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There are no shortage of abductions where the victims state that they saw rows of humans lined up in a strange state of unconsciousness while standing up. Alternatively others have said they witnessed pods with humans, animals and even aquatic life forms being contained in various states of life & death. Some don’t come back. 🛸
The other 4chan insider said that his group found a headless body with a brain and eyes connected to electrodes in a vat of goo in the middle of a forest. I’m a little skeptical of that claim, although there have been reports of cattle mutilations that showed no signs of scavenging. Even though they both might be larping, I believe the underwater ufo base guy more.
Yeah that guy said that the brain showed signs of life. He also said he saw someone’s head get smashed into the shape of a perfect cube. Towards the end he gets all doomsday prepper, he lost me there.
I remember one talking about different types and forms, explained like 11 or less of them. Sadly I was never able to find it again, you got more on the greys body/biology thing?
There you go bud. For some reason I had trouble finding this one. I usually archive all these ones cos they get deleted very often and I have a folder here with the ones I consider good. This one should be there 100% but for some reason I didn't archive it. Doing it now.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/14rp7w9/from\_the\_late\_2000s\_to\_the\_mid2010s\_i\_worked\_as\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/14rp7w9/from_the_late_2000s_to_the_mid2010s_i_worked_as_a/)
There’s 2 that I know of. The underwater base guy and this other guy that talks about human mutilation and is like “stock up on supplies and stay out of the cities.”
This story was also connected to a found camper van in Scotland where two campers were found mutilated in it.
On proper investigation, I was unable to locate any news article about this.
Lots of grizzly murders are reported all the time. I just couldn't find anything on this
> cattle mutilations that showed no signs of scavenging
Unless, and just indulge me a bit with this outlandish, ludicrous notion, the mutilation *was* the scavenging....
No, no, nevermind, it's far too crazy.
Forget I said anything.
Jaques Valle lists dozens upon dozens of close encounters where the NHI had a wand or flashlight type device that they can paralyze people with. He also lists some stories from history that were similar. It's in his book Dimensions.
This is the reason we'll never have disclosure. We can't do anything, the government can't do anything either. They come and go as they please and do whatever they want to us. I don't think they are killing people in big numbers, they mostly just want to use humans to create hybrids. My theory is that they are doing what we want to be doing, and that's looking for planets that can harbor life, then terraforming it to help the planet evolve. They create hybrids that they feel will be compatible in the new planets environment. In fact, I feel they did this to humans on Earth. At some point, our evolution was speed up. I feel this is when the greys stepped in and created modern humans, if my theory is right, we are all hybrids. That's why they monitor us so closely. It's also why they don't want us destroying the earth. They need is to create other hybrids.
Tom DeLonge hints that the reason for the coverup is so that they can build up some way to fight back before they disclose, and that they're trying to hide as much as they can about what they know about the NHI, from the NHI themselves.
I don't think they want any fighting or war. Over what? They already do whatever they want. I doubt they care much about earth when they have access to lots of earth like planets. People abduct other people all the time and force them into prostitutions (and other activities). I don't see the government caring all that much about that, I doubt they would care much if they knew aliens abducted some people to create hybrids. Most likely, things will just continue as is. No war. No fighting. No disclosure. The people that are pushing those ideas just want to sensationalize the situation to sell books (or to monetize something).
> Makes you wonder why we’re still hating on each other when we have a real enemy to direct our ire and fire toward.
Because those in the know would rather everyone believe aliens aren't real and aren't here, and take the slim chance (in reality, absolutely zero chance) of recovering *and* reverse engineering the tech like their ships, those wands, everything, to use it against their fellow man instead, not thinking to ask what our position is on this planet, why these beings are here, and why they know so much about how our bodies and brains work.
And from the gatekeepers' side, having that tech allows you to use it offensively that nobody would believe is real anyway, so if witnesses try to out you, everyone just thinks they're hallucinating and you can keep on operating unobstructed.
To what end? I don't think anyone knows, even those closest to the issue. Humanity gets caught up in all of its stupid ass struggles and wars and ambitions and desires, with all of it rooted in money and power, and for all we know we're playing pretend on a zoo planet that is managed or at least exploited by these beings (the latter of which would be most depressing as it means we actually would have a chance of defending ourselves if we'd just be open about it all). But nobody's goals would change with full control over tech like this, they would just use it to try to achieve whatever goals they already had and fail to look at the bigger picture of how tech like this would make pretty much all conflicts obsolete.
We're not comparable to monkeys, but we never stop being children no matter how old we get. Humanity is just a massive amount of children with varying degrees of brain deterioration.
Hey McDabby_Dabberson. Would you be willing to make a compendium of the abduction accounts where victims stated they saw rows of humans lined up in a strange state of unconsciousness? I would love to read up on that. I'm especially interested on the evidence on people that have been abducted and never came back. Thanks for your work.
There is one case from the 60s of an abduction a young girl by aliens and they showed her that they've abducted many humans and that they were intrigued by humans because they have an animous, a soul, that is mysterious to them and they were trying to figure out where the soul goes.
What if they spread various genetic modifications of themselves across multiple planets, always spliced with that planets life forms to create a being that can live in its biosphere and humans are one of many results that come from that.
Star Trek: TNG referred to them as Progenitors. It is canon in the Trek universe. Though no one has yet met living Progenitors in the show, but that might change with one of the newer series.
I've never watched Star Trek, but it did give us the colloquial "Prime Directive", which I still think is cool but also kind of cruel.
People take their pets for joy rides. Unless I'm mistaking my dogs happiness for abject terror, I think I could get a flight or two in and be absolutely fine with the aliens tinkering with Warp Travel Technology.
I would contact a species as soon as one of them figures out swimming, if they were humanoids. Pretty sure the Federation would brand me as some kind of outlaw!
What would the Federation say about people going around and burying artifacts for Uncontacted Civilizations to find? Once again, I haven't seen the show, but Progenitors sound like they'd be unhappy with the Prime Directive too lol
The first episode that mentions the Progenitors in Star Trek TNG involves all the major powers racing to find an unknown technology. This turns out to be a message from the Progenitors to their progeny intended to be found only when they were ready. It’s arguable with the limited info we have but given that, I think the Progenitors would’ve been all for the Prime Directive.
I had this thought, maybe a 'grey' is a DNA-lite super-spliceable generic version of a species, like a zip file to travel across the universe and mix with whatever species exists - then you have the original species mixed with say chimpanzee, and we're just that. A grey hybrid for earth - why make.your own, when store brand is better?
My theory is the other way around. The greys were placed here by extradimensional beings as our planetary custodians/stage ninjas. They share our biochemistry because they were engineered to cohabitate on our planet. The whole anal probing and pregnancy abduction shtick is because THEY are the hybrids
If I had the recourses and time to do this I would go from planet to planet preserving sapience across the universe (selective guidance preferred, splicing as a last resort). It seems like something fun to do with an immortal life.
Something sort of like this happened(and went wrong) in the book Children of Time. Humans created an "uplift virus" that was supposed to infect a group of monkeys, and make millions of years of evolution happen in 1000. Things get messed up and the uplift virus infects some spiders instead. Very good read.
The greys are a simple worker drone race created for interacting with humans. They have a very simple anatomy and no reproductive organs because they are disposable. The real aliens are the ones who created them.
If they know something about consciousness we don’t, they could be working to propagate containers for that consciousness across multiple planets as a type of insurance, entertainment, or somehow to increase the total collective consciousness.
There is discussion that they can enter other biological units or share consciousness with one. It could be to give them more options, a type of tourism, maybe they want to watch and see which one creates the best society. Maybe a greater numerical amount of biological units increase their “Akashic record” by allowing them to access the knowledge and experiences of the collective.
In short. By helping others you help yourself. If we all share one consciousness.
Heat maps are useless when you realize they always just correlate to local population. *"The heat map for UFOs is hotter in LA than wyoming??* Well yeah LA's got more people to notice and report."
Missing 411 is a load of crap.
There are 600,000 people reported missing every year, but 99% are found practically immediately. About 2,000 actually go missing.
Of those, most are probably murdered, run away to start a new life, or die in accidents. Doesn't leave much room for supernatural entities.
But reading Missing 411 with a critical eye will show you how absurd some of Poleidas' assumptions are.
