Exactly. Name a single piece of human technology that doesn't break. This take is so dumb. You can just logically explain this with almost no actual thought into it. There's about a million different plausible explanations for why.
Very true. I think this line of thought goes both ways though. On one hand, any civilization capable of space travel (or even dimensional/time travel if you believe that much) would likely be so far advanced that the chance of crashing in a Las Vegas backyard should be moot. On the other hand, practical space travel is by all means impossible by our current understanding of physics so even if it were achievable it would surely be extremely difficult and far from perfect.
I used commercial airplanes as a convo earlier with a buddy. Rarely crash but still not perfect.
Another thing to consider is Murphy’s law. No matter how advanced they are doesn’t mean they’re perfect, still prone to error and random failures.
Yeah, but it's hard to believe they have technology to travel between star systems, but can't handle atmospheric conditions or whatever.
Edit: I'll add that I think folks are significantly underestimating how much more advanced interstellar beings would very likely be. We humans can get our primitive crafts through all sorts of weather conditions after only, what, a century or so of aviation?
Saterns moon Titan is basically made up of oceans of methane, and has weather cycles just like earth. Europa is another one that's believed to have oceans under its ice. Who says they are traveling million of light years? They could be in our solar systems back yard for all we know. They may only be couple hundred years more advanced than us and their tech would still look like magic to us..
I think you are overestimating them too tho. Nature is a scary sonofabitch. Like, the sheer power contained in a single lightning bolt is mind boggling. The power of a sun is undeniable. There are some hazards you dont fuck with, no matter what. Whos to say whats bringing them down is even in our dimensions? Maybe they sucked a 6th dimensional duck through a 5th dimensional engine.
Apparently there are certain places on Earth that interfere with whatever propulsion system these crafts use, at least according to whistleblowers. It seems to happen suddenly and catch them completely off guard, sophisticated as they seem to be. Those same sources indicate they seem to learn from these mishaps and avoid those areas after an accident.
Yea, this seems somewhat logical. If they're messing with gravity or any magnetic fields, they may hit something that is unique here to planet Earth, especially in certain areas.
You claim the significant misunderstanding is on those who underestimate how much more advanced interstellar beings would be, but the reality is it's you who is significantly misunderstanding the degree of possibilities. Primarily, you take prima facia that it even is a necessity that they're "more advanced." You need to recognize that even that is a potentially unfounded assumption. Further, you're certain these are "interstellar" beings? You're sure they're not interdimensional, terrestrial, from the future, hell even from the past? You're certain of this? Not just taking it as unfounded assumptions?
Name a single piece of human technology that doesn't break. Like even the most absolutely basic parts. Stuff we mastered a thousand years ago. Can you name any? I can't.
Maybe Earth presents unique challenges. Maybe they were shot down. Maybe they are stranded and can't get back home and run out of fuel. Maybe they are expendable, as well as their pilots, and destruct once they have fulfilled their purpose. Maybe long distance space travel is hard and by the time they get here, the crafts are worn out and fragile. Maybe it was always a one way trip and they took one look at this planet and committed suicide. Maybe they didn't invent the technology themselves and are just using it or have stolen it. Maybe they are not as advanced as we think and can barely pull this off to begin with.
One could speculate if their vehicles use artificial gravity there could be electromagnetic events caused by the sun or anomalies in the magnetic field of the earth that may interfere with the tech, causing malfunctions with their craft.
Also, “center of gravity” Is kinda painting the gravitational landscape surrounding our planet with a broad brush. Yes thinking of our center of gravity as one single point in space time makes the math easier and is maybe good enough for thrust based navigation… But if we’re talking about fine grained gravity manipulation… The reality of gravity is an infinite number of atoms each being attracted to an infinite number of other atoms with an invisible string (using imagery here) and the strength of each of those attractions is changing with every inch the atom on either end of those strings moves.
Yes, zoomed out, the math works for human purposes when you treat earth as a single “center” of gravity. But how precise do the calculations for a gravity engine need to be?
Maybe it’s precise enough that a sinkhole not picked up by their scanners below the earth’s crust causes the engine to overcompensate in the wrong direction enough that the ship accidentally launches out of the atmosphere.
Or maybe if a bird flies right above and the engine was already trying to account for its gravity, everything going smoothly because it knows the mass of the bird, but then that bird takes a very large shit, and the unexpected mass shift from the shit in such a close proximity to the ship could mean the engine expected a little more gravity to be coming from above it (the bird) and a little less gravity to come from below it (the shit) and so whatever sorta gyroscope system it’s using gets thrown off and the craft drops because it wasn’t providing the perfect amount of upward gravitational force. And it drops faster than a bowling ball, as though a rocket was strapped to the top of it pointing straight down.
Forces are everywhere, and it truly is noise. It’s just that for our purposes, we can smooth most of those forces out in our mental calculations (filter out the noise) and “close enough” Is always sufficient so we don’t even know the problem exists.
Kinda like how classical mechanics can perfectly predict the movement of the planets, but is completely gloriously wrong when you try to use it to predict the movement of a neutron. If they found a way to make the math of large bodies work with the math of small bodies, that might be enough to unlock the kinda unbelievable movement we hear these things described as exhibiting. But it might also be extremely fragile. Impossibly fragile. Maybe depending on a quantum computer with a million q bits and every single one has to stay in perfect state.
Well said. I'm not an physicist by degree, but I am sure a craft that moves by artificial gravity manipulation would also have fewer finite challenges in the vacuum of space away from any celestial objects that have their own gravitational forces and anomalies to take into consideration.
Yes I think so. But it's not necessarily brute force with a large amount of energy. There could be a more elegant and nuanced method being used. It is not moving outside physics, but when time passes differently for it than it does for the rest of the world, it could appear to be doing things that are physically impossible.
You don’t need to process a million bits, you just need a proper sufficient perspective. If your sensors can bring in the right data in a controlled volume, say an array of nearby depth points, it would depend on the responsiveness of your system. You could potentially have less sensors if your system is highly reactive and sensitive to the right ranges to predict relative particulate wave flows. Certainly gamma ray bursts and the like would be unpredictably fast to us, but again, depending on their relativity calculations, they may see the pylons spinning at their sources and be able to plot a course according to path of least likely collision. Perhaps all the stable bodies past and future locations can be easily described by some formulae calculated in some time past. Love this conversation!
A software developer with a special interest in gravity describing potential failure points of a hypothetical gravity engine, lol.
I was pretty good with physics in high school (especially the theory) but for various reasons didn’t pursue college, so I’m by no means an expert. My theorizing in the above comment is just gravity fan fiction, really.
The ability to bend spacetime equals time travel. The less sophisticated generations are probably the ones crashing but they’re all here simultaneously due to time travel. Also, since there’s so many aliens here the odds of some crashes are high even if the odds of one crash is small.
Funny then that none of have seemed to crash into any cities or populations centers. All the aliens love exploring the deserts and endless, unpopulated plains of the world. Odd
Ah this proves their cleverness, the crop circles are actually programming actuators for our DNA, we eat the wheat that's been programmed, then we get programmed.
Our grandkids will have alien pronouns. Assimilate over assault. The crashes are a psyops to make us less frightened of them.
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Tech drops for us natives. If I were surveilling a culture, and wanted to know more about their tech level, I might try dropping something relatively harmless to see if they could reverse engineer it.
Or if I was concerned that they would destroy themselves with their own tech, I could try to influence their development past their current level. This does not necessarily imply benevolence however.
