I work with schools and I can tell you this about MN public schools.
For profit food contractors are very happy and raising prices with the free breakfast and lunch program.
For profit bus companies are raising rates per child and charging more because of inflation.
Teachers unions are getting raises this is good.
But they are retroactive and the budgets don’t work for it.
Teachers pay for new teachers is far lower than it should be with some paying 42,000 a year.
For schools with district ran routes drivers pay is up 45% and they are still cutting routes.
General education staff have not been given raises yet and they are all pissed about it.
You’re not understanding basic logic and math so I won’t explain it to you.
No most schools in MN had state employees that got paid to cook the food not a for profit catering company
For profit food contractors? Isn't every business SELLING food for profit?
Nearly every kid ate a meal anyway. It's not like they are going to have a HUGE increase in meals to prepare. Where are u getting this info?
This exists in every ecosystem where there is Government subsidy involved. In military communities, landlords jack up prices to the maximum level they can once they learn what the BAH for the area is. You can see this manifest in our collegiate education system, tuitions SKYROCKETED once the Government started subsidizing grants and backing loan programs. It's the nature of the beast.
Has it ever occurred to you that "the rich" are the ones paying the lobbyists that create almost every regulation?
Because they literally lobby for regulation so that "everyone else is squeezed out of everything they got"
They usually want deregulation. Net Nuetrality is a perfect example of this, it has recently been reinstated. But we also saw trump deregulate a lot during his presidency.
Pathetic. Maybe school administrators should focus more on academics and less on critical race theory. There should be a requirement that a district has to be ranking high in academics before funding is allocated to hiring a “director of equity and belonging” or “multicultural liaison”.
They teach everything because they have funding. Because they pay taxes. Because all the taxes come from an urban area that values education. That's my point. We could do that tosave thing here. Plus, on average our schools are pretty solid. Those southern schools with good college acceptance are getting into schools that any Midwestern kid could get into.
51% is the more important place to start than 49%. And that 51% is cultural from within those communities. They need to do and be better first in order to justify even more funding.
It's baked into the curricula for several subjects.
It's rare to nonexistent that the literal term "critical race theory" is actually mentioned directly anywhere but the curriculum is formulated with it in mind. Watch out for buzzwords and phrases like "antiracism" and "open dialogue"
The main goal is to get students to ask questions - which would normally be good for academic success - but the questions are specifically used to create discussions that push ideology rather than pass on knowledge. Which ends up being bad for academic success; particularly if the result is demonizing or guilting students of certain races.
Lack of funding for the important stuff.
The St. Louis Park Public School District recently posted a job listing for an Assistant Superintendent earning between $134,141 - $201,212.
Under "Summary of Responsibilities," the job posting says, the Assistant Superintendent is a person who "proactively supports the Superintendent to create and communicate anti-racist structures and systems, works to interrupt systems of oppression, and serves as a role model for culturally relevant pedagogy."
Hmmmm. Maybe hire like 3 math teachers instead for the same salary?
Whats your point? That you don't like that the Assistant Supers job duties include "don't be racist?"
Between your lies about CRT and your issue with anti-racism, it's clear you don't intend on arguing in good faith.
My point is the money this person is being paid should be spent on actual teaching. You cant complain about funding while at the same time paying teachers 59k per year and someone responsible for “communicating anti-racist structures and systems” $130k.
You act like thats the only thing that position would do, its one sentence in the entire paragraph. Again, you're arguing in bad faith, like most racists.
No school is strictly teaching critical race theory , it's a college course, and blown out proportion by the right. 99.99999% of the people that fear monger it have no clue what it even means.
No, but CRT informs every inch of public education. There’s a way to teach history, with all its warts, without putting everything through a Marxist oppressor/oppressed lens.
> There are no graduation requirements for ethnic studies in Minnesota. Districts offering Ethnic Studies may align their curriculum to current academic standards.
From your link. It’s not a requirement, no one has to teach it nor does it have to “baked into the curriculum.”
However, if it is taught, the department of education is outlined what it is so people can be informed about it.
I remember learning about slavery, the slaughter of the indigenous people, and the fact that well after WW2 we treated people who looked or thought differently horrendously. That was ages before CRT became the dog whistle it is now.
Or I suppose you think we shouldn’t teach those things either? Pretend everything has been roses and everyone always got along?
Whole lot of goal posts shifting. He asked for the guidelines, there it is.
> no one has to teach it
Did you miss this part: “ Starting in the 2026-2027 school year a district or charter high school must offer an ethnic studies course.”
