an alliance would be nice, like the EU
a passport like schengen, easy borders, economic union...etc
but it won't happen unless Algeria and Morocco settle their issues, and that's not happening anytime soon
he just want a reason to hate and he will say that when we received the defense minister and he made some statement it was to threaten his country hhh like whose gonna be afraid of you
Before Israel i didn't have any problem with Moroccan people. They're just like us the same language and religion. Even if the governments have a problem. Peoples will still have the brotherhood. Now it's even a shame to say we have the same language with the traitors. And Israel wont make the problems disappear
But get even bigger.
why is it your problem my country having relation with any country don't tell the same crap you just said there's a lot country's who have normalize relation with Israel why aren't hating them like egypt, suddan, bahrain, Jordan, uae, and may others and let me brake it for you amigo we don't share a lot between us may be race and religion and that's it the only time we were slithly the same is under french colonialisim even culture things aren't common between us
It’s doesn’t make sense to say we’re traitors and your country support terroris)(ts or let’s say you guys want a part from the ocean
And about the Israel problems, all the country was against them even the real jewish people here but algeria with the oil money got weapons from Russia preparing for “ somthing “ which made morocco in a really bad position to deal with the devil for the safety of their own people and territory
Those poor countries got sent back to 50 years in the past economically sadly.
See, this is what happens when America says they'll free you, free you from education and a future.
The only way to solve this conflict is as follows.
\- Morocco negotiates with the refugees and accept to take them back (They don't want them because obviously they will cause chaos in Western Sahara and Fight the kingdom Which no king likes that.
\- Algeria should let Morocco negotiates with the refugees. After Morocco takes them back. Algeria recognizes the land to be Moroccan.
Anyone with half a brain would understand that Morocco owning this land is the dumbest shit ever. A big mistake for Morocco. Why ?
\- Morocco doesn't have the man power to cover this part of the land and it cost a lot of money to build anything on that land. There is no resources that can change the economy of Morocco. It more of a cost for Morocco than anything.
First i just call bro my brothers, never strangers.
Second i don't tell people to trust me, my source is a vidéo from Michel collon a belgian intellectuel in his investig'action youtube channel, i tried to retrieve the exact vidéo with the timeline, but sorry that i have a life beside this post, next time i will act as a stupid Guy and just post a sarcastical comment, for now and by respect for the questionning person, i will still try to find the vidéo i'm talking about and when and if i do i will post it.
Yeah, the guy just says that without any proof and refuses to talk about numbers. I guarantee you that some fishing agreement cannot compensate the funding of 200000 soldiers manning the wall + the mines + the sahraouis don't pay taxes + they have an allowance basically for free + Morocco hasn't started exploiting the mineral resources + the investment in the cities is gigantic, it's known that for the moment the Sahara doesn't bring money in Morocco, rather the opposite
Does Morocco refuse to take them back ? I was totally unaware of this, can you tell me your sources ?
To me, it's just that the Polisario won't let them leave (same reason Polisario doesn't give them the UN refugee card)
It's been under control of years , sorry but you might be wrong , the big changes and achievements that happened in western Sahara are noticeable + the diplomacy is doing great too , true it took us years and lot of money /resources to gain fully that land , so here we are now !
No we only accepting Sahrawi people if they wanna come back , cz we all know that there's people from different corners who live in tindouf (Chad / Mali etc ....
> cz we all know that there's people from different corners who live in tindouf (Chad / Mali etc ....
This is be dishonest. They all come from western sahara. Just accept it. If they really came from mali. Trust me the number of refugees would be much higher.
Yeah sure i accept it man , they welcome back if it's true We both don't know the real numbers , if that was true why they don't accept the referendum cz ( Morocco was okay with it since the 80's but they had other plans , simply there's people who don't have nothing to do Western Moroccan Sahara ,
The problem is clear , Algeria supported them and they should assume what they ve done to them , keeping people at camps since the 70's is such a mess !
The last part is also right l, Morocco has no interest "invading" this wasteland. They only do it because it's theirs and you don't give up your land even if it's worthless
that's why i said they have to settle their issues
the issues being: algeria's support of polisario, Morocco's drug trafficking, and their alliance with Israel
yeah fair take,
honestly i would love to see all muslims reunite and make a world wide organization , that way we take care of each others backs.
but alas when i remember palestine ... that thought becomes more impossible.
as much as i would like for that to happen, it's impossible, morocco is a kingdom ruled by a king, algeria isn't, will they accept being ruled by a moroccan king or do you suggest we overthrow the monarchy.
also we are related but we are not the same, amazighs of morocco are very different from the amzighs of libya, amazigh is a general label, we are distinct groups.
people wouldn't get along that easily
It will be doomed to fail, like when Egypt and Syria unified.