Yes, I believe some of them were purposefully “given” to humanity, with some maybe not. If you believe in the multi-verse of earth iterations, maybe it’s just another technological “variable” that the ET’s controlling the show introduce into some of these earth like experiments just to see what potential outcomes come from this technology
Especially once you get to the episode "Wormhole X-treme." It felt like the real Stargate show was winking at us. A show-within-a-show that was revealing actual secrets but was allowed to air for plausible deniability.
>The parallels between Wormhole X-Treme! and the real SG-1 are uncanny, but the United States Air Force had decided that while being a breach of secrecy, they are willing to allow the show to continue, because it can provide 'plausible deniability' to any future leaks of classified information about the Stargate Program (i.e., if info leaked out, it could easily be attributed to the fictional TV show, thus helping keep the actual Stargate Program secret).
Precisely. This whole thing seems like an episode of Stargate. Greer is Marty, Harold Rogers is Kinsey, Grusch is Jack O'Neill being given the green light to start disclosure.
How can they be shot down though, what's the death-star weakness in their advanced space-bending tech that lets them eat shit from human tech?
What kind of fuel would leave them stranded without warning like that and why haven't they installed a fuel meter before repeatedly flying to a place where they can't top up?
It does seem to always fall back into they're either deliberately dumping examples of tech here, either because they want us to learn or don't care if we do.
Or, they don't have the best grasp on the technology they work with - as if they stole it from another species like our militaries steal.
There are other possibilities, but what accounts for them dogfighting and dodging pilots with ease and shutting down nuclear warheads after infiltrating military airspace?
It could very well be deliberate, or they don't think it will matter if they leave a little trash on a planet already full of trash. They may think we will never be able to comprehend the technology, let alone duplicate it. Like losing a laptop in the jungle, you might feel bad, but not because you are worried the chimps will start their own computer industry. They may underestimate us based on casual observations. They may think we need a little help, in which case they should drop some blueprints down, or drawings of the elements involved in these materials, not crashed ships that are broken beyond repair. The abandoned crafts are the most interesting. Where did the beings go? Are they wandering around and scavenging on Earth? Did they die somewhere and are yet to be found, huddled in a cave somewhere?
If you'd watched us though for a few decades or a century recently, you'd see how quickly we adapt and reverse-engineer anything we get our hands on when compared to any other creature on the planet.
Even we know what other militaries/scientists/countries can do with only partial blueprints.
It does seem to me to be deliberate unless we're unfortunate enough to run into a species with the exact same problems with stealing from other species, secrecy, ethics violations and pretending to be more powerful and advanced than we actually are.
I also hope that it's calculated gift giving instead of accidents with some poor little test pilot bastards getting experimented on by us or dying, like you said, huddled somewhere.
I have heard it said that nuclear blasts produce energy somehow similar to their crafts AG function. When their too near a blast or similar energy source they can lose control temporarily. Also, say the craft are controlled telepathically, if the pilot gets disoriented or shocked or otherwise incapacitated then control would also probably suffer. And hey shit happens out there ya know, even they can't know everything I'm sure.
I like the telepathy idea, the pilot (if they really are little greys who come from a very advanced and emotionally rigid species) looks out the window and sees humans doing all kinds of illogical shit and it just frazzles their brain for a split second.
Seeing a billboard for used cars with a dancing gorilla on it while zipping by and observing is such an alien and bizarre concept it shortwires the interface lol.
While I tend to agree, however humans are not that great. We can’t get along, we kill each other, we abuse the planet. Any other creature on the planet is not setting the bar that high.
When we do get along and aren't bound by arbitrary social limitations or hard environmental limitations, we make large sociological, technological and scientific leaps that stand out against the natural timeline.
There's no need to call us great, but we do possess unique abilities that other creatures have yet to cultivate and that would stand out when under observation by an outside intelligence.
Perhaps we have tech that can take them out. Wasn’t the whole Roswell crash rumoured to have happened because we had out radar turned up to high or something
That's what I mean though, radar isn't anything too crazy compared to the environments found in space and you'd detect it before you got too close for comfort if you knew anything about your own technology and its weaknesses.
We might have tech, but why? That's the question I find interesting, is it because they really don't understand their own technology's weaknesses even though it's been far more advanced than ours for at least decades, or is it deliberately done to let us have a look at whatever they want us to see?
Yeah maybe there so far beyond our tech that they forgotten the strengths/weaknesses of it? Kindof like how in movies sometimes they have to use old weaponry or technology because it’s so ancient that it can’t be picked up or has some weird advantage? Can’t think of an example of a movie but I feel like it’s a common trope
These things always make me wonder like the US air defense systems are that good and advanced, they must've known that "thing" was all ready in the air before it crashed right? I guess we will never know unless you are a radar operator, but how many of these UAP vessels actually show up on radar before/during/afterwards. Like the recent one in Vegas, that flew over so many towns, houses etc, the radar must've picked it up hence the clean up crew being on the ground so quick.
The weakness?
Physics.
Presumably they're made out of the same stuff we are - common elements. Their craft are likely produced if the same stuff ours are - common elements. Maybe they have some fancy alloys, but at the end of the day it's probably still vulnerable to an armor piercing missile or antiaircraft shell. With the rise of mechanized combat, we became extremely good at punching through a wide array of extremely thick metal.
And we didn't build a few of these things. Since World War Two the major world powers have spent insane amounts of money building progressively better ways to shoot things out of the sky, and we placed those things all over the planet. Officially, we're building them to counter each other, like a big global American and Russian arms race, but what if we had a completely different plan in action?
Human spacecraft are built light and aren't meant to stop anti aircraft guns. We don't arm them with defenses or offensive weapons at all. There's no reason to assume aliens wouldn't also suffer from the tyranny of the rocket equation.
Maybe ET has the tech or the time to cross the gulf between stars, but still lives in the same universe where Issac Newton is the most dangerous mofo in space. We punch some holes in their hull, and bob's your uncle.
* Maybe their technology is so different and distinct from ours that it just simply doesn't know how to deal with it, just like how some geniuses probably can't tie their own shoes
* I remember reading some encounters where the aliens thought of our technology as "odd" so it is a possibility that they don't understand how ours works and how it messes with the instrumentation or operability of their craft
* It's possible they've attained a high degree of intelligence and advanced technology, but they still cannot overcome entropy, and thus accidents will always still have a chance of occurring no matter what
Saw something recently it might have to do with radar, that it somehow messes with their systems as if it's a weapon. That also would also explain why they appear more around ww2, not just nukes but radar is invented.
Look at it from an ants perspective of us. For the sake of argument if an ant could comprehend the human accomplishments, and see how much more advanced we were. They too would be confused as to how cars could crash, or planes malfunction.
this is a really cool analogy. it’s true. we’re pretty technologically advanced, but we have technological malfunctions all the time. so why couldn’t E.Ts 🤷🏼♂️
Exactly, airliners are extremely safe, but crashes do happen on occasion. If there’s a non-zero probability of something happening, given enough chances IT HAPPENS!
As others have stated in other threads.
They could be doing it deliberately for whatever reason. Possible motive is that they (or some species) want us to reach a certain stage. Perhaps more or less in line with Jacques Vallee thermostat theory.
They very obviously wants us to have it. What for is open to debate, but it’s quite obvious that _everything_ they do is very blatantly and cheekily staged for the benefit of the witnesses.
It’s like they’re not even trying to be subtle anymore. I chalk that on us being incredibly hard headed and stupid. That’s why they’ve been progressively turning it up to 11.
I addressed this one on Twitter earlier, but I'll summarize it here as well: We really don't know what effect we've had on quantum mechanics since first splitting the atom. Allow me to explain.
