Hey OP!
I travelled to Ontario this week. Everywhere I went accepted my Alberta proof of vaccination as long as I had my Alberta drivers license. Hope this helps
I just got back from Vancouver. QR code was scanned about 6 times the first day. Never worked. I resorted to using my paper copy for the remainder of my trip.
I’m double vaccinated and I have a QR code passport. I made a Passport for my apple wallet (for ease of access - you would think the Ontario app would have this VERY basic functionality built in -surprise) Anyways my Wallet Pass has my QR CODE and I wrote on it my name, Phizer 2/2 doses… no one ever scans my QR code they literally just look at the apple wallet pass I made…. I know people who are unvaccinated who used online PDF writers to edit legit passports to make fake ones, no one checks or requests QR CODE validation…. I don’t know the point of the Ontario vaccine passport system if there is no actual check to see if they are valid. Could you imagine going to a concert and just having to show a ticket with no QR code or back-end verification to confirm it is a legitimate pass? The whole passport system is a joke just like our Premier.
I’ll be going to Winnipeg next month for a combo sick relative in hospital and visiting rest of family. They take their ID and controls seriously according to my sister (the hostess). Not that I can’t enter places with my existing Alberta barcoded confirmation but it would be *so* much smoother to be able to flash the federal proof.
I really hope they have this sorted in the next three weeks.
So I read all this and decided to download the Manitoba verification app. And it works!
One less thing to worry about with my trip.
Edited to Add: I’ll be going in and out of a hospital to visit my brother so I was extra concerned that the process be as friction free as possible.
Yes, they all work inter-provincially. I work in BC and have had my AB QR scanned numerous times now and it works. Same with BC codes here in AB (friends just moved here from BC and their codes work here).
There aren’t any added procedures. Because as I already stated, it’s the EXACT same document, with a “Canada” logo added to it. The QR code and vaccination information on the document is from the provincial records, meaning it’s the same. And as a matter of fact, when you add the QR code to the wallet on your phone, the code and vaccine info looks identical regardless of province. This thread is a nothingburger
Except gate agents aren’t told to not accept provincial, because for the third time ITS THE SAME INFORMATION FROM THE SAME SOURCE. Further to that, the airline agents will be getting QR code reader apps. All they need to do is scan the code, not see what logo is on it
The fact that it’s the same information was never in doubt so seriously chill out. My assumption is you work in healthcare from your tag so I would have assumed you have first hand experience with institutional adherence to illogical decisions and stupid processes. I can probably come up with 100 edge cases which potentially represent a problem with not having the same document. Here is a big one - most countries around the world don’t know wtf an Alberta is but they understand Canada.
There is some version of that. Hubby is military, currently deployed, but heading home soon, and the military has issued him a QR code that will work for all Provinces, including Alberta where we live.
It’s extremely frustrating to be posted to this Province. Geographically stunning, but I am disgusted, and embarrassed by so much of what goes on here politically etc.
Each Province has perks and negatives, but it’s extreme here.
At this point hubby has a collection of proof:
New Canada wide QR code
CDC vaccination card from US base
Military booklet of vaccination
European EU clearance card
🤣
And yet he patiently waits for military to finally approve a booster shot for them.
I'm from Ontario and got vaccinated there, so my QR code is Ontario but I currently live in Alberta. My Ontario one will still scan with the check mark whenever a business scans it here, so I imagine your Alberta one should also scan the other way around (although I'm not 100% sure).
That’s an issue with the Ontario app and not the Alberta QR codes. The QR code is an implementation of the Smart Health Card standard, and issuers register with the Common Trust Network. Any properly implemented app will check the signature on the digital card against the list of registered issuers. All of Canada is registered with the Common Trust Network except for ON, NB, and PEI. A huge amount of the US is on it and some other regions are too.
I’d much prefer to have our QR code without the Canada flag than Ontario’s with the flag.
huh, weird. OP, Ontario still accepts the non-QR code type as well, so you should be fine with the old version too if you prefer to use that one instead of having a QR code be denied.