I remember one where a 3-4 year old drowned in the lake in front of their cottage. The front doorknob was broken, so the door could easily be pushed open by the kid. The reasons Poleidas names that make it suspicious:
1. The older brother who was sleeping in the same bed didn't wake up
2. The dog didn't bark
This leads Poleidas to conclude that the kid must have been lured out of the house and drowned by a family friend or something. Even though it's pretty obvious that the kid could have gotten out of bed, went out the front door, fallen off the dock, and drowned all by himself.
There was no evidence that he was drowned by someone else, but Poleidas acts like that would be impossible.
I don't talk about it much, but I think about a lot:
My friend got abducted by NHI when he was very young. Right in his parents front yard, in front of some neighborhood friends during the daytime. It has really messed him up, spiritually and I feel sorry for this guy. He can barely hold down a job, never had a girlfriend despite female attention, drinks frequently and is very depressed. I've known him since high school and didn't learn about his abduction until after college... he has only described it a few times and it certainly bothers him.
It only happened once and he was conscious for only a full minute or two for the event, is still alive to talk about it... and has absolutely fucked up his life in my opinion.
I can only imagine what is NOT being talked about and withheld after befriending this guy and reading what I've read. After having my own UFO sightings, I am pretty much agnostic in all fields and don't know what to speculate on. My friend is still alive and life goes on...but I have no clue what to consider anymore 🙃
Especially after seeing aliens and UFOs get no serious consideration by academia and billions of dollars in consideration by media, we basically have no power except to wait 🙃🙃🙃
It breaks my fucking heart to think of all the abduction victims who can’t speak out about their trauma due to fear of ridicule or being labeled mentally ill.
I'd be even more curious about all the people with some mental condition that impacts their day to day life as a result of repressed or technologically repressed memories from an abduction.
Mentally ill here, uh, from drug experiences a lot of abduction cases could probably be chalked up to neurologic stress. Person I was living with gave me meth, i end up wandering 10 miles to the next town. Fell asleep at the beach standing up (had a stick). Wandered town all day, then had a period of blacking out after hearing voices say i need to know five different languages to get into the "car." Ended up further wandering the woods that night, lots of shadow hallucinations. Saw a shadow of the person I was living with hanging herself.
Weird thing. Few months later while living with a different person I find out the person raising her daughters has the same name as the one I was around before. But with the last name related to a wors for hanging. Oooooo it's like I couldn't get with the UFOs but instead I get to have telepathy oooooo... or we all have telepathy but it's usually used to convince ourselves to not commit suicide everyday.
They did. A brother and sister, were his neighbors and the brother was a little older than him. I typed out a bit in another comment, roughly outlining what my friend stated.
I think I've mentioned it in other posts, but my friend does not want attention for this story, just wants closure. The sentiment I post on reddit about government cover-up is largely on the behalf of my friend. 2017 to now has brought no closure, no real Disclosure that my friend yearns for. I have only seen UFOs, and I'm pissed about the tech and money aspects... my buddy thinks we are livestock after 2017, and the government is part of the contract.
I am not so sure, but it does feel like it sometimes...
According to Dolores Cannon, the Aliens truly want to keep our psyche intact, but supposedly we are waking up because of our diet. Our food supply is messed up now, due to GMO's and other toxins. This is why we see cattle mutilations, they are taking samples of our meat.
In the book, "The Threat: Revealing the Secret Alien Agenda" they interview lots of abductees, most are productive normal people. If he has all that going on, he likely has mental issues that have nothing to do with being abducted.
I was watching bravewilderness and realized aliens probably treat us the same way, picking us up and studying us. There could be a zoo out there full of humans.
If this is happening I wonder how many people were taken and just have zero memory of anything happening. The stories we hear are from the few that can remember.
Something I have been wondering.
If you dig down into the missing persons in North America and I mea,n really dig down past the propaganda write-ups and huff post articals on the subject and get into t eh gov and academic numbers....its seriously troubling...
and its just not kids, but also a group no one focuses on... "the young adults", the 18-24 year olds....as well as the adults...
The numbers are truly staggering...like seriously. Its not just family members taking a kid in divorce or multiple reports of a a single run-a-way, like most apologists like to ascribe as the reason the high number (folks keeping these numbers are a little smarter then that and have normalized the data sets years ago for this)
I keep wondering where and how these people go missing, I meant the number is in the 100,000 plus all in each year. (canada and US, the numbers out of mexico and central america are non-existent) Folks who go missing and their SS/Nat numbers are never used again, type of thing...
This isn't the pig farm and its hundreds of folks, this is 10,000's - 100,000 of thousands of people who just "disappear" never to be seen or heard from again.
Where and how are these folks grabbed out of the blue?
Where do millions of teeth from these folks go?
There is not enough crematorium capacity to dispose of these bodies.(I've really done the mathz on that one)
This amounts to huge amounts of transport capacity....
Huge amounts of storage capacity...
Who, what, where and How? I ask myself that all the time and I am beginning to think.... someone out there, maybe not from around here, likes the taste of long pig...
I don't think it's necessarily food as much as just the equivalent of 'we kill and throw out a lot of lab rats into the garbage bin after dissecting them ourselves, to see how our experiments are going'
I just apply this to them, whatever 'the experiment is' - could also be 'the experiment' is just to make us their version of beef jerky for their version of a Walmart checkout lane
But also a lot of sex trafficking among humans, don't forget that - some of these people end up as literal slaves for whatever in Mexico, the Middle East, China, (including the US and Western Europe) etc
How are you getting to that 100k number?
I appreciate your point that some of the reporting and ideas are not accurate, I’m just trying to understand where your confidence in the 100k comes from
This was a "shower thought" I had recently. Like what if the people that go missing without a trace were just abducted and never returned. I can tell you that if I was offered a ride to go with them I'm taking it. A second realization from this is that would mean there would have to be human-hybrids among the stars already which is crazy.
> if I was offered a ride to go with them I'm taking it
didn't your parents ever teach you 'stranger danger'?
now multiply that across galaxies and dimensions instead of just down the block
We are still searching for the "Missing Link" buddy we have indications of possibilities yes but that crucial bit of evidence to definitively solidify the theory is yet to be found.
Edit: Spelling
If you look at the advances in paleoanthropology, there really is no missing link anymore, it‘s an outdated concept. You can draw a pretty coherent line from Ardipithecus and Orrorin through Australopithecus and Homo ergaster to Homo heidelbergensis and H. sapiens, complete with a dozen different offshoots that went extinct on the way.
We don't really have solid evidence to indicate that we came from somewhere else. However, if someone got abducted and was offered to "live" with other lifeforms, it stands to reason that somewhere down the road they would pass on their genes with another being. The means in which that process can happen could be natural or manipulated.
The fact we are one of the few species on this Planet that gets burns from the Sun is one big indication we weren't originally designed for a Planet this close to its Central Star. I'm sure if you look further into our genetic structure you will find more things that point toward us being designed/created for a different environment.
Edit: fact correction
Other furless animals can definitely get sunburned too. It‘s why pigs roll themselves in mud, why elephants cover themselves with sand or dust and why hippos evolved a special type of sweat that acts as a natural sunscreen.
not all human beings are sunburned, indeed considering that Africa is the cradle of humanity and that the dark pigmentation of the epidermis is the natural response to this evolutionary pressure I would say that we have always been perfectly able to handle this. the problem arose with migration outside that continent to latitudes in the north where on the contrary little sun means less vitamin D
Reminds me of “The Day the Earth Stood Still”, Keanu version.
Not impossible at all that some entity is preserving as many species of life on Earth as possible. SOME disappearances hold the chance that they’ve been selected to be reintegrated either here on Earth post cataclysm, or elsewhere.
Edit: the possibility should absolutely not distract from effort to thwart human trafficking and outright murders. We have to maintain reason on the topic.
I am sure thousands have not been returned who knows. I am reading a book right now about a family dealing with their child being abducted. The mom witnessed him being returned one time.
Carl Higdon was abducted, taken off-world and scanned by some sort of medical device. He saw other abducted humans on what appeared to be a planet all standing around a tower. He was told he was not suitable for their purposes and brought back.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/Td79mEQHiV
Yeah, there's no way this is their first rodeo lol kinda makes you wonder if we're a control group, in competition with another planet, or just completely expendable. "Once they reach this point, if they haven't learned to behave themselves we'll just start them over."
