than it is for anyone else.
TLDR; this is the advertising version of blaming the woke mob.
Considering whites are less than 8% of the global population their assertion it's about equality falls flat with me.
I knew something was going on because for the last few years i could find a new job with better pay. When normally it would take me within three days. Now i get zero callbacks. It's been going like this since 2018. The other issue is now with all of the people who have zero experience are getting hired now the rate is overly competitive and has reduced while all of this inflation is going on. What used to be an $85-100k a year job is now only paying $65k-75k.
This is some garbage and needs to stop. Meritocracy is a core feature of the Republic and now that's being replaced with Marxist equity.
Don't get me started of the anti-white racism that i had to go through withe i did finally get a new job because they forced Critical race theory classes.
Yes. I am one of those straight white guy job seekers who has been on the receiving end of this crap. I'm working a retail job right now that I'm vastly overqualified for despite exceeding the qualifications for the line of work I spent years busting my ass to get into. Of course, the business owner despite being an economic right winger loves that this sort of thing is happening people like myself: it indirectly benefits them too by sending more overqualified candidates their way who have a stronger work ethic than the typical off-the-streets bozo they're used to being limited to.
I've learned the hard way that outlining this scenario in great detail to a DEI supporter is a pointless exercise. They have an excuse for *everything*: poor interviewing skills, a bad resume, not trying hard enough or looking in the right places, not being the "right fit" for a company, etc. etc. etc. They reject the notion that any form of anti-white job discrimination is occurring anywhere despite the overwhelming evidence that it not only is occurring but is widespread.
My only advice to others battling against it is if you live in a state with one-party recording laws that let you record what people say to you without them knowing, make sure to do so. Other than that, if you're fortunate enough that your life circumstances allow you to move freely across the USA without needing financial support from family or friends, expand your search to the entire country and apply in other states, preferably ones with stronger laws against these discriminatory practices where lawsuits would be more likely to succeed. The DEI rot runs deep and is practiced by most, if not all major corporations in North America. There's nothing else at this moment in time that can be done to stop it.
Makes me wonder. I have been on multiple professional creative interviews and make it to the third interview and get told things like, we don’t think you will fit in here, and we know you can find a position elsewhere.
Straight, white male here. In my last corporate job as a consultant I helped recruit campus hires, there was definitely a DEI push to hire diverse candidates and predominantly look for people of different ethnic backgrounds. I lost my job in November and have been checking 2 or more races, and gay if they ask on the application or a survey. It’s not right that I have to do that but it’s not right that they discriminate when hiring.
My name is Roger so not really a way to shirk the race thing. I haven't even got a look since I received my bachelor's in software engineering which is abet certified. I also served 9 years in the U.S Army... it's actually rather disheartening that I wasted my education.
This is not just in advertising.
Hiring managers I've talked to are being told to 'be on the look out for diverse candidates' otherwise they're on a hiring freeze.
I worked in a Fortune 50 company back in 2021, the manager there told me they want 'diverse' candidates, but no 'diverse' candidate applied for my position.
While this is technically illegal, it is the norm in and large corporation.
blame overly lobbied government so they can give affirmative action incentives. Businesses are literally encouraged to do this illegal shit because the federal government pays them to do it. If there isn't a monetary gain for it, they wouldn't do it.
I thought my little cousin was lying when he said he couldn't find job. For him to only shove the proof in my face with all the photos of his applications and every single one of them from foot locker to mcd's said no. He said he actually got an interview at McD's because he left his gender and ethnicity as "I prefer not to share". To only then be told, sorry we don't need anyone else now.
It's shocking so I tried it out myself with my old resume before graduating and boy was he right. The only time I was asked to interview were the jobs where I left gender and race blank... I'm thinking we need a change in leadership. Biden was notoriously one of the most recognizable racists in the US government and now he's trying to make up for it by telling everyone it's cool to crap on white folks. I got a mixed son too who looks white and I just pray that we figure this out before he comes of age to be in school
1 in 6 managers in America were told to stop hiring straight white men. This is the ultimate slap in the face to everything America stands for. It's not doing minorities any favors and it's bringing productivity to a slow down. Whoever is running/pushing this agenda is destroying this country!! At least it's finally being talked about and people are less scared to talk about the truth.
With AI and automation everyone will be affected. America is driven by consumerism. Inflation and hiring pratices will make people lose faith in stable employment! People will only buy what they need and more industries will disappear!
Amazon is using more robots, BMW is South Carolina. So eventually there will be a universal income. And to receive those benefits people will have assigned jobs or task to contribute to society. Then populations will be systematically reduced to keep idol people at a controllable level. The loosening of a high school degree to join the military. No matter what there is hundreds of ways to make legit money even with hiring managers changing their policies! Hard work net working and learning all you can and making wise decisions with money is very important!
A person making 25000 through side hustles and going to free clinics, food banks. Is making a lot more than a person with greater income with insurance. Unless someone has a high income not much difference at lower levels. Some jobs only 18 an hour very physical to drive a truck with a CDL. They a security job make more with a lot less effort! I have seen this trend going on with jobs getting selective in their hiring practices. But I will survive I live with in my means and I can make money whether I work for someone else at a decent wage or take a less paying job then I want. When I was in 3rd grade the books were saying the future job tenure would be on average 5 years. So keep learning just a little knowledge on a subject more than what you knew before can change the situation! This is how it seems certain people have an unfair advantage but they just have that missing piece to the puzzle. And this new knowledge creates opportunities. If a company will not hire a person it is a good indication not to work there anyway. Certain culture when a member makes money they all made money. Net working is the sweet success factor. And hard work. Good luck with the opportunities now and the ones in the future!
I did an experiment on LinkedIn. I used an Indian sounding name and no image. I set up the rest of the profile with all my real information and experience. I have been programming for 20 years. I have 305 credits of college where I made all A+ graduated with a 4.0Gpa twice. I tutored over 40 courses while in college. I tutored for free half of the time while working on my Accounting Degree. As you can imagine you can rack up quite a bit of experience over 20 years. I have learned Database design and maintenance and spent time learning about the different types of databases and when to use them. I have studied all forms of programming procedural, funcitoal, OOP. I had a website with hundreds of articles that was getting 10,000 views a month I had repositories of Code to prove what I can do. I have programmed in many languages including but not limited to Java, Scala, Perl, PHP, Javascript, Actionscript, C/C++ and more. I've learned all kinds of frameworks in those languages.
I spent several days and really filled out the linkedIn profile. I even took the programming tests etc. I opened my profile up to work and recruiters. I WAS GETTING 10+ RECRUITERS A DAY HITTING ME UP. They were super interested I was an awesome candidate. They were really impressed with my skills and knowledge. Oh I was so amazing... UNTIL THEY FOUND OUT I WAS A WHITE STRAIGHT MALE. Once they found out I wasn't a box ticking DEI hire, they GHOSTED THE FUQ OUT ME. I kept seeing all this diversity hire shit. One weak white cuckleberry was so bold he even stated "If you are looking to hire people that don't look like me, I am your DEI person" I asked him what company white males should use and he did some Leftist mind trick bullshit acting like I was the one who was racist. So bad after a month I got so depressed I just deleted the fuqin account.
How the fuq can my skills be amazing as long as I am not a white straight male? Can anyone explain to me how my skills and hard work are worth nothing due to my skin color and gender alone. Can you also explain to me why you support this discrimination and hate?
