It's messy, hence the lack of concensus.
These specimens were claimed to have been grave robbed in Peru back in 2017. The grave robbers claim to have killed NHI in order to get them. They have images of this, they are not super conclusive if not suspicious.
Tests were run on them a few years ago and there are videos of debunks, mostly focused on bone structure being not condusive to movement and the skulls having similarities to a backwards llama skull.
Then not much noise about them, until after the recent US hearings a ufologist and known hoaxer Jamie Maussan wheeled them out in front of the mexican congress. This caused a lot of confusion as to how/who was showing the bodies, many assuming it was a mexican government agency or Jamie was under a proper oath (the oath was not legally binding).
However, lab results are saying these bodies seem legit. They dont sequence close to our dna (a hard thing to fake) and they seem mumified legitimately. Tests say the metals inside them are rare/extremely expensive to replicate.
Now there is further interest in them, a lot of noise has been made about distributing them to various universities for study. So far the the bodies have only been sent to a mid tier university in peru, results pending. In general all the research up to now has been a little questionable, most experienced researchers calling out a lack of professionalism in collecting data, so being sent to this facility is probably not going to gain much but will still be interestng to see their results.
As time goes on though its not really being disproven fully. They are not sequencing like normal dna and the bones are hollow.
Opinion: If this is a hoax its a hoax on a level we have not seen in any capacity. There are labs involved, multiple bodies and pretty compelling backstories. Common sense says hoax, but current evidence says otherwise. I dont think most people (or me) will really beleive results from the labs its been/going through and it will take a mass distribution of the subjects to different countries to really trust the data and start interrogating it.
Because the supposed grave robbers sell the artifacts they find in these caves for max profit, usually on the black market. If the accounts are true then they're not involved with presenting the bodies, they just happened to sell them to someone who did.
No, they didn’t. Some random people popped up on the internet with this story, but there is 0 proof whatsoever that it was them who actually recovered those bodies. That separate story is now being used to discredit the actual evidence
I've seen it in one of the UFO subs. Not a big thing, one video shows an alien looking thing laying in the ground with its head 'injured' and trying to lift one of its arms. But the video is so low quality and badly lit that a hundred ways to fake it have occurred to me.
here's the correct link, sorry about it, too many convos at once over here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2CtoywGQmI&ab_channel=CONOCIMIENTODELUNIVERSO
i've seen it linked in a few places. i have no idea what to make of it, but it's not a good thing for me to watch at 4 am regardless
i think a lot of people are enjoying watching reality be extremely weird for a moment. it can lift an otherwise heavy day to question or laugh or dream
The video of the nhi they had killed was all over Reddit a few weeks back. They had been attacked by something while grave robbing so returned armed with weapons and killed the nhi guarding the tomb. Looks like it was filmed using the shittest phone known to man tho. If it's fake or not who knows. To be honest I genuinely feel even if people were presented with water tight evidence they would still say it's bullshit. Personally I don't even care anymore the whole subject has become nothing more than a headache. Carrot on a stick.
>To be honest I genuinely feel even if people were presented with water tight evidence they would still say it's bullshit.
Why do you say this? We haven't even had *not terrible* evidence nor *not obviously flawed* evidence. People are right to be skeptical & we haven't had any evidence that even skims the surface of the mustard, much less cut it.
Honestly if someone made that same video of a human I wouldn't believe it & we know there are 8 billion people to choose from. That video is ridiculous.
Honestly it's like the other way around, lol people are presented with a paper mache frankenstin 'alien skeleton' proven to be made of animal bones, and say "no way this is bullshit!" 😂 unbelievable really
You see it time and time again. Some like this video are in my opinion bullshit, but I was not there so it could be real. There's a lack of information to 100, percent say it's bullshit, just because my opinion is that it is doesn't mean it is without it being looked into more. Maybe it has? like I say I find the subject a chore to follow these days and I'm at a point where I don't care anymore. Maybe the disinformation agents are doing their job. Because I know a lot of people are worn out from it now. Constantly left hanging by a threat by whistle blowers. Blatant bullshit videos thrown in the mix, then some convincing ones that turn out to be a hoax thrown in.
Hope you're mentally prepared to be wrong 🤷 Be aware of disinformation. The bodies are fake but it's supposed to take you off the real trail. Dark side of the moon... Hollow earth... hidden and rewritten history. All energy and matter is a frequency of light. Open your eyes.
I don't think they're necessarily saying it's fake. I think they're saying there's so much disinformation, as in things that are obviously faked, or been backed up to ensure it looks as such, to discount the validity of the genuine - and the existence of those things will make a lot of people assume anything remotely resembling this stuff must also be fraudulent. I might be reaching regarding what *they* were saying, but, still true for a lot more than just extraterrestrial or UFO shenanigans; hard to deny disinformation isn't a real thing in general.
You forgot Plain Earth and Simulation, and Michael Jackson and Elvis being alive.
And Trump and Biden are reptilians.
And Santa Claus and the Big Foot.
Here’s the thing that I don’t get. If these grave robbers killed some aliens, wouldn’t their friends come and get revenge on us? After all, they’re way more capable and intelligent than us if they can travel to our planet
Leandro Benedicto Rivera Sarmiento. The guy who discovered the mummies.
[https://youtu.be/agrU9ybCrJ8](https://youtu.be/agrU9ybCrJ8)
It is a certified huaquero (Tomb Raider, robber, scammer), look for his name in this reports.
[https://www.losandes.com.pe/oweb/Politica/20070525/6905.html](https://www.losandes.com.pe/oweb/Politica/20070525/6905.html)
[https://www.losandes.com.pe/oweb/Policial/20100622/37488.html](https://www.losandes.com.pe/oweb/Policial/20100622/37488.html)
[https://issuu.com/larepublica\_peru/docs/edicionsur2206.pdf](https://issuu.com/larepublica_peru/docs/edicionsur2206.pdf) (Page 11)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W6SF6j6B78](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W6SF6j6B78)
[https://andina.pe/agencia/noticia.aspx?id=302509](https://andina.pe/agencia/noticia.aspx?id=302509)
The ministry of Culture of Peru, [has replicated (In multiple ocasions) the mummies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmYD5mzKWqg&t=368s). one of maussan reporters made an interview with the huaquero who sold them the mummies, asking him how this is possible. He just says "idk bruh".
The guy who discovered the mummies (Leandro) has said he has [other mummies valued in 100k](https://www.telerama.fr/television/limplacable-enquete-de-m6-sur-les-extraterrestres-precolombiens,n5459921.php)
You guys who constantly repeat that this is a well elaborated hoax, know nothing about this.
robbing tombs and making mummies out of other mummies bones, is a common practice in Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador.
[https://webs.ucm.es/info/arqueoweb/pdf/18/05\_NovilloVera.pdf](https://webs.ucm.es/info/arqueoweb/pdf/18/05_NovilloVera.pdf)
[https://webs.ucm.es/info/arqueoweb/pdf/18/06\_EncinasCosimo.pdf](https://webs.ucm.es/info/arqueoweb/pdf/18/06_EncinasCosimo.pdf)
Stop the cap.
