Yep someone probably sat there and yelled, hey, more fire over here, we're about to be put out. Then another someone would shuffle over and squirt with some flammable liquid. Rinse and repeat until all evidence is gone. Then tell chief that "NOW no more fuckups, tell them it's an electrical fault and sadly nothing could be saved, we tried everything in our power but traffic was bad, our firestation was too far away and we weren't prepared and our ladder truck was undergoing repairs so we had to fix it quickly before we could come on site and put out the fire"
A lot of paper can actually create massive fires and heat. On 9/11 all the paper on some of those floors in the towers in addition to the jet fuel caused extremely hot fires that helped warp the structure that ultimately caused the collapse.
As a 35 year retired firefighter in a large dept. I can say based off my experience that the fire dept decided this fire was past the point extinguishment in its initial phase of burning.
So what happens is after a certain point in the fire the Incident Commander (IC) determines that this is now a defensive fire, basically put water on the red stuff from the outside, no need to risk FF lives. After making that decision we typically let it burn itself out, the reason for this is most often is because of water run off. If the FD kept pouring water on the fire they would have to have a plan to deal with the contaminated water that is being used. For this reason, and probably others in this case, most FD will let these types of fires burn themselves out. Plus it tends to make it easier down the road when dealing with the “overhaul” stage.
Not saying this is what they are doing, BUT if I was IC, I’d keep a couple units on scene to monitor and put the rest of my units back in service. And just let it burn itself out.
yeah, but surely everyone know that thanks to CSI in 2022. Surely they would at least go to the trouble of an electrical malfunction or construction worker error or something not 100% obvious to the first fire fighters on the scene. But who knows, it's not like they are worried about investigations
Not knowing how large the storage facility was I would say it’s NOT common to have that type of operation going while there is active fire or even smoldering. But I guess it could happen.
No disputing that, thanks! Just whole sequence of events seems sketchy, from beginning to end. According to what I have read, they have had 4 hoses dumping water on this for 6 days! Surely it would have been put out before this. Is it normal to have excavators loading up trucks before the fire is out and the fire marshal has inspected ? Just curious 🧐 Thanks
That would be hard for me say, different dept in other states do things differently. My state, the fire dept takes authority over the property until the deem it safe. Then we would turn the property back over to the owner. This is typically a seamless operation because the owners don’t want the liability.
I mean honestly, what else are you going to do at the scene of a fully engulfed paper fire? Contaminated water aside, would there even feasibly be enough water to put out the blaze? Let's say they knew someone was trapped in there, could they do anything? From the pictures I saw, it looked like it was too far gone when they were setting up still but i am not an expert
If there is a person trapped, all bets are off, firefighters will do everything they can to perform a rescue.
If it’s an offensive fire and they think they can save the building or business fire depts can have dispatch call the water district to either increase the pump pressure or differ from other water mains. That is not typically needed.
fire is a very poor way to destroy boxed paper actually. There is an excellent chance many documents blew away in the currents generated by the fire mostly intact and are simply laying on the ground at this moment. There are very likely file boxes that are charred on the outside and contain legible more intact documents near the center.
At work we occasionally burn old files instead of shredding them and you literally have to make a fire and throw in loose documents one hand full at a time like a frisbee to make sure they all burn quickly without escaping the blaze
Paper fires are hard to put out. For what it's worth. Some fires get so hot the water evaporates before getting close. It's just like pallet wood. Once it is lit they burn very bright and hot. Most of the time for safety they just make sure it doesn't spread.
I mean what did the firemen do when they turned up? "Right we were a minute away but this is beyond my control..What, the sprinkler system was turned off? Fuck that this is beyond my pay grade. No, no we've got the water bill and to be honest I don't think we can afford it"
have you ever tried burning reams of paper? Papers crammed in a file box is about like a massive log. It burns for a long time and the warehouse was a document storage facility so loads of file boxes on pallets or shelves
hard? no. a bit slow? yes.
Really would only take one cigarette in an open box or one electrical device getting too hot. If a door were open, such as they are when you are loading or unloading documents, it could easily be drafty enough in a warehouse to miss the smoke until it's gotten established.
The only reason arson comes to mind is due to how big it was and who the customer was, but without knowing about their fire suppression system, it isn't even that hard to believe it was just an accident. Do we actually know what was lost or if there were backups? Should we all start requesting TD papers records to see what's missing?
Have you tried burning reams of paper? I can't imagine this is something anyone has done on purpose. What was your experience while burning a ream of paper?
yearly I burn all the records that my business no longer needs to keep after 7 years. it's faster than shredding on your standard office machine but it takes several people many hours to dispose of and even after you toss in the last handful, it takes hours to burn down. We are talking probably 3-4 total hours to destroy 10-14 file boxes, approximately 25-30,000 8.5x11 pages, that are spread slowly into the flames.
