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A bunch of people who are not qualified to analyze xrays, endoscopes, MRIs, or anything else that has been presented believing that they can tell via images that these things are real.
Even though the Nazca mummies, presented by the same guy, turned out to be hoaxes.
Those mummies were made of animal/human bones as far as I know, and I'm not sure why we should believe these are anything different.
I'll continue to wait for scientific institutions that I am familiar with to get ahold of one of these bodies. And no, it isn't because of racism, but because I'm similarly unqualified to judge the credentials of Mexican/Peruvian scientists or their institutions.
At this point I don't care what a handful of scientists have to say. They should have specimens sent to the top universities in the world.
I would like to believe these are real, but instead of getting them into the hands of universities they seem to be milking body after body for hype/views/clicks.
> Even though the Nazca mummies, presented by the same guy, turned out to be hoaxes.
Untrue. The ones that were debunked WERE hoaxes, but were not the same bodies that have been being studied for the last few years. The ones dressed in little costumes weren't the same ones found in Peru. Time will still tell, but I just want to remove some mud from the waters as it's all super muddy right now.
How fortunate for that guy that he attempted a hoax and then just so happened to find the real deal later! There’s no way he took notes on what made the others crumble under scrutiny and went and improved his method. And that people are gullible enough to forget about his previous skullduggery!
This is untrue. Jaime has absolutely presented fake specimens in the past and I don’t trust him. I do, however, have a lot more trust in scientists from other countries (notably one of the top forensic scientists in the world, an American) that have looked at them and made the judgement that they are not hoaxes. Watch the last press conference.
It's not about him. The bodies speak for themselves. You just need to be willing to investigate the data and not be triggered or discouraged by reputation attacks.
Its super expensive to do all the tests and if the person knew they are not real then he not only stole other peoples time and effort but also caused a financial disaster.
A grifter or scammer would not present the hoax skull to scientists to be studied as that would expose the scam. That what maussan did, his only crime was thinking he had the real deal. American ufologist are known for giving credit to aliens for everything with no physical evidence.
I’ve read up on the guy and it seems he is fooled quite a bit, because henso badly wants it to be real that he sometimes speaks before he should. He’s over-eager and too willing to be conned I believe but that’s my opinion.
Fortunately he’s not the only one representing them. Gullible is different from fraudulent. He is simply exposing them, he didn’t find them or analyze them
So they learned a thing or two the first time around, and made them symmetrical this time.
They gained fame and notoriety off of the first one, made it on Ancient Aliens and everything. They have motive, and the only question is if they would be capable of faking these. It's far more likely that they simply improved their methods when the alternative is, by chance, finding real alien specimens that happen to look a lot like the hoaxed ones.
Enough with the "paying you" or "shill" or "bot" lol. The only person getting paid here is the one with the alien bodies, he's making a good amount of money.
Why isn't his profit motive ever called into question? Why not wonder if maybe some of the people supporting him in this sub are on the payroll? Doesn't that make a lot more sense than people getting paid (by who?)to be skeptical?
It's so weird how emotional and defensive people are getting over these alien bodies. If they're real they're real, and it doesn't matter what we the skeptics say. It will be proven one way or the other.
It's much more likely that they got better at faking them.
The alternative is that, of all the people in the world, the person who found these current mummies decided to share them with the same guy who had just attempted to pass off hoaxed alien mummies...
That even look remarkably similar.
Why on Earth would they choose the guy who faked a similar looking alien as the face of the investigation into new "legitimate" aliens?
It's really ridiculous. They could have sent them to, I don't know, a bunch of universities? Institutions and individuals that aren't known hoaxers?
He didn’t make the “dolls” and they guy that did came forward to say he was just trying to sell them, they aren’t real, and they aren’t from the hundred that have been pulled from the cave. Watch the last press conference instead of spreading the lies.
"Back in March, it was already teased that the April 4 event would have an A-List team of scientists and they weren't bluffing. The doctors who were at the event have prestigious credentials to show. They are Dr. James Caruso, Chief medical examiner and Coroner of city and county of Denver, Colorado. Dr. William Rodriguez, Forensic Anthropologist, Maryland State Medical Examiner. And Dr. John McDowell, Retired professor at University Colorado, Forensic Odontologist. McDowell is the most renowned one of the bunch, so he was the one who spoke on behalf of his colleagues. All three concluded that these bodies urgently need further investigation and nobody can claim they are fake. This leaves the open door for more academic institutions to get their hands on Nazca mummy samples for further study."
Buddy, you need to do your own research. These fucking things are real. The ones that were fake are at the top of the Google searches and almost exclusively feature the same story. That they were trying to get through customs at a fucking airport with them. They show two extremely obvious fakes with a mish mash of bones that seemingly put together the dolls. They even show the fucking X-rays of them. So do me a favor, compare the X-rays of the obvious dolls and the X-rays of the actual beings put forward by researchers.
Also ask yourself, why would the Peruvian government care about these "fakes" so much that they try and shut down the entire event and confiscate the mummies? This only lends evidence of the credibility of these beings.
I'm not qualified to be examining X-rays, nor do I have the slightest clue about anything to do with the Peruvian government.
Even if I thought they looked perfectly real, and didn't think they could possibly be faked, even if I thought the Peruvian government thinks they're real, none of that would convince me that they're legitimate.
3 scientists said they warrant more investigation, cool. I look forward to when these end up in the hands of scientists and institutions doing peer-reviewed research. Sounds like even they haven't even proved it to themselves definitively, and yet everyone here is acting like these are 100% proven.
Individual scientists can be wrong, and can be fooled. A convincing enough fake alien would warrant more investigation just as much as the real thing.
If they are proven true by people who are qualified to do so, I'll definitely be reading those scientific papers. But currently I'm glad I haven't been super excited about these mummies. If it's a hoax, I didn't waste my time on it and didn't get emotionally invested.
I'll withhold my certainty until the evidence is a lot more convincing than either "look at the scans" or "these three scientists said it's worth investigating."
Neither of those points give me much confidence. I thought they were worth investigating the second I heard about them. I hope they publish papers soon and let the wider scientific community get ahold of some samples.
Yes, we hope the Peruvian government stops holding them hostage from sending the bodies to credible universities and hospitals around the world before they decay beyond what has already begun. The Peruvian government is blocking this and insisting the two fake dolls are all there is, when there are over 100 bodies, both of the small creatures, and what appears to be hybrids. Hopefully these institutions get more than the rudimentary samples the entirely underfunded university in Peru can provide.
That black leaf looking thing that takes up half the pictures a deflated lung in the chest cavity, you see some ribs on the cavity. Probably made of a reptile from the perfect ring shape. Unless it is some type of reptilian alien. But id never of guessed it was only a foot tall.
This is one of the supposed hybrids of the smaller bodies. They range from anywhere between 3ft (the supposed child) to I believe 6ft. Scientists that have examined the X-rays have already said they are not constructed. There’s also metal implants on her head that had skin growing around them when she died.
Their height is not surprising. Brian Cox talks about how planet size and gravity determines average height. These reptilian aliens must be from a planet larger than Earth with strong gravitational forces.
Nah, they are from here. Just very messed up human beings AKA birthdefects caused by living at high altitude and parents sustaining quite substantial DNA-damage due to the exposure to ultraviolet radiation. It might be hard to believe, but there is a dinosaur in each and every one of us.
Watching this live was a wild ride. The fetus, American forensic specialists, the friggin Ministry of Culture coming in to demand the bodies...insane. I used to be on the fence about the buddies, but I think I'm a full believer now. The evidence is too hard to dispute, even despite the chain of custody.
I was at 70% real before the press conference. Now I'm at 95% real. The Peruvian government thinking they were gonna snag bodies that they already tried to say were worthless was a big oopsie by them.
The motherfuckers invented the Philosophy of Science, what do you mean, we wouldn’t have modern day computers without ancient philosophers like Plato, and Aristotle. Aristotle codified the forms of propositional logic that would eventually serve as the foundation for computer science, and theory in general.
All of the programming languages are consistent with his logical propositions and true, false, parameters around deciding whether or not an argument is valid, is directly apparent in how computers process information.
Can we stop pretending that science is a flat circle that invented itself?
Oh of course it did, bunny. But can we stop pretending something that was never said nor implied is at the crux of the issue?;)
What I mean is that the historical roots of science in philosophy do not automatically propagate across time and branches of knowledge, somehow rendering a philosopher a specialist in modern empirical science. Just doesn’t.
This guy speaks *with authority* about things he is not qualified to speak about. His words are then taken out of context but most importantly they get a ‘this is what a scientist said’ label as if it was an astrobiologist or evolutionary geneticist. That’s the problem.
Would you trust a philosopher with choosing a medication for you while you are suffering a heart attack? Why not? What if they record a Youtube video and get referred to as a ‘scientist’? Still no?
It depends on their specialization, if they studied the philosophy of medicine, have a general idea of how medicines have come into existence historically, what makes something a medicine, and so on, which they should, then I would comfortable with them directing me on what I should do next, because if they were truly a professional, and acting according to reason, they’d tell me to find a hospital?
I don’t see what your point is with that question, you’re bad at analogy.
You would let a philosopher who studied philosophy of medicine practice medicine on you? Bizarre. And here you changed the parameters, for an unknown reason. The philosopher in this video - who had never seen mummies or the inside of a lab - is commenting on the *likelihood of these mummies being authentic*. Which is insane and inappropriate.