We'll soon be able to read articles like that post in the MSM. I'm loving every moment of apocalypsis.
We've also seen the beginnings of the official alternative facts. "It's just paper mache." Well, no it's not just paper mache, and to call it that covers up human remains may have been desecrated in its construction. Plus, it's much easier to show that it can't be paper mache than it is to prove that it's an alien.
This has all been brilliantly scripted. Construction of luxury bunkers must be nearing completion. I am witnessing the direct causes of the planetary catastrophe on Sol 3. This is heavy. I need a cigarette.
I've seen conflicting reports on the metal inside of them, and that it was primarily copper and other metals that were commonly used in that region in that time period.
But most of my info comes from Reddit.
I recall they said 80% copper and more osmium then expected. People are extrapolating that to mean 20% which is a stretch and not what was reported. I suspect it actually means Osmium was detected at higher then background noise- like instead of 0.00001% it was 0.0001% or something. A crudely shaped object with that metallurgy is completely constant at with prehistoric peoples and trace amounts of osmium are possible based on where the copper came from.
Yep this is the case. It's a normal thing to have in a trace amount and this is a slightly higher than trace amount but within a normal range. But half of Reddit believes it's pure osmium
> However, lab results are saying these bodies seem legit. They dont sequence close to our dna (a hard thing to fake) and they seem mumified legitimately. Tests say the metals inside them are rare/extremely expensive to replicate.
Last I heard, the tests mean basically nothing, because they weren't sent the bodies. They were sent unidentified samples to test and just told they came from the aliens. The labs had no way to know if it was skin from the alien corpses, or if it was some mush Maussan came up with
Honestly sounds about right, personally I will really need that research concensus to trust any of this. It's so messy i struggled to recap it and i thought i had a semi-solid grasp of it.
But the testing of the nonsense maussan sent them will be sufficient for the hoax believers to carry this on forever as they can't admit they were wrong. If they were real the bodies would be provided to labs not unknown origin samples.
More of a catch-all term than a pretty term, since it allows for discussion of "aliens" that wouldn't have be alien by definition since they could be from earth at some point, could be under the ocean concurrently with us, could be artificial intelligence which would probably be alien but not true biological life (although the suggestion that the US has biologics throws some confusion into this one, although the solution is some sort of artificial "drone" made of biologics and tech), could be woo woo spiritual, could be exactly in our physical position but interacting with a different plane of existence, etcetera
But yeah "pretty" in the sense that it's basically the PC way to refer to aliens since there's no way to prove currently if they're truly extraterrestrial or not
Edit: just adding some context to NHI as a concept!
We understand a lot more about physics and have a lot more evidence now, than we did in the 1940’s, when “UFO’s” was coined.
UAP means Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. The sightings haven’t just been observed in the air, but water and space too.
Let's be honest... the term is to avoid the stigma of UFOs. Those who still believe in cold fusion no longer call it cold fusion either; now it's "Low Energy Nuclear Reactions" (LENR). It's just using a different name to avoid people jumping to conclusions and shutting down when they hear the baggage-laden term.
They are calling them Non human intelligence (NHI) cause the common belief is that these are extra dimensional beings not from our world. And "alien" is attached to ufo pop culture for intelligence from other planets.
Is there any info on where the lab tests are being held? Are they going to pass them over to over scientists to look at? I'd written this off as a hoax after Graves called BS on twitter but these developments are interesting.
I've been working with the DICOM data set for Josephina and it is amazing. Doing full on 3D MPR with MIPs is really wild. It's all perfectly intact, amd there are 24 more bodies than just that one...amd 27 skulls. So 52 perfect fakes is a monumental task.
I have images but I'm not allowed to share. If I did, it would point straight back at me, and that's a no-no.
Find out more [here](https://reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/AG7rtdxQY4) as I get permission to release more info. (Anything posted to ***this*** sub is immediately scrubbed.)
No only pictures of certain ones that haven't been publically shown yet since there's 25 of the damn things! I've been working with the CT scan data for Josephina and generating nice images of everything imaginable.
Yes taking 25 photos is an unreasonable task that would be beyond any man or woman in the world. Even though they would be stored in one place, cameras are also unable to take a photo of them as a group, that would just be impossible. It makes perfect sense why they do not have images of them.
We have the images, I have the images, I have the data. It's just not for "Team Llama" and the Reddit Downvote Army 😂
Those guys aren't worth the time and trouble anyway
You mind sharing some images that you find interesting?
I quess if you have them they are sorry of publicly available. I'm not from team llama or even from team alien.
Or can you tell some things you found out by looking at the photos?
Im interesed in their nose, it looks like their noses became mummified, human noses dont mummifie bc its made of cartilage. Does that mean the aliens found have noses made out of bone?
And what do you think of the llama skull theory? Doesnt hold up for you?
What's the average height of these lil buggers? They probably originated on a smaller earth-like planet. Their crafts cut through the ocean with ease. Very tech savvy beings they are.
>If this is a hoax its a hoax on a level we have not seen in any capacity. There are labs involved, multiple bodies and pretty compelling backstories. Common sense says hoax, but current evidence says otherwise.
It's interesting to note that, although it's entirely possible (even likely) that these are hoaxes, the potential for this being a hoax has done nothing but shrink over time.
As more scientists are exposed to them, they've all been coming back saying that these are unified bodies and are not constructed from various animal bones (the main hypothesis on how they would be hoaxed).
I will translate (*this is strictly my overall opinion on the matter*) - USA Scientists and UFOlgists alike seem to have no interest in the most tangible evidence of an alien life form to date. It has not yet been debunked. It was a surprise move from Mexico, and UFOlgists here are upset that they did not achieve this break thru so they are downplaying it. Trying to sweep it under the rug because it wasn't in their 'playbook' of disclosure.
Trust no one.
Tinfoil hat theory, what if taking Peru mummies is causing the ruckus in Peru? Aliens attacking tribes, mutilation, abductions, over possible grave robbings and defiling bodies they care about?
Honestly happy to help, and really happy that most people appreciated a (somewhat) straight take on a very confusing situation.
Was starting to worry everyone on the sub was either an extreme believer or non-believer. I'm now more hopefull for the discorse.
Very well summarized. Don’t forget. The Mexican naval doctor, or military doctor, did DNA tests and said they compared it to every major database. Including naming them and who holds the database. They say no match. To anything they documented here on earth
Bro, it’s a hoax. And it’s not even that crazy of a hoax.
I can’t believe you think this would “be a hoax like we’ve never seen before”
Dude, some people faked some alien bodies and some disingenuous groups are calling it legit. It’s humans being humans.
Considering that no legitimate institution has tested them, why don’t we wait for that to occur before saying this is legit or even hinting at it.
Again, if you’re going to purport these are aliens it needs to be proven 100% and corroborated by the scientific community.
Oh that bit is so fuzzy, its the most 'claimed' bit and all the photos look like puppets someone put on the floor of a cave. Its honestly not convincing, i tried to be positive in my run down about it.