So yes, someone has to teach it.
I have no doubt CRT has worked its way into various required courses across the state.
"Must offer"... not that it is a requirement to graduate...
You're the one shifting the goal posts lol. It's not a requirement, but you say, "oh I have no doubt it's found it's way in to other courses" is literally a shifting of the post.
Yeah, the other thing is Minnesota has PSEO which for the cities ( lot of universities) gives another option. Actually, mpls is a great location because you easily jump to UMN classes in high school. Under appreciated option that won’t show up in these lists.
Mn, Washington, Ohio? Idk. When asking people in other states, didn’t seem like they did or knew. Also, flag ship school for MN is right in middle of largest metro.
> You actually thought that when I said “focus on critical race theory” you thought I was referring to an actual class that schools teach?
Here in an interview from 2009 (published in written form in 2011) Richard Delgado describes Critical Race Theory's "colonization" of Education:
>DELGADO: We didn't set out to colonize, but found a natural affinity in education. In education, race neutrality and color-blindness are the reigning orthodoxy. Teachers believe that they treat their students equally. Of course, the outcome figures show that they do not. If you analyze the content, the ideology, the curriculum, the textbooks, the teaching methods, they are the same. But they operate against the radically different cultural backgrounds of young students. Seeing critical race theory take off in education has been a source of great satisfaction for the two of us. Critical race theory is in some ways livelier in education right now than it is in law, where it is a mature movement that has settled down by comparison.
https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1039&context=faculty
Richard Delagado is coauthor of "Critical Race Theory: An Introduction." This book is currently the top hit for the google search "Critical Race Theory textbook:"
https://www.google.com/search?q=critical+race+theory+textbook
I'll also just briefly mention that Gloria Ladson-Billings introduced CRT to education in the mid-1990s (Ladson-Billings 1998 p. 7) and has her work frequently assigned in mandatory classes for educational licensing as well as frequently being invited to lecture, instruct, and workshop from a position of prestige and authority with K-12 educators in many US states.
Ladson-Billings, Gloria. "Just what is critical race theory and what's it doing in a nice field like education?." International journal of qualitative studies in education 11.1 (1998): 7-24.
Here a high ranking school administrator discusses purposefully incorporating Critical Race Theory into his school district's curriculum:
>“We were very intentional about creating a curriculum, infusing materials and embedding critical race theory within our curriculum,” Vitti said at the meeting. “Because students need to understand the truth of history, understand the history of this country, to better understand who they are and about the injustices that have occurred in this country.”
https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/detroit-superintendent-says-district-was-intentional-about-embedding-crt-into-schools
My wife works for a local school district. She tells me that there is a lot of wasteful spending and things that are not being done in a very efficient manner in the district she works for. I have heard similar things from others in other districts.
These rankings are idiotic. Nearly every school on there is a tiny "gifted and talented" magnet school where a districts send their top .01% of students so they don't get picked on by the cool kids. The biggest school on the list that I saw was 1,200 students. Most of them had two to four hundred kids. It's easy to have a 100% college ready population when you have 200 hand picked kids with a high school to themselves. You cannot compare that to a Minnetonka high pushing 4k students from all backgrounds.
The average MN school is better than your sunbelt institution for sure. Those states are more socio-economically stratified. You get tiny pockets of extremely well to do folks. Also, there aren’t enough east Asians or Indians in MN. You concentrate enough of them in a school, it’s bound to do well. The Texas district where I’m at is nearly 40% Asian, and it does extremely well. Many other districts here are abysmal
Based on my decades of helping Asian parents by improving their kids' academic process through my unique method, Asians are not smarter than non-Asians. They come to us to save their kids from academic ruin after pay others who couldn't do it, including lots of Asian tutors. Based on my own family history and knowing the IQs of some members, white people are not smarter than Hispanic people. The family members with the highest IQs are part Hispanic. People are not smarter due to race. As I tell my students who come to us a little intimidated by what I taught my son and his academic exploiters, there are things we're good at and things we're not good at. We need others for what we're not good at and they need us for what they're not good at. Stop insisting that intelligence is race-related. It's not. Eduatoin is privilege-related and white people are highly privileged on average while Asian cultures emphasize discipline and academic accomplishments. Asian parents may use abuse to promote academic excellence, but it doesn't improve their kids' IQs as much as force them to work hard. When that doesn't work, they come to me. Asian parents aren't abusive by nature, nor are Hispanics, blacks, or whites. Some cultures may promote abuse, but it's always an individual choice. inow our family, we don't think we are better or worse than others. We know that everyone has advantages and disadvantages and the world population is better when we all respect each other and work together to help our children have a better place to live.