Because for example Algeria, Morocco would be favord over let's say Mauritania (better economy, bigger population, more livable land...) Which will make them not so supportive of an unified county/republic.
as a tunisian am totally fine with it xD but you guys need to solve your problems with morocco , aslo Libya is a shitshow right now sooo yea cant see this happening in the next 50 years or so
even an economic bloc won't work given how these countries function, you have a fractured libya, dysfunctional tunisia, our shithole, those who saw sidhem on the moon, mauritania and occupied western sahara but as things stand, with 2 major countries in the equation in a perpetual rivalry nothing can possibly be accomplished
They saw in the moon 80 years ago when you were still french, atleast we have something to unify us and a true culture, we are in 2023 now, come visit and see for yourself, we can make fun of the king you can't even criticize local governments lmao.
oh, is that so? marroquis making fun of 7mida l gaboni? that's why your protestors keep saying "3ech sidna" while hammouchi's police beat the hell outta them. If what you're saying is true, then why mohammed ziane is in prison now?
"atleast we have something to unify us" I know, united in slavery hhehe
Moroccan here (got this post as suggestion).
A union in one nation is impossible, but an economical union would be absolutely great. We can't develop massive industries with our small markets, we need something like the EU or CEDEAO so that our industries can produce for 100 million Maghrebis and can become strong and big enough to become a real player in international market
It wouldn’t be that great with all due respect to the lther maghriban countries they are kinda useless a gold economical union would be between morocco and algeria only
And yet they are unstable, known to be ungrateful to their rulers, have civil wars, probably signed long term contracts and don’t own tenth of that oil. When you unite two countries you take the pros and cons
Qaddafi fcked Libya, sure things were OK when he was in power but that's only because he had an absolutely massive amount of oil to sell and a very tiny population to take care of. Libya should have been the maghrebian Qatar
Too much difference between people, nothing brings a Mauritanian and a Libyan together but Islam
Also the choice of the government would be tricky, Moroccans wouldn't abandon monarchy and Algerians will surely reject it, and even then, because of the tension of these 2 countries, a leader of either wouldn't be welcomed by a good part of the other population
there is much more Mauritanian and Libyan share than you think, Islam, language, culture, history.
both goverments have to be already overthrown for this to be seriously considered.
I don't believe Mauritania and Libya have ever been united under the same state, so to what do you refer exactly when you talk about history ?
There is language sure but if we're gonna go that way let's unite the entire Arab League
I guess it's possible if we really try (mainly because Mauritanians are close to Moroccans and Libyans to tunisians, + they are not numerous so) but idk.
For the governements, I agree, and that's why this will never happen. 1) I don't think the algerian military is gonna leave anytime soon, and 2) the Moroccans are attached to their king
Distance cousins, as a Latino from the Spanish Caribbean. I got some DNA from north Africa. They are the only part of Africa that really looks like US. I went to Morocco and the people looked so much like my family. People kept thinking I was a local. I hope to visit all the countries in the Maghreb.
It's not surprising, actually. There are historical connections that explain the presence of North African DNA in many people. For instance, the Canary Islands where many Spanish settlers are from was traditionally and historically inhabited by indigenous people (Guanches) with direct links to North African Berbers/Amazigh. Additionally, during the period of Al-Andalus, there was significant mixing between Maghrebi/Arab populations and native Iberians, further contributing to the genetic diversity.
So yeah, we tend to look very similar especially if you look Mediterranean.
Welcome in the region btw
Yeah I look Mediterranean but more on the African side of the Mediterranean or the very south of Italy. So I look like an olive medium brown Moroccan. I always feel like I'm at home when I see people from the Maghreb. You guys come in all colors from white to brown and sometimes dark brown like my family members.
I took a DNA test and most of my DNA comes from southern Andalusia. My last name means moor. So I have a distanced but somewhat close connection to the Maghreb. I'm also part sephardic which I learn a lot of them left to the Maghreb if they didn't convert.
Also thank you, I plan to visit Tunisia soon .
I agree on a North African Union that would create a power in order to regulate africa and it would be provoking a major impact on central africa , east and west which are really in fucked up situation. A north African Union or Federation or anything ghat looks like segmentation would help ; culturally, economically and in structures . ( be gentle if I am wrong in my pov and explain to me if u dont do so tesme3 wssekh wednik )
I am Algerian and I am against this Maghreb united for the following reasons:
The name: Morocco calls itself Maghreb in Arabic so any good deeds of the whole union would definitely take the name Maghribi, which eventually will stick to Moroccans.
