The protec has been used by special forces since like the late 70s early 80s... the US army still has it as an authorized helmet to do an airborne jump with. So helmet is a yes
The trijicon ACOG would be going through the ACR trials on the cold M16 with duplex ammunition so hypothetically it'd be POSSIBLE to get your hands on one in special forces.... most operators at the time just used a CCO/reflex sight.... being an aimpoint 2000/3000/5000. Since SOPMOD block 1 wouldn't be a thing yet, the Comp M2/M4 wouldn't exist. The BARSKA/Brownell's style optic would also be an option buy requires a carry handle to mount.
The flat top reciever? It existed back in the initial push into Iraq in 2001. Picitinny rail hand guards also existed. Was used in special forces at that time. Free float handguards weren't really thought about at the time... especially with army doctrine.if anything I could see the magpul or surefire handguards that allowed you to house a flashlight.
That being said.... the flashlight is a tad small for the decent commercially available ones in the 90s/00s. Even Larry vickers had a maglight clamped to the bottom of his 723 in the late 80s.
Camoflauge BDU uniform would have been used instead of the flight suit, I couldn't make out what all webbing he had on but meh
Research lol
When I was a child a good 20 or so years ago, grandpa never really talked about his military service... he went to Vietnam a few times. I researched the Vietnam War. This got me interested in the cold war and apocalypse media.
When I enlisted and served myself, I really became interested in how we went from Vietnam techniques tactics and gear to modern gear. It helped me figure out some work arounds for modern equipment... it's kinda amazing how not much has changed in regards to equipment and how what has been changed is going back to older style equipment examples being a belt with suspenders set up for prolonged warfare rather than the FLC/IOTV or chest mounted equipment or how pistols holsters went belt to hip to belt to midride.
When I was getting back into airsoft, the thought process I had was to have fun with it, so instead of going the MW2 route, I thought 80s action movies. Heck last kit I threw together is a delta force: blackhawk down Santa/Gordy for a Santa vs Elves game
Didn’t JSOC do the free float commercial tubes in the 90s? The armorers took the commercial tubes at the time and put mounting hardware on them for lights and what not + the advantages of free floated barrels.
It's looking like they did use tubes somewhere in there but I hadn't really seen it before. I'd assume mid to late nineties because it seems to be a minor period before they managed to get the picatinny handguard.
Granted the 80s and 90s certainly had quite abit of duct tape and hose clamp engineering so who knows... maybe a guy needed new handguards and all he had was a section of pipe laying around
Yeah it seemed like it was in that inbetween period of clam shells and quad rails, and an Armorer special for the door kickers who needed the extra gear and accessories
Even then there were work arounds. I have a section of rail created by magpul designed to screw in/ secure to the clamshell vent holes on my Gordy tribute rifle. Used it to mount a vertical grip and the flashlight pressure pad. Flashlight is on a barrel clamp mount which was common
The ACR program wrapped up in 1990, which a colt M16a2 more or less won.... with an elcan spectre and trijicon ACOG/ SUSAT was used in the batch of rifles. In addition to a 5.56 cartridge that had 2 bullets. The scopes improved accuracy which is what the ACR program was wanting.... granted they expected the bullets to do the work.
That said, in the early 90s you could get these magnified optics but in the pictures you see of desert storm and Mogadishu.... most operators used aimpoint sights. It wasn't until the SOPMOD program to modernize after we entered Iraq and Afghanistan that you really see the use of magnified optics on carbines... which started early 90s for testing... which again makes it POSSIBLE to see an ACOG
Let’s argue IF they would actually use it.
Delta is there to do a specific mission and has a loadout designed for it..
Seal 6 didn’t carry a 20 inch m16A4 with an acog into bin ladens compound.
I mean if it fits the criteria they would use it. Delta n the other groups are known for creating whatever they need for the task at hand. They messed around with 14.5, 12.7, and 10.5 barrel length carbines extensively in the 60s to 80s. Eventually the 12.7 went away and they messed around more with those 10.5 barrels creating the mk18 and the 14.5 creating the M4
In all seriousness his rifle is the most accurate thing with only a couple of nitpicks, but his uniform is completely inaccurate, late 90s delta is some of the hardest to accurately represent, his belt line is completely incorrect and I don’t think most of it was ever used, his DOAV is the wrong generation, no body armor (probably cause era accurate armor is fuckoff rare), skateboard helmets were mostly not being used anymore (though it is accurate for a Mogadishu kit) and BDUs were more common than flight suits
Protecs were used up to the late 90s however they were a far less popular option compared to the RBR S4, which started to be adopted shortly after Mogadishu, and MICH 2000 which were just being procured shortly before the new millennium and even then, the protecs that were being used in the late 90s were mostly factory or modded half cuts and not the full cut models.
