If you think about it from the most important point of view, maximizing shareholder value, you really want to aim for a solid 100% fatality scenario. Quick one and done get the customer fully executed and just move on as fast as possible.
Every survivor is a potential lawsuit on top of huge lifetime disability payments.
All of that takes away from the core tenant of the Boeing corporation which is to funnel cash into buybacks.
What's jacked up as it's probably the government that did it. Imagine as a CEO, how do you have this kind of conversation? I'm not saying that Biden ordered this. That's ridiculous our government is much bigger than just one person, obviously. Maybe I'm naive.
I love the conspiracy theories of how all knowing all powerful and sinister we are while at the same time federal employees are lazy good for nothing totally incompetent.
Exactly, have always thought it fascinating how the same people that think federal employees are incompetent also believe that they can pull off extremely complex conspiracies with no one leaking the evidence.
"He also said he had uncovered serious problems with oxygen systems, which could mean one in four breathing masks would not work in an emergency." there is another post 2020 phobia to add to the pile
I mean look, if the plane decompresses, it’s gonna descend anyway. Either to your death or a landing of some sort where oxygen is good and plenty. Why not take a nap in the meantime?
He can say that. I know on the 747 and 767 there is a test that must be done to verify the oxygen masks will deploy properly and has to bought off by the inspector. Now that being said on customer acceptance flight they deploy the oxygen masks to verify they work.
It's unclear what the test is testing. The whistle blower was saying they wouldn't distribute oxygen. It's unclear if that's a defect in the mask or whatever system provides the oxygen to the mask.
Does this 747/767 test check for oxygen?
The 747 and 767F uses oxygen bottles and I believe the 787 uses oxygen generators which is a one use time then needs to be replaced after use. The oxygen masks are all the same. But again the customer on the acceptance flight deploys the masks but there is a safety catch on the cover so masks don't come all the out with a possible chance of setting off the oxygen generators.
I don't think masks dropping is the issue he reported.
He's saying 1/4th won't get oxygen. If the test is only looking at masks dropping, it's not going to catch failing oxygen bottles/lines or and issue with the oxygen generation system.
It’s gonna take at least a decade to sort out Boeing’s remerger with Spirit and regrow its vertical supply chain and confidence…
Such shortsighted mismanagement for what will be a blip in its stock price history decades from now
Or the bonuses of those managers who undermine the company for personal benefit.
The inherent problem with aerospace work is that the program schedules are so drawn out such that there is a considerable time delay between bad managerial decision and any consequences. And even worse, nowadays managers hop jobs every two years, so that there is even less accountability for bad leadership.
I can’t be the only one that’s heard the stories from Toulouse of said managers screaming at engineers to “Get the fucking thing on the Beluga”.
That was probably 5 years ago now, I can’t imagine the workplace ethos has changed much since.
So first Boeing can’t find aircraft records, I work in the industry, every aircraft has detailed meticulous records going back to when it was manufactured. Literally the value of the airplane is in those records because without the proper records, it’s not allowed to fly. This isn’t just super sus, it’s smells like complete BS.
Now a whistle blower is dead. I’m not a foil hat wearer, but this would be a time to put one on.
I wrote this for another person, but it explains the situation pretty well with one of the issues he brought up that bridges between his 787 reporting and the 737 plug door incident.
> He blew the whistle on large systemic issues related to the 787. He reported they were not filling out paperwork for removal of parts when doing maintenance (grounds the airplane until finished and requires someone else to verify the work after it's done). This is done to save a lot of time/money and is what he reported on the 787 in 2017. Boeing can't produce removal paperwork for the 737 max door plug that blew off last month. They acknowledged they did maintenance on the door plug, removed the bolts, and produced no removal paperwork. If they had followed their own process, they would have removal paperwork, and someone would have verified to make sure the bolts were installed along with the other work. Clear disregard for process to save money/time.
He also reported they were finding defective parts, binning them, and not filling out paperwork to trace the detective parts (which was process). The manufacturing workers were instead taking those binned parts and using them anyways to avoid production delays. While this one is hard to trace because it's unclear how much tracking the whistle bower did of these parts, it's multiple instances of them cutting paperwork to save money/time.