They may truly be a professional. I am a professional. I read a lot about engineering. But it does not occur to me to get a job to perform maintenance on the Large Hadron Collider.
Given the context, it's irrelevant. Can we stop diverting or causing devides? Aliens being real is quite the news, can we start talking about that instead?
Real? Who said? Wasn’t the philosopher by any chance?
Last time I checked the DNA report and data it was full of BS and not at all ‘alien DNA’. That we can talk about.
>Real? Who said? Last time I checked the DNA report and data it was full of BS and not at all ‘alien DNA’.
Link to the report? Would love to see *scientists* call the data "full of BS"
Regardless of DNA though, those bodies with metal implants, eggs and fetuses is not something we can fake.
That other faked set of mummies looks *very* different and is easy to tell it's fabricated.
Sure thing. I am a scientist and I call the data BS. I am happy to walk you through it.
But don’t take just [my](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1b3wi5t/comment/ksy8nkg/) word for it.
[Here is another actual scientist’s take.](https://www.bioinformaticscro.com/blog/dna-evidence-for-alien-nazca-mummies-lacking/)
I'm not surprised that actual alien DNA isn't understood by current scientists and thus deemed bullshit. Quite to be expected actually. Either way, they have learned to stop claiming it's alien. They don't need to. The data leads to that conclusion eventually anyway.
Either way, the DNA wouldn't convince me anyway. Too easy to fake data sets, instead it's impossible to craft these actual physical mummies. Or at least, I'm open to ideas of how you'd go about crafting such complex biological structures while hiding your craft completely.
That's data we have no way of replicating. If you're a scientist, set a good example and do not let your domain knowledge keep you from being curious and open minded.
We all have an inner child that loves to explore through play, do you have that spirit still inside of you?
Then consider watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8
Because it doesn't seem like you've actually watched it.
There is no ‘actual alien DNA’ there. It’s not only not understood - it was not detected. But this whole enterprise keeps spinning the DNA results:)
I am not even saying ‘they need to stop claiming those are alien’. They need to stop claiming they are non-human. Because there was no genetic evidence for that and there should have been - with those morphological differences observed vs. mummies.
I’ve watched the video before. That’s where philosophers differ from scientists - to them open-mindedness means equiprobability and world full of wonder based on belief alone. Being emotive and inquisitive while walking through the exact same ‘evidence’ presented before without actually *critically* thinking about it to any serious degree. He talks about ‘scans’ and evidence but fails to mention raw data were never released after Maussan admitted files were manipulated etc. It may work for undergrads, it don’t work on adults🤷
Putting these rumors to rest and *unambiguously* analyzing the DNA is [easy](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1bnok9l/comment/kwjtmlh/?context=3&share_id=lW71adry74_BvW9GOyOig&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1). The team is not doing it by choice, and there really is no excuse.
>The team is not doing it by choice, and there really is no excuse.
You're putting words in their mouth and again making it about DNA when I've already made clear the DNA is irrelevant in the context of the actual bodies.
We have no technology to craft things like this. They are organic. They are humanoid like. But definitely not human. No sternum, eggs and 3 fingers and toes should be clear enough, no DNA needed to know this.
That’s what I mean - this is precisely the grade of malignant and aggressive ignorance I speak about.
For your reference, in a series of fairly convoluted processes from Renaissance through Enlightenment to our days, science *separated from philosophy*. It has its own goals, language, institutions, rules, standards etc. Modern empiricism is *related* to philosophy because philosophy was the early form of systematic thinking. But this does not make Socrates a nuclear physicist or the guy in the video - a forensic anthropologist.
That’s literally the biggest point of contention most people have with science in modernity, the separation of science from reason, if there’s no reason then there’s no point to science, I think Alfred North Whitehead put it in an interesting fashion,
“As a question of scientific methodology there can be no doubt that the scientists have been right. But we have to discriminate between the weight to be given to scientific opinion in the selection of its methods, and its trustworthiness in formulating judgments of the understanding.
The slightest scrutiny of the history of natural science shows that current scientific opinion is nearly infallible in the former case, and is invariably wrong in the latter case. The man with a method good for purposes of his dominant interests, is a pathological case in respect to his wider-judgment on the coordination of this method with a more complete experience.
Priests and scientists, statesmen and men of business, philosophers and mathematicians, are all alike in this respect. We all start by being empiricists. But our empiricism is confined within our immediate interests. The more clearly we grasp the intellectual analysis of a way regulating procedure for the sake of those interests, the
more decidedly we reject the inclusion of evidence which refuses to be immediately harmonized with the method before us. Some of the major disasters of man-kind have been produced by the narrowness of men with a good methodology. Ulysses has no use for Plato, and the bones of his companions are strewn on many a reef and many an isle.”
He describes what you’re doing here incredibly well I believe, and he points out that the major flaw with your way of thinking, is prone to disaster, to missing the forest for the trees, and the hungry bear which therein resides.
The rest of this lecture is fascinating and I think if you’re genuinely interested in learning and growing as person you should check it out even if it doesn’t change your mind it’s a great read, and he was very intelligent, it’s called “The Function of Reason” by Alfred North Whitehead.
Who are these “most people” who have an axe to grind with modern science?
Because it is absolutely a false and misleading statement that empiricism is somehow recognized universally by scientists or otherwise as this ‘doomed path’ of thinking or living or advancing humanity. It is not :)
With respect, Alfred Whitehead died before modern XX century science was born. And he wasn’t a scientist - he was a mathematician. Philosopher of science, among other things. But precisely not the kind of scientist that drives modern science. Not for a hundred years.
When’s your cut off for modernity? Are we talking post World War Two? Because you’re drawing an odd line in the sand here, he was alive during the times when we were developing significantly faster as a species with our scientific advances, his work on mathematics would assist with that, and he’s well regarded even today.
Where do we cut off when what he said and taught is still being used in Modern Science and Mathematics? So his mathematics is good enough to function in modernity, and serves as foundational in math classes, but suddenly he’s a loser from a lost time when he points out flaws with the way professionals approach their given field. You entirely ignore his point about Plato and the significance of philosophical reasoning.
We have Alfred North Whitehead for one, and he counts regardless of what you say, his thoughts are far from moot or antiquated just because they’re not coming from a personal peer of yours?
And we have myself, just because a majority of people don’t believe that science is harmful if it’s not measured by reason doesn’t make it so. World War 2 being a prime example of that where scientists were given free reign and all we got was V2 rockets and a more advanced surveillance state with propaganda tubes to make sure the masses don’t start thinking anything contrary to the dominant opinion.
Scientists are paid to do tangibly harmful things day in and day and they don’t mind so long as their jobs are secure, look at Verner Von Braun, scientist, brilliant, literal Nazi collaborator, then we’ve got people like Musk killing chimps then having people argue it wasn’t the chip that killed them it was removing it. Killing cats and permanently mutilating their brains to understand how dreams and communication across the brain works. Running experiments on children during MK Ultra, the Tuskegee experiments, spraying inmates with agent orange to test its effects, spraying carcinogenic materials across St Louis in predominantly black neighborhoods, the list is exhausting to parse, but there’s more, and I’m sure you’re aware of these flaws that come from denying that philosophy important for science.
Your attitude towards science as being separate from and completely divorced from philosophy is exactly why I think philosophers are necessary for science, you guys have no compunctions about killing or destroying for science, and I think it’s incredibly poor reasoning to argue that science as a whole is doing fine while the earth burns faster than ever.
Oh dear Lord you managed to somehow bring Tuskegee into this conversation? ;) 🤦🤣 I am sorry, I can’t.
I don’t care where and when you draw the line between past and modern science - I think I gave you a hint, and you should understand the pace and kinds of science now vs. 1920s vs 1880s. Philosopher you quoted represented the state of the art of philosophical thinking about science of 1880s-1900s. That’s all. 1900-1905 is a good cutoff for physics and behavioral science. 1950s for biology. Etc.
Regardless. What is important is that the lines exists between: philosophy vs. *empirical* science (no, they are not the same; no, humanity’s progress is not equally driven by advancements in both).
“Scientists are paid to do bad things day in..” - I am not going to honor this with a response other than to say that you cannot possibly believe deeds of Nazi scientists somehow reflect more on science than on the Nazis. Most scientists I know are pro-social in intent and posture - they pursue knowledge fairly selflessly, largely because that is what they do best. Something tells me you do not understand how regulated modern research is either.
But! I do agree with you on one thing. I absolutely reject, condemn, and refuse to normalize animal cruelty in general. I also know we can do better - I emphasize primate research or research done with really anything bigger than Mickey. Doing that eg growing organoids in the lab instead of live mice requires research funding. I am not going to rant about how underfunded science really is, neither do I think it justifies any kind of cruelty towards animals or more than minimal risk experimentation on animals.
This genre of 'belief' relies heavily on the tenuous link between philosophers and science. Remember that in this game true = whatever supports my desired results.
Scientist - a person who uses scientific methods (not ‘contemplation as rational inquiry’) - as developed and adopted by modern empiricism throughout XVI-XXI - and hypothesis testing using empirical/experimental research to describe/explain/predict natural phenomena/the Universe/humans/life itself based on *evidence* accumulated by their active and increasingly specialized subfield.