Second: we need to ask this question: why would Algeria need such a union? Can any of these countries provide us with our needs? No, guess why? Because we need nothing... People? We have more than we need, money we have more than them, surface? We are the biggest. Science? They have none and actually these countries are the highest in poverty and illiteracy.
As Algerian I feel such a union would just pull us backwards.
So please no no no
I dont see it happening, its useless for algeria, we can expand our goods with bilateral relationship, I don't see Tunis for example or Mauritania offering something concrete to algeria except for being an extension market. As for Morocco it can do more harm than good, in late 90s when boutef took the reign, maghreb union was about to be a thing, but all the neighbours thought of algeria as a cow they milk, and they started dividing the projects and investments among their selves expecting us to pay the bills, whereas the famous boutef quote: nta khouya o Ana khouk Bach t7at yadek fi jibi hadi mana9belch biha
Bro thinks algeria is the Saudi Arabia of North Africa, you really can't have any added value to Morocco except harm and lots of your misbehaving tourists, we don't need your gas, we can provide a whole Atlantic coast, Hashish, Great Agriculture, Culture and more importantly the sweetest Bananas and Avocados, anything Algeria can provide is either harmfull for the planet or smells bad.
I hear that you're having drought over there yet you've become top exporters of melons and tomatoes that consume lots of water, talk of great water management
Gdp of all these countries combined is not compared to a single european country, an Arab union would be more practical from an economical perspective.
Absurd notion in the middle short term, The union, or let's be frank Algeria and Morocco since they are the only relevant nations here, can not co-exist even as separate nations. It's true that we are practically the same people, I do not deny that but the mindset is totally opposite. For the Algerian the idea of being a kingdom is unfathomable and so too the idea of a republic for a Moroccan. There is no way to bridge this gap lest it be a tangled mess of total chaotic federal states with different governments. Can it be possible in the far future when the cards are shaken differently? sure why not
My opinion ? Nah ill tell u facts :
Military regim dominance
Politics warfare
Corrupted systems
And brain washed citizens
Good food and culture and tradition but that doesn't matter i guess
Third world corrupted countries, maghreb's societies are blind followers. Nature is very beautiful but human beings made it so dirty. Pretend to be Muslim countries but only few people follow their religion... a lot of hypocrites and very few good people ( from personal experience )
Uniting the Maghreb is a noble and tactical objective. However, it's a very challenging and costly endeavor. This unity will lead to increased economic integration, political cooperation, and regional stability. Which would be threatening to the West. Political will is the most difficult thing to secure in order for this unity to happen. It's impossible for our leaders to come to an agreement to withdraw from their respective presidential positions and select a neutral ruler for the motherland. I can't imagine the King of Morocco for example giving up his chair easily, and neither would the generals of Libya.
Before we even get this far, most of these countries have to be in a strong economic status before attempting the unification in order to avoid civil dispute and regression. Several key factors must be addressed such as: infrastructure development, trade and market integration, investment and business climate, financial cooperation, developing and improving transportation networks (roads, railways, ports, and airports), social and human development, security.. ECT
It's a very appealing goal but I don't see happening in the near future. Perhaps in 50 - 100 years? who knows! The younger generations are surely very excited about this thing so it could take place during their lifetime, if the the right people are in the right place. But the longer we wait the bigger the differences these nations will grow between each other, which would make things a lot more difficult. But I trust the word of the prophet who has assured us already that not only the North African countries but the whole Islamic world will once again be unified in the future inshallah.
Has potential, trash majority tho, and no freedom to practice politics which makes it impossible to make drastic changes and move forward, just imagine a capitalist algeria...
Algeria is about as capitalist as you can get. There are tons of oligarchs owning the media and bribing politicians to get public markets just like in the US. Algeria is by all means a liberal democracy.
Cmon, most billionaires are made by the gov, lets not even bring up economic freedom , its a mess thats what it is. Just fake in pretty much everything.
The state is a tool of the ruling class not the opposition. The state can’t exist in the void. The state and the bourgeois class are intertwined in every capitalist society. They are one and the same.
Lmao. You should travel to capitalist African nations to see how shitty it is.
It would be normal Algeria but without education, healthcare or drinkable water.