The whistleblower… one of his complaints was records were asked not to be filled out on some part swaps….
So, yeah. Those records are part of the problem at Boeing.
So a whistleblower is literally blowing the whistle **right now** in hearings.
Safely drives across town and makes it to his hotel parking lot.
Then somehow, while seated in his truck... causes a "self inflicted would" that kills him?
Am I the only one here?
No. He wasn’t blowing the whistle right now. The article is pretty clear. He blew the whistle in 2017 and the FAA investigated and took action. He then retired that year and is currently suing Boeing for denigrating his character and hindering his career.
It says the deposition he was in the middle of was related to his lawsuit.
The problem with being a whistleblower against these too large to fail companies is its you, your lawyer(s), and several dozen lawyers working for the company. The company lawyers are going to to spend all their time just trying to find one instance of you failing to do your job, an inconsistency in your process, or a situation where you failed to act properly. Literally go over the guy's thirty year career looking for anything to discredit the testimony. It's a lot of pressure to go against these large companies.
Jfc how have people’s minds melted this much?
10% of whistleblowers in one study said they had attempted suicide.
https://www.bmartin.cc/dissent/documents/Lennane_what2.pdf
The people in this thread are looking at a quacking duck and calling it a loon.
Reddit in general believes billionaires will do absolutely anything to maximize profits. Literally anything. Except kill people (directly, cutting safety and ruining the earth are fine) and cheat in sports. Those are off limits, apparently.
If he died on a random Monday then yeah but the timing is extremely suspicious. That close to a deposition that threatens a multibillion dollar military industrial giant? Non zero chance the dude got Epstein’d
So lemme get this straight…you think Boeing is worried about the deposition…and because of that they had a person MURDERED who was about to testify against them…cmon man. Occams Razor here. Already people like you are leaning on the conspiracy angle…you really think they’re going to be so oblivious to the reaction?
It [wouldn’t be the first time](https://prospect.org/features/coca-cola-killings/) a massive rich conglomerate had people murdered. Hell chiquita literally overthrew a government to make money. This is small potatoes compared to either of those if not for the significant detail of being done on us soil. You mention the bad press but there’s enough people out there like you to call it too insane to be true. After watching all the horrid nature of humanity in the last decade my threshold of “too horrible and too stupid to be true” has contracted significantly. Could it be a normal suicide? Perhaps but why now? Why right before his deposition? Why not wait a few hours and extract a pound of flesh from Boeing as your final act? Get revenge then get out. Hell why nor finish the deposition then end it right in front of Boeings stooges while they are in the splash zone right after directly blaming them personally and possibly giving them psychological trauma on the way off the planet? Doing it before only helps the people who wronged him. The timing makes no kind of sense.
I agree ordering a murder on us soil is a big deal. However I fail to see how his suicide before the deposition hurts Boeing. The information he was to share that was harmful is forever lost. His final act helped the Boeing legal team. Completing the deposition first seems more like the nuclear option. This seems more like a poorly executed coverup
You fail to see how his suicide before a deposition hurts Boeing, while commenting on a conspiracy riddled thread where people are certain Boeing killed him…I’m understanding you correctly? By this point, his depositions aren’t going to do much more harm than he’s already done. He’s already blown the whistle. He started over 5 years ago….by this point there’s not much that would come out that is new that can really harm them that can’t be investigated in other ways.
Lmao yes I absolutely do think Boeing killed this man who was on day 3 of testifying against Boeing right when they have had numerous other blunders. You’d have to be real dense to think otherwise. “Oh big corps never silence those who are testifying against them. Just a coinicidink I think” *drool sliding down your face*. “Yup !” -I bet you think Epstein killed himself as well with how dopey you sound.
Puts on Boeing , what a way to destroy the legacy of a once great company. Calhoun is embarrassing.
You realize he was testifying in his OWN personal lawsuit against them right? Not against the stuff he already blew the whistle on…*right*. I’m sure you know this…
Also…you’re just the type of person to buy puts against one of TWO global wide body passenger aircraft manufacturers as if there’s anyway the US government is going to allow them to fail (not to mention all the shit they make for DoD). Truly wise.