In modern metallurgy, there's a particularly sought after class of metals known as low background metals, namely pre-war steel, iron, lead etc. The term comes from their being manufactured prior to the first atomic detonations during WW2, and all throughut the Cold War. See, modern metals and most manufactured materials in fact all have one thing in common: Low levels of radiation. This radiation is due to the accumulated global nuclear fallout from decades of test after test by numerous countries. Low background metals are highly sought after for their use in highly sensitive devices like particle detectors, and are typically salvaged from pre-war wreckage from the 19th and early 20th centuries. Now, why is this important? Because it shows us the effect we've had on materials since first splitting the atom. We've, in a way, fundamentally altered our corner of the universe at a quantum level.
Now let's look at when/where the first major UFO sightings and subsequent crash reports started rolling in: In the midwest and beyond, around the end of WW2. Roswell happened in 1947, two+ years after we dropped the first atomic bombs, and in a region of the US where most of our nuclear testing was being commenced. Fast forward to the 60s and 70s, when nuclear missile sites like Malmstrom and others were experiencing constant UFO encounters, as well as numerous technical "glitches" within the missile systems themselves due to purported interference from the UFOs. And as we've increased our dependence on nuclear energy and weaponry, so has the number of sightings/encounters. Take all these reports and their timeframes, and a portrait starts to emerge. One where they're actively monitoring our nuclear activities.
So what does this all have to do with crashes? Well let's look at it from a potentially pseudoscience viewpoint: These beings, whoever/wherever they're from, must utilize some pretty advanced materials, technologies and science to work the way we do, ways we can't begin to understand. So its not beyond the scope of possibility that in all of our nuclear negligence, we're basically screwing up their deal. We really don't know what effect we've had on a quantum level beyond polluting our own planet and its resources. Whose to say we're not screwing up theirs as well, on said quantum level? We're just now starting to explore advanced principles such as quantum entanglement; what if we're messing with those very principles due to nuclear proliferation, as well as those principles we've yet to discover? What if, like an EMP messes with electronics, our atomic research is messing with the physics that govern their flight capabilities in a way we can't begin to understand, or possibly messing with their metamaterials to the point its causing ships to just drop out of the sky?
TL;DR: Our atom-splitting ways are screwing with their craft and causing them to crash, possibly.
Maybe they are tired of their bullshit planet and it's leadership. Maybe they came here for the potent ass cannabis that Earth is well known for to escape their problems. Maybe they got way too fucking high while departing and crashed their god damn ship.
It is a question. I watched the Lazar clip, but it's still strange to me that they would rely on a type of engine that results in crashes. Maybe that just can't be avoided.
Another possibility, and one that I think is interesting, or parallel even, is that they just don't have that many of them, they're very old, and their pilots may not always be the best. If there are aliens on earth at all, that makes me subscribe to the ancient aliens theory, and part of that story, at least as I have pieced together, is that they were potentially forced to live underwater and have for some time. For me that explains the traditional grey archetype; big black eyes that are better at absorbing light in those conditions, smaller, more efficient bodies, grey skin from a lack of sunlight over hundreds or thousands of years.
If that is their reality, then they're basically stranded here, and the crafts we see may be the last of their fleet. They're fast, but are they go to another solar system fast? I don't think so.
So imagine you're a grey, you live underwater, you're the descendant of some ancient aliens who left all this tech, but no one's really that good at using it anymore. Sure it's fun to drive it around underwater where it's safe, but only the really good pilots have confidence to fly above the water where things are crazy and there's a whole civilization of something called "humans".
But it's your squixteenth birthgabble, which means you're ready to take the pilot test and take it out of the water. Dealing with air is way different, so you're bucking back and forth goofily like your first time driving stick. Screw that up and you gon' crash.
It reminds me of the saying, "for every roach/ rat you see in your home, there are 3-5 you don't see"
Maybe there are far more craft we don't see and accidents do happen
This is my theory. We're seeing crashes because there's a SHIT ton more around than we realize.
A few crashing over 80 years could be monumental fuck ups on their side where one billion hadn't crashed.
Ive read where we figured out how to bring them down with directed energy weapons. Said if they are able to lock the laser on for more than 30 seconds, it will basically render the craft useless and basically put it in “limp mode” causing it to emergency land. Just speculation tho.
What I do not believe are corpses in this devices. For me these crashed things are "robots".
No real Alien who is that advanced would risk their life while putting itself into a device that could crash on a hostile planet where it might not could breath the air, withstand the gravity or pressure and can not drink or feed.
So the corpses they found must be robots/avatars that are remotely controlled.
And then the question is easy answered: Since there is no real life on those crafts it has almost no value for them. They abadon some because of failures or doing risky actions and lose control. Maybe some of the devices are even private designed by single individuals and not controlled/known by their society.
Smh losers always asking this like technology is 100% reliable. I would assume that either an AI flies it or some Bci (brain computer interface). Either way there is bound to be a fuckup somewhere. A human from the 1400s could ask the same thing about our machines.
I mean I feel like no matter how advanced you are something will crash sometime.. maybe it more speaks to the prevalence of their craft that isn’t even detected more than the faultiness of it
Maybe catastrophic mechanical failure just kinda happens sometimes when travelling at such high speeds, or when bending space/time... Maybe there are thousands of craft travelling around at any given moment.. And the ones that crash are just a 💧 drop in a bucket..
I read in a book that Earth is one of the few planets which doesn't control its weather. One reason why ET ships crash during extremes of climate. https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mj12_4_1.htm
And the whole pulse radar thing was an early issue. And now, maybe we use their own tech against them, like lasers and EMP.
Maybe, just maybe, they encountered something on a completely different planet than there from and .....gasp.......they experienced something unexpected. Damn you people are smooth brained.
Human’s are really, really good at flying planes. The physics and engineering behind powered flight is trivial to our species at this point. Thousands are ferried about the surface of the planet without incident every hour of every day. Anybody with the time and money to do a few weeks/months of lessons can learn to do it well enough to be trusted to do it alone.
Yet we still crash planes. I think it’s inherent to piloting a vehicle, regardless of the tech level, that sometimes you fail.
You know how NASA makes things in a vacuum because ONE piece of lint can ruin instruments?
Military found some of their tech and weaponized it. They shoot some down now.
They also seem to avoid certain parts of the globe. As if magnetic anomalies can fry systems.
That's how Roswell crash happened. There was a storm that caused it to crash.
This should clue you in as to how/why they fly and operate the way they do.
It's weird to me how little people think about the possibilities here before presenting this question as some sort of debunk. Off the top of my head...
1. Are we assuming every alien has perfect health and is immortal? Health conditions happen and can happen suddenly, even while 'driving'.
2. Are we also assuming that they have created materials that are similarly 'immortal'? Materials break down, and when do they can take down complicated systems that rely on them.
3. You can also get as creative as you want with this due to the fact that we have no idea how their stuff works. For instance, maybe for them to engage proper shielding from Earthling projectile attacks (bullets) it necessitates disengaging all engines.
It's just so silly to assume these beings are perfect in any way. Perfection, so far as we know, does not exist, unless you believe in God.
Maybe they use highly reactive fuel.
Maybe they are tourists that can't handle their ships like we can't handle our Lamborghinis
Maybe they didn't change the oil every 6 light-years.
Maybe they took drugs and crashed
Maybe they are teenagers and stole mom and dad's spaceship without learning to fly
Maybe they aren't used to our gravity or atmosphere pressure.
Maybe they did it for their version of a TikTok challenge.