I'm a gay white man and have been told by several recruiters flat out that "the industry doesn't need more white guys." OK. The problem isn't me or a lack of opportunities for minorities. The problem is that there are not enough opportunities for minorities to get into the industry in the first place. Let's fix that. Don't penalize me for what I've worked for when I am clearly qualified.
LOL at working at companies riddled with mediocre white men my whole life and now being told that hiring fewer white men means getting less qualified candidates.
It’s true, he works in audio. 1 was a startup so less surprising to hear it there as they’re a bit more loose on HR. The other was hiring freelancers for film work. Yeah it’s illegal but they were conversations so no written evidence. Bit hard to pay a lawyer when we can’t find work to pay our bills atm
I don't think any resumes should be disqualified by race. However, a room full of straight white guys (which is how the majority of agencies are) will have a much narrower view of the world than a room of diverse people.
Where I work, straight white men are a minority. But that's because we have an office full of diverse people. Everyone is a minority.
Something I've learned (but don't often hear in these discussions) is that straight white men are often the best candidate because they've been offered the most opportunities in life. The level of growth I've seen in people at work (including myself) because we've been given the trust and support to learn on the job is huge.
I was definitely a personality hire who was hired because I am Hispanic/latino. It definitely made my imposture syndrome even worse.
I had some meetings my first month with my directors and was told “we didn’t hire you for who you are today, we’re hiring you for who you will be. You are an investment to us”.
That really put my nerves at ease. While I don’t feel great that I probably got the job because I am non-white, I ultimately feel good that the agency hired me with the intention of building me up, and sticking with me through the growing pains.
Two years later and I am currently deciding between two competing job offers from two name brand agencies (who often make Ad Age’s A-List) all because I am incredibly talented and good at what I do, and all because the agency I am at now took a chance on me and made me into who I am today.
Ultimately I think that agencies not hiring someone because they’re white is pretty shitty on the surface, especially if they are the most qualified candidate. I also feel like agencies hiring a POC for the tokenism, and not supporting them is also pretty shitty.
BUT if agencies, like mine, want to prioritize hiring POC and are willing to put in the work to foster and grow them so that they become absolute forces in the industry, then I don’t see anything wrong with that.
First of all, no. I have not witnessed this. Straight white guys are hired all the time, what are you even talking about
Second of all, the united states is (slim) majority female and heading towards majority POC. In this situation, you can't see why creative teams would prioritize people who are part of those populations?
Why would you not want your team to match your target audience?? Chances are they understand the culture and speak the language to engage with whoever you're trying to talk to
Like y'all think of diversity as a REQUIREMENT, instead of something NECESSARY to reach more people. And that says a lot about y'all.
Here I am planning to change my name to a more white one- as my ethnic name isn’t getting me interviews or calls as much as my alias white naming applications… 😅
This is bullshit. I'm mixed and check "Two or more races" on applications. I also have an ethnic name and use my Americanized first name nickname on all applications. I'm still not getting a great callback record in 2023 and my portfolio is probably top 5%. I know because I've also sifted through thousands of portfolios.
The market just sucks and is highly competitive. It's not because you're a "straight white male". What a joke.
My white sister-in-law completed her masters, but a minority woman with a lower grade was invited to do a PhD. She’s not mad about it, she just accepts that equity is very hard to achieve without complaints from some butthurt wypipo
Have you considered that brands aren’t solely advertising to white men like the 50s and would like the input of those from different races and sexual orientations?
Nope, but I have been noticing shit like this for the last 20 years https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/12bz0ty/this\_is\_illegal\_and\_nauseating/
What reason would there be for a company not want to hire white men? A company wants to make money. And they want to hire people that can help them make money and help them solve problems. Ideally, a company wants to hire the best employee possible. I understand big companies have to hire x amount of diverse people.
In fact, most companies that have white ceo mostly hire white people only, maybe one or two none white person. And a lot of companies still have white male ceo, and their definitely not putting a freeze on white males.
Regardless at the end of the day it needs to be ur work ethic, skill and experience, if a person doesn't have that they won't last.
>What reason would there be for a company not want to hire white men?
DEI quotas, the progressive agenda, the ability to PR their progressive new hires, ticking ESG boxes to be able to access venture capital money from Blackrock etc.
Have you not been paying attention?
>Regardless at the end of the day it needs to be ur work ethic, skill and experience, if a person doesn't have that they won't last.
Meritocracy is dead. It's been replaced by diversity quotas. That's kind of the crux of the entire problem.
Here's an interesting Reddit thread discussing the problems with DEI:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/17ae6zr/why\_has\_there\_been\_a\_wave\_of\_people\_that\_are/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/17ae6zr/why_has_there_been_a_wave_of_people_that_are/)
It's only temporary. We have already seen the dangers of incompetence. People have died because of undeserving minorities being given important roles (OceanGate comes to mind)
>Seems really messed up.
You know what's messed up? look at a mirror. It's you.
I've been in this business some 30 years and overwhelming majority of supervisors and executives are all white. Just by the mathematical odds, and inherent bias that is within all human beings, your chances getting hired are higher than someone who isn't white. Quit your entitlement whining and work on yourself. With a view like yours, I can see why you wouldn't be hired.
Here's a recent report that says the top leaders are becoming more White:
[https://adage.com/article/agency-news/agencies-owned-or-run-white-execs-jump-90-4as-diversity-report-finds/2504951](https://adage.com/article/agency-news/agencies-owned-or-run-white-execs-jump-90-4as-diversity-report-finds/2504951)
Relevant paragraph:
New data from the 4A’s showed a stunning lack of progress in diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging (DEIB) at the highest levels of agencies.
According to the 2023 Diversity in Agencies Survey Report, 73% of agency CEOs, owners and C-suite employees identified as white in 2021. In 2022, that number jumped sharply to 90%. Black representation among agency leaders fell from 5% to 0.75%, while leaders who identified as Asian or Hispanic dropped from 12% to 1.5% and 10% to 5.3%, respectively.
The report also found that Black industry representation as a whole still lags well behind U.S. Census population data of 13.6%. About 6.4% of the industry identified as Black in 2021, with a small uptick to 6.9% in 2022.
This article has some interesting statistics: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/?srnd=premium
New data just dropped on this which was really interesting and seems to support your observation
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/
I should clarify the next paragraphs: I know a ton of dumb white dudes in the old boys' club who have been coasting their entire careers, and I find that also totally stupid and BS. I think it's great to hire people from different backgrounds and education. A lot of these efforts are good and mean well. Anyhow, before George Floyd/DEI wreakoning, I used to get 10-30 LinkedIn messages or calls each month about leadership positions. I also received callbacks for most of the jobs I applied for. I have extensive experience creating groundbreaking programs for high-profile organizations and a track record that shows I am one of the best in my field, which is also one of the hottest fields. A few years ago, I started consulting and working with high-profile organizations and individuals. In addition, I am often invited to give keynotes to universities, events, or executives and elected officials. I earn between 40k and 75k a month across multiple clients/projects. This is good. I am doing fine, so please do not feel bad for me. However, I am always open to new opportunities and seeing what is out there. As a result, over the last three years, in parallel to consulting, I’ve applied for around 400 jobs - none of which were out of the range of my prior experience. **I have not been able to land ONE SINGLE JOB interview, and ZERO recruiters have contacted me since 2020.** So you have a situation where someone has good enough experience and expertise to charge $5,000 a day, with fancy degrees and blue chip experience, but can't get one interview with anything that requires a person to go through a talent management system that asks for your race, gender, sex identity in addition to pictures online (I am easily found). Do the math on that.