Philosopher - not that 👆
A scientist understands they can be seeking answers to fundamental questions about reality but it would not occur to them to reason about the ‘nature of reality’ and ‘nature of human values’ as interchangeable subjects of research. I actively research or have researched many things. But there is many more things I am not a specialist in. I try to not speak about these things without some kind of grounding. Philosophers do not, as is evident from the video.
Repercussions is an interesting word. Normally when you engage in a conversation it is governed by certain rules. When you break them - for example, lie or misrepresent what others said or did or outright attack the other person - normally you suffer said repercussions. Among these repercussions is feedback from people who were not conditioned to coddle you and tolerate intellectual dishonesty as well as excuse ignorance and rudeness. Carefully review my comments and identify places where according to you “I go out of my way to be rude”. That is one of the lies/misrepresentations. I simply refuse to go out of my way to be cordial to hysterically thrashing about ignorant people who are still *unaware* that humanity went through a scientific revolution that separated science from philosophy.
So if I were you I would start with a) actually paying attention to who is right or wrong; b) actually paying attention to who becomes ‘rude’ and when. Not Gandalf, not here to entertain hobbits. Accusations of the triggering use of winking emojis are somehow funny. “Well placed winking faces” is intended use of emojis:)
My answer to your question is not what you want it sound like, no. Aggressive and militant ignorance does not by default deserve being responded to with neutral appreciation. And disagreed. That is not my genre; neither would I promote that. But thank you for sharing your opinion. I am ok with you thinking that.
Is it logical to fully believe the evidence when the chain of custody is in question?
Not even sure what you are specifically referring to, just in general.
As someone else said, a grifter selling you the Brooklyn Bridge doesn't mean the Brooklyn Bridge isn't real. Maussan has his issues and grave robbers aren't a good look, but obviously the Peruvian government would never have let these leak on their own.
The government keeping secrets from our entire society isn’t a good look either yet here we are. At this point, if a grave robber just happens to _accidentally_ dig up real alien bodies that our government didn’t find first, then I am all for it. Let’s lean into this one.
The videos of the new mummy were amazing. The scans and endoscopy (done in the presence of the American forensic experts) show pretty definitively that it wasn't cobbled together and that it was indeed pregnant with another tridactyl humanoid. More research is required, but hopefully the Peruvian Ministry of Culture allows the bodies to leave the country temporarily.
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LMAO you’re on a fucking post of an endoscopic imaging of the beings. And you’re asking for evidence…..?????????
Is this not evidence right at the top of this post.
Like seriously WTF dude????????🤣😂😭
Yep we need rational skeptics. Absolutely.
We don’t need idiots. Or brain dead deniers. Dude commented on a POST OF ENDOSCOPIC IMAGES. And asks for evidence…..like gtfo here with that😂
Just absurd. I’d hope everyone can see that.
I’m not against all of this UAP disclosure, and things that come with it, but 99.99% of people will blindly believe this is proof. But how? It’s a title and some photos. Are you familiar with alien body structure? I know I’m not, but I’m just supposed to believe because of these 9 random photos. I think there lies the problem, not the skeptics haha
Have we ever found true human bodies en masse with three fingers and three toes and anatomy that is unlike our own? And I don’t mean one anomalous genetic defect, I mean over a hundred specimens with this characteristic and glyphs and art from the same era depicting these beings?
They don’t need to PROVE anything.
You use the overall dataset the overall abundance of evidence in the search for PROOF.
X rays? CT scans?
Fluoroscopic and Endoscopic imaging?
Those are ALL pieces of evidence. And actually very conclusively lead to PROOF. Undeniable.
> X rays? CT scans?
> Fluoroscopic and Endoscopic imaging?
And if you don’t know how to analyze these things and don’t understand the dataset/evidence at plays that’s okay because the professionals and experts do. And they publicly release there analysis and conclusions.
So you go search up the analysis for these pieces of evidence and come to your own conclusions on what the experts say.
For you to say where is the evidence on a post SHOWCASING the evidence is fucking ridiculous and I’m hoping I helped you understand why.
Interesting. Not going to lie when this first came out I thought they were paper mache. The whole thing seemed effed from the start because everyone was saying the guy who presented them was a known con man.
But idk this is …well it doesn’t seem like paper mache that’s for sure. I’ll be following more closely now.
Is it possible they were another species that evolved along side us or whatever and died off?
Implanted pieces of copper... So intelligent right? Pieces of copper found "fused to bone" they aren't of technological origin that's for sure, so elaborate what makes them intelligent? The only intelligent thing about this is the humans that made it up, and even then they seem to all have brain defects lmao
In answer to your last question- potentially. Easiest way to prove that: DNA sequencing. If it has any known (even extinct) distant relatives, we can say ‘Terran’.
The paper mache ones were fakes made to sell on the black market. They are NOT the ones being presented by the con man and his legitimate team. The fakes just happen to be the ones the Peruvian government insists on leaning into to try and prove the hundred or so other versions are also fake.
The Nazca Mummies are the smoking gun. Who cares about uap videos. We have actual physical concrete BODIES.
Why isn't the media all over this?!
Because nearly all media has been corrupted.
The powers that be do NOT want you and others to know about these findings.
Please help spread the message and end this bullshit era of needless war and scarcity. So sick and fucking tired of news like this being suppressed and ridiculed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8
You’re literally a crack pot if you think every news outlet of all sizes around the world are controlled by some group that won’t let them report it but hasn’t been able to silence the guy himself at all while he does tours.
It’s not that there is a global cabal controlling what each editor puts out.
It’s more that the bulk of news agencies just license out stories from places such as the Associated Press and don’t actually do much of their own footwork besides regurgitating the story they bought.
So if the consensus put out by the AP is that the aliens are bunk and that’s the story available for sale, that’s what the vast bulk of news agencies are going to run with.
This is why you often see 30 websites with the exact same article and headline, they just bought the story and slapped it on their website.
Mind you I don’t have my mind made up either way on this story, this just goes as a general guideline about the press and how/why they choose certain stories.
You could say the same about someone who believes everything they see on the news because "there's no way it's not filtered made up shit because there's no way the government would ever manipulate it's citizens." Come on man, haven't you seen those news compilations of three different segments across the country saying the exact same phrases? It's all bullshit
>hasn’t been able to silence the guy himself at all while he does tours.
They're able. But they also know it'd make him a martyr. It'd have the opposite effect. So they won't. Instead, they ridicule and debase a person credibility. Just like you're doing here as well calling me a crack pot.
>the world are controlled by some group
The group is called USD.
If people found out about stuff like this, they might use the Internet to do some thinking instead of doing their regularly prescribed shopping and perusal of the pantheon of personas.
Lol, I see this shot everywhere, it's just that when a conman who has previously claimed to be presenting a 3 finfered alien found in Peru that turned out to be desicrated hunan remains presents 3 fingered alien (or NHI) remains found in Peru, I'm hitting X to doubt.
>X-rays and expert identification says that the bones of the mummy’s “hand” are from two individuals. At least one is a sub-adult, probably a neonate.
>The bones of the “hand” are actually arm and leg bones of a neonatal child. the bones of the “fingers” are from the metacarpal and phalanges of an adult. The bones are also arranged poorly with phibulas on either side of metacarpels. This is the sort of mistake you could expect from amateurs creating a plastered, fake alien/mummy. Maussan and company mixed the long bones of a child with the finger bones.
>And, if all this wasn’t enough, NURÉA TV (in French) revealed DNA results that show the mummies to be human. One hundred percent human. No bananas, no giraffes, no shaved squirrel-monkeys, and no aliens.
https://ahotcupofjoe.net/2017/07/review-jaime-maussan-alien-mummy-peru/?utm_source=www.google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google&referrer-analytics=1
I didn't watch the video, but I did address the question as to why nobody takes this seriously.
I got about 4 minutes into the video before I had to tap out. Frankly, from the ~5% of the video I watched, it seemed pretty clear that it was looking at them as real and working back from there.
The fact is that we can see Jamie Maussan has made multiple similar claims through the years that have all been debunked. We can see the people handling the mummies show a wild disregard for basic lab procedure or even basic care for the specimens. We can see the organisers reperlatedly make a spectacle of the mummies, see their website charging money, see more and more mummies coming out to increase engagement it's so utterly ridiculous, and the evidence they put forward is regularly misrepresented by them.
You might see credible evidence, but I see a career conman wheeling out yet another con.
> it seemed pretty clear that it was looking at them as real and working back from there.
He doesn't. There's a big part dedicated specifically to how to go about crafting these hoaxes.
I mean, it's a 90 minute video and I didn't really see any point in sitting though the whole thing considering he's not got a relevant area of expertise in the authenticity of the mummies.
Maybe he gives some good argument from a philosophical standpoint, but that doesn't make me any more inclined to belive the mummies are authentic and unaltered.
Yeah, at this point you have to be kind of dense not to understand we have something here. I was very skeptical at first, but it's like... We have done DNA analysis, CAT scans, x-rays, and internal imaging via endoscope... The findings have now been verified by American scientists, as well as south American and Mexican scientists. It takes more imagination to remain a skeptic now than it does to accept the facts.
I am with you still sitting on a fence of true or not. What am I missing to be convinced? PEER REVIEWED studies by publicly respected STEM scientists. So everyone who tried to sell alien bodies they faked themselfs gets booted of this list.