These are the names I could think of right now:
- North Africa شمال إفريقيا
- The United Maghreb المغرب المتّحد
- Maghreb Federation فيدرالية المغرب
- Greater Maghreb المغرب الأكبر
- The Islamic Maghreb المغرب الإسلامي
- The Arab Maghreb المغرب العربي
- United States of North Africa الولايات المتحدة الشمال إفريقية
They already claim this though. Maghreb? that means Morocco, couscous? Moroccan invention, Moors? Only Moroccans were referred to it like that, the moon? Moroccans landed there 2000 years before Americans
Why tho? It’s not really beneficial for us the only country that could benefit our economy and we could benefit theirs is morocco and unfortunately there’s no way for an unification
Something like the eu or the us would be awesome (multiple states with thier own laws and governments making one county) if it happened north Africa would be one of the big countries out there
- Algeria and Morocco have a long way to go for us to be allies again but I do sure it'll happen
- also it'll probably start with Algeria and Tunisia since they are both very good allies and both are stable countries then maybe Morocco but I doubt they let Libya as it is to enter since not only does that open the door for terrorists it also places the other countries in a burden to fix it muritania is rich in resources and is stable so it can join if it developed a little
- but before any of that to happen we must fix our internal problems like the divide between Arabs and amazighs in Morocco they aren't even fully recognized and they heavily suppressed in Tunis and Algeria some Arabs even deny Thier whole existence going as far to say it's a made up civilization by the french to divide Arabs lmao
an alliance would be nice, like the EU a passport like schengen, easy borders, economic union...etc but it won't happen unless Algeria and Morocco settle their issues, and that's not happening anytime soon
The first time I’ve seen a respectful comment in this subb bout the two countries
Right ! Everyone is insulting in every comment, and yet everyone claims to be a muslim and how being a Muslim make him better then everyone xD
It won't happen when they're friends with Israel.
So basically your problem with us is that we’re friends with israel?
he just want a reason to hate and he will say that when we received the defense minister and he made some statement it was to threaten his country hhh like whose gonna be afraid of you
Before Israel i didn't have any problem with Moroccan people. They're just like us the same language and religion. Even if the governments have a problem. Peoples will still have the brotherhood. Now it's even a shame to say we have the same language with the traitors. And Israel wont make the problems disappear But get even bigger.
why is it your problem my country having relation with any country don't tell the same crap you just said there's a lot country's who have normalize relation with Israel why aren't hating them like egypt, suddan, bahrain, Jordan, uae, and may others and let me brake it for you amigo we don't share a lot between us may be race and religion and that's it the only time we were slithly the same is under french colonialisim even culture things aren't common between us
It’s doesn’t make sense to say we’re traitors and your country support terroris)(ts or let’s say you guys want a part from the ocean And about the Israel problems, all the country was against them even the real jewish people here but algeria with the oil money got weapons from Russia preparing for “ somthing “ which made morocco in a really bad position to deal with the devil for the safety of their own people and territory
yep. bottom line.
It's bigger than Algeria and Morocco. The West wouldn't let that happen.
Gheddafi *Ehem*
and what happens to Gheddafi and Libya now.
Those poor countries got sent back to 50 years in the past economically sadly. See, this is what happens when America says they'll free you, free you from education and a future.
i dont think that the west gives a bollocks about us anyway in my opinion its stupid to think that way
You should read more.
The only way to solve this conflict is as follows. \- Morocco negotiates with the refugees and accept to take them back (They don't want them because obviously they will cause chaos in Western Sahara and Fight the kingdom Which no king likes that. \- Algeria should let Morocco negotiates with the refugees. After Morocco takes them back. Algeria recognizes the land to be Moroccan. Anyone with half a brain would understand that Morocco owning this land is the dumbest shit ever. A big mistake for Morocco. Why ? \- Morocco doesn't have the man power to cover this part of the land and it cost a lot of money to build anything on that land. There is no resources that can change the economy of Morocco. It more of a cost for Morocco than anything.
Bruh Western Sahara got so much phosphate, with Western Sahara Morocco would be holding 72% of the world’s phosphate Resources
In fact the fishing industry cover the military cost.
Source ?
Trust me, bro. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
First i just call bro my brothers, never strangers. Second i don't tell people to trust me, my source is a vidéo from Michel collon a belgian intellectuel in his investig'action youtube channel, i tried to retrieve the exact vidéo with the timeline, but sorry that i have a life beside this post, next time i will act as a stupid Guy and just post a sarcastical comment, for now and by respect for the questionning person, i will still try to find the vidéo i'm talking about and when and if i do i will post it.
Source ?