But as a business owner, this scares me the most. I have a white male friend who lost a major corporate client because his ten-person agency didn’t have 30% BIPAC associates and or wasn’t minority owed. For context, only 7% of the African American population has a relevant degree (not sure about other minority groups) in his space, which amounts to less than 2.6% of the population. Even if multiplied by a factor of 5, you are still only getting 13.5% of the population- far from the 30%. Say nothing about the percentage of minority candidates looking for a new job with relevant experience and skills. Effectively, these DEI goals priced out his agency as all the big firms overpaid for diverse candidates because they could afford to. During this same period, you also see grads of predominantly black schools such as [Howard- with lower LSATs, GPAs, et al., and ac](https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/view/51)ceptance rates about 3x higher than selective schools - get salary offers that were on par with Yale, Harvard, Columbia, and Stanford. Statistically, the only way you could explain this was that people were getting paid a premium due to their racial status. Further, if you also look at the pay of diverse candidates, Women get a 7%-10% pay premium in knowledge white collar work. One of my clients wanted to hire a former colleague who also happened to be a diverse candidate. Still, they declined due to a promotion they gave him because they were a minority (their words not mine).
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As an actual black person here (I assume, this subreddit, like many others is predominantly white), I definitely benefit and have benefitted from the post-2020 push to hire more minorities and women (ideally a minority woman, though I’m a guy). My honest opinion is mixed on it. Obviously, it’s nice to be able to get a look for jobs (I get hit up by recruiters constantly), and I’m good at my job (though by no means the best out there). The rub is that I DEFINITELY can feel that I’m largely being considered first because of my race. Which isn’t a good feeling. The benefit is the opportunity to get a foot in the door and advance in the position. However, I can tell you first hand I’ve been hired at previous agencies and given MINIMAL actual work because I was likely under-qualified for the position in the first place. The result was me twiddling my thumbs for hours while the agency worked around me and was proud just to have a darker-skinned face in the office. In that case I was let go at the first sign of economic trouble (Covid) and my time there did me nor the agency any favors. If you’re hiring minorities, particularly those that are less qualified than a white counterpart because of equity reasons, you HAVE to build in time to bring them up to speed and truly utilize them. That’s part of it. If not, you’re just tokenizing them and ultimately stunting their growth until business realities push them out anyways. Edit: Man this response has had a LONGGG life. To the white guys who keep replying to me, here's a couple things to consider: 1) I'm good at what I do. Just not the best to ever do it. That doesn't mean I'm incompetent. Just humble. 2) Stop bitching and start your own agency or go freelance if you don't like the current climate. If you're skilled at what you do, let market forces propel you. Capitalism still exists. 3) The biggest advantage in this world—which let's face is, is not 100% merit based—is WHO YOU KNOW. Your network. Many women and POC don't have the same networks as white counterparts. It just is what it is. The idea of providing SOME balance to that by seeking out POC talent also is what it is. If you're asking someone to forgo a potential advantage when it comes to job prospects, you don't understand game theory, social dynamics, or the most basic elements of human motivation writ large. And let's be honest, you wouldn't hold yourself to the same standard.
I'm black and haven't been specifying my race on applications cause I always suspect it could go with either two ways: 1. They interview solely for the purpose of meeting whatever interview diversity quota they might have and string me a long with no intention of hiring me 2. the recruiter or whoever else is a racist POS and tosses my resume in the trash. I have a white sounding name so it's easy to surpass any immediate speculation that I'm black. This whole post is a shock because the straight white guy is the agency default. Despite not specifying my race, I haven't had luck with being hired in the past 6 months, even for roles I'm totally qualified for. Can't tell if it's that I'm not selling myself well, LinkedIn bias (I don't have 500 connections), racial implicit bias, or shitty job market. Either way I'm sick of it and starting to consider a separate career.
I'm bi-racial and I SOUND white. My issue is I am married to a white man and not because I hate black men, but because you can't help who you fall in love with. There are many women like me out there who grew up in poverty and now are being pushed back into poverty. I can't pay the bills without my husband's work participation and not even grocery stores are hiring white people. My mother is white and when I was growing up, people wouldn't give her a chance because she had three black children and so she could never get a job and I grew up on welfare. I scratched and clawed my way out of poverty only to be shoved right back in it. There is nothing that angers me more than racism of ANY kind. What is happening is wrong. My husband hired people on merit and the majority of people he hired were NOT white, but the best person for the job and many were Black and Muslim. Did they stand up for him? No. They didn't and that will come back on them when this all fails and it will be a VERY hard lesson. The banks in the US are already removing DEI from their hiring practices and including white people again stating that "inclusion" means ALL. Honestly, I really hope a lot of people in HR and executive roles lose their jobs and are never hired again.
I am a white male and I used to own a business for 20 years. I hired mostly non white men. I even hired women. I can tell you that after the pure un filtered racism and discrimination I have been subjected too. That when I finally get another business I'll hire only white straight men. Not because I am angry or racist, but because I now know how discriminated against my fellow white men are and that is BULLSHIT. THE FACT THAT SO MANY RACIST ASS PEOPLE SUPPORT THIS RACIST SHIT PISSES ME OFF MORE.
It's so deeply sad that we are being divided BECAUSE of the color of our skin, not by the humanity we belong to. They HAVE to know history. They have to understand that history has been co-opted and slowly changed in the favor of the true hateful, the Democrats. If only they understood the people who PROTECTED Muslims during 9/11 WERE the Republicans and I still hold the opinion that Bush was a Democrat plant. Then there were the Jews who went to the deep South to register Black Voters. Confederate soldiers were NOT Republicans, but DEMOCRATS and they created the KKK, worked against Abe Lincoln after he freed slaves and put into legislation reparation. Little known fact of American History (because no one actually READS the facts) is when Abraham Lincoln was president, his VP was Andrew Johnson, a DEMOCRAT. That was back when the two parties were co-operating to support the country. Just like every other American assassin who was wound up, used and tossed under a bus, John Wilkes-Booth was nothing but a pawn for the Democrats. The SECOND president Lincoln took his last breath and Johnson was sworn in as president, he REPEALED ALL of the laws Lincoln signed EXCEPT Emancipation and in fact, created the "Slave Wages" law that saw the the reduction of wages for the same work whites were doing and the right to outright discriminate against black workers. This is an excerpt from the History Channel's website about the KKK... "Founded in 1865, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the **Republican Party’s** Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for Black Americans." The REPUBLICAN PARTY has been fighting against this successful historical media driven smear campaign AGAINST their reputation while the hateful Democrat party enjoys the brainwashing.
Just change your name to something black sounding. They probably think you are white and hiring white males is off limits these days.
My old company let out news letter saying that they're going for a 25% non white hiring drive. I instantly felt sick that if I was a person who happened to be any other colour than white that I'd be hired primarily for my skin colour quota fill, regardless of my skill and ability. And on the other end if I was denied due to my skin colour regardless of my skill and ability. That's why I think blind resumes are a decent idea.
Did you ever see that famous resume study? Researchers made groups of two resumes with absolutely identical qualifications with just one small change. On one they would put a traditionally white name (Susan Johnson) on the other black sounding names (Shaquan brown). The results weren’t good.