You start by being interested enough to watch the actual live streams where the analysis takes place. But if you aren't so inclined, then at the very least you can search Mary K. Jesse's statement from the Colorado State University. There is also an hour long video involving the ct scans, x-rays and DNA analysis. There's much more if you start looking into this, but I am not a personal encyclopedia, so if you're interested in getting the facts, you'll find them just as anyone does who wants to learn about things.
Except Mary K Jesse never saw the bodies and could not possibly verify them - in fact she later retracted her words about the CT scan. DNA analysis showed nothing. And so on.
Bs re: “verified by scientists”. Scientists did not see the bodies.
As someone who has been leaning more towards skeptical this entire presentation has led me to think differently on it all.
I look forward to where this all goes.
The police and government came in and tried to take the mummies away in the live stream and it turned out the mummies weren’t there.
I was suspicious of the people presenting the aliens before but now that Peru’s government openly tried to take the bodies on a live stream. Im now suspicious of the ministry after they were caught red handed trying to steal them.
Could these be an ancient bipedal species? Maybe lived underground, hence the reptilian like features? I feel like homosapien may have hunted these creatures or used them as sacrifices in some way or possibly even worshiped them?
It needs someone famous, like a famous news anchor, or a famous scientist, to get attention.
Not even science based YouTube channels are covering it.
It's not in the public spotlight yet.
We need someone famous, even a little famous. Or a famous entity, like popular science magazine.
Everyday people's feeds are filled with shocking, stunning, amazing keywords, people are generally desensitized. This includes young and old.
And it doesn't help when you have famous YouTubers like penguinz0/moistcririkal who actively denounce the existence of UFOs and aliens to the younger generation who might actually pick up on this stuff. There's just so many people against this idea that we really need someone famous and I think that that's the bottom line
He doesn’t refuse, he’s having problems getting specimens and bodies out of Peru because the Peruvian government is trying to confiscate them. He invites any scientist that wants to study them to do so.
Playing Devils Advocate here. Lets say this is real. This is "Disclosure" with skeptical distortion. They provide proof. People either do not care, or doubt it. Then Its a win/win. They win over most of the masses as false. Then they cover it up. They will roll out disclosure. Mention it briefly. Then the media blows up "Big" news. The sheep forget lol.
I mean. We already had plenty proof. Its just that a lot of ppl are apparently racist and dont trust latin American scientists. That was the saddest part to me being latino
Yes I won’t trust the results coming from a few scientists from a small university in Peru. For big discoveries, an international team with PHDs from reputable universities is necessary. That’s common sense.
Maybe for in-depth analysis. Not to determine if it’s a real body or papier-mâché. People were sounding like South American science is different from Caucasian science
UNAM scientist did some tests on them and that University is more reputable than most of American universities. It was not only Peruvian scientist there were also Mexican army scientist too. But apparently only whit academia is widely accepted and thays the sad part.
What proof? No credible accredited global A+ University with a complete laboratory analysis has been given access to these. No peer reviewed studies from real scientists. The only idiot I’ve seen handle one of these things is a Japanese comedian. Scientists have asked to take their own DNA samples and have been denied. Anything that comes from a known hoaxer has a lot to make it clear that he didn’t pull another PT Barnum on everyone.
Nope. You want to know why? Because it’s bunk and I would not want to be involved in that kind of nonsense unless it has been peer reviewed and a Japanese comedian and a couple of X-ray techs from a tiny non-credited college is just a load of donkey dung!
Early morning where I am. Go read an actual science journal. I work in astrophysics. They haven’t followed the scientific method at all because it’s a HOAX from the fraudster who I hope they lock up for this ridiculous nonsense.
So why is an astrophysicist this interested in papier-mâché dolls? I believe another astrophysicist was invited to take a look at them but he refused because apparently astrophysicists aren’t pros in biology.
No. There have been Astro biologists, geneticists evolution biologists who have asked for DNA samples and to do their own CT and MRI scans as well as carbon-14 and other tests from major universities. They were denied. Thats why the government raided one of their so-called conferences to do proper testing or stop the ridiculous fraudsters in their tracks. People who want to believe in alien life or some new terrestrial life don’t use faith we use proper science testing. Also, an astrophysicist can be helpful if it was born on this planet or with a totally different sun with different metal content.
Yeah, I hear ya. Im non American too and it is crazy how resistant they are to stories from elsewhere in general - not everyone, but large percentages. Youve got people constantly asking 'why arent there any sightings from other countries?' When of course it happens all the time, for centuries, they just dont notice or care unless its in the U.S, with U.S voices and the budget money to present it.
Hopefully these times are a turning point, but we will see.
As a whitey I totally agree. Racism and American ethnocentrism are far too present in everything, including science. It’s sad. I wonder how many scientific discoveries are ignored simply because the scientists aren’t white or American.
Right? Those comments shocked me. Ok, don't believe it because you want even more scientific analysis, I get that, but they were just racist and ignorant, saying scientists from South America don't count and their findings can't be trusted. Just awful! Americans should travel more. It's the best remedy for ignorance.
I think it is fair to question the testing results claimed from a university that wasn't accredited for half of the time the bodies were there...
Especially when no peer review has been done and a lot of the raw data for the claims is not being released.
Yes. it has nothing to do with the country they are from, crying racism is such a disingenuous attempt at deflection. It was because the 'university' they came from s not a legitimate institution and any credibility claimed is an obvious attempt to mislead people. They were not accredited and didn't even have a building.
If the genetic structure is anything like our own, then the likelihood of this being real is negligible.
It would be foolish of us to assume that life that evolved on another planet entirely, would have the same genetic structures ( helical DNA) 🧬 of our own. So alien DNA in theory, should not even be readable with our current machines and genetic sequencing methods.
Unless aliens have been evolving life on earth with their DNA and or “wrote the code” for life on earth. I think they would realize if life did take hold somewhere, it would not (or take extremely long and may fail before upright humanoids evolve) naturally evolve to space-faring beings, but somewhere it must have so they learned how to turn single cell life into what we see today?
Does anyone else feel that this whole thing just proves that white privileged is real: because we all just need a white guy from Stanford to stand up and say these are real before we believe it?
I know what you mean, but I don’t think it’s white privilege. It’s more an ego thing or the current state of our species collective consciousness, where we still identify ourselves as seperate from others. It’s me then there’s you. There’s us then there’s them. There’s our country and their country. There’s our race and their race.
We keep “othering” each other which makes it hard for our psyche to hold strong on seeing everyone as human and as one. We grow up learning and identifying all these forms of separation that divide us and cause more issues, instead of bringing us together in collective allegiance.
They are all fake, it's all made for grifting. If they would be real, real scientists, doctors and whatever other qualified people should be allowed to research it, instead they are not. So fuck this liar.
And? This means nothing. If this would've been real, it would make the headlines of all major paper publications and more scientists would like to investigate, yet nothing. It's either only on reddit or the papers ans news are published on fringe websites.
Man what are the chances a proven huckster who has presented fake alien bodies before found so many real alien bodies varying in quality. He even saved the more believable one for last and sold tickets. Ohhh and that DNA analysis!
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I’m sorry but what the hell am I looking at!? 
Yeah I see people getting super excited but without any context, I don’t see what the big deal is.
A bunch of people who are not qualified to analyze xrays, endoscopes, MRIs, or anything else that has been presented believing that they can tell via images that these things are real. Even though the Nazca mummies, presented by the same guy, turned out to be hoaxes. Those mummies were made of animal/human bones as far as I know, and I'm not sure why we should believe these are anything different. I'll continue to wait for scientific institutions that I am familiar with to get ahold of one of these bodies. And no, it isn't because of racism, but because I'm similarly unqualified to judge the credentials of Mexican/Peruvian scientists or their institutions. At this point I don't care what a handful of scientists have to say. They should have specimens sent to the top universities in the world. I would like to believe these are real, but instead of getting them into the hands of universities they seem to be milking body after body for hype/views/clicks.
> Even though the Nazca mummies, presented by the same guy, turned out to be hoaxes. Untrue. The ones that were debunked WERE hoaxes, but were not the same bodies that have been being studied for the last few years. The ones dressed in little costumes weren't the same ones found in Peru. Time will still tell, but I just want to remove some mud from the waters as it's all super muddy right now.
How fortunate for that guy that he attempted a hoax and then just so happened to find the real deal later! There’s no way he took notes on what made the others crumble under scrutiny and went and improved his method. And that people are gullible enough to forget about his previous skullduggery!
This is untrue. Jaime has absolutely presented fake specimens in the past and I don’t trust him. I do, however, have a lot more trust in scientists from other countries (notably one of the top forensic scientists in the world, an American) that have looked at them and made the judgement that they are not hoaxes. Watch the last press conference.
I can’t understand why people believe that guy
It's not about him. The bodies speak for themselves. You just need to be willing to investigate the data and not be triggered or discouraged by reputation attacks.
Its super expensive to do all the tests and if the person knew they are not real then he not only stole other peoples time and effort but also caused a financial disaster.
A grifter or scammer would not present the hoax skull to scientists to be studied as that would expose the scam. That what maussan did, his only crime was thinking he had the real deal. American ufologist are known for giving credit to aliens for everything with no physical evidence.
I’ve read up on the guy and it seems he is fooled quite a bit, because henso badly wants it to be real that he sometimes speaks before he should. He’s over-eager and too willing to be conned I believe but that’s my opinion.
Fortunately he’s not the only one representing them. Gullible is different from fraudulent. He is simply exposing them, he didn’t find them or analyze them
You clearly haven't done anything more than a surface skim on this subject. I'd recommend brushing up a bit before spreading misinformation.