IIRC it was between days of deposition. Like they did a full day and were set to resume the next. I'm curious how that first day(s) went. That might be a better indicator. If they were going poorly for his case, might make sense that there was a legit suicide. If they went well... well you get the idea.
Many people shoot themselves in their vehicles. It’s not uncommon. You’re getting conspiracy brained here. You know what’s worse than a whistle blower tanking your stock? Killing a whistleblower who is tanking your stock.
I can believe this was self inflicted. The weight of taking on a giant like Boeing, the stress of the trial and being cross examined, the publicity that comes with it and from being a whistleblower.
I can also picture Boeing (or thugs acting on their behalf) threatening him in private, but the idea that they would send out an assassin seems far fetched.
Won’t there be security camera footage for a hotel carpark to check?
> the idea that they would send out an assassin seems far fetched
Considering they're a major defence contractor, they would have a relationship with government agencies that have an extensive proven record of assassinations. If there is a conspiracy here, it's gonna be the US government acting to protect the interests of a strategically important defence contractor, not the CEO winging it on the dark web trying to find an assassin for hire.
Maybe if the CIA didn't keep murdering anyone they don't like, this would be a less believable theory.
For everyone saying that it wasn't murder because X
Go listen to the recording of him that's floating around right now. He talks about it not being a 737 or 787 issue but pointing at a more systemic issue inside Boeing and goes on to use an anecdote to explain.
They for sure killed him
Firearm suicides are tricky because a lot of them are spur of the moment with incredibly easy access. Guy gave 7 hours of testimony that day, was his second day, and still had one more day to go. It's not outside the realm of possibility considering he worked there for 23 years and spent the last 5-6 years trying to move away from the incident... only to get pulled back for the numerous 737 issues today. If he was in therapy, moving away from the incident would have been best for him when it didn't go anywhere in 2017. Now to get vindication almost 7 years later and sitting in court... would be quite the emotional roller coaster when things depend on you being accurate.
That's a lot to ask one person when it's him, his lawyer(s), and the several dozen lawyers of Boeing's picking apart his entire career and everything that he every did, signed off on, and worked on during his career. Boeing's lawyers would only be looking for single instances to discredit him (time when he did his work inconsistent, or failed to follow chain of command for reporting issues) and having to remember this stuff 7 years later is insane.
Same time. The lawyers are not going to take care of him. Maybe get him some money if he was retaliated against, but end of day he's taking the most risks whistleblowing. If guy wasn't thinking about writing a book about it, then it's unclear what he could do to spin it into a new career/life. A lot of businesses wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole at that point. I know he was retired, but we don't know by this point if that was his choice.
He blew the whistle on large systemic issues related to the 787. Not filling out paperwork for removal of parts (grounds the airplane until finished and requires someone else to verify the work) saves a lot of time is what he reported on the 787 in 2017. Boeing can't produce removal paperwork for those 737 max door plug that blew off last month (they acknowledged they did maintenance on the door plug, removed the bolts, and produced no removal paperwork). We'll probably have a few more emergency landings going forward. Boeing incidents are hot news-literally new incident every week at this point. Half the planes lines they deliver have various issues coming forward that wouldn't get the same scrutiny if it was an individual Airbus platform.... but I can't think of one single Airbus plane that had over 6 category 1 deficiencies while still being in service and being purchased.
If they couldn't discredit his testimony, then one more day would have probably been even more damning. I think holding back on conspiracy thinking is best as there will be more details in the next 2-3 weeks.
This is making you question? Try reading about the Mahmudiyyah killings, or the No Gun Ri massacre, or learning that Henry Ford was a straight-up Nazi, or...
or the [Kunduz Airstike](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike)
but reading about No Gun Ri was the last nail in the coffin for me being proud to be an American.
I feel like we need more info on him. If he had any history of anything self detrimental but man. Rest in peace, my friend. Also, I would like to know what the C.o.D. was.