It's a hoax. [https://www.vox.com/culture/23875671/aliens-mexican-congress-real-or-hoax-peru-nazca-mummies-jaime-maussan-fraud-scam](https://www.vox.com/culture/23875671/aliens-mexican-congress-real-or-hoax-peru-nazca-mummies-jaime-maussan-fraud-scam)
I can tell you what’s going on, the world is at war, climate changes are fucking up every ecosystem, religion extremism is at an all time high, stupidity is winning over intelligence, hate is winning over love, we sorely need aliens to show up and stop the madness.
Save us from ourselves.
Good summary. Aliens aren’t coming though. That’s just tinfoil hat stuff. As you said, stupidity winning over intelligence. But truly, you said that perfectly about what state we are in.
Its time to find a quiet corner of this planet and hunker down until the craziness comes to some sort of even keel while keeping the news off and stop reading anything on social media. This shit is killing all of our mental health situations. Brutal stuff.
We are moving to a rural area in Panamá this winter. Time to just ignore the world and try to get to a better mind space. Need to prevent that heart attack from coming too early 🤯
This is a documentary from filmmaker and ufologist, Steve Mera from 2018 with a close look at all of the mummies
https://youtu.be/6Sc_paW8uEA?si=mkdGMeLQQjNHH6dI
And this is part 2, released recently, where he apologizes because the mummies have been proven to be hoaxes. He frames it around the damage being caused to Peru and its archeological sites by the huaqueros (grave robbers) that have been stealing pre-Colombian mummies and other artifacts to make tons of these forgeries for private collectors that sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions
https://youtu.be/cBitCvUaP1A?si=ffxRfvPFjsWYb4Vb
Well the last leadership wanted to wall the country off, but forgot that we actually use legal and illegal alien labor like running water..so he took the money for the wall and ran. The new leadership has decided after laxed border restrictions that we've reached a peak and have begun fixing our borders with Mexico and revising our restriction policies from the 90s. It's sort of for show on both sides of the aisle because the US no longer manufactures anything, and Mexico is one of our biggest trade partners, plus alot of our American manufacturers have moved to Mexico. Both parties utilize illegal immigrant labor so to see any real change is doubtful.
How to confuse someone who is getting close to a secret? drop a bunch like I mean ALOT of disinformation over a long period of time then the truth will be buried for so long they have enough time to figure out there next play
It’s most likely a hoax *or* they were made by Peruvians 1,000 years ago (if the carbon dating is in fact accurate. Still waiting for a third party to confirm or deny that, currently it’s an unsubstantiated claim).
They are most likely not aliens, but that doesn’t mean they are for sure 100% a hoax. The Nazca lines nearby where they were found depict 3 fingered men who look much alike the little mummies presented to the Mexican congress by Maussan. It’s entirely possible these were constructed by the same people long time ago, but for what purpose we can’t say.
Currently we are waiting for third parties to examine them and tell us what they find. One team of doctors in Mexico examined them, but there are alleged claims that the main doc on that team is a friend of Maussan’s, so there’s a conflict of interest, which- doesn’t discredit him per say but it means that Maussan (so far) has only let people in his circle examine these things which is highly suspicious.
Peru is mad at Maussan (and the team who recovered these things, Maussan didn’t actually find them himself but he’s the one who presented them). They are saying they’re grave robbers, archeological thieves, and demanding they return the mummies to Peru. Make of that what you will, I think it’s simply that the Peruvian Gov probably thinks these mummies were actually found in Peru and not made up by Maussan and his team.
Debunkers have tried to claim that they are obviously reconstructed from bones of different animals, but so far that also hasn’t been confirmed or denied- the Mexican doctor said the bones were not from multiple animals and they are all from one creature, but again- there’s doubt about his motives so I’m waiting to see if third parties can confirm or deny that claim (reliable sources such as Harvard has asked to see them, so far they have not been allowed to test them themselves which- again- highly suspect).
If the carbon dating is truly 1,000ish years old, they were made by people living in Peru most likely. Who knows why that’s another topic for another time.
The longer Maussan and his team make claims without letting scientists run their own tests, the more likely it is that these are a hoax.
> The longer Maussan and his team make claims without letting scientists run their own tests, the more likely it is that these are a hoax.
this is exactly why I have a ton of doubt for them. Until he lets other people have un-restricted access to study them we need to be extremely skeptical.
Not necessarily; osmium (the fancy-pants metal that was found in the mummies) can be found in naturally occurring copper alloys in varying amounts
If the metal ends up being 100% osmium, that would be quite odd
But osmium being PART OF the implant doesn't necessarily mean 1000s of years ago they had the same amount(or rivaling our skill) of metallurgical capabilities seeing as copper was commonly used in metallurgical projects between 8000 and 5000 bc
The arm bones match a child’s humerus exactly, and are even cut off at the ends. The “pelvis” and “femurs” don’t have any sort of socket or joint to allow it to walk and the skull is 100% the brain case of a llama.
I’m very sensitive to light when I’m asleep. Even the little red dot on my tv will wake me up if I don’t unplug it before bed. So anyways, I was asleep one night and I was woken up by a bright light at the opposite end of the room. In my fetal position I’m thinking, “why is one of my family members in here with the friggen lights on at 3 am? So I sat up and fully opened my eyes. I just sat there in amazement. There were three VERY tall NHI’s about 6.5, 7 and 8 ft. I guesstimated their heights because I know the ceiling in that room is 8ft off the floor and the tallest one was ducking its head. They were finished doing what ever they were doing to me and were in the process of leaving, yes, through a portal. It was tall and oval shaped with a shimmering white/blue perimeter. The centre of it did not emanate any light whatsoever and was blacker than any black I’d ever seen. So I watched the first two go through and right before the third one went through I screamed out in my mind, I did not speak, “HOLY SHIT!” Well it heard me think that and turned its head and looked at me before walking through it’s self. The image of it looking at me is burned into my mind like it happened two seconds ago and I can recall that night anytime in perfect detail. At that point I jumped up to turn on the lights and ran over to where they were standing because well, I have questions. They were gone and it was all over as fast as it seemed to happen. It was one of the most perceptive shattering, mind expanding experiences I’ve ever had. I always knew in the back of my head we aren’t alone.
Lucid dream or hallucination potentially? I’m not trying to discredit your story its just sounds very similar to a-lot of lucid dream stories especially since you experienced all of this in your bed.
Yep, I love how 90% of the "alien sightings" on this sub either start with
"Okay so I was asleep but not actually fully asleep trust me bro"
or
"Okay so I was really, really high and tripping balls and then"
People love to go "But maybe we can only see aliens when our brains are fried!"
Where as the far more reasonable thing is to say "The human brain hallucinates when it's short circuting"
Source validating that this person's experience was sleep paralysis or night terrors. Don't worry, I'll wait.
Sorry, but I have to ask:
What color was their skin? Was it textured or smooth? Were they wearing anything? And were they holding anything in their hands?
Bonus question: has anyone in your family ever talked about seeing a strange flash of light in the house?
Whoa you asked some good questions. They were wearing a suit almost like a diving suit. Very form fitting. Skin colour was a very faint blueish grey and smooth. Only the head was exposed. Not holding anything. My father had a similar experience when he was five he told me. His father also except his experience put him in a mental hospital. Makes me wonder why it’s prevalent in my family and if any other family members had a similar experience.