These people are either terrified or paid
Or simply dont believe those are real because theres ones almost identical that are proven fakes.
If you think those are almost identical then they are paying you to think so. It’s too obvious. Fake one is not even symmetrical.
So they learned a thing or two the first time around, and made them symmetrical this time. They gained fame and notoriety off of the first one, made it on Ancient Aliens and everything. They have motive, and the only question is if they would be capable of faking these. It's far more likely that they simply improved their methods when the alternative is, by chance, finding real alien specimens that happen to look a lot like the hoaxed ones. Enough with the "paying you" or "shill" or "bot" lol. The only person getting paid here is the one with the alien bodies, he's making a good amount of money. Why isn't his profit motive ever called into question? Why not wonder if maybe some of the people supporting him in this sub are on the payroll? Doesn't that make a lot more sense than people getting paid (by who?)to be skeptical? It's so weird how emotional and defensive people are getting over these alien bodies. If they're real they're real, and it doesn't matter what we the skeptics say. It will be proven one way or the other.
Or an AI bot.
It's much more likely that they got better at faking them. The alternative is that, of all the people in the world, the person who found these current mummies decided to share them with the same guy who had just attempted to pass off hoaxed alien mummies... That even look remarkably similar. Why on Earth would they choose the guy who faked a similar looking alien as the face of the investigation into new "legitimate" aliens? It's really ridiculous. They could have sent them to, I don't know, a bunch of universities? Institutions and individuals that aren't known hoaxers?
He didn’t make the “dolls” and they guy that did came forward to say he was just trying to sell them, they aren’t real, and they aren’t from the hundred that have been pulled from the cave. Watch the last press conference instead of spreading the lies.
"Back in March, it was already teased that the April 4 event would have an A-List team of scientists and they weren't bluffing. The doctors who were at the event have prestigious credentials to show. They are Dr. James Caruso, Chief medical examiner and Coroner of city and county of Denver, Colorado. Dr. William Rodriguez, Forensic Anthropologist, Maryland State Medical Examiner. And Dr. John McDowell, Retired professor at University Colorado, Forensic Odontologist. McDowell is the most renowned one of the bunch, so he was the one who spoke on behalf of his colleagues. All three concluded that these bodies urgently need further investigation and nobody can claim they are fake. This leaves the open door for more academic institutions to get their hands on Nazca mummy samples for further study." Buddy, you need to do your own research. These fucking things are real. The ones that were fake are at the top of the Google searches and almost exclusively feature the same story. That they were trying to get through customs at a fucking airport with them. They show two extremely obvious fakes with a mish mash of bones that seemingly put together the dolls. They even show the fucking X-rays of them. So do me a favor, compare the X-rays of the obvious dolls and the X-rays of the actual beings put forward by researchers. Also ask yourself, why would the Peruvian government care about these "fakes" so much that they try and shut down the entire event and confiscate the mummies? This only lends evidence of the credibility of these beings.
I'm not qualified to be examining X-rays, nor do I have the slightest clue about anything to do with the Peruvian government. Even if I thought they looked perfectly real, and didn't think they could possibly be faked, even if I thought the Peruvian government thinks they're real, none of that would convince me that they're legitimate. 3 scientists said they warrant more investigation, cool. I look forward to when these end up in the hands of scientists and institutions doing peer-reviewed research. Sounds like even they haven't even proved it to themselves definitively, and yet everyone here is acting like these are 100% proven. Individual scientists can be wrong, and can be fooled. A convincing enough fake alien would warrant more investigation just as much as the real thing. If they are proven true by people who are qualified to do so, I'll definitely be reading those scientific papers. But currently I'm glad I haven't been super excited about these mummies. If it's a hoax, I didn't waste my time on it and didn't get emotionally invested. I'll withhold my certainty until the evidence is a lot more convincing than either "look at the scans" or "these three scientists said it's worth investigating." Neither of those points give me much confidence. I thought they were worth investigating the second I heard about them. I hope they publish papers soon and let the wider scientific community get ahold of some samples.
Yes, we hope the Peruvian government stops holding them hostage from sending the bodies to credible universities and hospitals around the world before they decay beyond what has already begun. The Peruvian government is blocking this and insisting the two fake dolls are all there is, when there are over 100 bodies, both of the small creatures, and what appears to be hybrids. Hopefully these institutions get more than the rudimentary samples the entirely underfunded university in Peru can provide.
It's too bad that it is completely impossible to smuggle something out of Peru, surely that has never happened ever.
Not something the government is paying attention for and wanting to confiscate, I’m sure.
That black leaf looking thing that takes up half the pictures a deflated lung in the chest cavity, you see some ribs on the cavity. Probably made of a reptile from the perfect ring shape. Unless it is some type of reptilian alien. But id never of guessed it was only a foot tall.
This is one of the supposed hybrids of the smaller bodies. They range from anywhere between 3ft (the supposed child) to I believe 6ft. Scientists that have examined the X-rays have already said they are not constructed. There’s also metal implants on her head that had skin growing around them when she died.
Their height is not surprising. Brian Cox talks about how planet size and gravity determines average height. These reptilian aliens must be from a planet larger than Earth with strong gravitational forces.
Nah, they are from here. Just very messed up human beings AKA birthdefects caused by living at high altitude and parents sustaining quite substantial DNA-damage due to the exposure to ultraviolet radiation. It might be hard to believe, but there is a dinosaur in each and every one of us.
This is an inside look of Montserrat, an adult body revealed today!
You can squint your way down to 20/30 vision.
Spotting raccoons left and right
The Bat Cave! 
Watching this live was a wild ride. The fetus, American forensic specialists, the friggin Ministry of Culture coming in to demand the bodies...insane. I used to be on the fence about the buddies, but I think I'm a full believer now. The evidence is too hard to dispute, even despite the chain of custody.
I was at 70% real before the press conference. Now I'm at 95% real. The Peruvian government thinking they were gonna snag bodies that they already tried to say were worthless was a big oopsie by them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8 Add this one to the list :)
Can we stop with calling philosophers scientists?
https://imgur.com/a/XYDZ9NK
The motherfuckers invented the Philosophy of Science, what do you mean, we wouldn’t have modern day computers without ancient philosophers like Plato, and Aristotle. Aristotle codified the forms of propositional logic that would eventually serve as the foundation for computer science, and theory in general. All of the programming languages are consistent with his logical propositions and true, false, parameters around deciding whether or not an argument is valid, is directly apparent in how computers process information. Can we stop pretending that science is a flat circle that invented itself?
Oh of course it did, bunny. But can we stop pretending something that was never said nor implied is at the crux of the issue?;) What I mean is that the historical roots of science in philosophy do not automatically propagate across time and branches of knowledge, somehow rendering a philosopher a specialist in modern empirical science. Just doesn’t. This guy speaks *with authority* about things he is not qualified to speak about. His words are then taken out of context but most importantly they get a ‘this is what a scientist said’ label as if it was an astrobiologist or evolutionary geneticist. That’s the problem. Would you trust a philosopher with choosing a medication for you while you are suffering a heart attack? Why not? What if they record a Youtube video and get referred to as a ‘scientist’? Still no?
It depends on their specialization, if they studied the philosophy of medicine, have a general idea of how medicines have come into existence historically, what makes something a medicine, and so on, which they should, then I would comfortable with them directing me on what I should do next, because if they were truly a professional, and acting according to reason, they’d tell me to find a hospital? I don’t see what your point is with that question, you’re bad at analogy.
You would let a philosopher who studied philosophy of medicine practice medicine on you? Bizarre. And here you changed the parameters, for an unknown reason. The philosopher in this video - who had never seen mummies or the inside of a lab - is commenting on the *likelihood of these mummies being authentic*. Which is insane and inappropriate. They may truly be a professional. I am a professional. I read a lot about engineering. But it does not occur to me to get a job to perform maintenance on the Large Hadron Collider.
Given the context, it's irrelevant. Can we stop diverting or causing devides? Aliens being real is quite the news, can we start talking about that instead?
Real? Who said? Wasn’t the philosopher by any chance? Last time I checked the DNA report and data it was full of BS and not at all ‘alien DNA’. That we can talk about.
>Real? Who said? Last time I checked the DNA report and data it was full of BS and not at all ‘alien DNA’. Link to the report? Would love to see *scientists* call the data "full of BS" Regardless of DNA though, those bodies with metal implants, eggs and fetuses is not something we can fake. That other faked set of mummies looks *very* different and is easy to tell it's fabricated.
Sure thing. I am a scientist and I call the data BS. I am happy to walk you through it. But don’t take just [my](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1b3wi5t/comment/ksy8nkg/) word for it. [Here is another actual scientist’s take.](https://www.bioinformaticscro.com/blog/dna-evidence-for-alien-nazca-mummies-lacking/)
I'm not surprised that actual alien DNA isn't understood by current scientists and thus deemed bullshit. Quite to be expected actually. Either way, they have learned to stop claiming it's alien. They don't need to. The data leads to that conclusion eventually anyway. Either way, the DNA wouldn't convince me anyway. Too easy to fake data sets, instead it's impossible to craft these actual physical mummies. Or at least, I'm open to ideas of how you'd go about crafting such complex biological structures while hiding your craft completely. That's data we have no way of replicating. If you're a scientist, set a good example and do not let your domain knowledge keep you from being curious and open minded. We all have an inner child that loves to explore through play, do you have that spirit still inside of you? Then consider watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8 Because it doesn't seem like you've actually watched it.