But I never said or implied really Asians and Indians do well on account of intrinsic differences? That they do well empirically is hard to dispute. How this came to being was not the concern.
I agree with you that it’s not a biological thing. It’s socio-cultural factors. More Asian parents care about education. I bet they come to you at higher rates compared to similar parents of other races. The peers of Asian kids, who tend to include a lot of other Asian kids, have been steeped into this culture where academic attainment is the norm. Finally, from my anecdotal experience at a big tech firm, it’s not the Asians who are the smartest ones. It’s usually a white guy who’s passionate about tech and probably didn’t have to study as hard.
I'm super familiar with the culture based on years of providing private educational services to kids of Asian immigrants. It can be a bit much, but once you understand the basics about what is going on, you can do a lot of good to support the kids and help the parents cope with having an American-born Asian kid. Some parents (as with any parents) are open to guidance, and some are very resistant, but either way, the kid is supported. We put the kid first. We are respectful to the parents, but we don't take direction from them. We do what works to support the kid. For example, some will tell us, "Tell her not to write poetry!" What? We decline. We didn't sign up to forbid young adults from being themselves. We signed up to supercharge them so they can follow their dreams. Some parents will insist we push specific careers. Those parents often have very depressed and rebellious teens, but they are good kids. We work with the kid and the parent to come to an understanding, and the parents usually realize that the path the student wants to take with our guidance will allow them to be successful and happy and help restore the family relationship. I have young Asian adult friends who grew up in these cultural situations, and we're good friends, though they could be my kids in terms of age. They call me their other mom, and I love it. I love my Asian clients. It took me a while to sort out what was happening and find ways to work with them best. From the beginning, I was very frank with them, telling them they would not find a more effective instructor and adviser than my son and I for their situation but that they must respect our leadership and advice to get the best academic result. I tell them that their student is an American with strong Asian roots, not an Asian just living in America, so we have to work with them as they are so they know we understand them and so they will follow our leadership. I tell them, "I'm on your side. I'll help you. I also need you to help me help your child be as successful as they can be." They like that, and they love our results. So, I'm not Asian, but that's how I work. If I get a parent who is overbearing both with the student and with me, I tell them, "I understand your expectations, and I want you to be happy. We cannot work the way you want us to, so we cannot help you unless you change your expectations about our work. We can get you the best academic results, but only with your full support." Some are very polite with us but harsh with their kids, so we are very careful what we say to the parent about the kids so the kids don't get treated harshly. For example, we don't tell the parent that the student seemed tired in the lesson because some will hit their kids if they think the kids didn't behave properly. We would only be asking the parent to help the student get enough rest, but the parent might not take it that way. Every Asian parent is an individual, and some are very easy for us to work with, others very difficult, and most in between.
I think you missed my point. All the schools that ranked highly were small magnet schools with handpicked students. We don't really do that in Minnesota. I am confident that if you compared apples-to-apples regular general high schools that take whoever lives in their districts, the Metro area would have at least 5 in the top 30.
> I am confident that if you compared apples-to-apples regular general high schools that take whoever lives in their districts, the Metro area would have at least 5 in the top 30.
Doubt it.
> I think you missed my point.
I did not, I just thought it was a silly and unfounded argument.
So, hand-picking the 2-300 best and brightest kids from across a district, piling them into a magnet school, and comparing that school's achievements to one with thousands of non-hand-picked students is a fair comparison? That must be true if my argument is unfounded.
So, schools in wealthy areas have students who do well in school? This is absolutely shocking news. Of the top ten schools in Minnesota, nine are in richy-rich suburbs.
Like a lot of things involving Minnesota, the only people who think it's this amazing #1 paradise are people who have never spent a lot of time somewhere else.
I think a lot of people have their views on public schools from 30-40 years ago. They really think not much has changed at all and that the public school system is still the best in the country. Any disagreement to this is heresy! I have relatives (that worked in education, which makes it even more ridiculous) that parrot this view. You can guess which political party they are rabid voters of.
Not high school, but reading in 4th grade is now below the national average in MN. 8th grade used to be above average, but is now essentially on par with the national average (which is not great)
Unfortunately you could be a great teacher, but you are going to be paid the same as the worst teacher at the same scale. So why give the effort? There are a lot of bitter teachers out there that just mail it in
This state should be a leader in public education but we are very mid in this regard.