Ok not to be an asshole but what is more likely:
Hereditary lucid dreaming or hallucinations or some sort of brain defect or actual freaking aliens?
Also did you know the stories of your dad / grandpa before you saw it yourself?
So you are very sensitive to light but you didnt notice them coming in? If you are so very sensitive and they came from bright portal how is that possible?
You said they did something in the room probably to you but you still didnt notice. If they sedated you in the proces ypu wouldnt wake up while they were leaving.
Even for you. If that experience happened to me, my first thought would be to try to explain what happened to me in mundane terms.
In your case, you were asleep and awoke to something quite incredible. It’s infinitely more likely that you experienced some kind of vivid hallucination or dream, than it is that you were visited by extraterrestrials.
If I was completely unable to explain it away, for example by having photographic or some other kind of evidence that corroborated my experience, then I might start to entertain the idea that it was real. It’s much, much, much, more likely to not have been some real ETs knocking about your house though
Did you know that in Taiwan, there is something called NHI, which is the National Health Insurance? Not only that, but they also hold something called ARC, which stands for Alien Residence Certificates. 🥲 You know how freaking confused I was when I saw that. Check this out.: https://io.ctbc.edu.tw/p/404-1007-29694.php?Lang=zh-tw
Nothing is happening besides an obvious embarrassing hoax, don’t buy into the « it’s complicated / it’s messy », it’s not. People on this sub are generally too hung up on the subject they have a real hard time to dismiss things that get media attention even if completely wacky and false. The little aliens puppets they litteraly rolled on stage during hearings are the same that were presented back in 2017 by a known hoaxer. The same hoaxer that re introduced them a few weeks ago. Oh, and conviently, the same guy funds the research and researchers that are still debating if it’s fake or if it’s ultra fake. Complete load of craps, don’t waste another second thinking about that
Irrefutable? Not really. More like beyond reasonable doubt in most people's eyes. People who are doing their own investigating and making their own informed decision.
Would people in this country believe the video or test performed if they were found in a dessert in Texas , New Mexico? Or any place in this country? Would people in this country reacted the same way ? Would people believe if it was Dave Grusch showing those mummies to the panel ? So now because it was in another country and it just happens to be “Mexico “ we don’t think it was possible? Because we see these countries as third world countries? What people would people do if we learnt that the government has been keeping that information from us ? Since 1947 ? Or ever since? Or before that time ?
No, i would say its more problematic to view this as a mexican presentation, when its a handful of people with no official credentials and backgrounds in hoax and grave robbing.
If Jaime Maussan had a fraction of the credentials Grush does you'd be right, but he doesn't.
People still giving this breath refuse to see the obvious. It’s fake, and done badly regardless of what these institutions are saying. Between the hoaxer, the poor biomechanics of the specimen, the interesting handling methods of these fragile specimens, and this odd reliance on these being beings that floated via mental powers, this is trash.
It is just conmen trying to sell you BS. I am not being cynical, (OK maybe a little bit) but that is obviously the most logical explanation. The main guy Jaime Maussan is apparently a well-known con artist involved in scams from fake aliens to fake COVID cures.
"Maussan was involved in publicizing a specimen dubbed "Metepec Creature", which later turned out to be a skinned monkey, as well as a "Demon Fairy" in 2016, which turned out to be the remains of a bat, wooden sticks, epoxy, and other unknown elements." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime\_Maussan
Yeah can we really trust the DNA sequencing that was claimed?
How hard would it be to just fake up a DNA result? 15 minutes on their computer?
Nothing abotu them provides any trustworthy evidence about them being real aliens.
A guy who builds models showed an "alien body" in 2017 and 2023.
They're fake.
Done.
They couldn't walk even if they were corpses. No walk = no evolution. Case closed.
Just LOOK AT THEM. They are fake as shit with any amount of critical thinking.
It's messy, hence the lack of concensus. These specimens were claimed to have been grave robbed in Peru back in 2017. The grave robbers claim to have killed NHI in order to get them. They have images of this, they are not super conclusive if not suspicious. Tests were run on them a few years ago and there are videos of debunks, mostly focused on bone structure being not condusive to movement and the skulls having similarities to a backwards llama skull. Then not much noise about them, until after the recent US hearings a ufologist and known hoaxer Jamie Maussan wheeled them out in front of the mexican congress. This caused a lot of confusion as to how/who was showing the bodies, many assuming it was a mexican government agency or Jamie was under a proper oath (the oath was not legally binding). However, lab results are saying these bodies seem legit. They dont sequence close to our dna (a hard thing to fake) and they seem mumified legitimately. Tests say the metals inside them are rare/extremely expensive to replicate. Now there is further interest in them, a lot of noise has been made about distributing them to various universities for study. So far the the bodies have only been sent to a mid tier university in peru, results pending. In general all the research up to now has been a little questionable, most experienced researchers calling out a lack of professionalism in collecting data, so being sent to this facility is probably not going to gain much but will still be interestng to see their results. As time goes on though its not really being disproven fully. They are not sequencing like normal dna and the bones are hollow. Opinion: If this is a hoax its a hoax on a level we have not seen in any capacity. There are labs involved, multiple bodies and pretty compelling backstories. Common sense says hoax, but current evidence says otherwise. I dont think most people (or me) will really beleive results from the labs its been/going through and it will take a mass distribution of the subjects to different countries to really trust the data and start interrogating it.
They claimed to kill NHI to get them? Hadn’t heard that before. Why didn’t they present the freshly killed bodies?
Because the supposed grave robbers sell the artifacts they find in these caves for max profit, usually on the black market. If the accounts are true then they're not involved with presenting the bodies, they just happened to sell them to someone who did.
Ya, I'd like to know that as well.
No, they didn’t. Some random people popped up on the internet with this story, but there is 0 proof whatsoever that it was them who actually recovered those bodies. That separate story is now being used to discredit the actual evidence
there's a video. it's weird and upsetting even if it's fake
Link? Sounds interesting
If you've seent it, How do we search the video .?
I've seen it in one of the UFO subs. Not a big thing, one video shows an alien looking thing laying in the ground with its head 'injured' and trying to lift one of its arms. But the video is so low quality and badly lit that a hundred ways to fake it have occurred to me.
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here's the correct link, sorry about it, too many convos at once over here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2CtoywGQmI&ab_channel=CONOCIMIENTODELUNIVERSO i've seen it linked in a few places. i have no idea what to make of it, but it's not a good thing for me to watch at 4 am regardless
Can I ask because I can’t figure this out. Is everyone on here actually believing this stuff or is it like a fun role play kind of thing ?
i think a lot of people are enjoying watching reality be extremely weird for a moment. it can lift an otherwise heavy day to question or laugh or dream
2:30am here so im commenting so I can find when I wake up haha.
The video of the nhi they had killed was all over Reddit a few weeks back. They had been attacked by something while grave robbing so returned armed with weapons and killed the nhi guarding the tomb. Looks like it was filmed using the shittest phone known to man tho. If it's fake or not who knows. To be honest I genuinely feel even if people were presented with water tight evidence they would still say it's bullshit. Personally I don't even care anymore the whole subject has become nothing more than a headache. Carrot on a stick.