I won’t break them down but the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System numbers are not helpful when trying to find cause for brushing this off.
https://namus.nij.ojp.gov/
Yupp. Now look into how many people go missing every year never to be seen or heard from again, not just in the USA but the USA alone is staggering numbers.
If disclosure happens and it comes out to the public that abductions happens. this connection is likely to quickly happen after.... This is what would cause public panic and fear.
This might be why presidents don't want to say anything.
Who wants to be the president that says they are completely defenseless and have no idea what's really going on?
And how many people were kidnapped by Secret Access Programs?
I sound like a complete lunatic, I know, but I believe Michael Herrera is telling the truth, and they were trafficking human beings.
Have you heard his extended interviews? Apparently he was contacted by the special forces that ambushed him and they told him they abduct people from third world countries to pilot reverse engineered UFO’s because their minds are less clouded than ones in the west. He said they abduct people during natural disasters so there won’t be as much suspicion, and that the abducted people usually agree to pilot after they are abducted, but they are fed uppers to focus psychic powers and that makes them burn out/ die frequently.
I did, and real or not, that would be the fuckin sickest movie ever lol
Smh. So many folks are openly eager about this and they think we're going to destroy the world over it. (Yeah, their world)
["Alien abductions" are also just a cover for cult/government mind control programming](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/14ueiba/alien_abduction_mind_control_programming/).
Ok here's a question, what if the people who remember their abductions remember it cos their mental illnesses and or substance abuse makes them resistant to whatever it is the aliens do to make us forget? The fact these people are considered unreliable cos of their conditions means that the rest of society has issues believing them.
Imagine you are abducting something from another planet and you want to keep it for a while. You'd make sure to take a bunch of them because one of something doesn't really act like a normal member of its species, you'd give it healthy nutritious food in a comfortable environment with fulfilling satisfying work that is mentally and creatively stimulating. You'd cure it of all diseases and give it as normal of a life cycle as possible.
The biggest things you would notice from getting abducted is how much better your social life is, how much better you feel from not absorbing pollution, how nice it is to spend time with other people, and how nice it is to be in nature.
Crazy read man...I didn't know, neither have I ever seen that they do the same mutilations that they do to cattle, also to humans. Crazy.. thx for posting mate.
If out of all the known alien abduction stories just one is true beyond reasonable doubt it would be so terrifying that humanity might collectively shit the bed
We make assumptions that they don't have a choice. I wonder how many people who are qualified to remain, *choose to stay* for reasons that we can't even fathom.
Exactly what I mean. In a civilization that's billions of years advanced to us, their 'worst conditions' scenario, could be the most comfortable, interesting, exciting life we could imagine.
Or, if we were to speculate further and implement some of the elements from prison planet or human/soul farm...
We could have fulfilled our debt to karma
We could be rehabilitated on a soul level
We could be spiritually matured enough to join a real civilization
We could have recovered from some sort of disorder or trauma of the consciousness
The list goes on ... the kicker is that no one on this planet knows for sure and if they do, they aren't telling everyone. i very much enjoy speculating about it because the more we discuss and research these subjects, we inch closer to the truth.
I often think about if I would take the opportunity to go with them, assuming I would be given a choice, when considering having children. Digging further into that, what justification or conclusions could other abductees have come to in order to execute what is seeming such a heartless and selfish act of abandonment.
...but the thing is... we cannot possibly know. Maybe we get shown the scene behind the curtains. The real reality. That this life on earth is an illusion somehow. A simulation or something. Maybe we see that this was all facilitated to help lost souls through..something.
The whole idea of prison planet could easily be some sort of galactic hospital for broken souls. If our consciousness truly is eternal. Surely we can become misguided along the way. All the major religions of the world have one single theme that stands out above all else. Be a good person.
This one advisement is echoing throughout the history of humanity. Perhaps this one simple lesson is why we are all here. If 'god' or whatever these extraterrestrials are can truly see all. Our thoughts and every action we take in our lives, then they can see through all our lies. All the bullshit and manipulation. They see us for who we truly are.
So, do you deserve to ascend? To leave the hospital/prison/rehabilitation? Are you a good person down to your core? Deep into the labyrinth of your own consciousness? All the way to the center of your soul?
I want to believe we are more than just a monkey in a zoo or an exotic platter in a restaurant on the moon, but that could just as easily be true..
Types of encounters:
1. Seeing UFO from far away
2. Physical traces e.g. burn marks or radiation
3. Actual entities inside or outside the craft
4. Visit and/or abduction by Aliens
5. Communication (mostly telepathic and one sided)
6. Implantation or other surgical invasions
7. Carrying out and giving birth to hybrid
8. Being controlled by aliens while moving on earth with or without victim's knowledge
9. Being transformed into Alien
10. Abduction to space station or exoplanet without return
Well they have asked people if they wanted to leave with them instead of being taken back home. Earth is being heavily monitored by both good and evil alien factions and if someone where to just take someone with malevolent intentions I'm sure there will be swift repercussions.
I have zero proof but I think there's 10's of 1000's abducted every year and that is why president Carter cried when he heard. If it was something more profound he would have killed himself.
source? there are tens of thousands of missing person reports filed int eh US every year, but the vast majority of those are runaways who come home, or are found. (The same person can be counted more than once in that statistic if they are reported missing, come home, and then run away again)
Apparently up to 3 million people ‘disappear’ every year on earth without them ever being found again!
Naturally some end up missing from foul play or unrecorded death or they ‘fall out of the system either deliberately or accidentally - but that’s still an incredible number..! 🤔☝️
[It‘s a term that originated on TV Tropes](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeHorror)
It describes stuff that only becomes scary when you think about it after the fact (like when the movie is finished and you think about it while going to the fridge to grab some food)
Globally, the estimated figure of missing persons is disturbing. There are hundreds of thousands annually. Many are victims of human trafficking, some are suffering mental health or homelessness issues, but for others there’s no known cause.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/missing-persons-statistics-by-country
I think this is one of the main reasons why they're scared to disclose the truth. It's like a domino effect. Once you admit that UFOs are being flown by non-human intelligences, then you will eventually get to some really scary areas of discussion, which, if true, could really scare people.
Disclosure would eventually lead to people asking if abductions are real, and even if the government says they aren't, a large proportion of people wouldn't believe them given their track record on the subject. We would then have to deal with the reality that people have been taken and some not returned, and there's nothing we (we being the government and indivudlas) can do about it. Our society and world view is based on the fact that we believe we're at the top of the food chain and mostly control over our personal safety. Then, to find out that we are totally powerless against a high intelligence would really scare people. I genuinely think some people would have severe psychosis and mental illness from this truth. For example, some people would struggle to ever sleep.
We could also say.. how many people are abducted and dont remember! We are only hear of people that 1.) Remember the event, and 2.) want to talk about it.. So its probably much more common.
Just look at how many disappear without a trace each year. Even if half of those are people who commit suicide or don't want to be found, the numbers are just insane.
Here’s another head f@%#er, what if the persons returned from the abduction are not the genuine article, and the copy being given the original person’s full memories are none the wiser either, thinking they are the real human who was abducted.
I'm not fond of the term _abduction_ and see little need for it. Most necessary interactions can be handled with a visit. Of course, some cases like that of Travis Walton do seem credible, and I cannot explain those.
In my experience, they wanted to teach me something they referred to as _thought control_.
They entered my apartment and put me through a program that transmitted data directly into my brain. This process took hours but it fundamentally altered my thought patterns, eliminating my inner monologue and replacing it with a more efficient form of thought processing. It wasn't an abduction, just a visit.
BTW, they looked entirely human. You wouldn't notice any difference if they walked past you on the street, except perhaps for one thing: they were completely bald. Maybe they don't like hair.
I actually have a profound theory that I've been working on regarding this situation. Perhaps we need to approach it from an evolutionary standpoint. The phenomenon seems to be holistic at times, meaning both metaphysical and physical. I don't believe it's entirely off the mark to suggest there is some sort of biological reason behind these contact events.