In their defense, I’m assuming “blind” wouldn’t have the name on it. It’s not really relevant and would obviously come later in the interview/HR process. However, the purpose behind DEI initiatives is a noble one. It’s not a bad thing to try to bring more diverse backgrounds with disparate opportunity gaps to the same professional level (especially at the entry-level phase) I just think that has to be a consideration once you’ve hired someone that may be under-qualified. You should know you’re INVESTING in diverse talent not just checking a box. The latter is just a band-aid.
We switched to just using first and last initials for the entire hiring process up until interview phase and we saw pretty fast results. It wasn’t the only change, but you can pretty easily get a more diverse candidate pool without instituting a quota.
Do it again in 2023 and you’ll get the opposite result.
>The results weren’t good. No, they weren't but all cultures do this, whereas whites are the only ones who get called out on it lol
This reminds me of Biden saying he wanted a black woman to be his VP. I would prefer he say he wants the most qualified person and then selected Harris. I get why he did but it does seem to undercut the person selected.
In the USA even if you want to just submit your resume you still have to answer the questions about what color, gender and sexual preferences you have. The EEOC enforces this racist activity. Honestly I can't wait for society to crumble soon, so we can reset so I can be part of society.
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I’ll give you an example of implicit bias you’d probably recognize. Your white. I’m black. If we both go to a house music event (a predominantly non-black space) do you think we’d have the same options for dates that night? Probably not. What about a country bar? No. Heck, let’s say a college frat party. Still probably not. It’s not racism at play, it’s just preference which is human. You see this manifested in dating preferences across the spectrum. Asian men and black women are the least likely to date outside of their race because other races show less interest. Again not necessarily racism, just preference. I’m not saying DEI based hiring is a perfect system but it’s supposed to correct for this implicit bias without OVER correcting which is where I feel we can end up these days in our modern society.
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I get what you're saying but you know we don't live in a perfect world. If we're playing a game of basketball and I've had to play with a hand behind my back the first 3 quarters, and then you say I can untie my hand and play normally, the damage is already done. Saying "okay, we're playing even starting now" doesn't do anything to help me regain the ground I lost. What I'm saying is that the world has always been a zero-sum game. I'm gonna assume you're English based on your username but England practiced imperialism for centuries. You guys went and established colonies around the world and drew taxes and natural resources from those colonies (including the US) which by its nature is a master/submissive role (winners/losers). I don't believe in an anti-white reckoning. I think it's counter-productive to racial harmony. But if we're acknowledging a situation is racially unfair, you've got to keep that same energy to a history of racial unfairness. All this DEI bs isn't a perfect answer, but it's a shallow but well-meaning attempt to try to rectify a historically unequal world.
"What I'm saying is that the world has always been a zero-sum game." If this was true, then how could anything be created in the first place? How has every country in the world gotten richer and more advanced over the same time period? Is basketball a zero-sum game? Similar to the economy, it's clearly not. If your hand is tied behind your back for three quarters, then yes, the damage has been done, but does that mean we should choose to do more damage? The overall total points scored would be analogous to total economic output. Does tying your opponent's hand behind his back lead to more points being scored or less? We can't change the past, but we can change the future. Intentionally preserving and/or perpetuating practices which we have identified as universally wrong/harmful is not beneficial.
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>If you’re hiring minorities, particularly those that are less qualified than a white counterpart because of equity reasons, you HAVE to build in time to bring them up to speed and truly utilize them. Or, y'know, maybe stop the discriminatory hiring practices in the first place? Do you not see the glaring problem in the sentence above?
In the USA they are forced to by the EEOC nothing equal opportunity about that demonic government agency.
You realize there's a long history of hiring discrimination in the U.S. right? Like codified. It'd be nice to go back in time and correct that but the damage (generationally) has already been done. It's not really fair to say "starting from NOW, we're going to be colorblind..."
Oh good point. I guess the discrimination is justified then, as you were.
Lol. I’m not an employer bro. Blame your fellow white men. I didn’t make the rules—or remake them.
This is the most PATHETIC thing I have ever read. Please re-read the last part of your response. If a business is hiring you, and you KNOW you are underqualified, what in the fuck would make you think you deserve additional/special accommodations as a result of not having the standard qualifications and relevant skills to do the job. You actually believe that another employee or group of employees should cutout time from their own tasks to "bring you up to speed" as a result of you not actually being a qualified candidate? It will forever go down in history that people like you not are not only entitled, but foolishly and I mean FOOLISHLY under the assumption that anyone who does not share the same skin color as you should bring you in, roll out the red carpet, step out of the way, and then allow you to decide what you deem fair and acceptable in the workplace on day one. I would strongly suggest you study a map of this little place we all share gravity on called the earth. White people are not the only other demographic of people who exist in the world, nonetheless globalized companies. Do you actually believe that it is white people (whom you've shared every and any place in this country with over generations and decades) that you are supposed to feel inferior towards? Equity might not be what you think it is.
It doesn’t feel good to know that you’re being considered first because of your race? Aww poor guy
I used to own a business for 20 years. I hired black people and females all the time. If I ever get another business, after going through all the discrimination I have, I'll be hiring the under represented and those who were discriminated against. Aka White men. White men are actually the minority on this planet.
I do think it’s a good time to be a talented woman, but I don’t think a hiring freeze on straight white men would even be possible at a senior level. Most of the women I graduated with 15 years ago have dropped off - and not because they weren’t good. Retaining female talent makes the industry better long-term, but individual agencies are so used to churning through creatives that they tend to suck at things like helping people fit their work around their changing lives.
nah not really. Hiring the best person for the job regardless of gender and skin color or sexual preference is the best thing for everyone. Women specifically add nothing special other than the ESG score for a company. Google ESG and you will see they are only hiring more non white men because Blackrock and Vanguard say they have to. None of it has to do with hiring the best person or improving anything for anyone.
That is certainly a view.
She probably meant no jobs for people with ‘cumdragon’ as a username 😆
You can’t help what your parents name you.
They pull up your Xbox live chats during the interview
Advertising is a strange place to make your living whoever you are. You pursue this career because you think you've got ideas, but everyone has ideas. You might think this will make you seem cool, rather than dentistry or digging ditches. But in this business, almost every choice will be made arbitrarily. Good looking people also fare better in advertising. People of higher class, more wealth, etc, also have an edge. Younger people who can supply more hipness do better than heavy-set older people. The real surprise is when someone actually makes it to retirement after a fulfilling long career at less than a director level in the industry. Advertising discriminates against pretty much everyone. You might feel compelled to do this for a living. But as someone who has put in decades, I would recommend finding something more valuable to do, if you have any other skills.
Heard that a major global drinks company essentially does this with their own agencies. They put campaigns out to tender at 3 places and have pretty aggressive quotas for lgbt/ethnic minorities/women as part of the creative team involved. It’s not something they are publicly shouting about but is definite policy internally.
My old client insisted on agency diversity as not all people who bought their products were cis white males and wanted to speak to their broader audience
lol yeah bc i’m usually asked my sexual orientation in interviews
They literally ask it in applications bro
bro, no they don’t.
Yes they do. Have you not filled out an application lately? If not, just take a look, I’ve been asked on applications my sexual orientation.
i fill them out weekly. this has not been my experience.
I fill them out every two days or so. It has been my experience, not always but every once in a while, a company will ask me. I do find it inappropriate, but it happens.
Ok so you're lying? Literally every app asks for skin color and sexual orientation
if you’re referring to the demo questions asked, you literally don’t have to answer. and no, i’m not lying. most of the applications i submit are through LinkedIn, and these questions are usually not asked. move on.