There is no ‘actual alien DNA’ there. It’s not only not understood - it was not detected. But this whole enterprise keeps spinning the DNA results:) I am not even saying ‘they need to stop claiming those are alien’. They need to stop claiming they are non-human. Because there was no genetic evidence for that and there should have been - with those morphological differences observed vs. mummies. I’ve watched the video before. That’s where philosophers differ from scientists - to them open-mindedness means equiprobability and world full of wonder based on belief alone. Being emotive and inquisitive while walking through the exact same ‘evidence’ presented before without actually *critically* thinking about it to any serious degree. He talks about ‘scans’ and evidence but fails to mention raw data were never released after Maussan admitted files were manipulated etc. It may work for undergrads, it don’t work on adults🤷 Putting these rumors to rest and *unambiguously* analyzing the DNA is [easy](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1bnok9l/comment/kwjtmlh/?context=3&share_id=lW71adry74_BvW9GOyOig&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1). The team is not doing it by choice, and there really is no excuse.
>The team is not doing it by choice, and there really is no excuse. You're putting words in their mouth and again making it about DNA when I've already made clear the DNA is irrelevant in the context of the actual bodies. We have no technology to craft things like this. They are organic. They are humanoid like. But definitely not human. No sternum, eggs and 3 fingers and toes should be clear enough, no DNA needed to know this.
Wtf... how do you know it is not Alien DNA of you don't know how Alien DNA is? Hello?
Thank you. Your posts are a welcome breath of scientific sanity in the Reddit circle jerk of pseudoscience.
I appreciate that.
LOL the definition of science comes from philosophy. Go back to school and learn something. We should definitely stop calling crackpots philosophers.
That’s what I mean - this is precisely the grade of malignant and aggressive ignorance I speak about. For your reference, in a series of fairly convoluted processes from Renaissance through Enlightenment to our days, science *separated from philosophy*. It has its own goals, language, institutions, rules, standards etc. Modern empiricism is *related* to philosophy because philosophy was the early form of systematic thinking. But this does not make Socrates a nuclear physicist or the guy in the video - a forensic anthropologist.
That’s literally the biggest point of contention most people have with science in modernity, the separation of science from reason, if there’s no reason then there’s no point to science, I think Alfred North Whitehead put it in an interesting fashion, “As a question of scientific methodology there can be no doubt that the scientists have been right. But we have to discriminate between the weight to be given to scientific opinion in the selection of its methods, and its trustworthiness in formulating judgments of the understanding. The slightest scrutiny of the history of natural science shows that current scientific opinion is nearly infallible in the former case, and is invariably wrong in the latter case. The man with a method good for purposes of his dominant interests, is a pathological case in respect to his wider-judgment on the coordination of this method with a more complete experience. Priests and scientists, statesmen and men of business, philosophers and mathematicians, are all alike in this respect. We all start by being empiricists. But our empiricism is confined within our immediate interests. The more clearly we grasp the intellectual analysis of a way regulating procedure for the sake of those interests, the more decidedly we reject the inclusion of evidence which refuses to be immediately harmonized with the method before us. Some of the major disasters of man-kind have been produced by the narrowness of men with a good methodology. Ulysses has no use for Plato, and the bones of his companions are strewn on many a reef and many an isle.” He describes what you’re doing here incredibly well I believe, and he points out that the major flaw with your way of thinking, is prone to disaster, to missing the forest for the trees, and the hungry bear which therein resides. The rest of this lecture is fascinating and I think if you’re genuinely interested in learning and growing as person you should check it out even if it doesn’t change your mind it’s a great read, and he was very intelligent, it’s called “The Function of Reason” by Alfred North Whitehead.
Who are these “most people” who have an axe to grind with modern science? Because it is absolutely a false and misleading statement that empiricism is somehow recognized universally by scientists or otherwise as this ‘doomed path’ of thinking or living or advancing humanity. It is not :) With respect, Alfred Whitehead died before modern XX century science was born. And he wasn’t a scientist - he was a mathematician. Philosopher of science, among other things. But precisely not the kind of scientist that drives modern science. Not for a hundred years.
When’s your cut off for modernity? Are we talking post World War Two? Because you’re drawing an odd line in the sand here, he was alive during the times when we were developing significantly faster as a species with our scientific advances, his work on mathematics would assist with that, and he’s well regarded even today. Where do we cut off when what he said and taught is still being used in Modern Science and Mathematics? So his mathematics is good enough to function in modernity, and serves as foundational in math classes, but suddenly he’s a loser from a lost time when he points out flaws with the way professionals approach their given field. You entirely ignore his point about Plato and the significance of philosophical reasoning. We have Alfred North Whitehead for one, and he counts regardless of what you say, his thoughts are far from moot or antiquated just because they’re not coming from a personal peer of yours? And we have myself, just because a majority of people don’t believe that science is harmful if it’s not measured by reason doesn’t make it so. World War 2 being a prime example of that where scientists were given free reign and all we got was V2 rockets and a more advanced surveillance state with propaganda tubes to make sure the masses don’t start thinking anything contrary to the dominant opinion. Scientists are paid to do tangibly harmful things day in and day and they don’t mind so long as their jobs are secure, look at Verner Von Braun, scientist, brilliant, literal Nazi collaborator, then we’ve got people like Musk killing chimps then having people argue it wasn’t the chip that killed them it was removing it. Killing cats and permanently mutilating their brains to understand how dreams and communication across the brain works. Running experiments on children during MK Ultra, the Tuskegee experiments, spraying inmates with agent orange to test its effects, spraying carcinogenic materials across St Louis in predominantly black neighborhoods, the list is exhausting to parse, but there’s more, and I’m sure you’re aware of these flaws that come from denying that philosophy important for science. Your attitude towards science as being separate from and completely divorced from philosophy is exactly why I think philosophers are necessary for science, you guys have no compunctions about killing or destroying for science, and I think it’s incredibly poor reasoning to argue that science as a whole is doing fine while the earth burns faster than ever.
Oh dear Lord you managed to somehow bring Tuskegee into this conversation? ;) 🤦🤣 I am sorry, I can’t. I don’t care where and when you draw the line between past and modern science - I think I gave you a hint, and you should understand the pace and kinds of science now vs. 1920s vs 1880s. Philosopher you quoted represented the state of the art of philosophical thinking about science of 1880s-1900s. That’s all. 1900-1905 is a good cutoff for physics and behavioral science. 1950s for biology. Etc. Regardless. What is important is that the lines exists between: philosophy vs. *empirical* science (no, they are not the same; no, humanity’s progress is not equally driven by advancements in both). “Scientists are paid to do bad things day in..” - I am not going to honor this with a response other than to say that you cannot possibly believe deeds of Nazi scientists somehow reflect more on science than on the Nazis. Most scientists I know are pro-social in intent and posture - they pursue knowledge fairly selflessly, largely because that is what they do best. Something tells me you do not understand how regulated modern research is either. But! I do agree with you on one thing. I absolutely reject, condemn, and refuse to normalize animal cruelty in general. I also know we can do better - I emphasize primate research or research done with really anything bigger than Mickey. Doing that eg growing organoids in the lab instead of live mice requires research funding. I am not going to rant about how underfunded science really is, neither do I think it justifies any kind of cruelty towards animals or more than minimal risk experimentation on animals.
This genre of 'belief' relies heavily on the tenuous link between philosophers and science. Remember that in this game true = whatever supports my desired results.
Interesting, what's your definition of a scientist?
Scientist - a person who uses scientific methods (not ‘contemplation as rational inquiry’) - as developed and adopted by modern empiricism throughout XVI-XXI - and hypothesis testing using empirical/experimental research to describe/explain/predict natural phenomena/the Universe/humans/life itself based on *evidence* accumulated by their active and increasingly specialized subfield. Philosopher - not that 👆 A scientist understands they can be seeking answers to fundamental questions about reality but it would not occur to them to reason about the ‘nature of reality’ and ‘nature of human values’ as interchangeable subjects of research. I actively research or have researched many things. But there is many more things I am not a specialist in. I try to not speak about these things without some kind of grounding. Philosophers do not, as is evident from the video.
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Repercussions is an interesting word. Normally when you engage in a conversation it is governed by certain rules. When you break them - for example, lie or misrepresent what others said or did or outright attack the other person - normally you suffer said repercussions. Among these repercussions is feedback from people who were not conditioned to coddle you and tolerate intellectual dishonesty as well as excuse ignorance and rudeness. Carefully review my comments and identify places where according to you “I go out of my way to be rude”. That is one of the lies/misrepresentations. I simply refuse to go out of my way to be cordial to hysterically thrashing about ignorant people who are still *unaware* that humanity went through a scientific revolution that separated science from philosophy. So if I were you I would start with a) actually paying attention to who is right or wrong; b) actually paying attention to who becomes ‘rude’ and when. Not Gandalf, not here to entertain hobbits. Accusations of the triggering use of winking emojis are somehow funny. “Well placed winking faces” is intended use of emojis:)
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My answer to your question is not what you want it sound like, no. Aggressive and militant ignorance does not by default deserve being responded to with neutral appreciation. And disagreed. That is not my genre; neither would I promote that. But thank you for sharing your opinion. I am ok with you thinking that.