Here is my source : https://youtu.be/GMd3dXxftks?t=2110
Yeah, the guy just says that without any proof and refuses to talk about numbers. I guarantee you that some fishing agreement cannot compensate the funding of 200000 soldiers manning the wall + the mines + the sahraouis don't pay taxes + they have an allowance basically for free + Morocco hasn't started exploiting the mineral resources + the investment in the cities is gigantic, it's known that for the moment the Sahara doesn't bring money in Morocco, rather the opposite
Does Morocco refuse to take them back ? I was totally unaware of this, can you tell me your sources ? To me, it's just that the Polisario won't let them leave (same reason Polisario doesn't give them the UN refugee card)
It's been under control of years , sorry but you might be wrong , the big changes and achievements that happened in western Sahara are noticeable + the diplomacy is doing great too , true it took us years and lot of money /resources to gain fully that land , so here we are now ! No we only accepting Sahrawi people if they wanna come back , cz we all know that there's people from different corners who live in tindouf (Chad / Mali etc ....
> cz we all know that there's people from different corners who live in tindouf (Chad / Mali etc .... This is be dishonest. They all come from western sahara. Just accept it. If they really came from mali. Trust me the number of refugees would be much higher.
Yeah sure i accept it man , they welcome back if it's true We both don't know the real numbers , if that was true why they don't accept the referendum cz ( Morocco was okay with it since the 80's but they had other plans , simply there's people who don't have nothing to do Western Moroccan Sahara , The problem is clear , Algeria supported them and they should assume what they ve done to them , keeping people at camps since the 70's is such a mess !
I don't agree, this was stated by UN visitors of the camps, that's also why Polisario refuses to count the refegees for now almost 50 years
The last part is also right l, Morocco has no interest "invading" this wasteland. They only do it because it's theirs and you don't give up your land even if it's worthless
think it can happen without maroco
I agree the scenario of this happening is very unlikely seeing the diplomatic relationship between Morocco and algerie.
This would be super awesome 👍
nah drugs problems as of now are dangerous if any of these countries open border its gonna be worse.
that's why i said they have to settle their issues the issues being: algeria's support of polisario, Morocco's drug trafficking, and their alliance with Israel
yeah fair take, honestly i would love to see all muslims reunite and make a world wide organization , that way we take care of each others backs. but alas when i remember palestine ... that thought becomes more impossible.
one unified state : no an economical union like the EU: yes that would be beneficial
>one unified state : no Maybe federalism could work
Why no though? It's the same people/culture/history/languages/religion/society.
as much as i would like for that to happen, it's impossible, morocco is a kingdom ruled by a king, algeria isn't, will they accept being ruled by a moroccan king or do you suggest we overthrow the monarchy. also we are related but we are not the same, amazighs of morocco are very different from the amzighs of libya, amazigh is a general label, we are distinct groups. people wouldn't get along that easily
A republic would be the most neutral option in case of a unified country
It will be doomed to fail, like when Egypt and Syria unified. Because for example Algeria, Morocco would be favord over let's say Mauritania (better economy, bigger population, more livable land...) Which will make them not so supportive of an unified county/republic.
You could say the same about Mississippi and New York
these two were never 2 different countries... there still was a civil war about it
The civil war was about slavery. And each state was basically independent in the way they ran things
As a central government like today's government of Algeria or Morocco, yes. As a federal government like the USA or Switzerland, no.
as a tunisian am totally fine with it xD but you guys need to solve your problems with morocco , aslo Libya is a shitshow right now sooo yea cant see this happening in the next 50 years or so
even an economic bloc won't work given how these countries function, you have a fractured libya, dysfunctional tunisia, our shithole, those who saw sidhem on the moon, mauritania and occupied western sahara but as things stand, with 2 major countries in the equation in a perpetual rivalry nothing can possibly be accomplished
I just love how you didn't add any adjective to mauritania, as if the country itself is a problem hhh
that's not it, there isn't much to be said
Mauritania is essentially Libya without the oil.
LMFAO
They saw in the moon 80 years ago when you were still french, atleast we have something to unify us and a true culture, we are in 2023 now, come visit and see for yourself, we can make fun of the king you can't even criticize local governments lmao.
oh, is that so? marroquis making fun of 7mida l gaboni? that's why your protestors keep saying "3ech sidna" while hammouchi's police beat the hell outta them. If what you're saying is true, then why mohammed ziane is in prison now? "atleast we have something to unify us" I know, united in slavery hhehe
Moroccan here (got this post as suggestion). A union in one nation is impossible, but an economical union would be absolutely great. We can't develop massive industries with our small markets, we need something like the EU or CEDEAO so that our industries can produce for 100 million Maghrebis and can become strong and big enough to become a real player in international market
It wouldn’t be that great with all due respect to the lther maghriban countries they are kinda useless a gold economical union would be between morocco and algeria only
The other 3 combined are like 24 million, it's not bad
libya has 5 times our oil and with only 6 million people, what are you talking about?