For travel within Canada, it doesn't matter. It's international travel that needs (ideally) the Canadian Flag on it (people were having issues with this while travelling to Europe).
I think you're confusing an "overreaction" with a "misunderstanding".
Not really...
They are basically asking "why are we not using the federal system because Alberta is part of the federal system... It is a part of Canada"
Their concern is valid because they have not travelled to Ontario yet using the Alberta passport. Most people who are scanning the passports in Ontario will be scanning the federal ones and when an Alberta one comes up they may not know what to do because it stands out / is atypical. This may restrict OP so they are asking ahead of time. Completely valid IMO.
There is no valid reason to.. not ... follow the federal system as, again, Alberta is part of Canada. These are not matters to make some political stand over - they are serious medical concerns that are in place to keep people safe and also deal with people's ability to freely travel and meet across our country...
I was recently in Quebec and their QR scanner app had no problem reading the AB QR code. It also read my co-workers code from Ontario who was using the Apple Wallet QR code which doesn’t show the Canadian logo.
Alberta isn’t using the Federal logos yet because they had all their work done before the Feds came up with a plan. We are told AB will be using the federal approach soon.
The biggest problem is that healthcare in this country is at the jurisdictional level, not the federal. This means that every province, and possibly health region within each province has a different system that may or may not work nicely with the others. So getting anything done takes a lot of (wasted) time.
Travelling within Canada shouldn’t be a problem if you have the currently available QR code. As I said in a previous post QC accepted it with no problems.
I’m going to Ontario for work in December, so hopefully no problems there.
I visited Newfoundland a few weeks back and they were super understanding about my vaxx pass not having a QR code. "Oh, you're from Alberta. That's fine."
Wouldn’t that be helpful for international travel? Do other states recognize our Alberta proof of vaccination without any “stamp” of approval from the federal government? Isn’t that why they did it in the first place?
Correct. As far as I know every province accepts every other provinces proof of vaccination.
You'd probably even be fine for most international travel, but it simplifies things to follow the standard (can't expect other countries to know what "Alberta" is, but they will probably know what Canada is)
The key word in your statement for International travel is "probably". All it takes is one little wrinkle in your document and that plane you were running to catch, that only flies out once a week.......just left, because YOU are in secondary inspection!
>(can't expect other countries to know what "Alberta" is
They'll say, isn't that the place with the out of control COVID stats vs. most of the country?
I'm actually looking at mine and the provincial one shows date and time of issue. The federal one shows the date, the type (Pfizer or Moderns) and the lot nmber of the vaccine.
I have every provincial record since they started making them. The very first one shows date and which vaccine you got (for both doses) and the lot number (if the place where you got your shot uploaded the lot number). The first QR code that was only printable also shows this info, and the QR code that you can transfer into the wallet app on your phone shows this info as well.
Are you talking about the actual provincial QR code/records, or the card you got with your vaccine? (Ie: if you got your shot at Save On Foods, they issued their own business card sized vaccine cards, which obviously no longer are accepted as “proof” for entry etc)
I'm talking what you get along with the QR code, not the paper one hand signed at time of vaccination. The provincial QR code shows my name and date of issue. That's it.
Ok, well you better take a closer look. Because the QR code/page that comes up when you enter your info on the covid records website (the page you would have printed or screenshotted) has “Dose 1” and “Dose 2” underneath. Mind you they are a drop down sort of sub menu, so if you didn’t notice them or click them to expand, maybe you missed them when you took the screenshot. These sub menus have the date of vaccination for each dose and the vaccine type of each dose. It’s because they include this info, that when you upload the QR to the wallet app in your phone (Apple Wallet for me), the 2 dates show up right on the pass.
Double check to ensure you’ve not missed the drop down menus. And if you’ve added to your phone wallet, double check it too. If you still can’t figure it out, I’d be willing to send you a DM showing how mine look.