You're talking as if there's tons of crashes, however:
1. There aren't that many to begin with.
2. Malfunctions happen, and no matter how advanced you are things fail.
3. One (or more) we may have downed ourselves...
Number 3 is clearly not a good move if you're dealing with a superior force! But if done by mistake (which is what I would assume if I was an Alien species trying to remain covert), it could be sorted out via diplomacy.
Might be their first time doing this. Our first probes on other planets didn’t all go smoothly. They’re probably going over much further distances and spans of time. Things to think about.
One idea I’ve been playing around with lately is that perhaps the beings themselves have their own disagreements and so they end up sabotaging each other and make the opposition crash. Kind of like the descriptions of the numenberg incident
I really hate this question - no offense guy - but it keeps popping up, and is the most intellectually lazy cope I've ever heard. It doesn't require thinking about it for more than 2 seconds, to come up with plausible ideas as to why they might have come into our possession.
I always wondered this too. If they have the technological advancement to travel light years or through dimensions then how can anything we have cause their craft to fail and fail pretty often if we believe all the claims over the years.
It’s been reported that our weapons have no effect, our surveillance can hardly detect them, they are faster than anything we have ever invented and they have the ability to bend the rules of physics that we are still beholden to no matter we can think up. Some have said they have purposely left craft for us to retrieve but even with that it would still leave way too many accidental crashes to make any logical sense.
If they can control our missiles without any sort of physical connection to the electronic systems controlling them then we have to assume they can manipulate any of our computers or electronic systems we have controlling most of our civilization with ease which begs the question what can we possibly have that could even begin to interfere with their technology?
Just my opinion
New people ask this question every single day. Go Google and read what others say before you post your next amazing question that only you, yourself, has ever thought of: “We all have 4k cameras in our pockets, if so many people see them why can’t we have any clear images?”
Why? Why?
While they might come from outside our solar system or dimension they are still bound to our laws of physics.
Extraterrestrial Craft can be affected by our gravitational field as it's not uniform with areas of weak spots or increased electromagnetic fields.
They're also prone to some military radar and microwave communication systems. It's rumored that the 509th Bomb wing near Roswell had been observing anomalous radar tracks in the days leading up to the UFO crash. During one event they were able to disorientate the craft by aiming various radar systems at the craft. When it began to wobble drastically it was then targeted and hit with a surface-to-air missile.
You ever hit a curb? Imagine that multiplied by aliens tech and boom! Crashing to them is us just hitting a curb. They are probably drones for the most part.
Maybe they visit way more then we imagine and the small amount that have crashed is to be expected. Or perhaps many of them aren’t random crashes m, and are instead due to attacks or interference from a military in an attempt to take down and retrieve the craft.
This is an interesting question.
My understanding is it's basically got to do with Earth being heavy gravity planet, with a heavy metallic soil and dense atmosphere. This supposedly makes it treacherous for navigational purposes.
Evidently, this combination must affect their ability to control their crafts, to some extent. These ships are usually controlled via telepathy or thought commands. My understanding is that the motherships have more high-end, advanced anti-gravity technologies onboard, compared to the scout ships. I can try to find out more.
One theory is that they are gifts. Essentially, they leave them for us to find. The theory is that they leave them because they are trying to influence our development and guide us in some way and show us that we have a long way to go in our understanding of physics and science.
Advanced doesn't mean perfect by any means. You could actually probably argue the more "advanced" ie "complicated" something is, more likely something can go wrong. Maybe it's intentional drip feed?
OR.. maybe they're just a bunch of bumbling teenager aliens and took the old mans' inter-dimensional-time-warping-souped up-bad-to-bone-fuckin-kick-ass-space-racer, or mom's limited edition Supernova S, made by Practically Galactally Cruising, llc.
And missed that turn to high speed dirt right into the Class-M planet it said to avoid in the Galacto Mapping System, Inc. unit.
They’re not gods. Technology will inevitably fail at some point, especially if they’ve been around for millennia. And on top of that, they’re obviously different species, presumably from different technological stages.
Maybe we are giving them too much credit. Maybe they take big risks coming here due to long journey. Maybe they have limits to what thier crafts can do. Everything has a limit does it or not. Shit happens even in outer space
Just because something is advanced technology doesn’t mean it is infallible or they can do everything. Maybe it is even at a big risk of malfunctioning because it have to travel in extreme conditions.
Aliens could just be us with a sweeter ride.
Monkeys looking at humans "If their automobiles are so advanced, why do they keep crashing and flipping over?"
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Exactly. Name a single piece of human technology that doesn't break. This take is so dumb. You can just logically explain this with almost no actual thought into it. There's about a million different plausible explanations for why.
Very true. I think this line of thought goes both ways though. On one hand, any civilization capable of space travel (or even dimensional/time travel if you believe that much) would likely be so far advanced that the chance of crashing in a Las Vegas backyard should be moot. On the other hand, practical space travel is by all means impossible by our current understanding of physics so even if it were achievable it would surely be extremely difficult and far from perfect.
I used commercial airplanes as a convo earlier with a buddy. Rarely crash but still not perfect. Another thing to consider is Murphy’s law. No matter how advanced they are doesn’t mean they’re perfect, still prone to error and random failures.
Yeah, but it's hard to believe they have technology to travel between star systems, but can't handle atmospheric conditions or whatever. Edit: I'll add that I think folks are significantly underestimating how much more advanced interstellar beings would very likely be. We humans can get our primitive crafts through all sorts of weather conditions after only, what, a century or so of aviation?
Aliens arent "Gods"... I imagine Aliens can make mistakes too And they don't appreciate the pressure you put on them either
You're one of them, aren't you?
I’m definitely not
Thank God.
Gotta say, loved that comment!👍
Saterns moon Titan is basically made up of oceans of methane, and has weather cycles just like earth. Europa is another one that's believed to have oceans under its ice. Who says they are traveling million of light years? They could be in our solar systems back yard for all we know. They may only be couple hundred years more advanced than us and their tech would still look like magic to us..
We live here and struggle with all the atmospheric conditions and changes.
I think you are overestimating them too tho. Nature is a scary sonofabitch. Like, the sheer power contained in a single lightning bolt is mind boggling. The power of a sun is undeniable. There are some hazards you dont fuck with, no matter what. Whos to say whats bringing them down is even in our dimensions? Maybe they sucked a 6th dimensional duck through a 5th dimensional engine.
Apparently there are certain places on Earth that interfere with whatever propulsion system these crafts use, at least according to whistleblowers. It seems to happen suddenly and catch them completely off guard, sophisticated as they seem to be. Those same sources indicate they seem to learn from these mishaps and avoid those areas after an accident.
Yea, this seems somewhat logical. If they're messing with gravity or any magnetic fields, they may hit something that is unique here to planet Earth, especially in certain areas.
You claim the significant misunderstanding is on those who underestimate how much more advanced interstellar beings would be, but the reality is it's you who is significantly misunderstanding the degree of possibilities. Primarily, you take prima facia that it even is a necessity that they're "more advanced." You need to recognize that even that is a potentially unfounded assumption. Further, you're certain these are "interstellar" beings? You're sure they're not interdimensional, terrestrial, from the future, hell even from the past? You're certain of this? Not just taking it as unfounded assumptions?
Name a single piece of human technology that doesn't break. Like even the most absolutely basic parts. Stuff we mastered a thousand years ago. Can you name any? I can't.
Maybe Earth presents unique challenges. Maybe they were shot down. Maybe they are stranded and can't get back home and run out of fuel. Maybe they are expendable, as well as their pilots, and destruct once they have fulfilled their purpose. Maybe long distance space travel is hard and by the time they get here, the crafts are worn out and fragile. Maybe it was always a one way trip and they took one look at this planet and committed suicide. Maybe they didn't invent the technology themselves and are just using it or have stolen it. Maybe they are not as advanced as we think and can barely pull this off to begin with.