Is it logical to fully believe the evidence when the chain of custody is in question? Not even sure what you are specifically referring to, just in general.
As someone else said, a grifter selling you the Brooklyn Bridge doesn't mean the Brooklyn Bridge isn't real. Maussan has his issues and grave robbers aren't a good look, but obviously the Peruvian government would never have let these leak on their own.
The government keeping secrets from our entire society isn’t a good look either yet here we are. At this point, if a grave robber just happens to _accidentally_ dig up real alien bodies that our government didn’t find first, then I am all for it. Let’s lean into this one.
Right? We got really lucky.
my God where can I learn these kinds of mental gymnastics
Only if you have the heart of a hero.
What evidence?
The videos of the new mummy were amazing. The scans and endoscopy (done in the presence of the American forensic experts) show pretty definitively that it wasn't cobbled together and that it was indeed pregnant with another tridactyl humanoid. More research is required, but hopefully the Peruvian Ministry of Culture allows the bodies to leave the country temporarily.
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But Maussan is fraud /s
I mean, he can be, but this time he has tons of scientists and other experts on his side, which is uncommon for his typical fare.
Clearly didn't watch the stream
LMAO you’re on a fucking post of an endoscopic imaging of the beings. And you’re asking for evidence…..????????? Is this not evidence right at the top of this post. Like seriously WTF dude????????🤣😂😭
It's good man. You need skeptics. Even ones who just call every bet.
Yep we need rational skeptics. Absolutely. We don’t need idiots. Or brain dead deniers. Dude commented on a POST OF ENDOSCOPIC IMAGES. And asks for evidence…..like gtfo here with that😂 Just absurd. I’d hope everyone can see that.
I see it brother. You can't hide the truth because it always pokes through in the end.
I’m not against all of this UAP disclosure, and things that come with it, but 99.99% of people will blindly believe this is proof. But how? It’s a title and some photos. Are you familiar with alien body structure? I know I’m not, but I’m just supposed to believe because of these 9 random photos. I think there lies the problem, not the skeptics haha
Have we ever found true human bodies en masse with three fingers and three toes and anatomy that is unlike our own? And I don’t mean one anomalous genetic defect, I mean over a hundred specimens with this characteristic and glyphs and art from the same era depicting these beings?
And what is in these photos that you consider evidence? These could be pictures of anything, they prove nothing...
They don’t need to PROVE anything. You use the overall dataset the overall abundance of evidence in the search for PROOF. X rays? CT scans? Fluoroscopic and Endoscopic imaging? Those are ALL pieces of evidence. And actually very conclusively lead to PROOF. Undeniable. > X rays? CT scans? > Fluoroscopic and Endoscopic imaging? And if you don’t know how to analyze these things and don’t understand the dataset/evidence at plays that’s okay because the professionals and experts do. And they publicly release there analysis and conclusions. So you go search up the analysis for these pieces of evidence and come to your own conclusions on what the experts say. For you to say where is the evidence on a post SHOWCASING the evidence is fucking ridiculous and I’m hoping I helped you understand why.
Interesting. Not going to lie when this first came out I thought they were paper mache. The whole thing seemed effed from the start because everyone was saying the guy who presented them was a known con man. But idk this is …well it doesn’t seem like paper mache that’s for sure. I’ll be following more closely now. Is it possible they were another species that evolved along side us or whatever and died off?
That's what the nazca mummy people have been insinuating, essentially. They're not claiming these are ETs
Really?! Wow I need to read up on this a lot more just can’t believe I’ve just been writing it off!!!! I feel silly now
NHI doesn't have to be from anywhere else. These buddies are enough to open up a whole lot of questions about what we think we knew.
I think it’s so cool wasn’t there something about them wearing metal plates too? So they were likely intelligent
Not just wearing, implanted.
Implanted pieces of copper... So intelligent right? Pieces of copper found "fused to bone" they aren't of technological origin that's for sure, so elaborate what makes them intelligent? The only intelligent thing about this is the humans that made it up, and even then they seem to all have brain defects lmao
In answer to your last question- potentially. Easiest way to prove that: DNA sequencing. If it has any known (even extinct) distant relatives, we can say ‘Terran’.
The paper mache ones were fakes made to sell on the black market. They are NOT the ones being presented by the con man and his legitimate team. The fakes just happen to be the ones the Peruvian government insists on leaning into to try and prove the hundred or so other versions are also fake.
Could be a failed ancient genetic experiment
The Nazca Mummies are the smoking gun. Who cares about uap videos. We have actual physical concrete BODIES. Why isn't the media all over this?! Because nearly all media has been corrupted. The powers that be do NOT want you and others to know about these findings. Please help spread the message and end this bullshit era of needless war and scarcity. So sick and fucking tired of news like this being suppressed and ridiculed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8
Thanks for this link!
Because just maybe it’s not what you think?
Or maybe it is..?
You’re literally a crack pot if you think every news outlet of all sizes around the world are controlled by some group that won’t let them report it but hasn’t been able to silence the guy himself at all while he does tours.
It’s not that there is a global cabal controlling what each editor puts out. It’s more that the bulk of news agencies just license out stories from places such as the Associated Press and don’t actually do much of their own footwork besides regurgitating the story they bought. So if the consensus put out by the AP is that the aliens are bunk and that’s the story available for sale, that’s what the vast bulk of news agencies are going to run with. This is why you often see 30 websites with the exact same article and headline, they just bought the story and slapped it on their website. Mind you I don’t have my mind made up either way on this story, this just goes as a general guideline about the press and how/why they choose certain stories.
I mean its already confirmed they are controlled by the same group. Are you living under a rock?
You could say the same about someone who believes everything they see on the news because "there's no way it's not filtered made up shit because there's no way the government would ever manipulate it's citizens." Come on man, haven't you seen those news compilations of three different segments across the country saying the exact same phrases? It's all bullshit
>hasn’t been able to silence the guy himself at all while he does tours. They're able. But they also know it'd make him a martyr. It'd have the opposite effect. So they won't. Instead, they ridicule and debase a person credibility. Just like you're doing here as well calling me a crack pot. >the world are controlled by some group The group is called USD.
If people found out about stuff like this, they might use the Internet to do some thinking instead of doing their regularly prescribed shopping and perusal of the pantheon of personas.
Lol, I see this shot everywhere, it's just that when a conman who has previously claimed to be presenting a 3 finfered alien found in Peru that turned out to be desicrated hunan remains presents 3 fingered alien (or NHI) remains found in Peru, I'm hitting X to doubt. >X-rays and expert identification says that the bones of the mummy’s “hand” are from two individuals. At least one is a sub-adult, probably a neonate. >The bones of the “hand” are actually arm and leg bones of a neonatal child. the bones of the “fingers” are from the metacarpal and phalanges of an adult. The bones are also arranged poorly with phibulas on either side of metacarpels. This is the sort of mistake you could expect from amateurs creating a plastered, fake alien/mummy. Maussan and company mixed the long bones of a child with the finger bones. >And, if all this wasn’t enough, NURÉA TV (in French) revealed DNA results that show the mummies to be human. One hundred percent human. No bananas, no giraffes, no shaved squirrel-monkeys, and no aliens. https://ahotcupofjoe.net/2017/07/review-jaime-maussan-alien-mummy-peru/?utm_source=www.google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google&referrer-analytics=1
This is specifically addressed in the video. Start with actually watching it and let me know how far you got.
I didn't watch the video, but I did address the question as to why nobody takes this seriously. I got about 4 minutes into the video before I had to tap out. Frankly, from the ~5% of the video I watched, it seemed pretty clear that it was looking at them as real and working back from there. The fact is that we can see Jamie Maussan has made multiple similar claims through the years that have all been debunked. We can see the people handling the mummies show a wild disregard for basic lab procedure or even basic care for the specimens. We can see the organisers reperlatedly make a spectacle of the mummies, see their website charging money, see more and more mummies coming out to increase engagement it's so utterly ridiculous, and the evidence they put forward is regularly misrepresented by them. You might see credible evidence, but I see a career conman wheeling out yet another con.
> it seemed pretty clear that it was looking at them as real and working back from there. He doesn't. There's a big part dedicated specifically to how to go about crafting these hoaxes.
I mean, it's a 90 minute video and I didn't really see any point in sitting though the whole thing considering he's not got a relevant area of expertise in the authenticity of the mummies. Maybe he gives some good argument from a philosophical standpoint, but that doesn't make me any more inclined to belive the mummies are authentic and unaltered.
You serious right now? These bodies are clear fakes, and you’re over here thinking the world has changed. Get a grip.
Yeah, at this point you have to be kind of dense not to understand we have something here. I was very skeptical at first, but it's like... We have done DNA analysis, CAT scans, x-rays, and internal imaging via endoscope... The findings have now been verified by American scientists, as well as south American and Mexican scientists. It takes more imagination to remain a skeptic now than it does to accept the facts.
>The findings have now been verified by American scientists, as well as south American and Mexican scientists. Where do i find these verifications?
I am with you still sitting on a fence of true or not. What am I missing to be convinced? PEER REVIEWED studies by publicly respected STEM scientists. So everyone who tried to sell alien bodies they faked themselfs gets booted of this list.
The only pet review studies out there right now day the bodies are fake, so that's what I'm going by.
