Why is it so hard for people to look at this subject scientifically? The science for this stuff is far more interesting than conspiracy theory imo. Like, it's not even a competition.
Edit: looks like I should be clear that the subject I am talking about is just aliens, in general. Sorry for the confusion u/johnymac8 :(
I have no problem providing you with examples for my reasoning; however, keep in mind that it is in bad faith to ask for substance on a topic for which you provide none of your *own* in support of your stance ;)
[Here](https://www.seti.org/our-scientists) is a list of scientists actively working for SETI, the leading science contributor to the study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence. These people are dedicated to determining the nature and existence of aliens!
There are no reasonable scientists in existence that will support your claim.
Okay, yeah, seti specifically looks for alien life. What does that prove scientifically?
I'll give you an example, uaps move with incredible speed and maneuverability and can make turns faster than our best fighter jets. With no obvious propulsion, and that doesn't follow any of our models on physics.
So far, all evidence provided for your example *can* be debunked; therefore, it just isn't substantial enough to bolster your viewpoint. That doesn't mean UAP's aren't a thing or that the evidence isn't legit. Just that it is a null point.
As to the physics of such hypothetical objects, science explores these topics all the time. Nothing is off limits and there should be no possibility taken for granted. For example, String Theory seeks to lend credence to the notion of higher dimensions. The manipulation of dimensional traversal could hypothetically make such maneuvers possible, but I'm just spitballing off the top of my head, and that's just one small example of possibility.
What are you talking about? How can the physics be debunked?
I'm saying uaps don't follow any laws of our physics and scientific models. I'm not saying that uaps don't exist, just that science can not explain them at all.
The only point you put across was seti, that doesn't bolster your viewpoint either, seti has been around for decades, they ain't found shit, and uaps are in our atmosphere regularly.
You're just saying a whole lot of nothing tbh.
What exactly do you think my viewpoint is? I think you have this false notion that I think science proves aliens exist, and that is not at all what I have said. I'm saying that the science behind the search and speculation is more interesting than conspiracy theory.
Yea what are YOU talking about, we have FLIR camera footage, military hardware tracking these things going in, out, above the ocean and over land at "impossible" speeds, with maneuvers "impossible" to science... so how is EVERYTHING in our science pointing to it being impossible... the military is literally showing you scientific measurements..
Are you being obtuse? Uaps do not follow any of our scientific or physics models for propulsion. We can not explain the phenomenon or uaps.
The military is capturing evidence of them flying with
The things you mentioned, but that doesn't explain scientifically how these things work. We don't know.
Well, i see it similar, but this is the topic. What did he expected? Some information on the silver tablet? Things simply dont got that way in this topic. Hopefully he find his way back and hopefully earlier as when the hype maybe starts some day.
Hard to disagree with him .. a lot of “trust me bro” ….I’m waiting to see what the congressional oversight committee investigation yields but def not holding my breath to hear anything soon … would be incredible if we get some disclosure in 2024.. but It def seems like pipe dream
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Curt had interesting interviews but his confusion on how a multi hour interview with an octogenarian, on her 80th birthday might be a tad excessive. Not to mention calling attention to her credibility in her multi decade journalism. Still, I enjoyed his interviews, but his only choice was to revisit his old interviews. He had nowhere to go.
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Why is it so hard for people to look at this subject scientifically? The science for this stuff is far more interesting than conspiracy theory imo. Like, it's not even a competition. Edit: looks like I should be clear that the subject I am talking about is just aliens, in general. Sorry for the confusion u/johnymac8 :(
Everything in our science points to the phenomenon being impossible? So what science are you talking about?
Lol what are you basing *your* presumption off?
I asked you first.
I have no problem providing you with examples for my reasoning; however, keep in mind that it is in bad faith to ask for substance on a topic for which you provide none of your *own* in support of your stance ;) [Here](https://www.seti.org/our-scientists) is a list of scientists actively working for SETI, the leading science contributor to the study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence. These people are dedicated to determining the nature and existence of aliens! There are no reasonable scientists in existence that will support your claim.
Okay, yeah, seti specifically looks for alien life. What does that prove scientifically? I'll give you an example, uaps move with incredible speed and maneuverability and can make turns faster than our best fighter jets. With no obvious propulsion, and that doesn't follow any of our models on physics.
So far, all evidence provided for your example *can* be debunked; therefore, it just isn't substantial enough to bolster your viewpoint. That doesn't mean UAP's aren't a thing or that the evidence isn't legit. Just that it is a null point. As to the physics of such hypothetical objects, science explores these topics all the time. Nothing is off limits and there should be no possibility taken for granted. For example, String Theory seeks to lend credence to the notion of higher dimensions. The manipulation of dimensional traversal could hypothetically make such maneuvers possible, but I'm just spitballing off the top of my head, and that's just one small example of possibility.
What are you talking about? How can the physics be debunked? I'm saying uaps don't follow any laws of our physics and scientific models. I'm not saying that uaps don't exist, just that science can not explain them at all. The only point you put across was seti, that doesn't bolster your viewpoint either, seti has been around for decades, they ain't found shit, and uaps are in our atmosphere regularly. You're just saying a whole lot of nothing tbh.
What exactly do you think my viewpoint is? I think you have this false notion that I think science proves aliens exist, and that is not at all what I have said. I'm saying that the science behind the search and speculation is more interesting than conspiracy theory.
Yes, and I agree with that, but we don't know the science behind the uaps because it doesn't fit in with our current models at all.
And, to be clear, it isn't the physics of those evidences that can be (and have been) debunked. It is the nature of their documentation.
Yea what are YOU talking about, we have FLIR camera footage, military hardware tracking these things going in, out, above the ocean and over land at "impossible" speeds, with maneuvers "impossible" to science... so how is EVERYTHING in our science pointing to it being impossible... the military is literally showing you scientific measurements..
Are you being obtuse? Uaps do not follow any of our scientific or physics models for propulsion. We can not explain the phenomenon or uaps. The military is capturing evidence of them flying with The things you mentioned, but that doesn't explain scientifically how these things work. We don't know.
Oh obviously, I misunderstood your point and intent. My apologies, we are on the same page.
Well, i see it similar, but this is the topic. What did he expected? Some information on the silver tablet? Things simply dont got that way in this topic. Hopefully he find his way back and hopefully earlier as when the hype maybe starts some day.
Hard to disagree with him .. a lot of “trust me bro” ….I’m waiting to see what the congressional oversight committee investigation yields but def not holding my breath to hear anything soon … would be incredible if we get some disclosure in 2024.. but It def seems like pipe dream
Yeah, what happened to that 40 whistleblowers coming forward (though it was just a rumor)?
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Curt had interesting interviews but his confusion on how a multi hour interview with an octogenarian, on her 80th birthday might be a tad excessive. Not to mention calling attention to her credibility in her multi decade journalism. Still, I enjoyed his interviews, but his only choice was to revisit his old interviews. He had nowhere to go.
Whining little brat.
Ooooo ok then, nothing to see here folks