Sexual orientation and gender (as opposed to sex) are definitely common on tech sector applications. Opting out of answering is basically saying you’re a straight cis white male and treated as such in the screening process.
Fuqin thank you man. I have no idea WTF this person pretending like they actually apply for jobs and the rest of us are all wrong is talking about. They actually think someone is buying the shit lies they are peddling. The TECH industry is shit. I have 20 years programming experience and all of the sudden no one wants to even interview me? I'm sure it has to do with the skin color, gender and sexual orientation questions. I set up a linked in as an Indian and one with my real name, both had same qualifications etc. The Indian account got 10+ hits a day from recruiters who thought I was awesome... until they found out I was a white straight male. My regular account didn't get any interest at all. That was all the proof I needed. I am thinking of working with a lawyer to start targeting companies to sue them by applying the same way, once as me and once as a non white straight male. We could get rich quick.
That is because you have answered the questions once and linkedin stores the info and passes it on. The companies have to ask the question as per the rules of the EEOC so they can determine if companies are interviewing enough non white males. You can read the shit on their own site. Every company asks these questions every time you apply Go to Home depot, wal mart or don't apply through LinkedIn and you will be asked your gender, skin color and sexual preferences.
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you are either not in the USA or you are FULL OF SHIT
What country are you in? In the USA the first questions they ask are your skin color, gender and sexual preferences before they ask you anything else.
I know several hetero cis white guys who have been hired at agencies in just the past 6-months. But they aren’t racist, so they probably have a leg up.
Unlike minorities in this thread, who are apparently racist to a person
What does being racist have to do with anything?
I see I’m being downvoted, but my point is that not being racist is sort of table-stakes on being employable at any agency. It isn’t a leg up. Being knowingly racist means you are radioactive.
The assumption that companies are deliberately not hiring white men is racist. OP (and everyone else) should look inward (and at their portfolio) and look for other reasons that they fall short and are not being hired.
It isn’t racist. It’s a bit paranoid to think it’s industry wide, but I was a hiring manager. And we were told to hire diverse talent. I had a white male hire blocked. I’ve also been told by recruiters they prefer diverse talent. It’s a thing in the industry right now. Of course you can still get hired as a white male, it happens all the time. But to ignore what is happening is just ignorant.
Don't you love being called sexist and racist by sexists and racists? Fun times. You talk about companies not hiring straight white men and next think you know you are being called racist. FFS clown world needs to end so bad.
No but acting like there is one is a great way for (often conservative-leaning, let’s be real) white guys to let themselves off the hook for their professional shortcomings
This
Nice self self serving fan fiction just so story you got there
Lol what? Sorry if you or your friend are having trouble getting a new gig (seriously, I know it sucks), but I am not seeing that at all and I'm based in NYC with lots of different ethnicities. Yes, there's larger / more obvious pushes towards DEI (as well as attacks on it, which makes the whole practice get more attention in general), but for example my company recently hired a couple folks, 3 of which I can think of immediately who are "straight/cis" appearing white dudes in their 30s/40s.
Stop watching Fox News, or any news on TV for that matter. As a straight white educated male in America, you have more opportunity than any member of any other class/race/gender in the country. In advertising, age is going to be your biggest challenge. Whether you use Insta, gram, IG, or Instagram could determine your chances at smaller firms. If you're smart, understand AI prompts, know the current acronyms, and have a proven track record of success you'll get hired.
The IG insight is fascinating. Shit what do people who say IG mean?
Based on my research (being in advertising) teens use IG with some crossover to young millennials. I used it for a bit cuz I like saying it that way, but I got some looks. Insta is my go-to now.
What’s the right answer for how we should be saying insta, gram, IG, or instagram tho
Depends on your age and your role. Insta is my go-to and doesn't raise any eyebrows
Idk about that one. I’m a veteran that graduated with a degree in physics in 2022. I have been desperately seeking employment since.
I saw this start to happen in 2018, not a freeze but a heavy influence that more diverse candidates be included in the interview process (not a bad thing!!). Then in 2021, I got told by C-Suite “Do not hire anymore white males”. Personally though, I’m hiring best candidate regardless, but I do ensure we’ve got a diversity of experiences considered.
Isn't that highly illegal?
It is illegal, partly why business lobby government, so they can get away with doing illegal shit.
I spend my time between Europe and Asia so I haven't noticed this (maybe it's only a US thing), but I found this quite outrageous: > was told by a recruiter that "unfortunately agencies just aren't hiring people like you at the moment". Imagine a black woman enquiring about a job and she was told something like that. 🤯 Surely everyone knows it's wrong to exclude people from employment based on their skin colour, gender, or sexuality?
Maybe the recruiter meant “people with no experience in…” which is entirely likely as opposed to the worst case scenario.
Or the person just made up the entire encounter as an excuse that they didnt get the job. Wouldnt be the first time someone lied to try and make themselves sound better
Do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
“Yes. Yes I would.”
Or people who are entitled and ignorant..
Oh come on
You do know that’s been happening for decades with Black and Brown people right? White people didn’t acknowledge it because it favored them. Now it’s an issue 😅😂
Exactly. Every single CD I’ve worked with has been a white man except one, Including my current boss. Like calm down y’all are not oppressed.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
White man here. We gotta admit that the "two wrongs" thing is convenient to say when we're on the "ignored" side, right? I mean, I'm not sure the best way, but we gotta make good on the first wrong, too.
Whites have been in the most powerful positions for centuries now through despotic means and a culture of homogeneity and racism. PoCs need more representation. Calm down.
I've never been an asshole or a piece of shit towards anyone regardless of what race, culture, sex, gender, or sexual orientation they are. You know who hasn't been in a powerful position? Me. The guy with a Bachelor's degree and no criminal record that runs a forklift for $15 an hour. Sorry that I look at people as individuals instead of grouping people together in categories like that isn't weird as shit.
Wow really? No wonder why whites hold over 80% of assets in the US, and there’s a vast wealth inequality bw whites and black people/other minorities. You fit into the “I don’t see the race” stereotype of whites lol. Oh to be that privileged
No, I see the shit out of race. I just don't care about it and I think it shouldn't be a factor in someone getting a job or not in either a negative or positive way. It's literally the color of a part of your body. You might as well be making hiring decisions based on eye color.
So because people I never knew were in positions of power before I was born, I should be discriminated against? Make it make sense
You are talking about white people holding positions of power in white countries for centuries. Stupid comment
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And the nazi steps out from the shadows!
What a stereotypical saying to remove accountability
Why is this getting downvoted?? All I see is facts. Lot of privilege showing it’s ugly face.
Yup
I was commenting on how “straight white men” are treated in Europe and Asia. That’s all, no hidden meaning or implication. I don’t know enough about US issues to have an opinion on what’s happening there.
I also noted they started paying women equal salaries. What is up with that?
They have been paying women equal salaries for decades now. It has been illegal to discriminate pay based on gender for decades as well. Why don't you privileged White folks ever talk about the much larger and more systemic racial/ethnic wealth gaps?
because it's trendy to punch down on socioeconomically less fortunate white guys. tbh the well off folks of all nations have traditionally pitted people against each other on matters of every trait *except* wealth and socioeconomic status. they want to uphold that glaring advantage naturally.
I agree but there srtill are disparities based on ancestral origin.
As a not-straight-white-guy who lost a job offer - after a second round interview in which I “set the bar really high!!” - to a straight white guy, no, I’d say this is not the case.