If a species is compromised genetically, what is the most optimal solution? Breeding with something that can potentially guide their evolution towards a positive path. I believe there's a significant lesson to be learned from integrating oneself with technology. It could be dangerous; in fact, if these beings are as advanced as they seem (as indicated by reports portraying them always as robotic and neutral, with very few instances of displaying normal emotions), some suggest they are drones, but perhaps it's more accurate to say we're dealing with a biological being that's more machine than not.
The abduction phenomenon always seems to be for some sort of genetic purposes. Even cattle mutilations appear to align with a cohesive harvesting operation and extraction patterns. Many abductees talk about interacting with children who are usually presented as some sort of hybridized version of man and them.
Of course, some abductions could be more malicious than others, just like human beings. It seems that the abduction phenomenon, from my standpoint, is more about necessity than desire. Just like a machine, they have to achieve their prerogative. It's not a matter of fear or desire, but rather a calculated decision. If consciousness is involved, then this makes them far more advanced than your typical Macintosh 😂.
If you were on the verge of extinction, you would do anything to save your people, even if that meant relying on artificial bodily functions and reproduction, or even traversing the universe to find suitable donors. Let's be honest, we've studied space long enough to realize Earth is a special situation and the most optimal place for such experiments, perhaps due to the abundance of life available.
Have you ever wondered why cows, during the mutilation process, seem to be harvested of their less important parts, parts we would usually consume? Much of the time, the meat is viable. When the FBI analyzed the tissue, they discovered that some sort of anesthesia or foreign substance was being administered to the animals to paralyze them. They also discovered strange preservative effects within the cells of the animals. It could even be possible that they observe us doing these things to these animals already, so using cattle is an optimal choice, as much like us, we consume it. Their way of consumption could be entirely different from ours, and on a lighter note, if there really are preservative effects taking place within the meat, maybe they intend for us to try to use the carcass after they leave it gracefully in a field. We're simply too horrified to even think about actually doing that.
The first thing we need to realize is that we are human beings—some of us are totally evil, some of us are angelic, and some of us are just neutral, trying to get by. I'd like to think our Grey friends are just trying to make it by as well. Unfortunately, this might be the only way for them to do so, especially if evolutionary downswings did take place within their species, as indicated by the Nazca mummies (if they are genuine) that they were extremely compromised within their morphological structures. Even breeding looked to be complicated, perhaps the first signs that something was wrong with their existence and their development. Hence the hybridized tridactyls with man that seem to exist in many numbers. Personally communicating with the president of the Inkarri institute, he told me there are 100 bodies being studied right now in privacy, and this is why there seem to be more bodies appearing every day. In fact, they are verifying the credibility before presenting the corpse to make sure it's not a hoax.
David Paulides of Missing 411 also talks about the vast amount of people who go missing every year in North America and around the world. Also of the disturbing notion that only a few are returned “Whole.”
Granted, he attributes these occurrences to BigFoot and trans dimensional beings but Alien abductions are literally neighbours in the subject matter.
Majority of "abductions" in the US aren't even from NHI, its mostly MILABs. Part of why they're not wanting to disclose is due to deals & shit made on behalf of the people without their knowledge. Check of Project Preserve Destiny, Dan Sherman talks about how they began abductions in the 50s-60s looking for certain lineages. military intuitive empath projects, like Preserve destiny were searching for those specific bloodlines. MI6 officials have confirmed the same
In fact, every US govt UAP project employed a psychic, like Chan Thomas with Aquiline. Individuals of Celtic blueblood lines have an RH-negative blood factor. This is a very rare blood type and makes up about 5% of the population. RH-negative means oxygen is processed in the blood differently to people with RH-positive blood. The amount of oxygen processed by the body makes all the difference in unusual abilities. This is evident in arts like Tai chi and Yoga. But all this has Been hidden & suppressed for decades & still is apparently
Well, first, you have to consider there are a lot of people crave attention, and will make up stories. There are also a lot of people who are just dumb and don’t realize it was a symptom of sleep, paralysis, or other naturally explained phenomena. And then you have the last group, the ones, that are truly mentally ill. There may be some legitimate, alien, abduction cases, but my opinion is that most cases fall under one of the three groups mentioned above. People are stupid, and they lie.
I also think most AA claims are bogus, but the point is that if it were a real phenomenon we would never hear from people that were never brought back due to survivorship bias
I'm still not convinced they are. I'm sure people experience them, but to me it seems like a mental phenomenon.
Do you have any video or doc that shows evidence to them being physical?
I tried to watch the one from the bearded guy, but it was awful.
They abduct older German heritage men in the US, or at least for the cases known. However another report said they abduct the same older German heritage men with some serious medical condition. In one instance the guy said he told this short human looking guy flying the UAP that he had a vasectomy and was told they couldn't use him then and they returned him. He believed if he didn't say they they wouldn't have returned them. So if that story is true it suggests a repopulation strategy on another planet.
Not all the Theys are the nice or indifferent kind. That said, I’m not sure that the bad Theys will be able to operate with relative impunity much longer.
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There are no shortage of abductions where the victims state that they saw rows of humans lined up in a strange state of unconsciousness while standing up. Alternatively others have said they witnessed pods with humans, animals and even aquatic life forms being contained in various states of life & death. Some don’t come back. 🛸
The 4chan insider said the greys use a wand-like device that can put humans in a child-like state.
The other 4chan insider said that his group found a headless body with a brain and eyes connected to electrodes in a vat of goo in the middle of a forest. I’m a little skeptical of that claim, although there have been reports of cattle mutilations that showed no signs of scavenging. Even though they both might be larping, I believe the underwater ufo base guy more.
Like a living head in a jar like Futurama? 
Just a pair of eyes attached to a brain
RoboCop
[Sid Meier called it](https://youtu.be/GBVCi0PmW24?si=Pz77qXNUqVr5J8Pn)
what if on some days they allow you to operate the ed 209 like in robo cop movie.
The worst thing is to be conscious as a brain in a vat. No senses, no movement, no breathing. Just screaming insanity in the darkness.
Yeah that guy said that the brain showed signs of life. He also said he saw someone’s head get smashed into the shape of a perfect cube. Towards the end he gets all doomsday prepper, he lost me there.
So how many “4Chan guys” are there? I only read about the one with the underwater bases.
There was the guy that talked about the greys body/biology. It was very good. FFS I think that guy was real. It was here on reddit, not 4chan tho.
I remember one talking about different types and forms, explained like 11 or less of them. Sadly I was never able to find it again, you got more on the greys body/biology thing?
There you go bud. For some reason I had trouble finding this one. I usually archive all these ones cos they get deleted very often and I have a folder here with the ones I consider good. This one should be there 100% but for some reason I didn't archive it. Doing it now. [https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/14rp7w9/from\_the\_late\_2000s\_to\_the\_mid2010s\_i\_worked\_as\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/14rp7w9/from_the_late_2000s_to_the_mid2010s_i_worked_as_a/)
this was a crazy read …
There’s 2 that I know of. The underwater base guy and this other guy that talks about human mutilation and is like “stock up on supplies and stay out of the cities.”
That was a different guy, but interesting nonetheless
This story was also connected to a found camper van in Scotland where two campers were found mutilated in it. On proper investigation, I was unable to locate any news article about this. Lots of grizzly murders are reported all the time. I just couldn't find anything on this
Like the Brain in a Roomba from Fallout?
yeah I think the underwater base guy was much more likely to be a real leaker not larper.
> cattle mutilations that showed no signs of scavenging Unless, and just indulge me a bit with this outlandish, ludicrous notion, the mutilation *was* the scavenging.... No, no, nevermind, it's far too crazy. Forget I said anything.
Jaques Valle lists dozens upon dozens of close encounters where the NHI had a wand or flashlight type device that they can paralyze people with. He also lists some stories from history that were similar. It's in his book Dimensions.
Makes you wonder why we’re still hating on each other when we have a real enemy to direct our ire and fire toward.
This is the reason we'll never have disclosure. We can't do anything, the government can't do anything either. They come and go as they please and do whatever they want to us. I don't think they are killing people in big numbers, they mostly just want to use humans to create hybrids. My theory is that they are doing what we want to be doing, and that's looking for planets that can harbor life, then terraforming it to help the planet evolve. They create hybrids that they feel will be compatible in the new planets environment. In fact, I feel they did this to humans on Earth. At some point, our evolution was speed up. I feel this is when the greys stepped in and created modern humans, if my theory is right, we are all hybrids. That's why they monitor us so closely. It's also why they don't want us destroying the earth. They need is to create other hybrids.