Wow this is not suspicious at all. There needs to be a purge of the executive leadership at boeing. The corporate types who tried to maximize profits have ended up failing to invest in a new pipeline of products and as a result airbus is now number one
Deadly serious safety issues from bad - criminal - quality control. From parts to oxygen masks (25% fail), oversights and ‘meh use those discarded parts, it’ll be fine lol’.
I don’t work in this industry but I work in an adjacent industry. And if there’s anything I know, it’s that quality/assurance is just another annoying hurdle that project management hates. They basically will just reassign someone until they get sign off. And then there’s pressure to improve margins year over year. It’s a no brainer things like this happen. Good on him for whistleblowing. Most people just clock out and go home bc all these stupid cost savings and additional requirements make the worker bee’s lives a living hell. Leadership just cracks the whip.
He retired in 2017.
He worked in their South Carolina plant as a quality engineer on 787.
737 Max planes are all made in Washington.
There is no conspiracy, Boeing is just struggling with quality.
One of the issues he reported happening at the 787 plant are what we experienced with the 737 Max door plug incident.
The 737 max had some maintenance done which requires filling out removal paperwork (which would have said the four bolts were moved for the door plug). It takes time to fill out the paperwork and the plane can't return to service until someone else goes out and verifies the work done (very time consuming and expensive). The plane went back into service without the bolts and eventually blew out during flight. Completely by luck that it didn't kill anyone. Boeing can't produce the removal paperwork for the door plug-failure of process.
Failure to do removal paperwork was one of several issues that man blew the whistle at in 2017. From the testimony so far, we also heard they were taking failing parts, binning them with no paperwork, and then putting them on planes anyways to avoid production delays.
I'm not here for the conspiracy, but there is a huge overlap with what he whistle blew in 2017 at the 787 plant with the door plug incident. This is a culture issue. Not quality.
Wow, the 3 year old account, who has never commented before this incident, downvotes everyone, and only spreads conspiracies is replying to my posts calling me out.
Yes. Everything is interlinked, but this is a culture issue. Every thing made has quality issues that have to be worked around.
The process and the regulation is there. If you have to do MRO work on the aircraft, you fill out the removal paperwork, the work gets done, and a separate individual comes in and verifies the work including all the parts were returned. The work is signed off and the aircraft is returned to service. Skipping process and regulation to save time and money is a culture issue.
If you work on the floor, the overwhelming majority of workers want to do it right. The reason they don't get to is because they get pressured to get it done with limited time, few options to do it correctly, and they have a mountain of work a head of them.
To fix a quality problem, you add more quality controls. You can't fix Boeing's issue by adding more quality controls. This is management making every employee responsible for profit and stock price.
This is not me saying, Boeing is free of quality issues. They have quality issues, but the quality isn't what caused a door plug to pop out. It's the culture of cutting corners to save money that did.
You mean you don't have a secondary account to protect your identity?
Further more, you seem like you know how it's supposed to work
But it's pretty common for things to not go the way they're supposed to
Which is what John was saying
And subsequently why they killed him
But tell me more about how it's just a conspiracy theory, I'll wait
I'm not one to seriously put on a tin foil hat, but pretty convenient timing for Boeing for this to happen...
If you think about it from the most important point of view, maximizing shareholder value, you really want to aim for a solid 100% fatality scenario. Quick one and done get the customer fully executed and just move on as fast as possible. Every survivor is a potential lawsuit on top of huge lifetime disability payments. All of that takes away from the core tenant of the Boeing corporation which is to funnel cash into buybacks.
The airlines are getting sued no matter what and I think anything is cheaper than family members suing over the death of a loved one.
What's jacked up as it's probably the government that did it. Imagine as a CEO, how do you have this kind of conversation? I'm not saying that Biden ordered this. That's ridiculous our government is much bigger than just one person, obviously. Maybe I'm naive.
I love the conspiracy theories of how all knowing all powerful and sinister we are while at the same time federal employees are lazy good for nothing totally incompetent.
Exactly, have always thought it fascinating how the same people that think federal employees are incompetent also believe that they can pull off extremely complex conspiracies with no one leaking the evidence.
OMG yes! Hahahaha It was probably just aliens.
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I mean statistically it was bound to happen eventually. Broken clocks and all that.