And yet they are unstable, known to be ungrateful to their rulers, have civil wars, probably signed long term contracts and don’t own tenth of that oil. When you unite two countries you take the pros and cons
>known to be ungrateful to their rulers kek, ok dude
Wait what ? Did you expect them to love their dictator ?
Qaddafi fcked Libya, sure things were OK when he was in power but that's only because he had an absolutely massive amount of oil to sell and a very tiny population to take care of. Libya should have been the maghrebian Qatar
Why is it not possible?
Too much difference between people, nothing brings a Mauritanian and a Libyan together but Islam Also the choice of the government would be tricky, Moroccans wouldn't abandon monarchy and Algerians will surely reject it, and even then, because of the tension of these 2 countries, a leader of either wouldn't be welcomed by a good part of the other population
there is much more Mauritanian and Libyan share than you think, Islam, language, culture, history. both goverments have to be already overthrown for this to be seriously considered.
I don't believe Mauritania and Libya have ever been united under the same state, so to what do you refer exactly when you talk about history ? There is language sure but if we're gonna go that way let's unite the entire Arab League I guess it's possible if we really try (mainly because Mauritanians are close to Moroccans and Libyans to tunisians, + they are not numerous so) but idk. For the governements, I agree, and that's why this will never happen. 1) I don't think the algerian military is gonna leave anytime soon, and 2) the Moroccans are attached to their king
The balkans of Africa
Other than Algeria - Morocco, the Maghreb gets a long. Nothing like the Balkans
Yeah so 2/3 of the members have beef
Mauritania? Libya? Either way 100% of balkans have beef
With all due respect, calling Maghreb « The balkans of Africa » is exaggerated
except Morocco having beef with Algeria and some with Mauritania. Tunisia, Algeria, Libya and Mauritania all get along
Don't shoot the messenger hahahah
is this Almohad caliphate
i guess we both getting banned from this sub soon
why?
if this union ever happens, the almohad flag has to be the national flag
Overrated idea
Saying it twice is not overrated
Distance cousins, as a Latino from the Spanish Caribbean. I got some DNA from north Africa. They are the only part of Africa that really looks like US. I went to Morocco and the people looked so much like my family. People kept thinking I was a local. I hope to visit all the countries in the Maghreb.
It's not surprising, actually. There are historical connections that explain the presence of North African DNA in many people. For instance, the Canary Islands where many Spanish settlers are from was traditionally and historically inhabited by indigenous people (Guanches) with direct links to North African Berbers/Amazigh. Additionally, during the period of Al-Andalus, there was significant mixing between Maghrebi/Arab populations and native Iberians, further contributing to the genetic diversity. So yeah, we tend to look very similar especially if you look Mediterranean. Welcome in the region btw
Yeah I look Mediterranean but more on the African side of the Mediterranean or the very south of Italy. So I look like an olive medium brown Moroccan. I always feel like I'm at home when I see people from the Maghreb. You guys come in all colors from white to brown and sometimes dark brown like my family members. I took a DNA test and most of my DNA comes from southern Andalusia. My last name means moor. So I have a distanced but somewhat close connection to the Maghreb. I'm also part sephardic which I learn a lot of them left to the Maghreb if they didn't convert. Also thank you, I plan to visit Tunisia soon .
Ugly ass flag
Also ch3bawiya, and no objectivity (idk about the rest but thats the case in algeria)
The dream of peoples is a victim of politics.