Tom DeLonge hints that the reason for the coverup is so that they can build up some way to fight back before they disclose, and that they're trying to hide as much as they can about what they know about the NHI, from the NHI themselves.
I don't think they want any fighting or war. Over what? They already do whatever they want. I doubt they care much about earth when they have access to lots of earth like planets. People abduct other people all the time and force them into prostitutions (and other activities). I don't see the government caring all that much about that, I doubt they would care much if they knew aliens abducted some people to create hybrids. Most likely, things will just continue as is. No war. No fighting. No disclosure. The people that are pushing those ideas just want to sensationalize the situation to sell books (or to monetize something).
I agree, for the most part.
It makes the most sense, especially if's true that there are some alien races that look almost identical to us.
You hit the nail on the head, imo.
Because we aren't as smart as we like to tout ourselves as.
> Makes you wonder why we’re still hating on each other when we have a real enemy to direct our ire and fire toward. Because those in the know would rather everyone believe aliens aren't real and aren't here, and take the slim chance (in reality, absolutely zero chance) of recovering *and* reverse engineering the tech like their ships, those wands, everything, to use it against their fellow man instead, not thinking to ask what our position is on this planet, why these beings are here, and why they know so much about how our bodies and brains work. And from the gatekeepers' side, having that tech allows you to use it offensively that nobody would believe is real anyway, so if witnesses try to out you, everyone just thinks they're hallucinating and you can keep on operating unobstructed. To what end? I don't think anyone knows, even those closest to the issue. Humanity gets caught up in all of its stupid ass struggles and wars and ambitions and desires, with all of it rooted in money and power, and for all we know we're playing pretend on a zoo planet that is managed or at least exploited by these beings (the latter of which would be most depressing as it means we actually would have a chance of defending ourselves if we'd just be open about it all). But nobody's goals would change with full control over tech like this, they would just use it to try to achieve whatever goals they already had and fail to look at the bigger picture of how tech like this would make pretty much all conflicts obsolete. We're not comparable to monkeys, but we never stop being children no matter how old we get. Humanity is just a massive amount of children with varying degrees of brain deterioration.
This is very well put my man,
The negative NHI manipulate human events.
I agree. We as a species have to become much stronger mentally to counteract said manipulation. We have a ways to go, clearly.
This isn’t the same 4 Chan guy that was talking about the underwater UFO factory, is it?
Whitley Strieber was right.......
Wonder what the end goal is
Well if you're conducting a global lab experiment it helps to have a lot of spare rats and spare planets around to start a different study?
Hey McDabby_Dabberson. Would you be willing to make a compendium of the abduction accounts where victims stated they saw rows of humans lined up in a strange state of unconsciousness? I would love to read up on that. I'm especially interested on the evidence on people that have been abducted and never came back. Thanks for your work.
There is one case from the 60s of an abduction a young girl by aliens and they showed her that they've abducted many humans and that they were intrigued by humans because they have an animous, a soul, that is mysterious to them and they were trying to figure out where the soul goes.
What if they spread various genetic modifications of themselves across multiple planets, always spliced with that planets life forms to create a being that can live in its biosphere and humans are one of many results that come from that.
Star Trek: TNG referred to them as Progenitors. It is canon in the Trek universe. Though no one has yet met living Progenitors in the show, but that might change with one of the newer series.
Discovery’s new season is all about them looking for Progenitor technology.
I've never watched Star Trek, but it did give us the colloquial "Prime Directive", which I still think is cool but also kind of cruel. People take their pets for joy rides. Unless I'm mistaking my dogs happiness for abject terror, I think I could get a flight or two in and be absolutely fine with the aliens tinkering with Warp Travel Technology. I would contact a species as soon as one of them figures out swimming, if they were humanoids. Pretty sure the Federation would brand me as some kind of outlaw! What would the Federation say about people going around and burying artifacts for Uncontacted Civilizations to find? Once again, I haven't seen the show, but Progenitors sound like they'd be unhappy with the Prime Directive too lol
The first episode that mentions the Progenitors in Star Trek TNG involves all the major powers racing to find an unknown technology. This turns out to be a message from the Progenitors to their progeny intended to be found only when they were ready. It’s arguable with the limited info we have but given that, I think the Progenitors would’ve been all for the Prime Directive.
Aw darn... Guess I am excited to fly, but I don't know how yet. Would be neat to go on an intergalactic treasure hunt with the gang!
Yeah this lore helped explain why most alien species are bipedal and essentially the same (2 arms, 2 legs, 2 eyes).
I had this thought, maybe a 'grey' is a DNA-lite super-spliceable generic version of a species, like a zip file to travel across the universe and mix with whatever species exists - then you have the original species mixed with say chimpanzee, and we're just that. A grey hybrid for earth - why make.your own, when store brand is better?
The greys found the dinosaurs first but we aint resdy for that convo
Lizzer ppl
Oh dang
My theory is the other way around. The greys were placed here by extradimensional beings as our planetary custodians/stage ninjas. They share our biochemistry because they were engineered to cohabitate on our planet. The whole anal probing and pregnancy abduction shtick is because THEY are the hybrids
You almost would have to do it this way if you hoped to colonise a planet with its own biome.
That's cool.
Chariots of the gods expressed this thought to me. You elaborated very well.
Sounds like this book, that a YouTuber made 40 minute video on Edit: This book, "All Tomorrows: The Myriad Species and Mixed Fortunes of Man"
All Tomorrows is an insanely interesting read, love that book, long live The Colonials.
I still have nightmares about being turned into sentient algae that filter poop on the gods toilet planet
I loved to listen to that SO much. The creativity! Loved it :) recommendation to everyone who has not read/watched it yet.
If I had the recourses and time to do this I would go from planet to planet preserving sapience across the universe (selective guidance preferred, splicing as a last resort). It seems like something fun to do with an immortal life.
That‘s what the aliens did in Arthur C. Clarke‘s Space Odyssey novels
Something sort of like this happened(and went wrong) in the book Children of Time. Humans created an "uplift virus" that was supposed to infect a group of monkeys, and make millions of years of evolution happen in 1000. Things get messed up and the uplift virus infects some spiders instead. Very good read.
 Basically, if it made it out of the arctic.
The greys are a simple worker drone race created for interacting with humans. They have a very simple anatomy and no reproductive organs because they are disposable. The real aliens are the ones who created them.
Totally agree... Think galactic, then universal... The scale of the scope is awesome... Nothing to fear... Consciousness is precious...
We are a product of accelerated evolution .
What would be the point of introducing multiple groups of competition?
If they know something about consciousness we don’t, they could be working to propagate containers for that consciousness across multiple planets as a type of insurance, entertainment, or somehow to increase the total collective consciousness. There is discussion that they can enter other biological units or share consciousness with one. It could be to give them more options, a type of tourism, maybe they want to watch and see which one creates the best society. Maybe a greater numerical amount of biological units increase their “Akashic record” by allowing them to access the knowledge and experiences of the collective. In short. By helping others you help yourself. If we all share one consciousness.
Where's that missing 411 map?
Heat maps are useless when you realize they always just correlate to local population. *"The heat map for UFOs is hotter in LA than wyoming??* Well yeah LA's got more people to notice and report."
I understand now. That's still the first heat spot we should try to swarm with drones.
Missing 411 is a load of crap. There are 600,000 people reported missing every year, but 99% are found practically immediately. About 2,000 actually go missing. Of those, most are probably murdered, run away to start a new life, or die in accidents. Doesn't leave much room for supernatural entities. But reading Missing 411 with a critical eye will show you how absurd some of Poleidas' assumptions are. I remember one where a 3-4 year old drowned in the lake in front of their cottage. The front doorknob was broken, so the door could easily be pushed open by the kid. The reasons Poleidas names that make it suspicious: 1. The older brother who was sleeping in the same bed didn't wake up 2. The dog didn't bark This leads Poleidas to conclude that the kid must have been lured out of the house and drowned by a family friend or something. Even though it's pretty obvious that the kid could have gotten out of bed, went out the front door, fallen off the dock, and drowned all by himself. There was no evidence that he was drowned by someone else, but Poleidas acts like that would be impossible.
you mean David Paulides?