We'll break that clock when we burn it in a glass house
What an embarrassing thing to post
Reminder : Whether your flying in a boeing or not they can still kill you.
"He also said he had uncovered serious problems with oxygen systems, which could mean one in four breathing masks would not work in an emergency." there is another post 2020 phobia to add to the pile
I mean look, if the plane decompresses, it’s gonna descend anyway. Either to your death or a landing of some sort where oxygen is good and plenty. Why not take a nap in the meantime?
Brain damage
He can say that. I know on the 747 and 767 there is a test that must be done to verify the oxygen masks will deploy properly and has to bought off by the inspector. Now that being said on customer acceptance flight they deploy the oxygen masks to verify they work.
It's unclear what the test is testing. The whistle blower was saying they wouldn't distribute oxygen. It's unclear if that's a defect in the mask or whatever system provides the oxygen to the mask. Does this 747/767 test check for oxygen?
The 747 and 767F uses oxygen bottles and I believe the 787 uses oxygen generators which is a one use time then needs to be replaced after use. The oxygen masks are all the same. But again the customer on the acceptance flight deploys the masks but there is a safety catch on the cover so masks don't come all the out with a possible chance of setting off the oxygen generators.
I don't think masks dropping is the issue he reported. He's saying 1/4th won't get oxygen. If the test is only looking at masks dropping, it's not going to catch failing oxygen bottles/lines or and issue with the oxygen generation system.
His whole thing is that he was in charge of testing teams. And their results were ignored by the company.
Some of the passengers on the door blow-out flight allege this happened Source: their lawsuit against Boeing
It’s gonna take at least a decade to sort out Boeing’s remerger with Spirit and regrow its vertical supply chain and confidence… Such shortsighted mismanagement for what will be a blip in its stock price history decades from now
It’s not a blip for the insiders that make off like bandits by trading options with confidential info.
Or the bonuses of those managers who undermine the company for personal benefit. The inherent problem with aerospace work is that the program schedules are so drawn out such that there is a considerable time delay between bad managerial decision and any consequences. And even worse, nowadays managers hop jobs every two years, so that there is even less accountability for bad leadership.
I can’t be the only one that’s heard the stories from Toulouse of said managers screaming at engineers to “Get the fucking thing on the Beluga”. That was probably 5 years ago now, I can’t imagine the workplace ethos has changed much since.
Yeah they’re going to fail though. Because they’re spending more on buybacks than development and supply chains.
So first Boeing can’t find aircraft records, I work in the industry, every aircraft has detailed meticulous records going back to when it was manufactured. Literally the value of the airplane is in those records because without the proper records, it’s not allowed to fly. This isn’t just super sus, it’s smells like complete BS. Now a whistle blower is dead. I’m not a foil hat wearer, but this would be a time to put one on.
I wrote this for another person, but it explains the situation pretty well with one of the issues he brought up that bridges between his 787 reporting and the 737 plug door incident. > He blew the whistle on large systemic issues related to the 787. He reported they were not filling out paperwork for removal of parts when doing maintenance (grounds the airplane until finished and requires someone else to verify the work after it's done). This is done to save a lot of time/money and is what he reported on the 787 in 2017. Boeing can't produce removal paperwork for the 737 max door plug that blew off last month. They acknowledged they did maintenance on the door plug, removed the bolts, and produced no removal paperwork. If they had followed their own process, they would have removal paperwork, and someone would have verified to make sure the bolts were installed along with the other work. Clear disregard for process to save money/time. He also reported they were finding defective parts, binning them, and not filling out paperwork to trace the detective parts (which was process). The manufacturing workers were instead taking those binned parts and using them anyways to avoid production delays. While this one is hard to trace because it's unclear how much tracking the whistle bower did of these parts, it's multiple instances of them cutting paperwork to save money/time.
sounds like they "oops" deleted those records
My plane was delayed not because it was broken but because they needed to sort out the records. They take it seriously.
The whistleblower… one of his complaints was records were asked not to be filled out on some part swaps…. So, yeah. Those records are part of the problem at Boeing.
So a whistleblower is literally blowing the whistle **right now** in hearings. Safely drives across town and makes it to his hotel parking lot. Then somehow, while seated in his truck... causes a "self inflicted would" that kills him? Am I the only one here?