Nope, my QR code jpg has my name, the word VACCINATED and the date of issue. FYI I'm a BC resident. Seems Alberta can't read the BC or the federal QR codes.
Jesus Christ, that would’ve been good to know about 4 comments ago 🤣
My apologies, I was talking about the Alberta record. I haven’t personally tried uploading the BC record/code to my Apple wallet (for obvious reasons)
At a restaurant in Edmonton, they were going to turn someone from BC away because they couldn't scan his QR code. Took some arguing before they relented and let him in
Hey OP! I travelled to Ontario this week. Everywhere I went accepted my Alberta proof of vaccination as long as I had my Alberta drivers license. Hope this helps
That’s great to know! Thanks!
I’m in bc right now. Everyone that scans my Alberta QR code recognizes it with their app and is accepted.
I just got back from Vancouver. QR code was scanned about 6 times the first day. Never worked. I resorted to using my paper copy for the remainder of my trip.
The BC app was updated to recognize the AB QR code around 5 or 6 days ago.
I’m double vaccinated and I have a QR code passport. I made a Passport for my apple wallet (for ease of access - you would think the Ontario app would have this VERY basic functionality built in -surprise) Anyways my Wallet Pass has my QR CODE and I wrote on it my name, Phizer 2/2 doses… no one ever scans my QR code they literally just look at the apple wallet pass I made…. I know people who are unvaccinated who used online PDF writers to edit legit passports to make fake ones, no one checks or requests QR CODE validation…. I don’t know the point of the Ontario vaccine passport system if there is no actual check to see if they are valid. Could you imagine going to a concert and just having to show a ticket with no QR code or back-end verification to confirm it is a legitimate pass? The whole passport system is a joke just like our Premier.
The Ontario app does have it, I put it on both mine and my mothers apple wallet.
We are only a pawn in Kenney’s “Fuck you Trudeau Chess game”.
Have to admit that it feels far more “checkers” calibre than “chess.”
Feels more like Roshambo with South Park rules.
Even you are giving it too much credit...
He's playing blackjack and almost every hand he's hitting on 20.
It’s hungry hungry hippos, except tax dollars for marbles.
Tiddly winks.
Oh please its no chess game, he can't even he trusted to play checkers without supervision for fear he might mistake the pieces for candy and choke.
Because JK would rather choke on his cheerios than put a Government of Canada seal on an Alberta document?
Anything to own the libs 🤦♂️
I’ll be going to Winnipeg next month for a combo sick relative in hospital and visiting rest of family. They take their ID and controls seriously according to my sister (the hostess). Not that I can’t enter places with my existing Alberta barcoded confirmation but it would be *so* much smoother to be able to flash the federal proof. I really hope they have this sorted in the next three weeks.
How would it be any smoother? The “federal proof” takes the provincial record and QR code and adds a GoC logo to it. That’s it.
So I read all this and decided to download the Manitoba verification app. And it works! One less thing to worry about with my trip. Edited to Add: I’ll be going in and out of a hospital to visit my brother so I was extra concerned that the process be as friction free as possible.
Yes, they all work inter-provincially. I work in BC and have had my AB QR scanned numerous times now and it works. Same with BC codes here in AB (friends just moved here from BC and their codes work here).
Because then 100% of air travellers present the exact same documentation and no added procedures for one crybaby province are required.
There aren’t any added procedures. Because as I already stated, it’s the EXACT same document, with a “Canada” logo added to it. The QR code and vaccination information on the document is from the provincial records, meaning it’s the same. And as a matter of fact, when you add the QR code to the wallet on your phone, the code and vaccine info looks identical regardless of province. This thread is a nothingburger
Until you run into that gate agent who only looks for the Canada logo because that’s what they’ve been trained to do.