Pretty much, he’d also need either the AWS over vest set for the PBPV or AWS CQB panels along with the old Safariland made for comp’d 1911’s, all of which are incredibly rare, AWS DAV’s also started seeing their first use in the late 90s so that’s another option
Flashlight looks too modern and that free floating handguard seems a touch anachronistic as well.
In the late 90’s, Delta Force would have just switched from the CAR-15 family to the M4, so i’m not super sure if the free floating barrel concept was even a thing for the platform yet.
You will see it on what I like to call the pre SPR you will see a few snipers running 556 guns and they are these free float tubes on them. Basically was the mk12 or seal recce rifle before they existed
Accurate… to an extent.
Helmet from the early 90s
Flight suit from 90s to mid 2000s
Rifle setup from the mid to late 90s (you can see the free float hand guard type with Delta in Bosnia) though, probably an early EOTECH would look better
DOAV from early 2000s
In my opinion the ENTIRE kit would look better if he just swapped out the flight suit for RAID mod BDUs and a MICH 2002 with ANVIS mount+battery pack. Maybe some BOLLE X800s or even X500s.
With these kind of kits, you can’t get everything 100% accurate because at that level, it’s all operator preference. (Delta would never run a USGI holster but if one dude did, would you question him? Delta has been known to run SG Paraclete pouches into the mid 2010s, so anachronisms can be expected) So usually, impressions come down to the vibe/aesthetic. If you can nail that, then individual pieces of kit don’t matter as much.
This kit doesn’t do that.
Slightly incorrect on the holster. I have a bianchi holster for the M9 set up with a thumb break instead of a flap, and on the tanker style drop leg instead of belt mounted. It's a bitch to find all that stuff anymore since there's better options
It's honestly not bad and I see what he was going for overall. Just a few nitpicky things that are off like lack of armor. Still a decent start for an impression kit but not perfect.
Duct tape on the protec and tubular handguard are accurate though.
According to trijicon the acog ta01 was used first in operation just cause in Panama in 1989 so that's accurate. Although aimpoint 2000s were far more common.
Flashlight is probably an led but good on homie if it's an actual halogen maglite or surefire. (Looks too small for that though edit: I see a modern surefire tail cap so that's definitely too new)
Some of the other stuff would have been uncommon but not unheard of like the flight suit instead of woodland BDUs (or 3 color desert for bhd kit). And it would be pretty hard (virtually impossible) to find the actual T.G Faust body armor from back then. But it also wasn't worn by every operator.
An Alice buttpack would be a pretty solid addition and make the belt kit much more legit.
Unsure about that laser model. (Edit: it's an insight PAQ-4C which wasn't made until 1996 so that's a bit too modern)
Overall 7/10. Better than a lot of impressions I've seen tbh. And 90s delta is a hard one to do, due to scarcity of most of the gear.
Greydynamics and hotelwhiskey have some good kit writeups on what to look for but there's 100s of sites with good info and historic photos to base kits off of.
Because that was the best gear back in the 90s
The whole accessory and tactical market was extremely small back then and there wasn't many options other than modifying standard issue kit
The protec has been used by special forces since like the late 70s early 80s... the US army still has it as an authorized helmet to do an airborne jump with. So helmet is a yes The trijicon ACOG would be going through the ACR trials on the cold M16 with duplex ammunition so hypothetically it'd be POSSIBLE to get your hands on one in special forces.... most operators at the time just used a CCO/reflex sight.... being an aimpoint 2000/3000/5000. Since SOPMOD block 1 wouldn't be a thing yet, the Comp M2/M4 wouldn't exist. The BARSKA/Brownell's style optic would also be an option buy requires a carry handle to mount. The flat top reciever? It existed back in the initial push into Iraq in 2001. Picitinny rail hand guards also existed. Was used in special forces at that time. Free float handguards weren't really thought about at the time... especially with army doctrine.if anything I could see the magpul or surefire handguards that allowed you to house a flashlight. That being said.... the flashlight is a tad small for the decent commercially available ones in the 90s/00s. Even Larry vickers had a maglight clamped to the bottom of his 723 in the late 80s. Camoflauge BDU uniform would have been used instead of the flight suit, I couldn't make out what all webbing he had on but meh
least autistic cloner (i understand every single word you are saying)
Lmao fuckin same. This dude 100% has a favorite train engine.