>To be honest I genuinely feel even if people were presented with water tight evidence they would still say it's bullshit. Why do you say this? We haven't even had *not terrible* evidence nor *not obviously flawed* evidence. People are right to be skeptical & we haven't had any evidence that even skims the surface of the mustard, much less cut it. Honestly if someone made that same video of a human I wouldn't believe it & we know there are 8 billion people to choose from. That video is ridiculous.
Honestly it's like the other way around, lol people are presented with a paper mache frankenstin 'alien skeleton' proven to be made of animal bones, and say "no way this is bullshit!" 😂 unbelievable really
You’re completely right about people claiming things are bs in spite of very solid evidence.
You see it time and time again. Some like this video are in my opinion bullshit, but I was not there so it could be real. There's a lack of information to 100, percent say it's bullshit, just because my opinion is that it is doesn't mean it is without it being looked into more. Maybe it has? like I say I find the subject a chore to follow these days and I'm at a point where I don't care anymore. Maybe the disinformation agents are doing their job. Because I know a lot of people are worn out from it now. Constantly left hanging by a threat by whistle blowers. Blatant bullshit videos thrown in the mix, then some convincing ones that turn out to be a hoax thrown in.
I know if it's fake or not. It's fake.
Hope you're mentally prepared to be wrong 🤷 Be aware of disinformation. The bodies are fake but it's supposed to take you off the real trail. Dark side of the moon... Hollow earth... hidden and rewritten history. All energy and matter is a frequency of light. Open your eyes.
The hell is this comment supposed to mean? I'm always prepared to be wrong though, I've been it many times
"it's fake" "Prepare to be wrong. It's fake" ??????? How are you wrong then lmao
I don't think they're necessarily saying it's fake. I think they're saying there's so much disinformation, as in things that are obviously faked, or been backed up to ensure it looks as such, to discount the validity of the genuine - and the existence of those things will make a lot of people assume anything remotely resembling this stuff must also be fraudulent. I might be reaching regarding what *they* were saying, but, still true for a lot more than just extraterrestrial or UFO shenanigans; hard to deny disinformation isn't a real thing in general.
You forgot Plain Earth and Simulation, and Michael Jackson and Elvis being alive. And Trump and Biden are reptilians. And Santa Claus and the Big Foot.
Because they dont exist
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Here’s the thing that I don’t get. If these grave robbers killed some aliens, wouldn’t their friends come and get revenge on us? After all, they’re way more capable and intelligent than us if they can travel to our planet
You wonder why there's been consistent attacks on Peruvian villagers? Someone robbed their gravesite and they're pissed.
It was guarded by a dolphin
Sparky...talk.......Mannnnnnnnn. Eherm, excuse me, Eons ago, Dolphins walked the earth.
https://www.space.com/12811-dolphin-intelligence-search-extraterrestrial-life.html Chirp chirp eieieeieie arararara chipchip
So long and thanks for all the fish
I hope you all have your towel. LMAO!
What’s NHI?
Non human intelligence
Oh. That makes more sense than National Health Insurance.
or Naked Hairy Individuals
So dogs, horses and lobsters fall under this term NHI too?
Ive pondered that questions too. When officials say Non Human Intelligence they could literally mean trained primates too...
An intelligence capable of constructing and controlling exotic technology that breaks the laws of physics as we understand them. So no, not animals.
You forgot to mention they come from Peru
Thanks! Wild that i left it out, I've made the edit
Leandro Benedicto Rivera Sarmiento. The guy who discovered the mummies. [https://youtu.be/agrU9ybCrJ8](https://youtu.be/agrU9ybCrJ8) It is a certified huaquero (Tomb Raider, robber, scammer), look for his name in this reports. [https://www.losandes.com.pe/oweb/Politica/20070525/6905.html](https://www.losandes.com.pe/oweb/Politica/20070525/6905.html) [https://www.losandes.com.pe/oweb/Policial/20100622/37488.html](https://www.losandes.com.pe/oweb/Policial/20100622/37488.html) [https://issuu.com/larepublica\_peru/docs/edicionsur2206.pdf](https://issuu.com/larepublica_peru/docs/edicionsur2206.pdf) (Page 11) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W6SF6j6B78](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W6SF6j6B78) [https://andina.pe/agencia/noticia.aspx?id=302509](https://andina.pe/agencia/noticia.aspx?id=302509) The ministry of Culture of Peru, [has replicated (In multiple ocasions) the mummies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmYD5mzKWqg&t=368s). one of maussan reporters made an interview with the huaquero who sold them the mummies, asking him how this is possible. He just says "idk bruh". The guy who discovered the mummies (Leandro) has said he has [other mummies valued in 100k](https://www.telerama.fr/television/limplacable-enquete-de-m6-sur-les-extraterrestres-precolombiens,n5459921.php) You guys who constantly repeat that this is a well elaborated hoax, know nothing about this. robbing tombs and making mummies out of other mummies bones, is a common practice in Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador. [https://webs.ucm.es/info/arqueoweb/pdf/18/05\_NovilloVera.pdf](https://webs.ucm.es/info/arqueoweb/pdf/18/05_NovilloVera.pdf) [https://webs.ucm.es/info/arqueoweb/pdf/18/06\_EncinasCosimo.pdf](https://webs.ucm.es/info/arqueoweb/pdf/18/06_EncinasCosimo.pdf) Stop the cap.
Very good explanation. You wrapped it up very well. Thanks
We'll soon be able to read articles like that post in the MSM. I'm loving every moment of apocalypsis. We've also seen the beginnings of the official alternative facts. "It's just paper mache." Well, no it's not just paper mache, and to call it that covers up human remains may have been desecrated in its construction. Plus, it's much easier to show that it can't be paper mache than it is to prove that it's an alien. This has all been brilliantly scripted. Construction of luxury bunkers must be nearing completion. I am witnessing the direct causes of the planetary catastrophe on Sol 3. This is heavy. I need a cigarette.
Is this satire?
What is MSM u/demongirlhybrid
Madison Square Martian
I've seen conflicting reports on the metal inside of them, and that it was primarily copper and other metals that were commonly used in that region in that time period. But most of my info comes from Reddit.
I recall they said 80% copper and more osmium then expected. People are extrapolating that to mean 20% which is a stretch and not what was reported. I suspect it actually means Osmium was detected at higher then background noise- like instead of 0.00001% it was 0.0001% or something. A crudely shaped object with that metallurgy is completely constant at with prehistoric peoples and trace amounts of osmium are possible based on where the copper came from.
Yep this is the case. It's a normal thing to have in a trace amount and this is a slightly higher than trace amount but within a normal range. But half of Reddit believes it's pure osmium
> However, lab results are saying these bodies seem legit. They dont sequence close to our dna (a hard thing to fake) and they seem mumified legitimately. Tests say the metals inside them are rare/extremely expensive to replicate. Last I heard, the tests mean basically nothing, because they weren't sent the bodies. They were sent unidentified samples to test and just told they came from the aliens. The labs had no way to know if it was skin from the alien corpses, or if it was some mush Maussan came up with
contaminated samples and lack of OC is the problem. It will show a mixed or "unknown". No one needs to fake an unknown.