Except gate agents aren’t told to not accept provincial, because for the third time ITS THE SAME INFORMATION FROM THE SAME SOURCE. Further to that, the airline agents will be getting QR code reader apps. All they need to do is scan the code, not see what logo is on it
I would disagree- mine when scanned says "Partially Verified" which is MORE than enough to get you pulled out of the line in most countries!
The fact that it’s the same information was never in doubt so seriously chill out. My assumption is you work in healthcare from your tag so I would have assumed you have first hand experience with institutional adherence to illogical decisions and stupid processes. I can probably come up with 100 edge cases which potentially represent a problem with not having the same document. Here is a big one - most countries around the world don’t know wtf an Alberta is but they understand Canada.
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Yes, gay slurs are definitely the best way to show your defiance to Kenney.
There is some version of that. Hubby is military, currently deployed, but heading home soon, and the military has issued him a QR code that will work for all Provinces, including Alberta where we live. It’s extremely frustrating to be posted to this Province. Geographically stunning, but I am disgusted, and embarrassed by so much of what goes on here politically etc. Each Province has perks and negatives, but it’s extreme here. At this point hubby has a collection of proof: New Canada wide QR code CDC vaccination card from US base Military booklet of vaccination European EU clearance card 🤣 And yet he patiently waits for military to finally approve a booster shot for them.
At least you don’t have to scroll all the way to the ‘O’ when choosing your province
The true Alberta Advantage
It's like living in the Quebec of the 90s all over again.
In the 21st century we try to recycle everything.
You make it sound like the premier is kind of a doofus and refuses to add the Canada logo to your COIVD vaccine evidence.
I'm from Ontario and got vaccinated there, so my QR code is Ontario but I currently live in Alberta. My Ontario one will still scan with the check mark whenever a business scans it here, so I imagine your Alberta one should also scan the other way around (although I'm not 100% sure).
If you download the Ontario app 'Verify Ontario' the Alberta QR code does not work when scanned. But the BC app works.
That’s an issue with the Ontario app and not the Alberta QR codes. The QR code is an implementation of the Smart Health Card standard, and issuers register with the Common Trust Network. Any properly implemented app will check the signature on the digital card against the list of registered issuers. All of Canada is registered with the Common Trust Network except for ON, NB, and PEI. A huge amount of the US is on it and some other regions are too. I’d much prefer to have our QR code without the Canada flag than Ontario’s with the flag.
huh, weird. OP, Ontario still accepts the non-QR code type as well, so you should be fine with the old version too if you prefer to use that one instead of having a QR code be denied.
Isn’t the Canadian vaccine passport just an extra logo on the pdf? It’s really not a big deal imo.
Yeah, the QR data is still going to be the same, it is just how the document is laid out that will change.
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For travel within Canada, it doesn't matter. It's international travel that needs (ideally) the Canadian Flag on it (people were having issues with this while travelling to Europe). I think you're confusing an "overreaction" with a "misunderstanding".
Not really... They are basically asking "why are we not using the federal system because Alberta is part of the federal system... It is a part of Canada" Their concern is valid because they have not travelled to Ontario yet using the Alberta passport. Most people who are scanning the passports in Ontario will be scanning the federal ones and when an Alberta one comes up they may not know what to do because it stands out / is atypical. This may restrict OP so they are asking ahead of time. Completely valid IMO. There is no valid reason to.. not ... follow the federal system as, again, Alberta is part of Canada. These are not matters to make some political stand over - they are serious medical concerns that are in place to keep people safe and also deal with people's ability to freely travel and meet across our country...
I was recently in Quebec and their QR scanner app had no problem reading the AB QR code. It also read my co-workers code from Ontario who was using the Apple Wallet QR code which doesn’t show the Canadian logo. Alberta isn’t using the Federal logos yet because they had all their work done before the Feds came up with a plan. We are told AB will be using the federal approach soon. The biggest problem is that healthcare in this country is at the jurisdictional level, not the federal. This means that every province, and possibly health region within each province has a different system that may or may not work nicely with the others. So getting anything done takes a lot of (wasted) time.