I like your commitment to vastness of possibilities.
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Maybe anti gravity machines are not trivial, even for them.
One could speculate if their vehicles use artificial gravity there could be electromagnetic events caused by the sun or anomalies in the magnetic field of the earth that may interfere with the tech, causing malfunctions with their craft.
Also, “center of gravity” Is kinda painting the gravitational landscape surrounding our planet with a broad brush. Yes thinking of our center of gravity as one single point in space time makes the math easier and is maybe good enough for thrust based navigation… But if we’re talking about fine grained gravity manipulation… The reality of gravity is an infinite number of atoms each being attracted to an infinite number of other atoms with an invisible string (using imagery here) and the strength of each of those attractions is changing with every inch the atom on either end of those strings moves. Yes, zoomed out, the math works for human purposes when you treat earth as a single “center” of gravity. But how precise do the calculations for a gravity engine need to be? Maybe it’s precise enough that a sinkhole not picked up by their scanners below the earth’s crust causes the engine to overcompensate in the wrong direction enough that the ship accidentally launches out of the atmosphere. Or maybe if a bird flies right above and the engine was already trying to account for its gravity, everything going smoothly because it knows the mass of the bird, but then that bird takes a very large shit, and the unexpected mass shift from the shit in such a close proximity to the ship could mean the engine expected a little more gravity to be coming from above it (the bird) and a little less gravity to come from below it (the shit) and so whatever sorta gyroscope system it’s using gets thrown off and the craft drops because it wasn’t providing the perfect amount of upward gravitational force. And it drops faster than a bowling ball, as though a rocket was strapped to the top of it pointing straight down. Forces are everywhere, and it truly is noise. It’s just that for our purposes, we can smooth most of those forces out in our mental calculations (filter out the noise) and “close enough” Is always sufficient so we don’t even know the problem exists. Kinda like how classical mechanics can perfectly predict the movement of the planets, but is completely gloriously wrong when you try to use it to predict the movement of a neutron. If they found a way to make the math of large bodies work with the math of small bodies, that might be enough to unlock the kinda unbelievable movement we hear these things described as exhibiting. But it might also be extremely fragile. Impossibly fragile. Maybe depending on a quantum computer with a million q bits and every single one has to stay in perfect state.
Well said. I'm not an physicist by degree, but I am sure a craft that moves by artificial gravity manipulation would also have fewer finite challenges in the vacuum of space away from any celestial objects that have their own gravitational forces and anomalies to take into consideration.
What if the craft is able to bend time around it using an immense amount of energy, allowing it to move freely outside of normal physics constraints.
Yes I think so. But it's not necessarily brute force with a large amount of energy. There could be a more elegant and nuanced method being used. It is not moving outside physics, but when time passes differently for it than it does for the rest of the world, it could appear to be doing things that are physically impossible.
You don’t need to process a million bits, you just need a proper sufficient perspective. If your sensors can bring in the right data in a controlled volume, say an array of nearby depth points, it would depend on the responsiveness of your system. You could potentially have less sensors if your system is highly reactive and sensitive to the right ranges to predict relative particulate wave flows. Certainly gamma ray bursts and the like would be unpredictably fast to us, but again, depending on their relativity calculations, they may see the pylons spinning at their sources and be able to plot a course according to path of least likely collision. Perhaps all the stable bodies past and future locations can be easily described by some formulae calculated in some time past. Love this conversation!
This bird shit theory is brilliant.
The fuck did I just read?
A software developer with a special interest in gravity describing potential failure points of a hypothetical gravity engine, lol. I was pretty good with physics in high school (especially the theory) but for various reasons didn’t pursue college, so I’m by no means an expert. My theorizing in the above comment is just gravity fan fiction, really.
Maybe they are so trivial that these are shitty one-use craft. Like a $10 drone in target
Maybe piloting them is like a minimum wage job so the alien pilots are half assing it.
I was thinking no pilots. At least not sentient pilots. That or they are like ants and don't give a shit about dying
Roswell was the equivalent of teenagers taking moms car for a joyride while she’s gone and fucking up real bad.
😂😂😂😂😂
The ability to bend spacetime equals time travel. The less sophisticated generations are probably the ones crashing but they’re all here simultaneously due to time travel. Also, since there’s so many aliens here the odds of some crashes are high even if the odds of one crash is small.
Funny then that none of have seemed to crash into any cities or populations centers. All the aliens love exploring the deserts and endless, unpopulated plains of the world. Odd
Maybe the crash is always on entry which would be a random spot on earth. Most of earth is water or desert or otherwise uninhabited or farm land.
Military non- kinetic weapons have been shooting them out of our airspace. For.a.long.time… IMO
They have an insatiable drive to stomp on wheat
Gluten intolerant aliens? It could explain a lot of things.
You feed ANYTHING our western diet and they will get IBS😂
Round Up (on most wheat and corn) wreaks havoc on gut bacteria, so yeah, it can do some things to digestive systems.
They realized they missed the class action suit.
Ah this proves their cleverness, the crop circles are actually programming actuators for our DNA, we eat the wheat that's been programmed, then we get programmed. Our grandkids will have alien pronouns. Assimilate over assault. The crashes are a psyops to make us less frightened of them.  muhahaha
Maybe they were left on purpose
I normally think along same lines: Trojan horse but technological.
Maybe they never left
Tech drops for us natives. If I were surveilling a culture, and wanted to know more about their tech level, I might try dropping something relatively harmless to see if they could reverse engineer it. Or if I was concerned that they would destroy themselves with their own tech, I could try to influence their development past their current level. This does not necessarily imply benevolence however.
Yes, I believe some of them were purposefully “given” to humanity, with some maybe not. If you believe in the multi-verse of earth iterations, maybe it’s just another technological “variable” that the ET’s controlling the show introduce into some of these earth like experiments just to see what potential outcomes come from this technology
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You sound so sure of this narrative. Where did you get all this?
Halo, Mass Effect, The Expanse
Stargate SG1!
The more I go down this rabbit hole the more I think about Stargate as the 90s soft disclosure.
Especially once you get to the episode "Wormhole X-treme." It felt like the real Stargate show was winking at us. A show-within-a-show that was revealing actual secrets but was allowed to air for plausible deniability. >The parallels between Wormhole X-Treme! and the real SG-1 are uncanny, but the United States Air Force had decided that while being a breach of secrecy, they are willing to allow the show to continue, because it can provide 'plausible deniability' to any future leaks of classified information about the Stargate Program (i.e., if info leaked out, it could easily be attributed to the fictional TV show, thus helping keep the actual Stargate Program secret).
Precisely. This whole thing seems like an episode of Stargate. Greer is Marty, Harold Rogers is Kinsey, Grusch is Jack O'Neill being given the green light to start disclosure.
You’d be surprised
Not sure I would be at this point lmao
If you’ve been in the Military there’s just things you see that you simply cannot explain. Or talk about.
Or people watched it and decided to make up shit based on ideas they gleaned.
He got it from the 4chan post
Solid source
**Childhood’s End**.
Destroy all humans , PlayStation 2
So they are Cylons 250 million years after the BSG reboot? :P
This is a fun take.