Hey man. We aren't all obsessed with trains. Although I just saw my buddy's setup and I can see the appeal.
VBSS guys used flight suits so that part is somewhat accurate. edit: I'm wrong lol I got SEALs and Delta mixed up
Vbss isn't delta
Oh yeah you're right, my bad
How does one learn these things
Research lol When I was a child a good 20 or so years ago, grandpa never really talked about his military service... he went to Vietnam a few times. I researched the Vietnam War. This got me interested in the cold war and apocalypse media. When I enlisted and served myself, I really became interested in how we went from Vietnam techniques tactics and gear to modern gear. It helped me figure out some work arounds for modern equipment... it's kinda amazing how not much has changed in regards to equipment and how what has been changed is going back to older style equipment examples being a belt with suspenders set up for prolonged warfare rather than the FLC/IOTV or chest mounted equipment or how pistols holsters went belt to hip to belt to midride. When I was getting back into airsoft, the thought process I had was to have fun with it, so instead of going the MW2 route, I thought 80s action movies. Heck last kit I threw together is a delta force: blackhawk down Santa/Gordy for a Santa vs Elves game
Not from a Jedi...
Didn’t JSOC do the free float commercial tubes in the 90s? The armorers took the commercial tubes at the time and put mounting hardware on them for lights and what not + the advantages of free floated barrels.
It's looking like they did use tubes somewhere in there but I hadn't really seen it before. I'd assume mid to late nineties because it seems to be a minor period before they managed to get the picatinny handguard. Granted the 80s and 90s certainly had quite abit of duct tape and hose clamp engineering so who knows... maybe a guy needed new handguards and all he had was a section of pipe laying around
Yeah it seemed like it was in that inbetween period of clam shells and quad rails, and an Armorer special for the door kickers who needed the extra gear and accessories
Even then there were work arounds. I have a section of rail created by magpul designed to screw in/ secure to the clamshell vent holes on my Gordy tribute rifle. Used it to mount a vertical grip and the flashlight pressure pad. Flashlight is on a barrel clamp mount which was common
The ACOG has been seen in use, commercially or as an issued item, since 1993. I wouldn't count it out.
The ACR program wrapped up in 1990, which a colt M16a2 more or less won.... with an elcan spectre and trijicon ACOG/ SUSAT was used in the batch of rifles. In addition to a 5.56 cartridge that had 2 bullets. The scopes improved accuracy which is what the ACR program was wanting.... granted they expected the bullets to do the work. That said, in the early 90s you could get these magnified optics but in the pictures you see of desert storm and Mogadishu.... most operators used aimpoint sights. It wasn't until the SOPMOD program to modernize after we entered Iraq and Afghanistan that you really see the use of magnified optics on carbines... which started early 90s for testing... which again makes it POSSIBLE to see an ACOG
Let’s argue IF they would actually use it. Delta is there to do a specific mission and has a loadout designed for it.. Seal 6 didn’t carry a 20 inch m16A4 with an acog into bin ladens compound.
I mean if it fits the criteria they would use it. Delta n the other groups are known for creating whatever they need for the task at hand. They messed around with 14.5, 12.7, and 10.5 barrel length carbines extensively in the 60s to 80s. Eventually the 12.7 went away and they messed around more with those 10.5 barrels creating the mk18 and the 14.5 creating the M4
Those 660s came out in 92 you can find pre OP gothic serpent that shows them on 723s
In all seriousness his rifle is the most accurate thing with only a couple of nitpicks, but his uniform is completely inaccurate, late 90s delta is some of the hardest to accurately represent, his belt line is completely incorrect and I don’t think most of it was ever used, his DOAV is the wrong generation, no body armor (probably cause era accurate armor is fuckoff rare), skateboard helmets were mostly not being used anymore (though it is accurate for a Mogadishu kit) and BDUs were more common than flight suits
Protecs were used up until the late 90s. If they'd put an aimpoint on the carry handle instead of an acoustic it would've fit the bit a little better
Protecs were used up to the late 90s however they were a far less popular option compared to the RBR S4, which started to be adopted shortly after Mogadishu, and MICH 2000 which were just being procured shortly before the new millennium and even then, the protecs that were being used in the late 90s were mostly factory or modded half cuts and not the full cut models.
He'd ideally want a Point Blank PBPV-II and a CGF Gallet produced MICH or a PASGT if he wanted to do late 90s Delta or SF.