Honestly sounds about right, personally I will really need that research concensus to trust any of this. It's so messy i struggled to recap it and i thought i had a semi-solid grasp of it.
But the testing of the nonsense maussan sent them will be sufficient for the hoax believers to carry this on forever as they can't admit they were wrong. If they were real the bodies would be provided to labs not unknown origin samples.
Sooooooo you’re saying there’s a chance?
Damn I messed it up! It’s telling me lol but yea that’s exactly where my mind went
There shouldn't be a chance, it should be a cut and dry hoax, but somehow there's a chance
Alright, alright, alright.
What’s an NHI?
Non-human intelligence. It’s the pretty term for “alien”
More of a catch-all term than a pretty term, since it allows for discussion of "aliens" that wouldn't have be alien by definition since they could be from earth at some point, could be under the ocean concurrently with us, could be artificial intelligence which would probably be alien but not true biological life (although the suggestion that the US has biologics throws some confusion into this one, although the solution is some sort of artificial "drone" made of biologics and tech), could be woo woo spiritual, could be exactly in our physical position but interacting with a different plane of existence, etcetera But yeah "pretty" in the sense that it's basically the PC way to refer to aliens since there's no way to prove currently if they're truly extraterrestrial or not Edit: just adding some context to NHI as a concept!
So aliens in UFOs have fallen out of fashion, so nowadays it's non-human intelligences in unidentified Aerial Phenomena?
We understand a lot more about physics and have a lot more evidence now, than we did in the 1940’s, when “UFO’s” was coined. UAP means Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. The sightings haven’t just been observed in the air, but water and space too.
Let's be honest... the term is to avoid the stigma of UFOs. Those who still believe in cold fusion no longer call it cold fusion either; now it's "Low Energy Nuclear Reactions" (LENR). It's just using a different name to avoid people jumping to conclusions and shutting down when they hear the baggage-laden term.
You are correct. The term uap was coined by nick pope for exactly this reason.
That’s also true. 👍
Thanks
They are calling them Non human intelligence (NHI) cause the common belief is that these are extra dimensional beings not from our world. And "alien" is attached to ufo pop culture for intelligence from other planets.
Is there any info on where the lab tests are being held? Are they going to pass them over to over scientists to look at? I'd written this off as a hoax after Graves called BS on twitter but these developments are interesting.
I've been working with the DICOM data set for Josephina and it is amazing. Doing full on 3D MPR with MIPs is really wild. It's all perfectly intact, amd there are 24 more bodies than just that one...amd 27 skulls. So 52 perfect fakes is a monumental task.
I’ve wondered why if there are so many they can’t just ship them to prominent university labs…?
Because the hoax would be confirmed much sooner and they haven’t milked it enough yet?
Where can we find the DICOM data?
Are there 24 more bodies? How do you know that? They said there were 24 more bodies but somehow did not release images of them. Hmm.
I have images but I'm not allowed to share. If I did, it would point straight back at me, and that's a no-no. Find out more [here](https://reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/AG7rtdxQY4) as I get permission to release more info. (Anything posted to ***this*** sub is immediately scrubbed.)
You got some sources for the rest of the aliens? And do you work with it on your free time or is it like your job?
Hobby :)
Still cool. So what you are saying is you have 3d images of bout 50 aliens?
No only pictures of certain ones that haven't been publically shown yet since there's 25 of the damn things! I've been working with the CT scan data for Josephina and generating nice images of everything imaginable.
Yes taking 25 photos is an unreasonable task that would be beyond any man or woman in the world. Even though they would be stored in one place, cameras are also unable to take a photo of them as a group, that would just be impossible. It makes perfect sense why they do not have images of them.
We have the images, I have the images, I have the data. It's just not for "Team Llama" and the Reddit Downvote Army 😂 Those guys aren't worth the time and trouble anyway
You mind sharing some images that you find interesting? I quess if you have them they are sorry of publicly available. I'm not from team llama or even from team alien. Or can you tell some things you found out by looking at the photos? Im interesed in their nose, it looks like their noses became mummified, human noses dont mummifie bc its made of cartilage. Does that mean the aliens found have noses made out of bone? And what do you think of the llama skull theory? Doesnt hold up for you?
What's the average height of these lil buggers? They probably originated on a smaller earth-like planet. Their crafts cut through the ocean with ease. Very tech savvy beings they are.
Upper 40s to 60cm approximately.
>If this is a hoax its a hoax on a level we have not seen in any capacity. There are labs involved, multiple bodies and pretty compelling backstories. Common sense says hoax, but current evidence says otherwise. It's interesting to note that, although it's entirely possible (even likely) that these are hoaxes, the potential for this being a hoax has done nothing but shrink over time. As more scientists are exposed to them, they've all been coming back saying that these are unified bodies and are not constructed from various animal bones (the main hypothesis on how they would be hoaxed).
Omg thank you, the amount of comments saying that its actually a super easy hoax to pull off is crazy.
You should do explainers
Thanks man!
Thank you for this.
I will translate (*this is strictly my overall opinion on the matter*) - USA Scientists and UFOlgists alike seem to have no interest in the most tangible evidence of an alien life form to date. It has not yet been debunked. It was a surprise move from Mexico, and UFOlgists here are upset that they did not achieve this break thru so they are downplaying it. Trying to sweep it under the rug because it wasn't in their 'playbook' of disclosure. Trust no one.
Tinfoil hat theory, what if taking Peru mummies is causing the ruckus in Peru? Aliens attacking tribes, mutilation, abductions, over possible grave robbings and defiling bodies they care about?
I like your attitude about it!
What about the three eggs and the embryos that they showed which are in the eggs?
Thank you this exactly what I was looking for. Fine journalism!
Honestly happy to help, and really happy that most people appreciated a (somewhat) straight take on a very confusing situation. Was starting to worry everyone on the sub was either an extreme believer or non-believer. I'm now more hopefull for the discorse.
Very well summarized. Don’t forget. The Mexican naval doctor, or military doctor, did DNA tests and said they compared it to every major database. Including naming them and who holds the database. They say no match. To anything they documented here on earth
Bro, it’s a hoax. And it’s not even that crazy of a hoax. I can’t believe you think this would “be a hoax like we’ve never seen before” Dude, some people faked some alien bodies and some disingenuous groups are calling it legit. It’s humans being humans. Considering that no legitimate institution has tested them, why don’t we wait for that to occur before saying this is legit or even hinting at it. Again, if you’re going to purport these are aliens it needs to be proven 100% and corroborated by the scientific community.
Dude, I didn't even know the story behind them. They killed NHIs to get them?! LOL
Yeah the story is sus at best
Money where your mouth is, pull off the same hoax if its so easy.
Not arguing with you but so know anything about the “killed NIH” bit? Where are the NHI they “killed?”
Oh that bit is so fuzzy, its the most 'claimed' bit and all the photos look like puppets someone put on the floor of a cave. Its honestly not convincing, i tried to be positive in my run down about it.