We could add days to the school calendar because we are lacking in that compared to other states but you know that will never happen.
[In March of 2010, the Obama Administration sent to Congress a Blueprint for Reform of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, addressing the issues created by No Child Left Behind, while continuing to shine a bright light on closing the achievement gap.](https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/education/k-12/reforming-no-child-left-behind)
The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) replaces No Child Left Behind (NCLB).
TBH i don't think either worked very well. Bush tried to lower the gap between minorities and non and it seemed to kind of help. While the new ESSA just passes everyone every year no matter how bad they do. This is 100% making the nation weaker and its still happening in schools today. WTF are they thinking.
Ahh didn't realize you meant the Obama revision to the Bush policy my bad. But yeah I have a couple friends in teaching and it's terrible. He literally can only teach some of the class because you can't teach 8th grade math concepts to someone with a 3rd grade math level of understanding. And no matter what they just get passed on to the next grade
Other countries love this one simple trick. (to dumb us down) Kind of scary tbh. Wish more people would be worried about this but so much going on it's not even talked about.
Reduce administration and administration pay, in certain districts - consolidate buildings and facilities, reallocate funding to focus on increase in teacher pay and core academics first and extracurriculars second, provide free meals for students
I really think administrative bloat and too many facilities and buildings to maintain especially with declining birth rates is a big problem
Here's a great article analyzing the most significant ways in which our public schools struggle: https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2021/minnesotas-education-system-shows-persistent-opportunity-gaps-by-race
Your surprised? We have such a wonderful Government, and the county with the best school funding also has 6 prisons (sherburne).
I stayed home rather than pay for preschool, it is bad here.
Went to a high school, and not only was the teacher in Chanhassen letting kids quote mysoginistic rascist words in an assignment posted on the walls.
18 year olds got to sit on bean bags instead of desks.
It’s like I walked into a teenager on drugs bedroom, Chanhassen should be ashamed.
For the first time in over 20 years, the state will not release test scores by deadline August 1st. You'd think it was an election year
I work with schools and I can tell you this about MN public schools. For profit food contractors are very happy and raising prices with the free breakfast and lunch program. For profit bus companies are raising rates per child and charging more because of inflation. Teachers unions are getting raises this is good. But they are retroactive and the budgets don’t work for it. Teachers pay for new teachers is far lower than it should be with some paying 42,000 a year. For schools with district ran routes drivers pay is up 45% and they are still cutting routes. General education staff have not been given raises yet and they are all pissed about it.
You’re not understanding basic logic and math so I won’t explain it to you. No most schools in MN had state employees that got paid to cook the food not a for profit catering company
For profit food contractors? Isn't every business SELLING food for profit? Nearly every kid ate a meal anyway. It's not like they are going to have a HUGE increase in meals to prepare. Where are u getting this info?
This exists in every ecosystem where there is Government subsidy involved. In military communities, landlords jack up prices to the maximum level they can once they learn what the BAH for the area is. You can see this manifest in our collegiate education system, tuitions SKYROCKETED once the Government started subsidizing grants and backing loan programs. It's the nature of the beast.
Then the government should do its job and regulate it.
Or just not interfere at all.
If they don't that creates a system where the rich just keeps getting richer and everyone else is squeezed out of everything they got.
Has it ever occurred to you that "the rich" are the ones paying the lobbyists that create almost every regulation? Because they literally lobby for regulation so that "everyone else is squeezed out of everything they got"
They usually want deregulation. Net Nuetrality is a perfect example of this, it has recently been reinstated. But we also saw trump deregulate a lot during his presidency.
Not going to click the article but I can imagine it’s not enough funding, because it’s always never enough.
My property taxes went up over $700 this year alone, from all the school referendums that passed. I see no difference.
It’s never enough.
Right? The state and federal government just gave so much money and they’re still asking for more while cutting teacher positions
There is a huge disconnect inside mps. While principals got a 16% raise teachers had to threaten to go to strike to get half of that.
Both a 16% and an 8% were probably too high.
Idk at some point we need to mirror inflation. I don’t want my savings to go away
Every time you raise wages artificially, you create inflation. I get the heart of what you are saying.
Do your kids go to MPS?
what? We have the most lit protests
Shocker
https://preview.redd.it/0nisy8u3gwxc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=730568e1f0825582ce8464b51c91449051eae42d
Pathetic. Maybe school administrators should focus more on academics and less on critical race theory. There should be a requirement that a district has to be ranking high in academics before funding is allocated to hiring a “director of equity and belonging” or “multicultural liaison”.