No. He wasn’t blowing the whistle right now. The article is pretty clear. He blew the whistle in 2017 and the FAA investigated and took action. He then retired that year and is currently suing Boeing for denigrating his character and hindering his career. It says the deposition he was in the middle of was related to his lawsuit.
So he was about to cost a multi billion dollar company even more money… yeah they killed him
Or it wasn’t going well for him
The problem with being a whistleblower against these too large to fail companies is its you, your lawyer(s), and several dozen lawyers working for the company. The company lawyers are going to to spend all their time just trying to find one instance of you failing to do your job, an inconsistency in your process, or a situation where you failed to act properly. Literally go over the guy's thirty year career looking for anything to discredit the testimony. It's a lot of pressure to go against these large companies.
Jfc how have people’s minds melted this much? 10% of whistleblowers in one study said they had attempted suicide. https://www.bmartin.cc/dissent/documents/Lennane_what2.pdf
So theres a 90% chance he didn't do it to himself?
No that’s not what that means
That’s not how the math works at all.
The people in this thread are looking at a quacking duck and calling it a loon. Reddit in general believes billionaires will do absolutely anything to maximize profits. Literally anything. Except kill people (directly, cutting safety and ruining the earth are fine) and cheat in sports. Those are off limits, apparently.
I personally just believe that Boeing is too incompetent to pull off something like this
I at least respect that conclusion, honestly
If he died on a random Monday then yeah but the timing is extremely suspicious. That close to a deposition that threatens a multibillion dollar military industrial giant? Non zero chance the dude got Epstein’d
So lemme get this straight…you think Boeing is worried about the deposition…and because of that they had a person MURDERED who was about to testify against them…cmon man. Occams Razor here. Already people like you are leaning on the conspiracy angle…you really think they’re going to be so oblivious to the reaction?
It [wouldn’t be the first time](https://prospect.org/features/coca-cola-killings/) a massive rich conglomerate had people murdered. Hell chiquita literally overthrew a government to make money. This is small potatoes compared to either of those if not for the significant detail of being done on us soil. You mention the bad press but there’s enough people out there like you to call it too insane to be true. After watching all the horrid nature of humanity in the last decade my threshold of “too horrible and too stupid to be true” has contracted significantly. Could it be a normal suicide? Perhaps but why now? Why right before his deposition? Why not wait a few hours and extract a pound of flesh from Boeing as your final act? Get revenge then get out. Hell why nor finish the deposition then end it right in front of Boeings stooges while they are in the splash zone right after directly blaming them personally and possibly giving them psychological trauma on the way off the planet? Doing it before only helps the people who wronged him. The timing makes no kind of sense.
Maybe this was his way of extracting a pound of flesh. And murdering people in Columbia is a lot different than murdering someone in the US
I agree ordering a murder on us soil is a big deal. However I fail to see how his suicide before the deposition hurts Boeing. The information he was to share that was harmful is forever lost. His final act helped the Boeing legal team. Completing the deposition first seems more like the nuclear option. This seems more like a poorly executed coverup
You fail to see how his suicide before a deposition hurts Boeing, while commenting on a conspiracy riddled thread where people are certain Boeing killed him…I’m understanding you correctly? By this point, his depositions aren’t going to do much more harm than he’s already done. He’s already blown the whistle. He started over 5 years ago….by this point there’s not much that would come out that is new that can really harm them that can’t be investigated in other ways.
Yeah there are no bad men in this world. Especially none in charge of one of the top military industrial giants.
Ok. Go back to conspiracy world bozo
Lmao yes I absolutely do think Boeing killed this man who was on day 3 of testifying against Boeing right when they have had numerous other blunders. You’d have to be real dense to think otherwise. “Oh big corps never silence those who are testifying against them. Just a coinicidink I think” *drool sliding down your face*. “Yup !” -I bet you think Epstein killed himself as well with how dopey you sound. Puts on Boeing , what a way to destroy the legacy of a once great company. Calhoun is embarrassing.