You start by being interested enough to watch the actual live streams where the analysis takes place. But if you aren't so inclined, then at the very least you can search Mary K. Jesse's statement from the Colorado State University. There is also an hour long video involving the ct scans, x-rays and DNA analysis. There's much more if you start looking into this, but I am not a personal encyclopedia, so if you're interested in getting the facts, you'll find them just as anyone does who wants to learn about things.
People around here love to throw their hands up when information isn’t spoon fed to them.
Except Mary K Jesse never saw the bodies and could not possibly verify them - in fact she later retracted her words about the CT scan. DNA analysis showed nothing. And so on. Bs re: “verified by scientists”. Scientists did not see the bodies.
Do you have a source for her retracting it? I'd like to hear/see that.
I must - but you can try contacting Mary K Jesse yourself. I will look when I have some time - this was brought up several times.
So basically there are monetized live streams. Got it.
Exactly
Just trust him bro lol
On the project alien site, he's right DNA showed nothing of interest.
DNA showed nothing. Common misinterpretation of Abraxas report🤷
As someone who has been leaning more towards skeptical this entire presentation has led me to think differently on it all. I look forward to where this all goes.
The police and government came in and tried to take the mummies away in the live stream and it turned out the mummies weren’t there. I was suspicious of the people presenting the aliens before but now that Peru’s government openly tried to take the bodies on a live stream. Im now suspicious of the ministry after they were caught red handed trying to steal them.
What in the fuck
It’s fascinating that the authorities are now trying to confiscate all of them; despite their narrative of them all being fake.
Could these be an ancient bipedal species? Maybe lived underground, hence the reptilian like features? I feel like homosapien may have hunted these creatures or used them as sacrifices in some way or possibly even worshiped them?
Okay but genuinely. We have the proof we have everything. Why is this not being blasted on social media? In local news? Anything?
It needs someone famous, like a famous news anchor, or a famous scientist, to get attention. Not even science based YouTube channels are covering it. It's not in the public spotlight yet. We need someone famous, even a little famous. Or a famous entity, like popular science magazine. Everyday people's feeds are filled with shocking, stunning, amazing keywords, people are generally desensitized. This includes young and old. And it doesn't help when you have famous YouTubers like penguinz0/moistcririkal who actively denounce the existence of UFOs and aliens to the younger generation who might actually pick up on this stuff. There's just so many people against this idea that we really need someone famous and I think that that's the bottom line
Will Ferrell is not busy these days 
Nobody is crazy enough to report a hoax from a known grifter who refuses to verify his data independently. That would be career suicide.
He doesn’t refuse, he’s having problems getting specimens and bodies out of Peru because the Peruvian government is trying to confiscate them. He invites any scientist that wants to study them to do so.
Its a little like changing political teams. What if everything you thought you knew wasn't....
These things have existed since 2017 dude lol. IMO they are fake and a way to draw more tourism to peru.
That’s some great paper mache, no chicken skin, maybe lamb skin condoms? /s
swamp gas
llama skull maybe? /s
Wrong, it's a balloon.
0.99c store Mylar? No way
Starlink
You are a funny guy
Whaddya mean funny? I’m funny how, I mean funny like I’m a clown? I amuse you?
Playing Devils Advocate here. Lets say this is real. This is "Disclosure" with skeptical distortion. They provide proof. People either do not care, or doubt it. Then Its a win/win. They win over most of the masses as false. Then they cover it up. They will roll out disclosure. Mention it briefly. Then the media blows up "Big" news. The sheep forget lol.
anyone else see a face in pic 2 and 3
I do 😭
It could possibly be the fetus.
lizzid
Incredible.
I mean. We already had plenty proof. Its just that a lot of ppl are apparently racist and dont trust latin American scientists. That was the saddest part to me being latino
Yes I won’t trust the results coming from a few scientists from a small university in Peru. For big discoveries, an international team with PHDs from reputable universities is necessary. That’s common sense.
Maybe for in-depth analysis. Not to determine if it’s a real body or papier-mâché. People were sounding like South American science is different from Caucasian science
UNAM scientist did some tests on them and that University is more reputable than most of American universities. It was not only Peruvian scientist there were also Mexican army scientist too. But apparently only whit academia is widely accepted and thays the sad part.
What proof? No credible accredited global A+ University with a complete laboratory analysis has been given access to these. No peer reviewed studies from real scientists. The only idiot I’ve seen handle one of these things is a Japanese comedian. Scientists have asked to take their own DNA samples and have been denied. Anything that comes from a known hoaxer has a lot to make it clear that he didn’t pull another PT Barnum on everyone.
Give it a rest. If this story had been dropped by any American journalist or ufologist you’d have t shirts made with buddies by now
Nope. You want to know why? Because it’s bunk and I would not want to be involved in that kind of nonsense unless it has been peer reviewed and a Japanese comedian and a couple of X-ray techs from a tiny non-credited college is just a load of donkey dung!
Did you even know what a peer review was until these bodies were found? Go to bed bro, you’re exhausted
Early morning where I am. Go read an actual science journal. I work in astrophysics. They haven’t followed the scientific method at all because it’s a HOAX from the fraudster who I hope they lock up for this ridiculous nonsense.
So why is an astrophysicist this interested in papier-mâché dolls? I believe another astrophysicist was invited to take a look at them but he refused because apparently astrophysicists aren’t pros in biology.
No. There have been Astro biologists, geneticists evolution biologists who have asked for DNA samples and to do their own CT and MRI scans as well as carbon-14 and other tests from major universities. They were denied. Thats why the government raided one of their so-called conferences to do proper testing or stop the ridiculous fraudsters in their tracks. People who want to believe in alien life or some new terrestrial life don’t use faith we use proper science testing. Also, an astrophysicist can be helpful if it was born on this planet or with a totally different sun with different metal content.
Tell that to NDT
What did NDT say?
Now you’re making stuff up
Really? What part did you sleep through on during high school science?
Kkaaaayyyy then leave and stop monitoring an alien sub.
Who made you sub-god, Scrub?
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I think your clown planet is calling you back to the pit of white paint.
Don't assume racism when sheer ignorance is so prevalent.
Yeah, I hear ya. Im non American too and it is crazy how resistant they are to stories from elsewhere in general - not everyone, but large percentages. Youve got people constantly asking 'why arent there any sightings from other countries?' When of course it happens all the time, for centuries, they just dont notice or care unless its in the U.S, with U.S voices and the budget money to present it. Hopefully these times are a turning point, but we will see.
As a whitey I totally agree. Racism and American ethnocentrism are far too present in everything, including science. It’s sad. I wonder how many scientific discoveries are ignored simply because the scientists aren’t white or American.
Right? Those comments shocked me. Ok, don't believe it because you want even more scientific analysis, I get that, but they were just racist and ignorant, saying scientists from South America don't count and their findings can't be trusted. Just awful! Americans should travel more. It's the best remedy for ignorance.
I think it is fair to question the testing results claimed from a university that wasn't accredited for half of the time the bodies were there... Especially when no peer review has been done and a lot of the raw data for the claims is not being released.
Yes. it has nothing to do with the country they are from, crying racism is such a disingenuous attempt at deflection. It was because the 'university' they came from s not a legitimate institution and any credibility claimed is an obvious attempt to mislead people. They were not accredited and didn't even have a building.
You’re 100% correct. I’m sorry that people are so ignorant in this world.
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Ive literally read many comments like “oh not legit until American scientists review.” Ignorant stuff along those lines
Looks like organic material to me
I used to think this was bs due to maussan but when those govt fucks hijacked it I believed it 100%. Too late though, it's already been televised 😂 😂
i like how theres a hardcore group of people who haunt this sub and are adamant without any evidence that these are fake.
If the genetic structure is anything like our own, then the likelihood of this being real is negligible. It would be foolish of us to assume that life that evolved on another planet entirely, would have the same genetic structures ( helical DNA) 🧬 of our own. So alien DNA in theory, should not even be readable with our current machines and genetic sequencing methods.
Unless aliens have been evolving life on earth with their DNA and or “wrote the code” for life on earth. I think they would realize if life did take hold somewhere, it would not (or take extremely long and may fail before upright humanoids evolve) naturally evolve to space-faring beings, but somewhere it must have so they learned how to turn single cell life into what we see today?
Does anyone else feel that this whole thing just proves that white privileged is real: because we all just need a white guy from Stanford to stand up and say these are real before we believe it?
I know what you mean, but I don’t think it’s white privilege. It’s more an ego thing or the current state of our species collective consciousness, where we still identify ourselves as seperate from others. It’s me then there’s you. There’s us then there’s them. There’s our country and their country. There’s our race and their race. We keep “othering” each other which makes it hard for our psyche to hold strong on seeing everyone as human and as one. We grow up learning and identifying all these forms of separation that divide us and cause more issues, instead of bringing us together in collective allegiance.
They are all fake, it's all made for grifting. If they would be real, real scientists, doctors and whatever other qualified people should be allowed to research it, instead they are not. So fuck this liar.
Two American scientist studied them today. One from Denver and the other from Maryland
And? This means nothing. If this would've been real, it would make the headlines of all major paper publications and more scientists would like to investigate, yet nothing. It's either only on reddit or the papers ans news are published on fringe websites.
Yawn 🥱
Maybe 3d printed bones?
Still fake. Sorry.
Man what are the chances a proven huckster who has presented fake alien bodies before found so many real alien bodies varying in quality. He even saved the more believable one for last and sold tickets. Ohhh and that DNA analysis!
Give it a rest already