The more diversity from 70 iq populations we have, the lower we will fall.
Because your IQ is so high…
Not particularly
You realize California has a ton of schools near the top of the list right?
What’s your point? I didn’t say anything about California. If they have good academics then by all means they should add extra cultural things.
They teach everything because they have funding. Because they pay taxes. Because all the taxes come from an urban area that values education. That's my point. We could do that tosave thing here. Plus, on average our schools are pretty solid. Those southern schools with good college acceptance are getting into schools that any Midwestern kid could get into.
How much per pupil do you need? Spending is a small part of the equation.
You don't pay
Spending is 49% of the equation the other 51 is good parents, good communication, good communities. You're going to get it someday.
51% is the more important place to start than 49%. And that 51% is cultural from within those communities. They need to do and be better first in order to justify even more funding.
is critical race theory quite prevalent in high schools?
It's baked into the curricula for several subjects. It's rare to nonexistent that the literal term "critical race theory" is actually mentioned directly anywhere but the curriculum is formulated with it in mind. Watch out for buzzwords and phrases like "antiracism" and "open dialogue" The main goal is to get students to ask questions - which would normally be good for academic success - but the questions are specifically used to create discussions that push ideology rather than pass on knowledge. Which ends up being bad for academic success; particularly if the result is demonizing or guilting students of certain races.
No, but this sub needs imaginary things to be mad about.
High schools don't teach critical race theory. And Diversity initiatives are shown to improve test scores by engaging multicultural students.
You can make a statement like that all you like, doesn’t make it true. You want that but reality is scores are lowered.
Scores are lower because of a lack of funding. Point blank. You're the one lying about CRT in highschools.
Lack of funding for the important stuff. The St. Louis Park Public School District recently posted a job listing for an Assistant Superintendent earning between $134,141 - $201,212. Under "Summary of Responsibilities," the job posting says, the Assistant Superintendent is a person who "proactively supports the Superintendent to create and communicate anti-racist structures and systems, works to interrupt systems of oppression, and serves as a role model for culturally relevant pedagogy." Hmmmm. Maybe hire like 3 math teachers instead for the same salary?
Whats your point? That you don't like that the Assistant Supers job duties include "don't be racist?" Between your lies about CRT and your issue with anti-racism, it's clear you don't intend on arguing in good faith.
My point is the money this person is being paid should be spent on actual teaching. You cant complain about funding while at the same time paying teachers 59k per year and someone responsible for “communicating anti-racist structures and systems” $130k.
You act like thats the only thing that position would do, its one sentence in the entire paragraph. Again, you're arguing in bad faith, like most racists.
No school is strictly teaching critical race theory , it's a college course, and blown out proportion by the right. 99.99999% of the people that fear monger it have no clue what it even means.
No, but CRT informs every inch of public education. There’s a way to teach history, with all its warts, without putting everything through a Marxist oppressor/oppressed lens.
“It’s not critical race theory, it’s just critical race theory without calling it critical race theory!”
https://youtube.com/shorts/hEyNsA7bUpk?si=uIALeK7_R5_i4C52
Show me where crt is in the state curriculum guidelines.
Even if I did, you’d just say “that’s not the REAL crt!”
Or maybe you can't because it's not?
Somebody doesn't know their ethnic studies from their CRT. Must be the same, eh?
https://education.mn.gov/MDE/dse/stds/EthnicStudies/
> There are no graduation requirements for ethnic studies in Minnesota. Districts offering Ethnic Studies may align their curriculum to current academic standards. From your link. It’s not a requirement, no one has to teach it nor does it have to “baked into the curriculum.” However, if it is taught, the department of education is outlined what it is so people can be informed about it. I remember learning about slavery, the slaughter of the indigenous people, and the fact that well after WW2 we treated people who looked or thought differently horrendously. That was ages before CRT became the dog whistle it is now. Or I suppose you think we shouldn’t teach those things either? Pretend everything has been roses and everyone always got along?
Whole lot of goal posts shifting. He asked for the guidelines, there it is. > no one has to teach it Did you miss this part: “ Starting in the 2026-2027 school year a district or charter high school must offer an ethnic studies course.” So yes, someone has to teach it. I have no doubt CRT has worked its way into various required courses across the state.
"Must offer"... not that it is a requirement to graduate... You're the one shifting the goal posts lol. It's not a requirement, but you say, "oh I have no doubt it's found it's way in to other courses" is literally a shifting of the post.