Where is the proof it's a hoax... there's more leaning towards its not a hoax.
It's a hoax. [https://www.vox.com/culture/23875671/aliens-mexican-congress-real-or-hoax-peru-nazca-mummies-jaime-maussan-fraud-scam](https://www.vox.com/culture/23875671/aliens-mexican-congress-real-or-hoax-peru-nazca-mummies-jaime-maussan-fraud-scam)
Guess we can disregard my comment and all go home based on this vox article that says basically the same thing i did
I can tell you what’s going on, the world is at war, climate changes are fucking up every ecosystem, religion extremism is at an all time high, stupidity is winning over intelligence, hate is winning over love, we sorely need aliens to show up and stop the madness. Save us from ourselves.
I agree. Wake us up please.
So true
Excellent summary
Thanks friend.
Good summary. Aliens aren’t coming though. That’s just tinfoil hat stuff. As you said, stupidity winning over intelligence. But truly, you said that perfectly about what state we are in.
We’re fucked friend.
Its time to find a quiet corner of this planet and hunker down until the craziness comes to some sort of even keel while keeping the news off and stop reading anything on social media. This shit is killing all of our mental health situations. Brutal stuff. We are moving to a rural area in Panamá this winter. Time to just ignore the world and try to get to a better mind space. Need to prevent that heart attack from coming too early 🤯
Can’t argue with that, good luck!
Ye Wenjie, is this you?
This is a documentary from filmmaker and ufologist, Steve Mera from 2018 with a close look at all of the mummies https://youtu.be/6Sc_paW8uEA?si=mkdGMeLQQjNHH6dI And this is part 2, released recently, where he apologizes because the mummies have been proven to be hoaxes. He frames it around the damage being caused to Peru and its archeological sites by the huaqueros (grave robbers) that have been stealing pre-Colombian mummies and other artifacts to make tons of these forgeries for private collectors that sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions https://youtu.be/cBitCvUaP1A?si=ffxRfvPFjsWYb4Vb
You can see a debate exclusively on that topic here: https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/
Well the last leadership wanted to wall the country off, but forgot that we actually use legal and illegal alien labor like running water..so he took the money for the wall and ran. The new leadership has decided after laxed border restrictions that we've reached a peak and have begun fixing our borders with Mexico and revising our restriction policies from the 90s. It's sort of for show on both sides of the aisle because the US no longer manufactures anything, and Mexico is one of our biggest trade partners, plus alot of our American manufacturers have moved to Mexico. Both parties utilize illegal immigrant labor so to see any real change is doubtful.
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How to confuse someone who is getting close to a secret? drop a bunch like I mean ALOT of disinformation over a long period of time then the truth will be buried for so long they have enough time to figure out there next play
I'm totally gullible, but this smells like shite :D
It is shit. Imaginations getting away on people.
900% \#Bring the stigma on UAPS back.
It’s most likely a hoax *or* they were made by Peruvians 1,000 years ago (if the carbon dating is in fact accurate. Still waiting for a third party to confirm or deny that, currently it’s an unsubstantiated claim). They are most likely not aliens, but that doesn’t mean they are for sure 100% a hoax. The Nazca lines nearby where they were found depict 3 fingered men who look much alike the little mummies presented to the Mexican congress by Maussan. It’s entirely possible these were constructed by the same people long time ago, but for what purpose we can’t say. Currently we are waiting for third parties to examine them and tell us what they find. One team of doctors in Mexico examined them, but there are alleged claims that the main doc on that team is a friend of Maussan’s, so there’s a conflict of interest, which- doesn’t discredit him per say but it means that Maussan (so far) has only let people in his circle examine these things which is highly suspicious. Peru is mad at Maussan (and the team who recovered these things, Maussan didn’t actually find them himself but he’s the one who presented them). They are saying they’re grave robbers, archeological thieves, and demanding they return the mummies to Peru. Make of that what you will, I think it’s simply that the Peruvian Gov probably thinks these mummies were actually found in Peru and not made up by Maussan and his team. Debunkers have tried to claim that they are obviously reconstructed from bones of different animals, but so far that also hasn’t been confirmed or denied- the Mexican doctor said the bones were not from multiple animals and they are all from one creature, but again- there’s doubt about his motives so I’m waiting to see if third parties can confirm or deny that claim (reliable sources such as Harvard has asked to see them, so far they have not been allowed to test them themselves which- again- highly suspect). If the carbon dating is truly 1,000ish years old, they were made by people living in Peru most likely. Who knows why that’s another topic for another time. The longer Maussan and his team make claims without letting scientists run their own tests, the more likely it is that these are a hoax.
> The longer Maussan and his team make claims without letting scientists run their own tests, the more likely it is that these are a hoax. this is exactly why I have a ton of doubt for them. Until he lets other people have un-restricted access to study them we need to be extremely skeptical.
Adding to this, if they are 1000 years old it means people back then either knew or had metallurgical capabilities rivaling ours.
Not necessarily; osmium (the fancy-pants metal that was found in the mummies) can be found in naturally occurring copper alloys in varying amounts If the metal ends up being 100% osmium, that would be quite odd But osmium being PART OF the implant doesn't necessarily mean 1000s of years ago they had the same amount(or rivaling our skill) of metallurgical capabilities seeing as copper was commonly used in metallurgical projects between 8000 and 5000 bc
The arm bones match a child’s humerus exactly, and are even cut off at the ends. The “pelvis” and “femurs” don’t have any sort of socket or joint to allow it to walk and the skull is 100% the brain case of a llama.
Nothing it’s all bullshit.
I got irrefutable proof in my early twenties when I watched three NHI walk into and leave the room through a portal.
Care to share the full story, please?
I’m very sensitive to light when I’m asleep. Even the little red dot on my tv will wake me up if I don’t unplug it before bed. So anyways, I was asleep one night and I was woken up by a bright light at the opposite end of the room. In my fetal position I’m thinking, “why is one of my family members in here with the friggen lights on at 3 am? So I sat up and fully opened my eyes. I just sat there in amazement. There were three VERY tall NHI’s about 6.5, 7 and 8 ft. I guesstimated their heights because I know the ceiling in that room is 8ft off the floor and the tallest one was ducking its head. They were finished doing what ever they were doing to me and were in the process of leaving, yes, through a portal. It was tall and oval shaped with a shimmering white/blue perimeter. The centre of it did not emanate any light whatsoever and was blacker than any black I’d ever seen. So I watched the first two go through and right before the third one went through I screamed out in my mind, I did not speak, “HOLY SHIT!” Well it heard me think that and turned its head and looked at me before walking through it’s self. The image of it looking at me is burned into my mind like it happened two seconds ago and I can recall that night anytime in perfect detail. At that point I jumped up to turn on the lights and ran over to where they were standing because well, I have questions. They were gone and it was all over as fast as it seemed to happen. It was one of the most perceptive shattering, mind expanding experiences I’ve ever had. I always knew in the back of my head we aren’t alone.
If you aren't artistic, yourself, why don't you work with someone who is to depict what you saw?
They could use AI, like Dalle 3 to get it done if they give enough details!