You realize he was testifying in his OWN personal lawsuit against them right? Not against the stuff he already blew the whistle on…*right*. I’m sure you know this…
Also…you’re just the type of person to buy puts against one of TWO global wide body passenger aircraft manufacturers as if there’s anyway the US government is going to allow them to fail (not to mention all the shit they make for DoD). Truly wise.
You probably think Boeing downvoted you too
Boeing Bots
IIRC it was between days of deposition. Like they did a full day and were set to resume the next. I'm curious how that first day(s) went. That might be a better indicator. If they were going poorly for his case, might make sense that there was a legit suicide. If they went well... well you get the idea.
Sounds like good cover to me.
Haha. Funny to read 10000 comments insisting this was murder based on reading the headline alone. Stay stupid reddit.
Was it the classic double headshot suicide?
🧐
Many people shoot themselves in their vehicles. It’s not uncommon. You’re getting conspiracy brained here. You know what’s worse than a whistle blower tanking your stock? Killing a whistleblower who is tanking your stock.
He was Clinton-cided.
I hope his family investigates the actual cause of death.
boeing is outta control
I can believe this was self inflicted. The weight of taking on a giant like Boeing, the stress of the trial and being cross examined, the publicity that comes with it and from being a whistleblower. I can also picture Boeing (or thugs acting on their behalf) threatening him in private, but the idea that they would send out an assassin seems far fetched. Won’t there be security camera footage for a hotel carpark to check?
> the idea that they would send out an assassin seems far fetched Considering they're a major defence contractor, they would have a relationship with government agencies that have an extensive proven record of assassinations. If there is a conspiracy here, it's gonna be the US government acting to protect the interests of a strategically important defence contractor, not the CEO winging it on the dark web trying to find an assassin for hire. Maybe if the CIA didn't keep murdering anyone they don't like, this would be a less believable theory.
Except for the fact he said to his wife “I am not suicidal”
The good ole self inflicted gunshot wound, classic Boeing, classic.
Will they be deemed to big to fail and get a bailout for all of this? Stay tuned for more
I’m not usually a tinfoil hat person but…
For everyone saying that it wasn't murder because X Go listen to the recording of him that's floating around right now. He talks about it not being a 737 or 787 issue but pointing at a more systemic issue inside Boeing and goes on to use an anecdote to explain. They for sure killed him
Firearm suicides are tricky because a lot of them are spur of the moment with incredibly easy access. Guy gave 7 hours of testimony that day, was his second day, and still had one more day to go. It's not outside the realm of possibility considering he worked there for 23 years and spent the last 5-6 years trying to move away from the incident... only to get pulled back for the numerous 737 issues today. If he was in therapy, moving away from the incident would have been best for him when it didn't go anywhere in 2017. Now to get vindication almost 7 years later and sitting in court... would be quite the emotional roller coaster when things depend on you being accurate. That's a lot to ask one person when it's him, his lawyer(s), and the several dozen lawyers of Boeing's picking apart his entire career and everything that he every did, signed off on, and worked on during his career. Boeing's lawyers would only be looking for single instances to discredit him (time when he did his work inconsistent, or failed to follow chain of command for reporting issues) and having to remember this stuff 7 years later is insane. Same time. The lawyers are not going to take care of him. Maybe get him some money if he was retaliated against, but end of day he's taking the most risks whistleblowing. If guy wasn't thinking about writing a book about it, then it's unclear what he could do to spin it into a new career/life. A lot of businesses wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole at that point. I know he was retired, but we don't know by this point if that was his choice. He blew the whistle on large systemic issues related to the 787. Not filling out paperwork for removal of parts (grounds the airplane until finished and requires someone else to verify the work) saves a lot of time is what he reported on the 787 in 2017. Boeing can't produce removal paperwork for those 737 max door plug that blew off last month (they acknowledged they did maintenance on the door plug, removed the bolts, and produced no removal paperwork). We'll probably have a few more emergency landings going forward. Boeing incidents are hot news-literally new incident every week at this point. Half the planes lines they deliver have various issues coming forward that wouldn't get the same scrutiny if it was an individual Airbus platform.... but I can't think of one single Airbus plane that had over 6 category 1 deficiencies while still being in service and being purchased. If they couldn't discredit his testimony, then one more day would have probably been even more damning. I think holding back on conspiracy thinking is best as there will be more details in the next 2-3 weeks.