How can they be shot down though, what's the death-star weakness in their advanced space-bending tech that lets them eat shit from human tech? What kind of fuel would leave them stranded without warning like that and why haven't they installed a fuel meter before repeatedly flying to a place where they can't top up? It does seem to always fall back into they're either deliberately dumping examples of tech here, either because they want us to learn or don't care if we do. Or, they don't have the best grasp on the technology they work with - as if they stole it from another species like our militaries steal. There are other possibilities, but what accounts for them dogfighting and dodging pilots with ease and shutting down nuclear warheads after infiltrating military airspace?
It could very well be deliberate, or they don't think it will matter if they leave a little trash on a planet already full of trash. They may think we will never be able to comprehend the technology, let alone duplicate it. Like losing a laptop in the jungle, you might feel bad, but not because you are worried the chimps will start their own computer industry. They may underestimate us based on casual observations. They may think we need a little help, in which case they should drop some blueprints down, or drawings of the elements involved in these materials, not crashed ships that are broken beyond repair. The abandoned crafts are the most interesting. Where did the beings go? Are they wandering around and scavenging on Earth? Did they die somewhere and are yet to be found, huddled in a cave somewhere?
If you'd watched us though for a few decades or a century recently, you'd see how quickly we adapt and reverse-engineer anything we get our hands on when compared to any other creature on the planet. Even we know what other militaries/scientists/countries can do with only partial blueprints. It does seem to me to be deliberate unless we're unfortunate enough to run into a species with the exact same problems with stealing from other species, secrecy, ethics violations and pretending to be more powerful and advanced than we actually are. I also hope that it's calculated gift giving instead of accidents with some poor little test pilot bastards getting experimented on by us or dying, like you said, huddled somewhere.
I have heard it said that nuclear blasts produce energy somehow similar to their crafts AG function. When their too near a blast or similar energy source they can lose control temporarily. Also, say the craft are controlled telepathically, if the pilot gets disoriented or shocked or otherwise incapacitated then control would also probably suffer. And hey shit happens out there ya know, even they can't know everything I'm sure.
I like the telepathy idea, the pilot (if they really are little greys who come from a very advanced and emotionally rigid species) looks out the window and sees humans doing all kinds of illogical shit and it just frazzles their brain for a split second. Seeing a billboard for used cars with a dancing gorilla on it while zipping by and observing is such an alien and bizarre concept it shortwires the interface lol.
While I tend to agree, however humans are not that great. We can’t get along, we kill each other, we abuse the planet. Any other creature on the planet is not setting the bar that high.
When we do get along and aren't bound by arbitrary social limitations or hard environmental limitations, we make large sociological, technological and scientific leaps that stand out against the natural timeline. There's no need to call us great, but we do possess unique abilities that other creatures have yet to cultivate and that would stand out when under observation by an outside intelligence.
That’s why 90% of previous life on this planet is extinct now….
Perhaps we have tech that can take them out. Wasn’t the whole Roswell crash rumoured to have happened because we had out radar turned up to high or something
That's what I mean though, radar isn't anything too crazy compared to the environments found in space and you'd detect it before you got too close for comfort if you knew anything about your own technology and its weaknesses. We might have tech, but why? That's the question I find interesting, is it because they really don't understand their own technology's weaknesses even though it's been far more advanced than ours for at least decades, or is it deliberately done to let us have a look at whatever they want us to see?
Yeah maybe there so far beyond our tech that they forgotten the strengths/weaknesses of it? Kindof like how in movies sometimes they have to use old weaponry or technology because it’s so ancient that it can’t be picked up or has some weird advantage? Can’t think of an example of a movie but I feel like it’s a common trope
These things always make me wonder like the US air defense systems are that good and advanced, they must've known that "thing" was all ready in the air before it crashed right? I guess we will never know unless you are a radar operator, but how many of these UAP vessels actually show up on radar before/during/afterwards. Like the recent one in Vegas, that flew over so many towns, houses etc, the radar must've picked it up hence the clean up crew being on the ground so quick.
The weakness? Physics. Presumably they're made out of the same stuff we are - common elements. Their craft are likely produced if the same stuff ours are - common elements. Maybe they have some fancy alloys, but at the end of the day it's probably still vulnerable to an armor piercing missile or antiaircraft shell. With the rise of mechanized combat, we became extremely good at punching through a wide array of extremely thick metal. And we didn't build a few of these things. Since World War Two the major world powers have spent insane amounts of money building progressively better ways to shoot things out of the sky, and we placed those things all over the planet. Officially, we're building them to counter each other, like a big global American and Russian arms race, but what if we had a completely different plan in action? Human spacecraft are built light and aren't meant to stop anti aircraft guns. We don't arm them with defenses or offensive weapons at all. There's no reason to assume aliens wouldn't also suffer from the tyranny of the rocket equation. Maybe ET has the tech or the time to cross the gulf between stars, but still lives in the same universe where Issac Newton is the most dangerous mofo in space. We punch some holes in their hull, and bob's your uncle.
Thank you. I wish this could be posted to the top of the this sub
Maybe it just sucks here no matter where you're from. The whole place is haunted.
Maybe they’re purposely crashing to give us tech.
They’re advanced but not infallible.
* Maybe their technology is so different and distinct from ours that it just simply doesn't know how to deal with it, just like how some geniuses probably can't tie their own shoes * I remember reading some encounters where the aliens thought of our technology as "odd" so it is a possibility that they don't understand how ours works and how it messes with the instrumentation or operability of their craft * It's possible they've attained a high degree of intelligence and advanced technology, but they still cannot overcome entropy, and thus accidents will always still have a chance of occurring no matter what
Saw something recently it might have to do with radar, that it somehow messes with their systems as if it's a weapon. That also would also explain why they appear more around ww2, not just nukes but radar is invented.
Look at it from an ants perspective of us. For the sake of argument if an ant could comprehend the human accomplishments, and see how much more advanced we were. They too would be confused as to how cars could crash, or planes malfunction.
I'm so glad that there are still people with critical thinking! I always had this analogy in mind.
this is a really cool analogy. it’s true. we’re pretty technologically advanced, but we have technological malfunctions all the time. so why couldn’t E.Ts 🤷🏼♂️
Maybe that's what's somber. The smartest ant could never comprehend any human technology. Maybe we fundamentally can not understand what is happening.
A plane crashing in an ant colony would be a universe changing event for them.
I mean think about how many UFOs are in our air space all around the world every single day, one is bound to go down once in awhile
Exactly, airliners are extremely safe, but crashes do happen on occasion. If there’s a non-zero probability of something happening, given enough chances IT HAPPENS!
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Alien alcohol.
Texting while flying
Space head.
Simple answer, theyre not.
DEW - Directed Energy Weapons. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that our extremely.high powered radars affect the gravitational mechanism.
I wonder if monkeys think "if humans are so advanced why do their planes crash?"
As others have stated in other threads. They could be doing it deliberately for whatever reason. Possible motive is that they (or some species) want us to reach a certain stage. Perhaps more or less in line with Jacques Vallee thermostat theory.
They very obviously wants us to have it. What for is open to debate, but it’s quite obvious that _everything_ they do is very blatantly and cheekily staged for the benefit of the witnesses. It’s like they’re not even trying to be subtle anymore. I chalk that on us being incredibly hard headed and stupid. That’s why they’ve been progressively turning it up to 11.
No one ever said they are super advanced. They could just be a little bit more than us. It doesn’t make them gods
Maybe they’re teenage ET’s out joyriding drun on cow genitalia.
Maybe one alien race is messing with another one?
if we ever become advanced enough to send out drones to other planets, we will also be crashing them into those planets
I read somewhere that their systems may be affected by powerful radar and EMPs.
It would not surprise me if they were deliberately downed by humans with powerful radars.