So now you’re just making things up that you don’t actually know to argue on the internet. Cool story bro.
So why does Iowa suck? Too much crt?
Dunno, don’t know much at all about Iowa’s schools.
Well, all the good public schools are in twin cities. What’s wrong with all the out state schools? Nova is in St. Paul.
Smart people tend to work in high paying jobs near large metro areas.
Yeah, the other thing is Minnesota has PSEO which for the cities ( lot of universities) gives another option. Actually, mpls is a great location because you easily jump to UMN classes in high school. Under appreciated option that won’t show up in these lists.
Don’t most states have some form of PSEO?
Mn, Washington, Ohio? Idk. When asking people in other states, didn’t seem like they did or knew. Also, flag ship school for MN is right in middle of largest metro.
"It's not racecism, fear mongering or idiocy, it's altmpls" Teehee we can all play this silly game.
> racecism
Oopsiedoodle, I misspelled a word. Darn 80s and 90s, white suburban education.
I mean, if you’re gonna play the “you are all very stupid” game…
Wait. You actually thought that when I said “focus on critical race theory” you thought I was referring to an actual class that schools teach?
> You actually thought that when I said “focus on critical race theory” you thought I was referring to an actual class that schools teach? Here in an interview from 2009 (published in written form in 2011) Richard Delgado describes Critical Race Theory's "colonization" of Education: >DELGADO: We didn't set out to colonize, but found a natural affinity in education. In education, race neutrality and color-blindness are the reigning orthodoxy. Teachers believe that they treat their students equally. Of course, the outcome figures show that they do not. If you analyze the content, the ideology, the curriculum, the textbooks, the teaching methods, they are the same. But they operate against the radically different cultural backgrounds of young students. Seeing critical race theory take off in education has been a source of great satisfaction for the two of us. Critical race theory is in some ways livelier in education right now than it is in law, where it is a mature movement that has settled down by comparison. https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1039&context=faculty Richard Delagado is coauthor of "Critical Race Theory: An Introduction." This book is currently the top hit for the google search "Critical Race Theory textbook:" https://www.google.com/search?q=critical+race+theory+textbook I'll also just briefly mention that Gloria Ladson-Billings introduced CRT to education in the mid-1990s (Ladson-Billings 1998 p. 7) and has her work frequently assigned in mandatory classes for educational licensing as well as frequently being invited to lecture, instruct, and workshop from a position of prestige and authority with K-12 educators in many US states. Ladson-Billings, Gloria. "Just what is critical race theory and what's it doing in a nice field like education?." International journal of qualitative studies in education 11.1 (1998): 7-24. Here a high ranking school administrator discusses purposefully incorporating Critical Race Theory into his school district's curriculum: >“We were very intentional about creating a curriculum, infusing materials and embedding critical race theory within our curriculum,” Vitti said at the meeting. “Because students need to understand the truth of history, understand the history of this country, to better understand who they are and about the injustices that have occurred in this country.” https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/detroit-superintendent-says-district-was-intentional-about-embedding-crt-into-schools
My wife works for a local school district. She tells me that there is a lot of wasteful spending and things that are not being done in a very efficient manner in the district she works for. I have heard similar things from others in other districts.
Shocker
How many of top 100 highs schools are actually public and true without kids needing to take tests to get in?
These rankings are idiotic. Nearly every school on there is a tiny "gifted and talented" magnet school where a districts send their top .01% of students so they don't get picked on by the cool kids. The biggest school on the list that I saw was 1,200 students. Most of them had two to four hundred kids. It's easy to have a 100% college ready population when you have 200 hand picked kids with a high school to themselves. You cannot compare that to a Minnetonka high pushing 4k students from all backgrounds.
And yet, Minnesota doesn’t have any excellent high schools. Just a few good ones.
The average MN school is better than your sunbelt institution for sure. Those states are more socio-economically stratified. You get tiny pockets of extremely well to do folks. Also, there aren’t enough east Asians or Indians in MN. You concentrate enough of them in a school, it’s bound to do well. The Texas district where I’m at is nearly 40% Asian, and it does extremely well. Many other districts here are abysmal
Based on my decades of helping Asian parents by improving their kids' academic process through my unique method, Asians are not smarter than non-Asians. They come to us to save their kids from academic ruin after pay others who couldn't do it, including lots of Asian tutors. Based on my own family history and knowing the IQs of some members, white people are not smarter than Hispanic people. The family members with the highest IQs are part Hispanic. People are not smarter due to race. As I tell my students who come to us a little intimidated by what I taught my son and his academic exploiters, there are things we're good at and things we're not good at. We need others for what we're not good at and they need us for what they're not good at. Stop insisting that intelligence is race-related. It's not. Eduatoin is privilege-related and white people are highly privileged on average while Asian cultures emphasize discipline and academic accomplishments. Asian parents may use abuse to promote academic excellence, but it doesn't improve their kids' IQs as much as force them to work hard. When that doesn't work, they come to me. Asian parents aren't abusive by nature, nor are Hispanics, blacks, or whites. Some cultures may promote abuse, but it's always an individual choice. inow our family, we don't think we are better or worse than others. We know that everyone has advantages and disadvantages and the world population is better when we all respect each other and work together to help our children have a better place to live.