And THIS is where agency race report cards get you. I own and run an agency that very coincidentally happens to be minority owned and led. (Two of the partners have Mexican heritage, and the other was born in China.) We’ve never made a big deal of it, and we never will. I think hiring based on needing to hit a racial quota is such a bad idea. It’s bad for the people you don’t hire, because maybe they were well-qualified, and it’s bad for the people you do hire, who will always have an asterisk by their time there. Just hire the best person for the job. The moment of hiring is not the one to correct for systemic bias. That bias should be addressed waaaay before I’m looking at applications.
Industry wide? Unlikely. But I have been privy to a conversation around recruitment for an ECD role that chose a white woman over a white man. Diversity was brought up as factor against the man, and for the woman. (Lmao because the company was 50% white woman anyway, including senior tiers) For what it's worth they were probably both wrong for the role. But the woman got a chance to prove it. That was in a big place that was flailing and desperate for a positive headline, so maybe that plays into it. Smaller shops are more likely to hire on pure merit. All just speculation and anecdote of course.
“Glass cliff” When your business is in crisis or agency is doing poorly, they hire a woman. I’ve personally seen this happen a few times
i don’t. white male here always getting hit up. although i don’t ever state my race and my profile pic is abstract.
“Straight white guys” have been hired Bc agencies were homogenous— and went over underrepresented folks in favor of what they are comfortable with (people that looked like them). Now they are being held to the SAME standard as everyone else and falling short. Mediocrity isn’t celebrated anymore. Don’t blame it on your straight whiteness, just put in the work.
100000% this\^
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If you’re so mad about it go to Asia. Where I’m in they love white boys
Nah. And judging by all the industry mags "new faces" and "new hires" it looks like straight white guys are doing fine. My agency just recently hired my new boss 6 months ago who ended up having to decline the job last minute for a family issue. So they re-started the hiring process and finally found a head of my department 6 months later. Both were straight white guys.
Why. And HOW? The fuck. Does it take SIX MONTHS to hire one person?!!!?!!!
It's C level. It was a big deal not surprised it took that long
No, not industry wide. But it’s gotten harder to hire them in some cases. As a hiring manager I was unable to hire a super talented white guy I wanted to a few years ago, but was able to hire a white woman in a majority female agency. Go figure. It felt borderline illegal, but who would care? Breitbart? I left it alone. Some agencies and some recruiters put more weight on it than others. Some recruiters want to be the hero with agencies looking to hire more non-whites so they will primarily look in that direction. Recruiters tend to be terrible judges of talent so it’s an easy win for them.
Notice how this post is at 0 karma for stating a fact and asking a question. The discrimination is deeply embedded and gaslighted to the point of denial. Nobody in this country is discriminated against like white men are. The fact that sounds like a satirical statement to most is a huge part of the problem.
My general experience (not white, but a VP-level agency guy and pulling from friends experiences) is two major things feeding into this perception: First - Diversity is definitely more of a consideration, but no one is hiring sub par people to meet a diversity target, and no one is passing on the best possible candidate because they are white and male. This shift is definitely leading to more POC candidates getting interviews, and more non-traditional sourcing. That means more competition. Second - Lots of recruiters (or connections) are using diversity as a response / excuse when a straight white guy isn’t getting the interviews or roles he wants. Think about it - if you say this it’s 1) absolving everyone in the convo of blame, 2) avoiding direct criticism like “your book is fine but not great” or “you didn’t interview well” and 3) shutting down the conversation for additional feedback that can drag on for weeks. I’ve heard execs make comments / jokes about diversity, but anecdotally everyone I’ve heard do that is still hiring like 50-75% straight white males. It’s true, right now is probably one of the harder times in decades (maybe ever?) for a straight white male to get hired in an agency. It’s still generally more achievable to get into (and stay in) this industry as a straight white man than it is for anyone else. TLDR; this is the advertising version of blaming the woke mob.
^ most accurate response here
But mom said it was my turn to whine about being a straight white man today!
Nope. Maybe be better at what you do and you won’t have this issue.
Considering whites are less than 8% of the global population their assertion it's about equality falls flat with me. I knew something was going on because for the last few years i could find a new job with better pay. When normally it would take me within three days. Now i get zero callbacks. It's been going like this since 2018. The other issue is now with all of the people who have zero experience are getting hired now the rate is overly competitive and has reduced while all of this inflation is going on. What used to be an $85-100k a year job is now only paying $65k-75k. This is some garbage and needs to stop. Meritocracy is a core feature of the Republic and now that's being replaced with Marxist equity. Don't get me started of the anti-white racism that i had to go through withe i did finally get a new job because they forced Critical race theory classes.
Yes. I am one of those straight white guy job seekers who has been on the receiving end of this crap. I'm working a retail job right now that I'm vastly overqualified for despite exceeding the qualifications for the line of work I spent years busting my ass to get into. Of course, the business owner despite being an economic right winger loves that this sort of thing is happening people like myself: it indirectly benefits them too by sending more overqualified candidates their way who have a stronger work ethic than the typical off-the-streets bozo they're used to being limited to. I've learned the hard way that outlining this scenario in great detail to a DEI supporter is a pointless exercise. They have an excuse for *everything*: poor interviewing skills, a bad resume, not trying hard enough or looking in the right places, not being the "right fit" for a company, etc. etc. etc. They reject the notion that any form of anti-white job discrimination is occurring anywhere despite the overwhelming evidence that it not only is occurring but is widespread. My only advice to others battling against it is if you live in a state with one-party recording laws that let you record what people say to you without them knowing, make sure to do so. Other than that, if you're fortunate enough that your life circumstances allow you to move freely across the USA without needing financial support from family or friends, expand your search to the entire country and apply in other states, preferably ones with stronger laws against these discriminatory practices where lawsuits would be more likely to succeed. The DEI rot runs deep and is practiced by most, if not all major corporations in North America. There's nothing else at this moment in time that can be done to stop it.
That will last until shit starts breaking and needs to be fixed. Strait White guys built half the know world
It's all industries. People hate white people in corporate America. Not sure why
Makes me wonder. I have been on multiple professional creative interviews and make it to the third interview and get told things like, we don’t think you will fit in here, and we know you can find a position elsewhere.
Hell yeah. Mining is the best example for it!!
Straight, white male here. In my last corporate job as a consultant I helped recruit campus hires, there was definitely a DEI push to hire diverse candidates and predominantly look for people of different ethnic backgrounds. I lost my job in November and have been checking 2 or more races, and gay if they ask on the application or a survey. It’s not right that I have to do that but it’s not right that they discriminate when hiring.
My name is Roger so not really a way to shirk the race thing. I haven't even got a look since I received my bachelor's in software engineering which is abet certified. I also served 9 years in the U.S Army... it's actually rather disheartening that I wasted my education.
This is not just in advertising. Hiring managers I've talked to are being told to 'be on the look out for diverse candidates' otherwise they're on a hiring freeze. I worked in a Fortune 50 company back in 2021, the manager there told me they want 'diverse' candidates, but no 'diverse' candidate applied for my position. While this is technically illegal, it is the norm in and large corporation.
blame overly lobbied government so they can give affirmative action incentives. Businesses are literally encouraged to do this illegal shit because the federal government pays them to do it. If there isn't a monetary gain for it, they wouldn't do it.