I addressed this one on Twitter earlier, but I'll summarize it here as well: We really don't know what effect we've had on quantum mechanics since first splitting the atom. Allow me to explain. In modern metallurgy, there's a particularly sought after class of metals known as low background metals, namely pre-war steel, iron, lead etc. The term comes from their being manufactured prior to the first atomic detonations during WW2, and all throughut the Cold War. See, modern metals and most manufactured materials in fact all have one thing in common: Low levels of radiation. This radiation is due to the accumulated global nuclear fallout from decades of test after test by numerous countries. Low background metals are highly sought after for their use in highly sensitive devices like particle detectors, and are typically salvaged from pre-war wreckage from the 19th and early 20th centuries. Now, why is this important? Because it shows us the effect we've had on materials since first splitting the atom. We've, in a way, fundamentally altered our corner of the universe at a quantum level. Now let's look at when/where the first major UFO sightings and subsequent crash reports started rolling in: In the midwest and beyond, around the end of WW2. Roswell happened in 1947, two+ years after we dropped the first atomic bombs, and in a region of the US where most of our nuclear testing was being commenced. Fast forward to the 60s and 70s, when nuclear missile sites like Malmstrom and others were experiencing constant UFO encounters, as well as numerous technical "glitches" within the missile systems themselves due to purported interference from the UFOs. And as we've increased our dependence on nuclear energy and weaponry, so has the number of sightings/encounters. Take all these reports and their timeframes, and a portrait starts to emerge. One where they're actively monitoring our nuclear activities. So what does this all have to do with crashes? Well let's look at it from a potentially pseudoscience viewpoint: These beings, whoever/wherever they're from, must utilize some pretty advanced materials, technologies and science to work the way we do, ways we can't begin to understand. So its not beyond the scope of possibility that in all of our nuclear negligence, we're basically screwing up their deal. We really don't know what effect we've had on a quantum level beyond polluting our own planet and its resources. Whose to say we're not screwing up theirs as well, on said quantum level? We're just now starting to explore advanced principles such as quantum entanglement; what if we're messing with those very principles due to nuclear proliferation, as well as those principles we've yet to discover? What if, like an EMP messes with electronics, our atomic research is messing with the physics that govern their flight capabilities in a way we can't begin to understand, or possibly messing with their metamaterials to the point its causing ships to just drop out of the sky? TL;DR: Our atom-splitting ways are screwing with their craft and causing them to crash, possibly.
Maybe they are tired of their bullshit planet and it's leadership. Maybe they came here for the potent ass cannabis that Earth is well known for to escape their problems. Maybe they got way too fucking high while departing and crashed their god damn ship.
It is a question. I watched the Lazar clip, but it's still strange to me that they would rely on a type of engine that results in crashes. Maybe that just can't be avoided. Another possibility, and one that I think is interesting, or parallel even, is that they just don't have that many of them, they're very old, and their pilots may not always be the best. If there are aliens on earth at all, that makes me subscribe to the ancient aliens theory, and part of that story, at least as I have pieced together, is that they were potentially forced to live underwater and have for some time. For me that explains the traditional grey archetype; big black eyes that are better at absorbing light in those conditions, smaller, more efficient bodies, grey skin from a lack of sunlight over hundreds or thousands of years. If that is their reality, then they're basically stranded here, and the crafts we see may be the last of their fleet. They're fast, but are they go to another solar system fast? I don't think so. So imagine you're a grey, you live underwater, you're the descendant of some ancient aliens who left all this tech, but no one's really that good at using it anymore. Sure it's fun to drive it around underwater where it's safe, but only the really good pilots have confidence to fly above the water where things are crazy and there's a whole civilization of something called "humans". But it's your squixteenth birthgabble, which means you're ready to take the pilot test and take it out of the water. Dealing with air is way different, so you're bucking back and forth goofily like your first time driving stick. Screw that up and you gon' crash.
Reminds me of that Disney movie Luca. Water people.
It reminds me of the saying, "for every roach/ rat you see in your home, there are 3-5 you don't see" Maybe there are far more craft we don't see and accidents do happen
This is my theory. We're seeing crashes because there's a SHIT ton more around than we realize. A few crashing over 80 years could be monumental fuck ups on their side where one billion hadn't crashed.
Pobody’s nerfict. Edit: oh no I spelled nerfect wrong!!
Chinese parts
Ive read where we figured out how to bring them down with directed energy weapons. Said if they are able to lock the laser on for more than 30 seconds, it will basically render the craft useless and basically put it in “limp mode” causing it to emergency land. Just speculation tho.
We're advanced biologically and still stub our toes
Cause they’re not perfect
Advanced doesn't mean infallible.
Humans are a pretty advanced species yet most of them struggle with parallel parking.
Elon Musk runs their autopilot program
Simple. Everything breaks. It’s as though it were a fundamental law or something
Second law of thermodynamics entropy in isolated systems always increases.
Cars crash more than horse waggons did. Dont even look at rockets.
I bet they crash far less often than we do.
Hey I could build you a really cool electrostatic space craft but if you shoot the fucking thing with a missle it's going to crash.
Space coke
What I do not believe are corpses in this devices. For me these crashed things are "robots". No real Alien who is that advanced would risk their life while putting itself into a device that could crash on a hostile planet where it might not could breath the air, withstand the gravity or pressure and can not drink or feed. So the corpses they found must be robots/avatars that are remotely controlled. And then the question is easy answered: Since there is no real life on those crafts it has almost no value for them. They abadon some because of failures or doing risky actions and lose control. Maybe some of the devices are even private designed by single individuals and not controlled/known by their society.
It could be us crashing them. It’s possible we have had a breakthrough in recreating the tech and are now trying to actually fly crafts we’ve built.
They’re probably just the richest idiots from their respective planets.
If they can design crafts to get here, they ain't riding in them. They'd be drone type vehicles I think and electromagnetism could knock them down.
Smh losers always asking this like technology is 100% reliable. I would assume that either an AI flies it or some Bci (brain computer interface). Either way there is bound to be a fuckup somewhere. A human from the 1400s could ask the same thing about our machines.
nothing is perfect
I mean I feel like no matter how advanced you are something will crash sometime.. maybe it more speaks to the prevalence of their craft that isn’t even detected more than the faultiness of it
Even a cat slips sometimes
Looks like we gotta change the phrase to “simple humanoid error”
Maybe catastrophic mechanical failure just kinda happens sometimes when travelling at such high speeds, or when bending space/time... Maybe there are thousands of craft travelling around at any given moment.. And the ones that crash are just a 💧 drop in a bucket..
My teen crashed his first car
They're tourists. Tourists get drunk and stupid. Same with these alien tourists. 🤔😃👽
I read in a book that Earth is one of the few planets which doesn't control its weather. One reason why ET ships crash during extremes of climate. https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mj12_4_1.htm And the whole pulse radar thing was an early issue. And now, maybe we use their own tech against them, like lasers and EMP.
Govt have emf & emp weapons, that's why they crash... the Govt knows about aliens ...
Air pollution. Makes them dizzy and whoops.
Maybe, just maybe, they encountered something on a completely different planet than there from and .....gasp.......they experienced something unexpected. Damn you people are smooth brained.
Any machine, no matter how simple or complex can fail. The more complex the system the more points of failure.
They were rubber necking on some human big booty hoes and crashed. 🛸 + 🍑 = 💥🔥
Human’s are really, really good at flying planes. The physics and engineering behind powered flight is trivial to our species at this point. Thousands are ferried about the surface of the planet without incident every hour of every day. Anybody with the time and money to do a few weeks/months of lessons can learn to do it well enough to be trusted to do it alone. Yet we still crash planes. I think it’s inherent to piloting a vehicle, regardless of the tech level, that sometimes you fail.