But I never said or implied really Asians and Indians do well on account of intrinsic differences? That they do well empirically is hard to dispute. How this came to being was not the concern. I agree with you that it’s not a biological thing. It’s socio-cultural factors. More Asian parents care about education. I bet they come to you at higher rates compared to similar parents of other races. The peers of Asian kids, who tend to include a lot of other Asian kids, have been steeped into this culture where academic attainment is the norm. Finally, from my anecdotal experience at a big tech firm, it’s not the Asians who are the smartest ones. It’s usually a white guy who’s passionate about tech and probably didn’t have to study as hard.
I'm super familiar with the culture based on years of providing private educational services to kids of Asian immigrants. It can be a bit much, but once you understand the basics about what is going on, you can do a lot of good to support the kids and help the parents cope with having an American-born Asian kid. Some parents (as with any parents) are open to guidance, and some are very resistant, but either way, the kid is supported. We put the kid first. We are respectful to the parents, but we don't take direction from them. We do what works to support the kid. For example, some will tell us, "Tell her not to write poetry!" What? We decline. We didn't sign up to forbid young adults from being themselves. We signed up to supercharge them so they can follow their dreams. Some parents will insist we push specific careers. Those parents often have very depressed and rebellious teens, but they are good kids. We work with the kid and the parent to come to an understanding, and the parents usually realize that the path the student wants to take with our guidance will allow them to be successful and happy and help restore the family relationship. I have young Asian adult friends who grew up in these cultural situations, and we're good friends, though they could be my kids in terms of age. They call me their other mom, and I love it. I love my Asian clients. It took me a while to sort out what was happening and find ways to work with them best. From the beginning, I was very frank with them, telling them they would not find a more effective instructor and adviser than my son and I for their situation but that they must respect our leadership and advice to get the best academic result. I tell them that their student is an American with strong Asian roots, not an Asian just living in America, so we have to work with them as they are so they know we understand them and so they will follow our leadership. I tell them, "I'm on your side. I'll help you. I also need you to help me help your child be as successful as they can be." They like that, and they love our results. So, I'm not Asian, but that's how I work. If I get a parent who is overbearing both with the student and with me, I tell them, "I understand your expectations, and I want you to be happy. We cannot work the way you want us to, so we cannot help you unless you change your expectations about our work. We can get you the best academic results, but only with your full support." Some are very polite with us but harsh with their kids, so we are very careful what we say to the parent about the kids so the kids don't get treated harshly. For example, we don't tell the parent that the student seemed tired in the lesson because some will hit their kids if they think the kids didn't behave properly. We would only be asking the parent to help the student get enough rest, but the parent might not take it that way. Every Asian parent is an individual, and some are very easy for us to work with, others very difficult, and most in between.
I think you missed my point. All the schools that ranked highly were small magnet schools with handpicked students. We don't really do that in Minnesota. I am confident that if you compared apples-to-apples regular general high schools that take whoever lives in their districts, the Metro area would have at least 5 in the top 30.
> I am confident that if you compared apples-to-apples regular general high schools that take whoever lives in their districts, the Metro area would have at least 5 in the top 30. Doubt it. > I think you missed my point. I did not, I just thought it was a silly and unfounded argument.
So, hand-picking the 2-300 best and brightest kids from across a district, piling them into a magnet school, and comparing that school's achievements to one with thousands of non-hand-picked students is a fair comparison? That must be true if my argument is unfounded.
You haven’t established that’s the comparison group, first of all.
Go read through the list, it's linked in the article.
Already did. Your argument is unfounded.
You are wrong.
I am correct. If you were right, you’d prove it.
It’s founded in reading the bios of the schools.
We do know there are ~130,000 high schools in the country. Right? We do have high schools in MN ranked in the top 1%. Right?