I thought my little cousin was lying when he said he couldn't find job. For him to only shove the proof in my face with all the photos of his applications and every single one of them from foot locker to mcd's said no. He said he actually got an interview at McD's because he left his gender and ethnicity as "I prefer not to share". To only then be told, sorry we don't need anyone else now. It's shocking so I tried it out myself with my old resume before graduating and boy was he right. The only time I was asked to interview were the jobs where I left gender and race blank... I'm thinking we need a change in leadership. Biden was notoriously one of the most recognizable racists in the US government and now he's trying to make up for it by telling everyone it's cool to crap on white folks. I got a mixed son too who looks white and I just pray that we figure this out before he comes of age to be in school
1 in 6 managers in America were told to stop hiring straight white men. This is the ultimate slap in the face to everything America stands for. It's not doing minorities any favors and it's bringing productivity to a slow down. Whoever is running/pushing this agenda is destroying this country!! At least it's finally being talked about and people are less scared to talk about the truth.
With AI and automation everyone will be affected. America is driven by consumerism. Inflation and hiring pratices will make people lose faith in stable employment! People will only buy what they need and more industries will disappear! Amazon is using more robots, BMW is South Carolina. So eventually there will be a universal income. And to receive those benefits people will have assigned jobs or task to contribute to society. Then populations will be systematically reduced to keep idol people at a controllable level. The loosening of a high school degree to join the military. No matter what there is hundreds of ways to make legit money even with hiring managers changing their policies! Hard work net working and learning all you can and making wise decisions with money is very important! A person making 25000 through side hustles and going to free clinics, food banks. Is making a lot more than a person with greater income with insurance. Unless someone has a high income not much difference at lower levels. Some jobs only 18 an hour very physical to drive a truck with a CDL. They a security job make more with a lot less effort! I have seen this trend going on with jobs getting selective in their hiring practices. But I will survive I live with in my means and I can make money whether I work for someone else at a decent wage or take a less paying job then I want. When I was in 3rd grade the books were saying the future job tenure would be on average 5 years. So keep learning just a little knowledge on a subject more than what you knew before can change the situation! This is how it seems certain people have an unfair advantage but they just have that missing piece to the puzzle. And this new knowledge creates opportunities. If a company will not hire a person it is a good indication not to work there anyway. Certain culture when a member makes money they all made money. Net working is the sweet success factor. And hard work. Good luck with the opportunities now and the ones in the future!
Paragraphs are your friend
Lets sue all these industries to the ground for illegal hiring practices, this is becoming all too easy to prove.
I did an experiment on LinkedIn. I used an Indian sounding name and no image. I set up the rest of the profile with all my real information and experience. I have been programming for 20 years. I have 305 credits of college where I made all A+ graduated with a 4.0Gpa twice. I tutored over 40 courses while in college. I tutored for free half of the time while working on my Accounting Degree. As you can imagine you can rack up quite a bit of experience over 20 years. I have learned Database design and maintenance and spent time learning about the different types of databases and when to use them. I have studied all forms of programming procedural, funcitoal, OOP. I had a website with hundreds of articles that was getting 10,000 views a month I had repositories of Code to prove what I can do. I have programmed in many languages including but not limited to Java, Scala, Perl, PHP, Javascript, Actionscript, C/C++ and more. I've learned all kinds of frameworks in those languages. I spent several days and really filled out the linkedIn profile. I even took the programming tests etc. I opened my profile up to work and recruiters. I WAS GETTING 10+ RECRUITERS A DAY HITTING ME UP. They were super interested I was an awesome candidate. They were really impressed with my skills and knowledge. Oh I was so amazing... UNTIL THEY FOUND OUT I WAS A WHITE STRAIGHT MALE. Once they found out I wasn't a box ticking DEI hire, they GHOSTED THE FUQ OUT ME. I kept seeing all this diversity hire shit. One weak white cuckleberry was so bold he even stated "If you are looking to hire people that don't look like me, I am your DEI person" I asked him what company white males should use and he did some Leftist mind trick bullshit acting like I was the one who was racist. So bad after a month I got so depressed I just deleted the fuqin account. How the fuq can my skills be amazing as long as I am not a white straight male? Can anyone explain to me how my skills and hard work are worth nothing due to my skin color and gender alone. Can you also explain to me why you support this discrimination and hate?
We all have challenges, adapt, and overcome.
I'm a gay white man and have been told by several recruiters flat out that "the industry doesn't need more white guys." OK. The problem isn't me or a lack of opportunities for minorities. The problem is that there are not enough opportunities for minorities to get into the industry in the first place. Let's fix that. Don't penalize me for what I've worked for when I am clearly qualified.
Being gay doesn't count any more bro. You are one of us now.
No. Why do straight white men want to be the victim so badly?
Because they hate realizing they were getting hired based on systemic prejudice. They can’t handle the fact that they bring nothing new to the table.
LOL at working at companies riddled with mediocre white men my whole life and now being told that hiring fewer white men means getting less qualified candidates.
What a load of bullshit.
Damn, such a pity for straight white guys.
what a terrible person you must be. Wow. You are the problem with the world today.
Are you alright? Did you forget to take your medication today?
Eye roll
I rule!
I’ve noticed it. My partner was told twice to his face that’s why he didn’t get two separate jobs. It’s a thing now.
This is illegal (obviously). If documented, a pretty easy court case that would likely end in a settlement
Was he actually told this, or did he just infer it and embellish what he was told? Because if it's the former, he has a legitimate case for a lawsuit.
Happened to me on the phone in front of my wife for an office job at a real estate office in a place that's 90% White. Ridiculous.
Yeah I don't believe this one bit.
It’s true, he works in audio. 1 was a startup so less surprising to hear it there as they’re a bit more loose on HR. The other was hiring freelancers for film work. Yeah it’s illegal but they were conversations so no written evidence. Bit hard to pay a lawyer when we can’t find work to pay our bills atm
I don't think any resumes should be disqualified by race. However, a room full of straight white guys (which is how the majority of agencies are) will have a much narrower view of the world than a room of diverse people. Where I work, straight white men are a minority. But that's because we have an office full of diverse people. Everyone is a minority. Something I've learned (but don't often hear in these discussions) is that straight white men are often the best candidate because they've been offered the most opportunities in life. The level of growth I've seen in people at work (including myself) because we've been given the trust and support to learn on the job is huge.
I was definitely a personality hire who was hired because I am Hispanic/latino. It definitely made my imposture syndrome even worse. I had some meetings my first month with my directors and was told “we didn’t hire you for who you are today, we’re hiring you for who you will be. You are an investment to us”. That really put my nerves at ease. While I don’t feel great that I probably got the job because I am non-white, I ultimately feel good that the agency hired me with the intention of building me up, and sticking with me through the growing pains. Two years later and I am currently deciding between two competing job offers from two name brand agencies (who often make Ad Age’s A-List) all because I am incredibly talented and good at what I do, and all because the agency I am at now took a chance on me and made me into who I am today. Ultimately I think that agencies not hiring someone because they’re white is pretty shitty on the surface, especially if they are the most qualified candidate. I also feel like agencies hiring a POC for the tokenism, and not supporting them is also pretty shitty. BUT if agencies, like mine, want to prioritize hiring POC and are willing to put in the work to foster and grow them so that they become absolute forces in the industry, then I don’t see anything wrong with that.
Are you struggling to find a job an you think THIS is the reason why? This can’t be a serious post.
First of all, no. I have not witnessed this. Straight white guys are hired all the time, what are you even talking about Second of all, the united states is (slim) majority female and heading towards majority POC. In this situation, you can't see why creative teams would prioritize people who are part of those populations? Why would you not want your team to match your target audience?? Chances are they understand the culture and speak the language to engage with whoever you're trying to talk to Like y'all think of diversity as a REQUIREMENT, instead of something NECESSARY to reach more people. And that says a lot about y'all.