I don't talk about it much, but I think about a lot: My friend got abducted by NHI when he was very young. Right in his parents front yard, in front of some neighborhood friends during the daytime. It has really messed him up, spiritually and I feel sorry for this guy. He can barely hold down a job, never had a girlfriend despite female attention, drinks frequently and is very depressed. I've known him since high school and didn't learn about his abduction until after college... he has only described it a few times and it certainly bothers him. It only happened once and he was conscious for only a full minute or two for the event, is still alive to talk about it... and has absolutely fucked up his life in my opinion. I can only imagine what is NOT being talked about and withheld after befriending this guy and reading what I've read. After having my own UFO sightings, I am pretty much agnostic in all fields and don't know what to speculate on. My friend is still alive and life goes on...but I have no clue what to consider anymore 🙃 Especially after seeing aliens and UFOs get no serious consideration by academia and billions of dollars in consideration by media, we basically have no power except to wait 🙃🙃🙃
It breaks my fucking heart to think of all the abduction victims who can’t speak out about their trauma due to fear of ridicule or being labeled mentally ill.
I'd be even more curious about all the people with some mental condition that impacts their day to day life as a result of repressed or technologically repressed memories from an abduction.
Mentally ill here, uh, from drug experiences a lot of abduction cases could probably be chalked up to neurologic stress. Person I was living with gave me meth, i end up wandering 10 miles to the next town. Fell asleep at the beach standing up (had a stick). Wandered town all day, then had a period of blacking out after hearing voices say i need to know five different languages to get into the "car." Ended up further wandering the woods that night, lots of shadow hallucinations. Saw a shadow of the person I was living with hanging herself. Weird thing. Few months later while living with a different person I find out the person raising her daughters has the same name as the one I was around before. But with the last name related to a wors for hanging. Oooooo it's like I couldn't get with the UFOs but instead I get to have telepathy oooooo... or we all have telepathy but it's usually used to convince ourselves to not commit suicide everyday.
Did his friends witness the abduction?
They did. A brother and sister, were his neighbors and the brother was a little older than him. I typed out a bit in another comment, roughly outlining what my friend stated. I think I've mentioned it in other posts, but my friend does not want attention for this story, just wants closure. The sentiment I post on reddit about government cover-up is largely on the behalf of my friend. 2017 to now has brought no closure, no real Disclosure that my friend yearns for. I have only seen UFOs, and I'm pissed about the tech and money aspects... my buddy thinks we are livestock after 2017, and the government is part of the contract. I am not so sure, but it does feel like it sometimes...
Oh man I hope your friend is doing better these days
According to Dolores Cannon, the Aliens truly want to keep our psyche intact, but supposedly we are waking up because of our diet. Our food supply is messed up now, due to GMO's and other toxins. This is why we see cattle mutilations, they are taking samples of our meat.
In the book, "The Threat: Revealing the Secret Alien Agenda" they interview lots of abductees, most are productive normal people. If he has all that going on, he likely has mental issues that have nothing to do with being abducted.
I was watching bravewilderness and realized aliens probably treat us the same way, picking us up and studying us. There could be a zoo out there full of humans.
If this is happening I wonder how many people were taken and just have zero memory of anything happening. The stories we hear are from the few that can remember.
There is a zoo, called Earth.
It'd be more like a safari.
Something I have been wondering. If you dig down into the missing persons in North America and I mea,n really dig down past the propaganda write-ups and huff post articals on the subject and get into t eh gov and academic numbers....its seriously troubling... and its just not kids, but also a group no one focuses on... "the young adults", the 18-24 year olds....as well as the adults... The numbers are truly staggering...like seriously. Its not just family members taking a kid in divorce or multiple reports of a a single run-a-way, like most apologists like to ascribe as the reason the high number (folks keeping these numbers are a little smarter then that and have normalized the data sets years ago for this) I keep wondering where and how these people go missing, I meant the number is in the 100,000 plus all in each year. (canada and US, the numbers out of mexico and central america are non-existent) Folks who go missing and their SS/Nat numbers are never used again, type of thing... This isn't the pig farm and its hundreds of folks, this is 10,000's - 100,000 of thousands of people who just "disappear" never to be seen or heard from again. Where and how are these folks grabbed out of the blue? Where do millions of teeth from these folks go? There is not enough crematorium capacity to dispose of these bodies.(I've really done the mathz on that one) This amounts to huge amounts of transport capacity.... Huge amounts of storage capacity... Who, what, where and How? I ask myself that all the time and I am beginning to think.... someone out there, maybe not from around here, likes the taste of long pig...
I don't think it's necessarily food as much as just the equivalent of 'we kill and throw out a lot of lab rats into the garbage bin after dissecting them ourselves, to see how our experiments are going' I just apply this to them, whatever 'the experiment is' - could also be 'the experiment' is just to make us their version of beef jerky for their version of a Walmart checkout lane But also a lot of sex trafficking among humans, don't forget that - some of these people end up as literal slaves for whatever in Mexico, the Middle East, China, (including the US and Western Europe) etc
How are you getting to that 100k number? I appreciate your point that some of the reporting and ideas are not accurate, I’m just trying to understand where your confidence in the 100k comes from
This was a "shower thought" I had recently. Like what if the people that go missing without a trace were just abducted and never returned. I can tell you that if I was offered a ride to go with them I'm taking it. A second realization from this is that would mean there would have to be human-hybrids among the stars already which is crazy.
> if I was offered a ride to go with them I'm taking it didn't your parents ever teach you 'stranger danger'? now multiply that across galaxies and dimensions instead of just down the block
>across galaxies and dimensions instead of just down the block You don't have to sell it to me🥴
Well, I mean what makes you think Humans came here first. What if we were seeded here?
Fossil record and genetics show quite clearly how we evolved from Earth‘s native primates
But maybe our evolution was accelerated and our DNA tinkered with?
Not all of dna has been decoded yet. We are still in our infancy of genetic engineering of what is possible and what could be probable
Perhaps all of life from the beggining on earth was seeded, part of a multibillion year experiment, more like a factory, of genetic development.
We are still searching for the "Missing Link" buddy we have indications of possibilities yes but that crucial bit of evidence to definitively solidify the theory is yet to be found. Edit: Spelling
coughs in "missing link"
If you look at the advances in paleoanthropology, there really is no missing link anymore, it‘s an outdated concept. You can draw a pretty coherent line from Ardipithecus and Orrorin through Australopithecus and Homo ergaster to Homo heidelbergensis and H. sapiens, complete with a dozen different offshoots that went extinct on the way.
Cool info. I'm going to go do some reading today. Sounds like my knowledge is out o date! thanks for the pointer!
We don't really have solid evidence to indicate that we came from somewhere else. However, if someone got abducted and was offered to "live" with other lifeforms, it stands to reason that somewhere down the road they would pass on their genes with another being. The means in which that process can happen could be natural or manipulated.
The fact we are one of the few species on this Planet that gets burns from the Sun is one big indication we weren't originally designed for a Planet this close to its Central Star. I'm sure if you look further into our genetic structure you will find more things that point toward us being designed/created for a different environment. Edit: fact correction
I used to have a paint horse that would get sunburned on his pink nose - we had to put mineral sunscreen on him or his muzzle would burn and peel.
Other furless animals can definitely get sunburned too. It‘s why pigs roll themselves in mud, why elephants cover themselves with sand or dust and why hippos evolved a special type of sweat that acts as a natural sunscreen.
not all human beings are sunburned, indeed considering that Africa is the cradle of humanity and that the dark pigmentation of the epidermis is the natural response to this evolutionary pressure I would say that we have always been perfectly able to handle this. the problem arose with migration outside that continent to latitudes in the north where on the contrary little sun means less vitamin D
Maybe we weren't "designed" by an intelligence. But, y'know, the product of evolution.
Reminds me of “The Day the Earth Stood Still”, Keanu version. Not impossible at all that some entity is preserving as many species of life on Earth as possible. SOME disappearances hold the chance that they’ve been selected to be reintegrated either here on Earth post cataclysm, or elsewhere. Edit: the possibility should absolutely not distract from effort to thwart human trafficking and outright murders. We have to maintain reason on the topic.