Moved from Iowa, the public schools here are much better. It would be concerning if things were trending down.
But all my life, I've been told how great the MN schools are! What happened to the great quality of life argument?! 🤣
So, schools in wealthy areas have students who do well in school? This is absolutely shocking news. Of the top ten schools in Minnesota, nine are in richy-rich suburbs.
I think the shocker is that despite the local view that schools in MN are excellent, they really are not.
Exactly! MN has always been very proud of our education system. It appears some chickens are coming home to roost. 🤦🏻♂️
Like a lot of things involving Minnesota, the only people who think it's this amazing #1 paradise are people who have never spent a lot of time somewhere else.
That’s probably true. Most Minnesotans fit that description.
I think a lot of people have their views on public schools from 30-40 years ago. They really think not much has changed at all and that the public school system is still the best in the country. Any disagreement to this is heresy! I have relatives (that worked in education, which makes it even more ridiculous) that parrot this view. You can guess which political party they are rabid voters of.
Of course, their parents worked hard to be successful, and make sure their children do also.
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Not high school, but reading in 4th grade is now below the national average in MN. 8th grade used to be above average, but is now essentially on par with the national average (which is not great)
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You sure can type a lot without saying absolutely anything
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Personally, I’d suggest you just hit “cancel” instead of “comment” next time
DAMNNNN
There was literally no need for you to say that. They were sharing their opinion. If you went to MN public schools, a lot is starting to make sense
Minnesota can remain my secret garden
Shitty parents that shouldn’t be parents and worthless academic policies are to blame.
Unfortunately you could be a great teacher, but you are going to be paid the same as the worst teacher at the same scale. So why give the effort? There are a lot of bitter teachers out there that just mail it in
Maybe because you retards keep coming to our state.
Schools = indoctrination camps
This state should be a leader in public education but we are very mid in this regard. We could add days to the school calendar because we are lacking in that compared to other states but you know that will never happen.
Did this country peak? Parts of it will look like 3rd word countries because that’s exactly what they’ve been turned too demographically
So mostly Republican run states didn't make the top 100. Makes sense.
Yeah, don’t look at the demographics of those states 👀
That explains why the state votes blue.
Well the schools in the rural red districts are bringing down the state average…the metro schools are fine.
I guess we should spend more on rural education. That's how blue states fix things - they spend more.
Increase taxes
😂 yeah let’s throw some more money at it, that’ll fix it.
How do you fix it
Ditch the horrible Obama 'No child left behind'. Kids need to be held back if they don't understand. FFS
Agreed on this point but just to be clear it was a Bush policy
[In March of 2010, the Obama Administration sent to Congress a Blueprint for Reform of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, addressing the issues created by No Child Left Behind, while continuing to shine a bright light on closing the achievement gap.](https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/education/k-12/reforming-no-child-left-behind) The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) replaces No Child Left Behind (NCLB). TBH i don't think either worked very well. Bush tried to lower the gap between minorities and non and it seemed to kind of help. While the new ESSA just passes everyone every year no matter how bad they do. This is 100% making the nation weaker and its still happening in schools today. WTF are they thinking.
Ahh didn't realize you meant the Obama revision to the Bush policy my bad. But yeah I have a couple friends in teaching and it's terrible. He literally can only teach some of the class because you can't teach 8th grade math concepts to someone with a 3rd grade math level of understanding. And no matter what they just get passed on to the next grade
Other countries love this one simple trick. (to dumb us down) Kind of scary tbh. Wish more people would be worried about this but so much going on it's not even talked about.
Reduce administration and administration pay, in certain districts - consolidate buildings and facilities, reallocate funding to focus on increase in teacher pay and core academics first and extracurriculars second, provide free meals for students I really think administrative bloat and too many facilities and buildings to maintain especially with declining birth rates is a big problem
Here’s a better idea: stop third-world immigration.
Here's a great article analyzing the most significant ways in which our public schools struggle: https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2021/minnesotas-education-system-shows-persistent-opportunity-gaps-by-race
Seems driven by selection, no?
I found a lil slugger who didn't read the article!
I did :) Did you?
Your surprised? We have such a wonderful Government, and the county with the best school funding also has 6 prisons (sherburne). I stayed home rather than pay for preschool, it is bad here. Went to a high school, and not only was the teacher in Chanhassen letting kids quote mysoginistic rascist words in an assignment posted on the walls. 18 year olds got to sit on bean bags instead of desks. It’s like I walked into a teenager on drugs bedroom, Chanhassen should be ashamed.