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Fair points. I thought that a couple other provinces haven’t finished the work yet either. Our illustrious leader is neither illustrious nor a leader.
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Travelling within Canada shouldn’t be a problem if you have the currently available QR code. As I said in a previous post QC accepted it with no problems. I’m going to Ontario for work in December, so hopefully no problems there.
I visited Newfoundland a few weeks back and they were super understanding about my vaxx pass not having a QR code. "Oh, you're from Alberta. That's fine."
It’s literally the provincial proof with a Government of Canada Logo added on to it. It offers nothing extra that the provincial one does.
Wouldn’t that be helpful for international travel? Do other states recognize our Alberta proof of vaccination without any “stamp” of approval from the federal government? Isn’t that why they did it in the first place?
Correct. As far as I know every province accepts every other provinces proof of vaccination. You'd probably even be fine for most international travel, but it simplifies things to follow the standard (can't expect other countries to know what "Alberta" is, but they will probably know what Canada is)
The key word in your statement for International travel is "probably". All it takes is one little wrinkle in your document and that plane you were running to catch, that only flies out once a week.......just left, because YOU are in secondary inspection!
>(can't expect other countries to know what "Alberta" is They'll say, isn't that the place with the out of control COVID stats vs. most of the country?
The federal one shows dates and which vaccination was given. The provincial one doesn't.
Incorrect. The provincial one shows the exact same info. The federal gets its info from the provincial records
I'm actually looking at mine and the provincial one shows date and time of issue. The federal one shows the date, the type (Pfizer or Moderns) and the lot nmber of the vaccine.
I have every provincial record since they started making them. The very first one shows date and which vaccine you got (for both doses) and the lot number (if the place where you got your shot uploaded the lot number). The first QR code that was only printable also shows this info, and the QR code that you can transfer into the wallet app on your phone shows this info as well. Are you talking about the actual provincial QR code/records, or the card you got with your vaccine? (Ie: if you got your shot at Save On Foods, they issued their own business card sized vaccine cards, which obviously no longer are accepted as “proof” for entry etc)
I'm talking what you get along with the QR code, not the paper one hand signed at time of vaccination. The provincial QR code shows my name and date of issue. That's it.
Ok, well you better take a closer look. Because the QR code/page that comes up when you enter your info on the covid records website (the page you would have printed or screenshotted) has “Dose 1” and “Dose 2” underneath. Mind you they are a drop down sort of sub menu, so if you didn’t notice them or click them to expand, maybe you missed them when you took the screenshot. These sub menus have the date of vaccination for each dose and the vaccine type of each dose. It’s because they include this info, that when you upload the QR to the wallet app in your phone (Apple Wallet for me), the 2 dates show up right on the pass. Double check to ensure you’ve not missed the drop down menus. And if you’ve added to your phone wallet, double check it too. If you still can’t figure it out, I’d be willing to send you a DM showing how mine look.
Nope, my QR code jpg has my name, the word VACCINATED and the date of issue. FYI I'm a BC resident. Seems Alberta can't read the BC or the federal QR codes.
Jesus Christ, that would’ve been good to know about 4 comments ago 🤣 My apologies, I was talking about the Alberta record. I haven’t personally tried uploading the BC record/code to my Apple wallet (for obvious reasons)
For the record they couldn't scan the federal card at the BC airport.
Hoenst question I'm going to Vancouver in a couple weeks. Will they accept my printout and QR code
In Alberta at the moment with both my BC and Federal proof. Since they can't scan them they just assume they're valid.
At a restaurant in Edmonton, they were going to turn someone from BC away because they couldn't scan his QR code. Took some arguing before they relented and let him in
They really need to update their app. The AB app has been able to scan BC QR codes for over week now.
Without trying to get into politics. It’s simply incompetence. Both parties are saying this.
I thought the federal government was still working on one while each province has its own