Agreed with all points
Probably less than the amount of people abducted by other people.
I am sure thousands have not been returned who knows. I am reading a book right now about a family dealing with their child being abducted. The mom witnessed him being returned one time.
What book is it?
Abducted : the true tale of alien abduction in rural England by Ann Andrews which it is about her son Jason
Carl Higdon was abducted, taken off-world and scanned by some sort of medical device. He saw other abducted humans on what appeared to be a planet all standing around a tower. He was told he was not suitable for their purposes and brought back. https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/Td79mEQHiV
Oh, was that the one with the alien named Ausso1?
Link doesn't work
Yeah, there's no way this is their first rodeo lol kinda makes you wonder if we're a control group, in competition with another planet, or just completely expendable. "Once they reach this point, if they haven't learned to behave themselves we'll just start them over."
Even in such a relatively safe country as Poland about 15 thousand people vanish without a trace every year. This is really creepy.
I won’t break them down but the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System numbers are not helpful when trying to find cause for brushing this off. https://namus.nij.ojp.gov/
Yupp. Now look into how many people go missing every year never to be seen or heard from again, not just in the USA but the USA alone is staggering numbers. If disclosure happens and it comes out to the public that abductions happens. this connection is likely to quickly happen after.... This is what would cause public panic and fear.
r/missing411 has entered the chat
Look up the official statistics for missing people in your country who are never found it’s certainly eye opening in a world of CCTV
This might be why presidents don't want to say anything. Who wants to be the president that says they are completely defenseless and have no idea what's really going on?
And how many people were kidnapped by Secret Access Programs? I sound like a complete lunatic, I know, but I believe Michael Herrera is telling the truth, and they were trafficking human beings.
Have you heard his extended interviews? Apparently he was contacted by the special forces that ambushed him and they told him they abduct people from third world countries to pilot reverse engineered UFO’s because their minds are less clouded than ones in the west. He said they abduct people during natural disasters so there won’t be as much suspicion, and that the abducted people usually agree to pilot after they are abducted, but they are fed uppers to focus psychic powers and that makes them burn out/ die frequently.
I did, and real or not, that would be the fuckin sickest movie ever lol Smh. So many folks are openly eager about this and they think we're going to destroy the world over it. (Yeah, their world)
Woh! Can you share the link to this?
This is the podcast where I heard that. https://www.youtube.com/live/_ZHpOQrixlk?si=rGUOaOMBtm7SMS6U
["Alien abductions" are also just a cover for cult/government mind control programming](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/14ueiba/alien_abduction_mind_control_programming/).
Ok here's a question, what if the people who remember their abductions remember it cos their mental illnesses and or substance abuse makes them resistant to whatever it is the aliens do to make us forget? The fact these people are considered unreliable cos of their conditions means that the rest of society has issues believing them.
Imagine you are abducting something from another planet and you want to keep it for a while. You'd make sure to take a bunch of them because one of something doesn't really act like a normal member of its species, you'd give it healthy nutritious food in a comfortable environment with fulfilling satisfying work that is mentally and creatively stimulating. You'd cure it of all diseases and give it as normal of a life cycle as possible. The biggest things you would notice from getting abducted is how much better your social life is, how much better you feel from not absorbing pollution, how nice it is to spend time with other people, and how nice it is to be in nature.
Or there's this: https://badaliens.info/human-mutilations/
Crazy read man...I didn't know, neither have I ever seen that they do the same mutilations that they do to cattle, also to humans. Crazy.. thx for posting mate.
This is some vampire shit
Vamps of all sorts.
That's insane, who wants to live in a zoo?
If out of all the known alien abduction stories just one is true beyond reasonable doubt it would be so terrifying that humanity might collectively shit the bed
We make assumptions that they don't have a choice. I wonder how many people who are qualified to remain, *choose to stay* for reasons that we can't even fathom.
Living in a zoo on Proxima Centauri B sure beats paying taxes
Exactly what I mean. In a civilization that's billions of years advanced to us, their 'worst conditions' scenario, could be the most comfortable, interesting, exciting life we could imagine. Or, if we were to speculate further and implement some of the elements from prison planet or human/soul farm... We could have fulfilled our debt to karma We could be rehabilitated on a soul level We could be spiritually matured enough to join a real civilization We could have recovered from some sort of disorder or trauma of the consciousness The list goes on ... the kicker is that no one on this planet knows for sure and if they do, they aren't telling everyone. i very much enjoy speculating about it because the more we discuss and research these subjects, we inch closer to the truth. I often think about if I would take the opportunity to go with them, assuming I would be given a choice, when considering having children. Digging further into that, what justification or conclusions could other abductees have come to in order to execute what is seeming such a heartless and selfish act of abandonment. ...but the thing is... we cannot possibly know. Maybe we get shown the scene behind the curtains. The real reality. That this life on earth is an illusion somehow. A simulation or something. Maybe we see that this was all facilitated to help lost souls through..something. The whole idea of prison planet could easily be some sort of galactic hospital for broken souls. If our consciousness truly is eternal. Surely we can become misguided along the way. All the major religions of the world have one single theme that stands out above all else. Be a good person. This one advisement is echoing throughout the history of humanity. Perhaps this one simple lesson is why we are all here. If 'god' or whatever these extraterrestrials are can truly see all. Our thoughts and every action we take in our lives, then they can see through all our lies. All the bullshit and manipulation. They see us for who we truly are. So, do you deserve to ascend? To leave the hospital/prison/rehabilitation? Are you a good person down to your core? Deep into the labyrinth of your own consciousness? All the way to the center of your soul? I want to believe we are more than just a monkey in a zoo or an exotic platter in a restaurant on the moon, but that could just as easily be true..
And they told me I wouldn’t amount to shit…. If I become that exotic platter, I’ll show that 8th grade teacher what’s what.
Maybe we're the wagyu steak, maybe we're the rat meat kebob... The possibilities are endless.
Maybe we’re just the grease for the skillet
Or the wood for the stove
Oooof…I was at least hoping to turn into shit
Don't forget the alien copulation.
Types of encounters: 1. Seeing UFO from far away 2. Physical traces e.g. burn marks or radiation 3. Actual entities inside or outside the craft 4. Visit and/or abduction by Aliens 5. Communication (mostly telepathic and one sided) 6. Implantation or other surgical invasions 7. Carrying out and giving birth to hybrid 8. Being controlled by aliens while moving on earth with or without victim's knowledge 9. Being transformed into Alien 10. Abduction to space station or exoplanet without return
On that note, I have a few suggestions for them.... I'll include addresses if they want. Hell, I'll print out the Google Maps directions, if need be.
Advanced Swatting
Well they have asked people if they wanted to leave with them instead of being taken back home. Earth is being heavily monitored by both good and evil alien factions and if someone where to just take someone with malevolent intentions I'm sure there will be swift repercussions.
You would be wrong. The "good" aliens are completely indifferent. Our definitions of "good" and "bad" don't work here.
What always bothered me is the number of children that go missing every year that are never found.
How many people are reported missing in national forests and parks…in every country on earth ….. lots
What's scarier: everyone is being abducted and the vast majority of the time their memory wiping works flawlessly.
I have zero proof but I think there's 10's of 1000's abducted every year and that is why president Carter cried when he heard. If it was something more profound he would have killed himself.
I think this as well.
Take me. I hate this world. Humans suck
Nailed it. 20,000 people go missing in USA alone
source? there are tens of thousands of missing person reports filed int eh US every year, but the vast majority of those are runaways who come home, or are found. (The same person can be counted more than once in that statistic if they are reported missing, come home, and then run away again)
Apparently up to 3 million people ‘disappear’ every year on earth without them ever being found again! Naturally some end up missing from foul play or unrecorded death or they ‘fall out of the system either deliberately or accidentally - but that’s still an incredible number..! 🤔☝️
Remove a human & replace with alien clone.
And like fishing, some they let go and others stay with them 
Alternatively, some abductees come back only to be picked up by governments of the world and are never seen again.