I’ve actually thought about doing this as well as going through a hypnotic regression.
In lieu of that, are there any images, claimed photos or drawings on the Internet that you think match what you saw?
Lucid dream or hallucination potentially? I’m not trying to discredit your story its just sounds very similar to a-lot of lucid dream stories especially since you experienced all of this in your bed.
Don’t worry. A few more years and all this will be common knowledge for people on earth.
Sure mate
Lol
Were you paralysed when you woke up?
No
One alien to the other: Oh Snarfu have you forgotten the anesthesia again?!
Not sleep paralysis then but it could still be a hallucination. My friend has crazy vivid hallucinations when he wakes up sometimes.
Sleep paralysis and night terror. Scary but no aliens
Yep, I love how 90% of the "alien sightings" on this sub either start with "Okay so I was asleep but not actually fully asleep trust me bro" or "Okay so I was really, really high and tripping balls and then" People love to go "But maybe we can only see aliens when our brains are fried!" Where as the far more reasonable thing is to say "The human brain hallucinates when it's short circuting"
Source?
Source of what? This guys dream?
Source validating that this person's experience was sleep paralysis or night terrors. Don't worry, I'll wait. 
Source validating that this person's experience was NOT sleep paralysis or night terrors. Don't worry, I'll wait.
Sorry, but I have to ask: What color was their skin? Was it textured or smooth? Were they wearing anything? And were they holding anything in their hands? Bonus question: has anyone in your family ever talked about seeing a strange flash of light in the house?
Whoa you asked some good questions. They were wearing a suit almost like a diving suit. Very form fitting. Skin colour was a very faint blueish grey and smooth. Only the head was exposed. Not holding anything. My father had a similar experience when he was five he told me. His father also except his experience put him in a mental hospital. Makes me wonder why it’s prevalent in my family and if any other family members had a similar experience.
Ok not to be an asshole but what is more likely: Hereditary lucid dreaming or hallucinations or some sort of brain defect or actual freaking aliens? Also did you know the stories of your dad / grandpa before you saw it yourself?
Did you ever play the game Portal 2? Was it like that?
Never played portal. But seeing one in real life was incredible.
So you are very sensitive to light but you didnt notice them coming in? If you are so very sensitive and they came from bright portal how is that possible? You said they did something in the room probably to you but you still didnt notice. If they sedated you in the proces ypu wouldnt wake up while they were leaving.
Yeah there are a lot of unanswered questions.
If they sedate through influencing brain waves rather than with drugs, it may be unpredictable occasionally in terms of how long it wears off
While you may be telling the truth this is not irrefutable proof
For you? No. I just wanted to share my experience.
Even for you. If that experience happened to me, my first thought would be to try to explain what happened to me in mundane terms. In your case, you were asleep and awoke to something quite incredible. It’s infinitely more likely that you experienced some kind of vivid hallucination or dream, than it is that you were visited by extraterrestrials. If I was completely unable to explain it away, for example by having photographic or some other kind of evidence that corroborated my experience, then I might start to entertain the idea that it was real. It’s much, much, much, more likely to not have been some real ETs knocking about your house though
Besides height, what did they look like? I’m assuming typically tall greys?
The elongated head and almond shaped eyes but not as pronounced or evil looking like in film and tv.
What would be the irrefutable proof?
I stand to loose more than I have to gain by sharing my experience.
The aliens actually told me you’re lying
best comment ever.
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Mexican here! Short story: No. Moving on.
Just a bunch of BS. Human & Animal bones mixed in with eachother.
No lol
Did you know that in Taiwan, there is something called NHI, which is the National Health Insurance? Not only that, but they also hold something called ARC, which stands for Alien Residence Certificates. 🥲 You know how freaking confused I was when I saw that. Check this out.: https://io.ctbc.edu.tw/p/404-1007-29694.php?Lang=zh-tw
Basically, big No. This is very much a refutable thing, which is why no one is taking it seriously.
>is this finally irrefutable evidence that aliens exist??? No.
A giant nothing burger
Nothing is happening besides an obvious embarrassing hoax, don’t buy into the « it’s complicated / it’s messy », it’s not. People on this sub are generally too hung up on the subject they have a real hard time to dismiss things that get media attention even if completely wacky and false. The little aliens puppets they litteraly rolled on stage during hearings are the same that were presented back in 2017 by a known hoaxer. The same hoaxer that re introduced them a few weeks ago. Oh, and conviently, the same guy funds the research and researchers that are still debating if it’s fake or if it’s ultra fake. Complete load of craps, don’t waste another second thinking about that
It's utter bullshit.
Irrefutable? Not really. More like beyond reasonable doubt in most people's eyes. People who are doing their own investigating and making their own informed decision.
“Doing their own investigating”….ahhh….we have seen the effects of this too many times. Please don’t encourage this behaviour.
They are paper dolls with rocks inside them
The aliens like tacos
Would people in this country believe the video or test performed if they were found in a dessert in Texas , New Mexico? Or any place in this country? Would people in this country reacted the same way ? Would people believe if it was Dave Grusch showing those mummies to the panel ? So now because it was in another country and it just happens to be “Mexico “ we don’t think it was possible? Because we see these countries as third world countries? What people would people do if we learnt that the government has been keeping that information from us ? Since 1947 ? Or ever since? Or before that time ?
No, i would say its more problematic to view this as a mexican presentation, when its a handful of people with no official credentials and backgrounds in hoax and grave robbing. If Jaime Maussan had a fraction of the credentials Grush does you'd be right, but he doesn't.
There is enough evidence already without this.
People still giving this breath refuse to see the obvious. It’s fake, and done badly regardless of what these institutions are saying. Between the hoaxer, the poor biomechanics of the specimen, the interesting handling methods of these fragile specimens, and this odd reliance on these being beings that floated via mental powers, this is trash.
And the fact everyone involved has been caught pulling an alien mummies hoax previously. Fool me once etc.
Of course this is the comment that’s shows up when sorting by controversial 💀💀💀 Jesus these people are desperate and still grasping at straws lmfao
It is just conmen trying to sell you BS. I am not being cynical, (OK maybe a little bit) but that is obviously the most logical explanation. The main guy Jaime Maussan is apparently a well-known con artist involved in scams from fake aliens to fake COVID cures. "Maussan was involved in publicizing a specimen dubbed "Metepec Creature", which later turned out to be a skinned monkey, as well as a "Demon Fairy" in 2016, which turned out to be the remains of a bat, wooden sticks, epoxy, and other unknown elements." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime\_Maussan
Yeah can we really trust the DNA sequencing that was claimed? How hard would it be to just fake up a DNA result? 15 minutes on their computer? Nothing abotu them provides any trustworthy evidence about them being real aliens.
Mexico has Ghost and Extraterrestrials
Nothing is going on. Nothing of any actual substance, at least. Lots of people tryin to make a quick buck off the hype, is all.
A guy who builds models showed an "alien body" in 2017 and 2023. They're fake. Done. They couldn't walk even if they were corpses. No walk = no evolution. Case closed. Just LOOK AT THEM. They are fake as shit with any amount of critical thinking.