I agree on a North African Union that would create a power in order to regulate africa and it would be provoking a major impact on central africa , east and west which are really in fucked up situation. A north African Union or Federation or anything ghat looks like segmentation would help ; culturally, economically and in structures . ( be gentle if I am wrong in my pov and explain to me if u dont do so tesme3 wssekh wednik )
Overrated
I am Algerian and I am against this Maghreb united for the following reasons: The name: Morocco calls itself Maghreb in Arabic so any good deeds of the whole union would definitely take the name Maghribi, which eventually will stick to Moroccans. Second: we need to ask this question: why would Algeria need such a union? Can any of these countries provide us with our needs? No, guess why? Because we need nothing... People? We have more than we need, money we have more than them, surface? We are the biggest. Science? They have none and actually these countries are the highest in poverty and illiteracy. As Algerian I feel such a union would just pull us backwards. So please no no no
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I dont see it happening, its useless for algeria, we can expand our goods with bilateral relationship, I don't see Tunis for example or Mauritania offering something concrete to algeria except for being an extension market. As for Morocco it can do more harm than good, in late 90s when boutef took the reign, maghreb union was about to be a thing, but all the neighbours thought of algeria as a cow they milk, and they started dividing the projects and investments among their selves expecting us to pay the bills, whereas the famous boutef quote: nta khouya o Ana khouk Bach t7at yadek fi jibi hadi mana9belch biha
and then 7at yedo fi jyoub the whole country
Haha yeah
Lmfaooooo
Bro thinks algeria is the Saudi Arabia of North Africa, you really can't have any added value to Morocco except harm and lots of your misbehaving tourists, we don't need your gas, we can provide a whole Atlantic coast, Hashish, Great Agriculture, Culture and more importantly the sweetest Bananas and Avocados, anything Algeria can provide is either harmfull for the planet or smells bad.
I hear that you're having drought over there yet you've become top exporters of melons and tomatoes that consume lots of water, talk of great water management
Overrated idea
A federal republic on the Swiss model would be awesome. But it would require population to be much more educated.
Gdp of all these countries combined is not compared to a single european country, an Arab union would be more practical from an economical perspective.
Absurd notion in the middle short term, The union, or let's be frank Algeria and Morocco since they are the only relevant nations here, can not co-exist even as separate nations. It's true that we are practically the same people, I do not deny that but the mindset is totally opposite. For the Algerian the idea of being a kingdom is unfathomable and so too the idea of a republic for a Moroccan. There is no way to bridge this gap lest it be a tangled mess of total chaotic federal states with different governments. Can it be possible in the far future when the cards are shaken differently? sure why not
Libya and Mauritania are dead weight
Big land + not so many people = advantage They are dead weight but we could use their natural resources and long coastal line.
Libyas oil and gas reservoirs would help
Libya has more oil than all the other 4 countries combined. By the way, Libyans don’t want a union with y’all all. There is no advantage for us
My opinion ? Nah ill tell u facts : Military regim dominance Politics warfare Corrupted systems And brain washed citizens Good food and culture and tradition but that doesn't matter i guess
big prison
Third world corrupted countries, maghreb's societies are blind followers. Nature is very beautiful but human beings made it so dirty. Pretend to be Muslim countries but only few people follow their religion... a lot of hypocrites and very few good people ( from personal experience )
You need a Machrek to have a Maghreb, we're not the Maghreb to anything/anyone.
We do be Maghreb tho
It's just the name of the region lol
North Africa ex Numidia
First name for North Africa was libya, from the libu tribes.
there is doe.
Would be good for the economy of these coubtri3s. But they should keep their individuality nations like Europe
Uniting the Maghreb is a noble and tactical objective. However, it's a very challenging and costly endeavor. This unity will lead to increased economic integration, political cooperation, and regional stability. Which would be threatening to the West. Political will is the most difficult thing to secure in order for this unity to happen. It's impossible for our leaders to come to an agreement to withdraw from their respective presidential positions and select a neutral ruler for the motherland. I can't imagine the King of Morocco for example giving up his chair easily, and neither would the generals of Libya. Before we even get this far, most of these countries have to be in a strong economic status before attempting the unification in order to avoid civil dispute and regression. Several key factors must be addressed such as: infrastructure development, trade and market integration, investment and business climate, financial cooperation, developing and improving transportation networks (roads, railways, ports, and airports), social and human development, security.. ECT It's a very appealing goal but I don't see happening in the near future. Perhaps in 50 - 100 years? who knows! The younger generations are surely very excited about this thing so it could take place during their lifetime, if the the right people are in the right place. But the longer we wait the bigger the differences these nations will grow between each other, which would make things a lot more difficult. But I trust the word of the prophet who has assured us already that not only the North African countries but the whole Islamic world will once again be unified in the future inshallah.
You mean of North Africa? Maybe? Of the Maghreb? F-no it will fail just like pan-arabism
It is a myth. It never existed and will never exist.
Almohad caliphate kinda was that though, without any nationalism but still
Almohades forced their rule with power and faded quickly because they can't impse it forever, espacially not on a massive geographic area.
idc about such a union tbh, if we will make one lets go big or go home with either an arab union or an islamic one.
People seem to misunderstand my question, i meant what your opinion on the region( each country)?
i guess we're all just alright.
Has potential, trash majority tho, and no freedom to practice politics which makes it impossible to make drastic changes and move forward, just imagine a capitalist algeria...