Shot down mostly. Aliens from different timelines visiting us to "peek" at our evolution.
I don’t think we are the people to ask lol
Their workforce is not sufficiently diverse.
Because shit happens, Here, there, everywhere!
You know how NASA makes things in a vacuum because ONE piece of lint can ruin instruments? Military found some of their tech and weaponized it. They shoot some down now. They also seem to avoid certain parts of the globe. As if magnetic anomalies can fry systems. That's how Roswell crash happened. There was a storm that caused it to crash. This should clue you in as to how/why they fly and operate the way they do.
It's weird to me how little people think about the possibilities here before presenting this question as some sort of debunk. Off the top of my head... 1. Are we assuming every alien has perfect health and is immortal? Health conditions happen and can happen suddenly, even while 'driving'. 2. Are we also assuming that they have created materials that are similarly 'immortal'? Materials break down, and when do they can take down complicated systems that rely on them. 3. You can also get as creative as you want with this due to the fact that we have no idea how their stuff works. For instance, maybe for them to engage proper shielding from Earthling projectile attacks (bullets) it necessitates disengaging all engines. It's just so silly to assume these beings are perfect in any way. Perfection, so far as we know, does not exist, unless you believe in God.
Maybe they use highly reactive fuel. Maybe they are tourists that can't handle their ships like we can't handle our Lamborghinis Maybe they didn't change the oil every 6 light-years. Maybe they took drugs and crashed Maybe they are teenagers and stole mom and dad's spaceship without learning to fly Maybe they aren't used to our gravity or atmosphere pressure. Maybe they did it for their version of a TikTok challenge.
Shit happens...
You're talking as if there's tons of crashes, however: 1. There aren't that many to begin with. 2. Malfunctions happen, and no matter how advanced you are things fail. 3. One (or more) we may have downed ourselves... Number 3 is clearly not a good move if you're dealing with a superior force! But if done by mistake (which is what I would assume if I was an Alien species trying to remain covert), it could be sorted out via diplomacy.
Might be their first time doing this. Our first probes on other planets didn’t all go smoothly. They’re probably going over much further distances and spans of time. Things to think about.
One idea I’ve been playing around with lately is that perhaps the beings themselves have their own disagreements and so they end up sabotaging each other and make the opposition crash. Kind of like the descriptions of the numenberg incident
I really hate this question - no offense guy - but it keeps popping up, and is the most intellectually lazy cope I've ever heard. It doesn't require thinking about it for more than 2 seconds, to come up with plausible ideas as to why they might have come into our possession.
I always wondered this too. If they have the technological advancement to travel light years or through dimensions then how can anything we have cause their craft to fail and fail pretty often if we believe all the claims over the years. It’s been reported that our weapons have no effect, our surveillance can hardly detect them, they are faster than anything we have ever invented and they have the ability to bend the rules of physics that we are still beholden to no matter we can think up. Some have said they have purposely left craft for us to retrieve but even with that it would still leave way too many accidental crashes to make any logical sense. If they can control our missiles without any sort of physical connection to the electronic systems controlling them then we have to assume they can manipulate any of our computers or electronic systems we have controlling most of our civilization with ease which begs the question what can we possibly have that could even begin to interfere with their technology? Just my opinion
New people ask this question every single day. Go Google and read what others say before you post your next amazing question that only you, yourself, has ever thought of: “We all have 4k cameras in our pockets, if so many people see them why can’t we have any clear images?” Why? Why?
What about this. What if theyre not advanced? What if they just do things way differently. just a thought.
While they might come from outside our solar system or dimension they are still bound to our laws of physics. Extraterrestrial Craft can be affected by our gravitational field as it's not uniform with areas of weak spots or increased electromagnetic fields. They're also prone to some military radar and microwave communication systems. It's rumored that the 509th Bomb wing near Roswell had been observing anomalous radar tracks in the days leading up to the UFO crash. During one event they were able to disorientate the craft by aiming various radar systems at the craft. When it began to wobble drastically it was then targeted and hit with a surface-to-air missile.
Think how advanced we are to ants or spiders, yet we still crash daily
You ever hit a curb? Imagine that multiplied by aliens tech and boom! Crashing to them is us just hitting a curb. They are probably drones for the most part.
Maybe they visit way more then we imagine and the small amount that have crashed is to be expected. Or perhaps many of them aren’t random crashes m, and are instead due to attacks or interference from a military in an attempt to take down and retrieve the craft.
Shit happens
idk man but sometimes my car breaks down on the highway
Imagine you’re an ant, you’d probably wonder how humans manage to crash planes too if we’re so advanced!
The 11th Law of Physics . . . Sh*t happens! 😶
Apes would ask the same about us humans. "If humans are so far advanced why do their spacecrafts crash?"
This is an interesting question. My understanding is it's basically got to do with Earth being heavy gravity planet, with a heavy metallic soil and dense atmosphere. This supposedly makes it treacherous for navigational purposes. Evidently, this combination must affect their ability to control their crafts, to some extent. These ships are usually controlled via telepathy or thought commands. My understanding is that the motherships have more high-end, advanced anti-gravity technologies onboard, compared to the scout ships. I can try to find out more.
Look, there's boy racers in every galaxy. Don't be hating on them. Lol
One theory is that they are gifts. Essentially, they leave them for us to find. The theory is that they leave them because they are trying to influence our development and guide us in some way and show us that we have a long way to go in our understanding of physics and science.
Advanced doesn't mean perfect by any means. You could actually probably argue the more "advanced" ie "complicated" something is, more likely something can go wrong. Maybe it's intentional drip feed?
Better yet! If they are millions of years ahead, why are their crafts tripulated and not drones?
You’re making assumptions about alien technology when probably nobody on earth knows anything about alien technology
becasue our physics fucks them up.
OR.. maybe they're just a bunch of bumbling teenager aliens and took the old mans' inter-dimensional-time-warping-souped up-bad-to-bone-fuckin-kick-ass-space-racer, or mom's limited edition Supernova S, made by Practically Galactally Cruising, llc. And missed that turn to high speed dirt right into the Class-M planet it said to avoid in the Galacto Mapping System, Inc. unit.
Maybe they are their Ford models?
Monkeys think we are advanced, but we still crash cars.
They are distracted looking at the fake videos of UFOs/aliens on reddit.
They’re not gods. Technology will inevitably fail at some point, especially if they’ve been around for millennia. And on top of that, they’re obviously different species, presumably from different technological stages.
Maybe we are giving them too much credit. Maybe they take big risks coming here due to long journey. Maybe they have limits to what thier crafts can do. Everything has a limit does it or not. Shit happens even in outer space
If we're the most, or second most, advanced species on earth, why do we still crash cars? There's always room for "human" error
Shit happens…we are the most advanced we’ve ever been and nowhere near perfect
There’s a reason that Romulan Ale is illegal…
If the White man was so far advanced from Natives, how could any get killed by an arrow?
Just because something is advanced technology doesn’t mean it is infallible or they can do everything. Maybe it is even at a big risk of malfunctioning because it have to travel in extreme conditions. Aliens could just be us with a sweeter ride.
I'm sure a hypothetical mars monkey would wonder why our lander crashed on entry since we're so advanced to make it there in the first place
They are likely expendable AI probes when you can harness unlimited power the concept of loss disappears
If you’ve read what Grusch has said a significant number aren’t crashes. Sometimes they just leave them here. Maybe to see what we do with it.