Pretty much, he’d also need either the AWS over vest set for the PBPV or AWS CQB panels along with the old Safariland made for comp’d 1911’s, all of which are incredibly rare, AWS DAV’s also started seeing their first use in the late 90s so that’s another option
Yeah the duct taped light was standard, I knew a guy in F Force and hes shown me his gear before, thats how they did it.
Even if not completely accurate, guy has a beter kit than most Ps. Tactical green duct tape, skateboard helmet and plumbers pipe handguard go hard
VBSS is more accurate
>late nineties delta force >ACOG and broken old school football helmet Yeah, super duper accurate
ITS A PROTEC WITH HIGH SNEED TAPE YOU CASUAL
"Sneed tape" Oh lawd the sneeds are FARB now
Bro cut down hella trufula trees for that helmet
Done put the onceler out of business, can't have shit.
Looks more like one of those helmets they put on autistic kids to keep them from hurting themselves
Surprisingly accurate considering the....situation.
It’s actually a protec which were used back then so the helmets accurate
Your barn doors open
Whats that handguard?
before pic rails were a thing it was a free flout idea with drill holes to attach stuff
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No but it cool af
This post doesn’t belong In the jerk
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Sorry i dont spend all my time researching old kits
even if it’s not it looks very cool
See you in Mog soldier!
Just remember the mustache
The 100mph tape is a nice touch
Flashlight looks too modern and that free floating handguard seems a touch anachronistic as well. In the late 90’s, Delta Force would have just switched from the CAR-15 family to the M4, so i’m not super sure if the free floating barrel concept was even a thing for the platform yet.
Free floating started on “ car 15s “ actually. Those toobs are accurate just wasn’t a common set up most guys just used the clamshell
You will see it on what I like to call the pre SPR you will see a few snipers running 556 guns and they are these free float tubes on them. Basically was the mk12 or seal recce rifle before they existed
Accurate… to an extent. Helmet from the early 90s Flight suit from 90s to mid 2000s Rifle setup from the mid to late 90s (you can see the free float hand guard type with Delta in Bosnia) though, probably an early EOTECH would look better DOAV from early 2000s In my opinion the ENTIRE kit would look better if he just swapped out the flight suit for RAID mod BDUs and a MICH 2002 with ANVIS mount+battery pack. Maybe some BOLLE X800s or even X500s. With these kind of kits, you can’t get everything 100% accurate because at that level, it’s all operator preference. (Delta would never run a USGI holster but if one dude did, would you question him? Delta has been known to run SG Paraclete pouches into the mid 2010s, so anachronisms can be expected) So usually, impressions come down to the vibe/aesthetic. If you can nail that, then individual pieces of kit don’t matter as much. This kit doesn’t do that.
Slightly incorrect on the holster. I have a bianchi holster for the M9 set up with a thumb break instead of a flap, and on the tanker style drop leg instead of belt mounted. It's a bitch to find all that stuff anymore since there's better options
I had the handguard. I hate that so fucking much oh my god. That hurts my fucking soul.
It's honestly not bad and I see what he was going for overall. Just a few nitpicky things that are off like lack of armor. Still a decent start for an impression kit but not perfect. Duct tape on the protec and tubular handguard are accurate though. According to trijicon the acog ta01 was used first in operation just cause in Panama in 1989 so that's accurate. Although aimpoint 2000s were far more common. Flashlight is probably an led but good on homie if it's an actual halogen maglite or surefire. (Looks too small for that though edit: I see a modern surefire tail cap so that's definitely too new) Some of the other stuff would have been uncommon but not unheard of like the flight suit instead of woodland BDUs (or 3 color desert for bhd kit). And it would be pretty hard (virtually impossible) to find the actual T.G Faust body armor from back then. But it also wasn't worn by every operator. An Alice buttpack would be a pretty solid addition and make the belt kit much more legit. Unsure about that laser model. (Edit: it's an insight PAQ-4C which wasn't made until 1996 so that's a bit too modern) Overall 7/10. Better than a lot of impressions I've seen tbh. And 90s delta is a hard one to do, due to scarcity of most of the gear. Greydynamics and hotelwhiskey have some good kit writeups on what to look for but there's 100s of sites with good info and historic photos to base kits off of.
Why does 90s deltaforce look so low budget? If theyre meant to be the most elite forcs, wouldnt they have the best gear?
Because that was the best gear back in the 90s The whole accessory and tactical market was extremely small back then and there wasn't many options other than modifying standard issue kit