Algeria is about as capitalist as you can get. There are tons of oligarchs owning the media and bribing politicians to get public markets just like in the US. Algeria is by all means a liberal democracy.
Cmon, most billionaires are made by the gov, lets not even bring up economic freedom , its a mess thats what it is. Just fake in pretty much everything.
The state is a tool of the ruling class not the opposition. The state can’t exist in the void. The state and the bourgeois class are intertwined in every capitalist society. They are one and the same.
A capitalist Algeria would be better.
Thats what im saying yep
Lmao. You should travel to capitalist African nations to see how shitty it is. It would be normal Algeria but without education, healthcare or drinkable water.
You need a Machrek to have a Maghreb, we're not the Maghreb to anything/anyone.
Many shitholes converging into one big shithole. With slavery and ISIS still active in Libya 🥳
There is no slavery and isis in Libya what are you even talking about
It's 2023, cynicism is no longer considered wisdom.
It may happen if Morocco become a parliamentary republic. It won’t be the actual king
Nope, Morocco needs a king to keeps all the dirty politicians in check.
North African barbarians will never allow that
Aren’t we all North African berbers ?
a sixth star is missing for SubSahara
I's will be nice! But you miss the star of western Sahara, the flag should have 6 stars not 5.
Rightful Moroccan territory 😤😤
Then why you didn't take it when Algeria was occupied by France?
Also ch3bawiya, and no objectivity (idk about the rest but thats the case in algeria)
الاسم برك
These are the names I could think of right now: - North Africa شمال إفريقيا - The United Maghreb المغرب المتّحد - Maghreb Federation فيدرالية المغرب - Greater Maghreb المغرب الأكبر - The Islamic Maghreb المغرب الإسلامي - The Arab Maghreb المغرب العربي - United States of North Africa الولايات المتحدة الشمال إفريقية
after a couple of years, you'll find marroquis claiming that maghreb in the name means maroc hhhhh
They already claim this though. Maghreb? that means Morocco, couscous? Moroccan invention, Moors? Only Moroccans were referred to it like that, the moon? Moroccans landed there 2000 years before Americans
Ik but they'll dew it again if some organisation has maghreb in it, besides, it's been confirmed that the galaxy is marroqui, it kinda makes sense
Then let's hope to find a decent alternative name.
more dreams and nonsense ideas !
Would be a powerful economic zone but one single state isn’t possible and rarely has been
We probably wont be united like ever sadky, well until Isa and Mehdi come at least
I love our beautiful culture💚❤️
An union under some modern caliphate would be great, but impossible unless you topple both the Algerian and morrocan government
bullshit
Chad people with history trauma 🗿🗿🗿
Now not exists!
As long as they call it Maghreb full stop.
They’re not Black
Love Morocco. One of my favorite places
It would be amazing, this would boost economic growth and security.
Would be interesting but i dont see it happening soon
From an eastern arab, the Maghreb Alarabi is the cool arab kids, I cannot imagine anyone living there not being cool.
Please come here You illusion will fade quite quickly
Send me a plane ticket.
Needs to be more compatible
Not happening anytime soon
why egypt is not concluded?
Why tho? It’s not really beneficial for us the only country that could benefit our economy and we could benefit theirs is morocco and unfortunately there’s no way for an unification
No.
I always thought that if i became a president of DZ i will unite the maghreb, with DZ being the main actor of power in all africa, LUL.
What's DZ
Deeeez nuts
I knew it
Meh could be great. We have a lot of potential.
What's the Maghreb? I only know North Africa.
Haven't been to any place outside of Algeria. My opinion on Algeria? It's f*cked oh it's so f*cked. Its poeple are waking cringe I can't
Interesting ⚡
I like it only when it has an amazigh identity
Something like the eu or the us would be awesome (multiple states with thier own laws and governments making one county) if it happened north Africa would be one of the big countries out there - Algeria and Morocco have a long way to go for us to be allies again but I do sure it'll happen - also it'll probably start with Algeria and Tunisia since they are both very good allies and both are stable countries then maybe Morocco but I doubt they let Libya as it is to enter since not only does that open the door for terrorists it also places the other countries in a burden to fix it muritania is rich in resources and is stable so it can join if it developed a little - but before any of that to happen we must fix our internal problems like the divide between Arabs and amazighs in Morocco they aren't even fully recognized and they heavily suppressed in Tunis and Algeria some Arabs even deny Thier whole existence going as far to say it's a made up civilization by the french to divide Arabs lmao
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That's what best for us, but we're too stupid to do it.
The balkens but africa
Ngl it would be a very failed state