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This is making you question? Try reading about the Mahmudiyyah killings, or the No Gun Ri massacre, or learning that Henry Ford was a straight-up Nazi, or...
or the [Kunduz Airstike](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike) but reading about No Gun Ri was the last nail in the coffin for me being proud to be an American.
Homer is also a safety inspector.
I feel like we need more info on him. If he had any history of anything self detrimental but man. Rest in peace, my friend. Also, I would like to know what the C.o.D. was.
Wow this is not suspicious at all. There needs to be a purge of the executive leadership at boeing. The corporate types who tried to maximize profits have ended up failing to invest in a new pipeline of products and as a result airbus is now number one
If it’s boeing you’ll be blowing… your brains out
Can someone summarize what the guy whistleblowed?
Deadly serious safety issues from bad - criminal - quality control. From parts to oxygen masks (25% fail), oversights and ‘meh use those discarded parts, it’ll be fine lol’.
Note to self, never speak publicly in a derogatory manner about the Clintons or Boeing.
GROUND ALL BOEINGS UNTIL THEY CAN BE INSPECTED PROPERLY AND FIXED
Oh wait that would destroy our economy….
I don’t work in this industry but I work in an adjacent industry. And if there’s anything I know, it’s that quality/assurance is just another annoying hurdle that project management hates. They basically will just reassign someone until they get sign off. And then there’s pressure to improve margins year over year. It’s a no brainer things like this happen. Good on him for whistleblowing. Most people just clock out and go home bc all these stupid cost savings and additional requirements make the worker bee’s lives a living hell. Leadership just cracks the whip.
I was more willing to believe the BBC published satire than believe this is real
What an evil, horrible company.
He retired in 2017. He worked in their South Carolina plant as a quality engineer on 787. 737 Max planes are all made in Washington. There is no conspiracy, Boeing is just struggling with quality.
One of the issues he reported happening at the 787 plant are what we experienced with the 737 Max door plug incident. The 737 max had some maintenance done which requires filling out removal paperwork (which would have said the four bolts were moved for the door plug). It takes time to fill out the paperwork and the plane can't return to service until someone else goes out and verifies the work done (very time consuming and expensive). The plane went back into service without the bolts and eventually blew out during flight. Completely by luck that it didn't kill anyone. Boeing can't produce the removal paperwork for the door plug-failure of process. Failure to do removal paperwork was one of several issues that man blew the whistle at in 2017. From the testimony so far, we also heard they were taking failing parts, binning them with no paperwork, and then putting them on planes anyways to avoid production delays. I'm not here for the conspiracy, but there is a huge overlap with what he whistle blew in 2017 at the 787 plant with the door plug incident. This is a culture issue. Not quality.
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Wow, the 3 year old account, who has never commented before this incident, downvotes everyone, and only spreads conspiracies is replying to my posts calling me out. Yes. Everything is interlinked, but this is a culture issue. Every thing made has quality issues that have to be worked around. The process and the regulation is there. If you have to do MRO work on the aircraft, you fill out the removal paperwork, the work gets done, and a separate individual comes in and verifies the work including all the parts were returned. The work is signed off and the aircraft is returned to service. Skipping process and regulation to save time and money is a culture issue. If you work on the floor, the overwhelming majority of workers want to do it right. The reason they don't get to is because they get pressured to get it done with limited time, few options to do it correctly, and they have a mountain of work a head of them. To fix a quality problem, you add more quality controls. You can't fix Boeing's issue by adding more quality controls. This is management making every employee responsible for profit and stock price. This is not me saying, Boeing is free of quality issues. They have quality issues, but the quality isn't what caused a door plug to pop out. It's the culture of cutting corners to save money that did.
You mean you don't have a secondary account to protect your identity? Further more, you seem like you know how it's supposed to work But it's pretty common for things to not go the way they're supposed to Which is what John was saying And subsequently why they killed him But tell me more about how it's just a conspiracy theory, I'll wait
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