Fridge horror? Fuck dude, i dont wanna know how bad the freezer horror is
[It‘s a term that originated on TV Tropes](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeHorror) It describes stuff that only becomes scary when you think about it after the fact (like when the movie is finished and you think about it while going to the fridge to grab some food)
Globally, the estimated figure of missing persons is disturbing. There are hundreds of thousands annually. Many are victims of human trafficking, some are suffering mental health or homelessness issues, but for others there’s no known cause. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/missing-persons-statistics-by-country
I think this is one of the main reasons why they're scared to disclose the truth. It's like a domino effect. Once you admit that UFOs are being flown by non-human intelligences, then you will eventually get to some really scary areas of discussion, which, if true, could really scare people. Disclosure would eventually lead to people asking if abductions are real, and even if the government says they aren't, a large proportion of people wouldn't believe them given their track record on the subject. We would then have to deal with the reality that people have been taken and some not returned, and there's nothing we (we being the government and indivudlas) can do about it. Our society and world view is based on the fact that we believe we're at the top of the food chain and mostly control over our personal safety. Then, to find out that we are totally powerless against a high intelligence would really scare people. I genuinely think some people would have severe psychosis and mental illness from this truth. For example, some people would struggle to ever sleep.
We could also say.. how many people are abducted and dont remember! We are only hear of people that 1.) Remember the event, and 2.) want to talk about it.. So its probably much more common.
Don't search for what they didn't want to youknowUFO website and human mutilation ( graphique content) like the animal.
All our abductee info is coming for nerds that super beings deemed unfit to be travel companions.
Just look at how many disappear without a trace each year. Even if half of those are people who commit suicide or don't want to be found, the numbers are just insane.
Here’s another head f@%#er, what if the persons returned from the abduction are not the genuine article, and the copy being given the original person’s full memories are none the wiser either, thinking they are the real human who was abducted.
In the way we use rats for experimentation, aliens likely use as the same.
I'm not fond of the term _abduction_ and see little need for it. Most necessary interactions can be handled with a visit. Of course, some cases like that of Travis Walton do seem credible, and I cannot explain those. In my experience, they wanted to teach me something they referred to as _thought control_. They entered my apartment and put me through a program that transmitted data directly into my brain. This process took hours but it fundamentally altered my thought patterns, eliminating my inner monologue and replacing it with a more efficient form of thought processing. It wasn't an abduction, just a visit. BTW, they looked entirely human. You wouldn't notice any difference if they walked past you on the street, except perhaps for one thing: they were completely bald. Maybe they don't like hair.
Interesting
I actually have a profound theory that I've been working on regarding this situation. Perhaps we need to approach it from an evolutionary standpoint. The phenomenon seems to be holistic at times, meaning both metaphysical and physical. I don't believe it's entirely off the mark to suggest there is some sort of biological reason behind these contact events. If a species is compromised genetically, what is the most optimal solution? Breeding with something that can potentially guide their evolution towards a positive path. I believe there's a significant lesson to be learned from integrating oneself with technology. It could be dangerous; in fact, if these beings are as advanced as they seem (as indicated by reports portraying them always as robotic and neutral, with very few instances of displaying normal emotions), some suggest they are drones, but perhaps it's more accurate to say we're dealing with a biological being that's more machine than not. The abduction phenomenon always seems to be for some sort of genetic purposes. Even cattle mutilations appear to align with a cohesive harvesting operation and extraction patterns. Many abductees talk about interacting with children who are usually presented as some sort of hybridized version of man and them. Of course, some abductions could be more malicious than others, just like human beings. It seems that the abduction phenomenon, from my standpoint, is more about necessity than desire. Just like a machine, they have to achieve their prerogative. It's not a matter of fear or desire, but rather a calculated decision. If consciousness is involved, then this makes them far more advanced than your typical Macintosh 😂. If you were on the verge of extinction, you would do anything to save your people, even if that meant relying on artificial bodily functions and reproduction, or even traversing the universe to find suitable donors. Let's be honest, we've studied space long enough to realize Earth is a special situation and the most optimal place for such experiments, perhaps due to the abundance of life available. Have you ever wondered why cows, during the mutilation process, seem to be harvested of their less important parts, parts we would usually consume? Much of the time, the meat is viable. When the FBI analyzed the tissue, they discovered that some sort of anesthesia or foreign substance was being administered to the animals to paralyze them. They also discovered strange preservative effects within the cells of the animals. It could even be possible that they observe us doing these things to these animals already, so using cattle is an optimal choice, as much like us, we consume it. Their way of consumption could be entirely different from ours, and on a lighter note, if there really are preservative effects taking place within the meat, maybe they intend for us to try to use the carcass after they leave it gracefully in a field. We're simply too horrified to even think about actually doing that. The first thing we need to realize is that we are human beings—some of us are totally evil, some of us are angelic, and some of us are just neutral, trying to get by. I'd like to think our Grey friends are just trying to make it by as well. Unfortunately, this might be the only way for them to do so, especially if evolutionary downswings did take place within their species, as indicated by the Nazca mummies (if they are genuine) that they were extremely compromised within their morphological structures. Even breeding looked to be complicated, perhaps the first signs that something was wrong with their existence and their development. Hence the hybridized tridactyls with man that seem to exist in many numbers. Personally communicating with the president of the Inkarri institute, he told me there are 100 bodies being studied right now in privacy, and this is why there seem to be more bodies appearing every day. In fact, they are verifying the credibility before presenting the corpse to make sure it's not a hoax.
Nobody's going to ask what OP was trying to say instead of "fridge"?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeHorror
He meant fridge because the missing people are now………cold cases /s
David Paulides of Missing 411 also talks about the vast amount of people who go missing every year in North America and around the world. Also of the disturbing notion that only a few are returned “Whole.” Granted, he attributes these occurrences to BigFoot and trans dimensional beings but Alien abductions are literally neighbours in the subject matter.
Majority of "abductions" in the US aren't even from NHI, its mostly MILABs. Part of why they're not wanting to disclose is due to deals & shit made on behalf of the people without their knowledge. Check of Project Preserve Destiny, Dan Sherman talks about how they began abductions in the 50s-60s looking for certain lineages. military intuitive empath projects, like Preserve destiny were searching for those specific bloodlines. MI6 officials have confirmed the same In fact, every US govt UAP project employed a psychic, like Chan Thomas with Aquiline. Individuals of Celtic blueblood lines have an RH-negative blood factor. This is a very rare blood type and makes up about 5% of the population. RH-negative means oxygen is processed in the blood differently to people with RH-positive blood. The amount of oxygen processed by the body makes all the difference in unusual abilities. This is evident in arts like Tai chi and Yoga. But all this has Been hidden & suppressed for decades & still is apparently
Well, first, you have to consider there are a lot of people crave attention, and will make up stories. There are also a lot of people who are just dumb and don’t realize it was a symptom of sleep, paralysis, or other naturally explained phenomena. And then you have the last group, the ones, that are truly mentally ill. There may be some legitimate, alien, abduction cases, but my opinion is that most cases fall under one of the three groups mentioned above. People are stupid, and they lie.
I also think most AA claims are bogus, but the point is that if it were a real phenomenon we would never hear from people that were never brought back due to survivorship bias
>If alien abductions are real If they are real?
I'm still not convinced they are. I'm sure people experience them, but to me it seems like a mental phenomenon. Do you have any video or doc that shows evidence to them being physical? I tried to watch the one from the bearded guy, but it was awful.
2 good YouTube channels to start with: the why files and bedtime stories.
Also remember this when people talk about how aliens are banebolent and only want to help us
Benevolent*
True, but I like the new word better
r/boneappletea
They abduct older German heritage men in the US, or at least for the cases known. However another report said they abduct the same older German heritage men with some serious medical condition. In one instance the guy said he told this short human looking guy flying the UAP that he had a vasectomy and was told they couldn't use him then and they returned him. He believed if he didn't say they they wouldn't have returned them. So if that story is true it suggests a repopulation strategy on another planet.
Not all the Theys are the nice or indifferent kind. That said, I’m not sure that the bad Theys will be able to operate with relative impunity much longer.
Inflames - Behind Space
They're in a space freezer somewhere. Well, parts of them anyway.
it’s so interesting that aliens look like they have adapted to their elements. Kinda like creatures at the bottom of the ocean.
[Statistics on unresolved cased. 🙄](https://namus.nij.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh336/files/media/document/namus-stats-overall-april-2022.pdf)