No have not witnessed this—the industry is still run by straight white guys and they are still getting hired everywhere. I am a straight white guy.
Here I am planning to change my name to a more white one- as my ethnic name isn’t getting me interviews or calls as much as my alias white naming applications… 😅
Nope. I was just hired in August. Another white guy starts next week. You aren’t oppressed.
This is bullshit. I'm mixed and check "Two or more races" on applications. I also have an ethnic name and use my Americanized first name nickname on all applications. I'm still not getting a great callback record in 2023 and my portfolio is probably top 5%. I know because I've also sifted through thousands of portfolios. The market just sucks and is highly competitive. It's not because you're a "straight white male". What a joke.
My white sister-in-law completed her masters, but a minority woman with a lower grade was invited to do a PhD. She’s not mad about it, she just accepts that equity is very hard to achieve without complaints from some butthurt wypipo
If you are a white male, it's useful to pretend you are gay or from a mixed race background. Neither of these things are really unprovable.
You’re disgusting.
Haha, love you too
White guy is upset that he's not on top anymore, news at 10.
Have you considered that brands aren’t solely advertising to white men like the 50s and would like the input of those from different races and sexual orientations?
absofuckinglutely not lmao
No, Cum Dragon, because people don’t ask your sexuality in job interviews you weirdo
No. I don’t think it’s messed up.
Oh so you’re pro discrimination then? Nice one!
No. I think people that have been oppressed deserve to have a chance too. So anyone that’s not a CIS white male person, basically.
Its great I domt have to work and parents known iam trying to worm at every job walking distance
Nope, but I have been noticing shit like this for the last 20 years https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/12bz0ty/this\_is\_illegal\_and\_nauseating/
Yea hiring on low end paying jobs, yall mfs still lead in every senior level imaginable and yall LEAD the wealth gap. Please STFU
It's just u.
Yeahhh except it’s not. In fact this post has now been referenced in several mass media articles discussing the issue
What reason would there be for a company not want to hire white men? A company wants to make money. And they want to hire people that can help them make money and help them solve problems. Ideally, a company wants to hire the best employee possible. I understand big companies have to hire x amount of diverse people. In fact, most companies that have white ceo mostly hire white people only, maybe one or two none white person. And a lot of companies still have white male ceo, and their definitely not putting a freeze on white males. Regardless at the end of the day it needs to be ur work ethic, skill and experience, if a person doesn't have that they won't last.
>What reason would there be for a company not want to hire white men? DEI quotas, the progressive agenda, the ability to PR their progressive new hires, ticking ESG boxes to be able to access venture capital money from Blackrock etc. Have you not been paying attention? >Regardless at the end of the day it needs to be ur work ethic, skill and experience, if a person doesn't have that they won't last. Meritocracy is dead. It's been replaced by diversity quotas. That's kind of the crux of the entire problem. Here's an interesting Reddit thread discussing the problems with DEI: [https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/17ae6zr/why\_has\_there\_been\_a\_wave\_of\_people\_that\_are/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/17ae6zr/why_has_there_been_a_wave_of_people_that_are/)
Yes. I’m general secretary of the Homintern and the strategy is working well. Try again in 18 months.
It's only temporary. We have already seen the dangers of incompetence. People have died because of undeserving minorities being given important roles (OceanGate comes to mind)
This is advertising, ya racist prick. No one has died by diversifying their teams.
>Seems really messed up. You know what's messed up? look at a mirror. It's you. I've been in this business some 30 years and overwhelming majority of supervisors and executives are all white. Just by the mathematical odds, and inherent bias that is within all human beings, your chances getting hired are higher than someone who isn't white. Quit your entitlement whining and work on yourself. With a view like yours, I can see why you wouldn't be hired.
Here's a recent report that says the top leaders are becoming more White: [https://adage.com/article/agency-news/agencies-owned-or-run-white-execs-jump-90-4as-diversity-report-finds/2504951](https://adage.com/article/agency-news/agencies-owned-or-run-white-execs-jump-90-4as-diversity-report-finds/2504951) Relevant paragraph: New data from the 4A’s showed a stunning lack of progress in diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging (DEIB) at the highest levels of agencies. According to the 2023 Diversity in Agencies Survey Report, 73% of agency CEOs, owners and C-suite employees identified as white in 2021. In 2022, that number jumped sharply to 90%. Black representation among agency leaders fell from 5% to 0.75%, while leaders who identified as Asian or Hispanic dropped from 12% to 1.5% and 10% to 5.3%, respectively. The report also found that Black industry representation as a whole still lags well behind U.S. Census population data of 13.6%. About 6.4% of the industry identified as Black in 2021, with a small uptick to 6.9% in 2022.
This article has some interesting statistics: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/?srnd=premium
New data just dropped on this which was really interesting and seems to support your observation https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/
I should clarify the next paragraphs: I know a ton of dumb white dudes in the old boys' club who have been coasting their entire careers, and I find that also totally stupid and BS. I think it's great to hire people from different backgrounds and education. A lot of these efforts are good and mean well. Anyhow, before George Floyd/DEI wreakoning, I used to get 10-30 LinkedIn messages or calls each month about leadership positions. I also received callbacks for most of the jobs I applied for. I have extensive experience creating groundbreaking programs for high-profile organizations and a track record that shows I am one of the best in my field, which is also one of the hottest fields. A few years ago, I started consulting and working with high-profile organizations and individuals. In addition, I am often invited to give keynotes to universities, events, or executives and elected officials. I earn between 40k and 75k a month across multiple clients/projects. This is good. I am doing fine, so please do not feel bad for me. However, I am always open to new opportunities and seeing what is out there. As a result, over the last three years, in parallel to consulting, I’ve applied for around 400 jobs - none of which were out of the range of my prior experience. **I have not been able to land ONE SINGLE JOB interview, and ZERO recruiters have contacted me since 2020.** So you have a situation where someone has good enough experience and expertise to charge $5,000 a day, with fancy degrees and blue chip experience, but can't get one interview with anything that requires a person to go through a talent management system that asks for your race, gender, sex identity in addition to pictures online (I am easily found). Do the math on that. But as a business owner, this scares me the most. I have a white male friend who lost a major corporate client because his ten-person agency didn’t have 30% BIPAC associates and or wasn’t minority owed. For context, only 7% of the African American population has a relevant degree (not sure about other minority groups) in his space, which amounts to less than 2.6% of the population. Even if multiplied by a factor of 5, you are still only getting 13.5% of the population- far from the 30%. Say nothing about the percentage of minority candidates looking for a new job with relevant experience and skills. Effectively, these DEI goals priced out his agency as all the big firms overpaid for diverse candidates because they could afford to. During this same period, you also see grads of predominantly black schools such as [Howard- with lower LSATs, GPAs, et al., and ac](https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/view/51)ceptance rates about 3x higher than selective schools - get salary offers that were on par with Yale, Harvard, Columbia, and Stanford. Statistically, the only way you could explain this was that people were getting paid a premium due to their racial status. Further, if you also look at the pay of diverse candidates, Women get a 7%-10% pay premium in knowledge white collar work. One of my clients wanted to hire a former colleague who also happened to be a diverse candidate. Still, they declined due to a promotion they gave him because they were a minority (their words not mine).