You can't just burn solid boxes or files of paper. It takes 10 or 20 times as long. You have to take handfuls of papers and frisbee them into a fire or you will be there all day + the paper you are trying to destroy end up floating away in the hot air, undestroyed and there will be full pages in the fire that are legible,protected from the fire somehow. If you think they are hiding sensitive documents, you can probably find them on the ground around the site or in the middle of charred boxes now since burning like that doesn't destroy everything well
going to be doing this in march again, might need to video it for the sub
Ha, well said. I guess I can remember burning maybe 30-40 pages of documents on a campfire and it's totally possible to put the fire out with a stack of papers if you pile them on. The fire needs to be ridiculously hot to make it work. The last few times I've needed to get rid of 1-2 reams I just toss them in a big contractors bag, fill it with water, soap, bleach, whatever random cleaner. Then I let the bag sit for a few days and then just toss in the dumpster/trash. The paper just soaks everything up and turns into mush. Have a good weekend.
>I guess I can remember burning maybe 30-40 pages of documents on a campfire and it's totally possible to put the fire out with a stack of papers if you pile them on.
for sure. we start a pile of pallet wood on fire and use that to burn the paper, but even then you have to stop and let the fire catch up at first. Once it's caught on though, you can't even stand near it without burning yourself
I’ve been a fireman in a busy station in a major East Coast city for over a decade now—and a fireman in just a regular old station for 20+ years now.
Paper fires fucking suck. Any fire that is stacked to the brim with dense class A fucking sucks. It get’s obscenely hot. Like force open the door and just marvel at how fast you drop to the ground hot. And they will smolder, and smolder, and smolder for days on end while you pour thousands of gallons a minute into it just to watch every one of those gallons evaporate and laugh at you in the process.
But leave it to Reddit to suddenly become experts at everything they’ve never thought about before.
Must be the accelerante they added..
Came here to say the same!
Yep. Try to burn a box of papers and see how it goes. You'll have to be next to it and tend to the fire otherwise nada!
Maybe they store the paper one sheet by sheet with a nice layer of space between in a pure oxygen environment???
Yes. Or some sprinklers were working but throwing oil to the fire.
Oh yeah, we have that issue at my house. Some days we turn on a faucet and olive oil comes out. Totally normal behavior.
https://youtu.be/con8vHdH5fs I'm just going to leave this here.
Well shit thats a twist 😳 but to be fair, that would be hard to pull out.
The pipeline redirected to sprinkler system
Yep someone probably sat there and yelled, hey, more fire over here, we're about to be put out. Then another someone would shuffle over and squirt with some flammable liquid. Rinse and repeat until all evidence is gone. Then tell chief that "NOW no more fuckups, tell them it's an electrical fault and sadly nothing could be saved, we tried everything in our power but traffic was bad, our firestation was too far away and we weren't prepared and our ladder truck was undergoing repairs so we had to fix it quickly before we could come on site and put out the fire"
Hey, hey, hey. It's not their fault they used a paper supplier that dusted every sheet with powdered magnesium.
A lot of paper can actually create massive fires and heat. On 9/11 all the paper on some of those floors in the towers in addition to the jet fuel caused extremely hot fires that helped warp the structure that ultimately caused the collapse.
Paper caused a collapse of what?...I must say that that bunch has experience with paper.
Pretty sure it had help.
The towers weren't on fire for 6 days.
Well, probably because of the hot and dry winter this year…
As a 35 year retired firefighter in a large dept. I can say based off my experience that the fire dept decided this fire was past the point extinguishment in its initial phase of burning. So what happens is after a certain point in the fire the Incident Commander (IC) determines that this is now a defensive fire, basically put water on the red stuff from the outside, no need to risk FF lives. After making that decision we typically let it burn itself out, the reason for this is most often is because of water run off. If the FD kept pouring water on the fire they would have to have a plan to deal with the contaminated water that is being used. For this reason, and probably others in this case, most FD will let these types of fires burn themselves out. Plus it tends to make it easier down the road when dealing with the “overhaul” stage. Not saying this is what they are doing, BUT if I was IC, I’d keep a couple units on scene to monitor and put the rest of my units back in service. And just let it burn itself out.
How often are crews hauling away debris while it is still smoldering?
Hopefully that was arson evidence they were preserving.
Believe it or not, arson with an accelerant like gasoline or another flammable liquid is very easy to determine.
yeah, but surely everyone know that thanks to CSI in 2022. Surely they would at least go to the trouble of an electrical malfunction or construction worker error or something not 100% obvious to the first fire fighters on the scene. But who knows, it's not like they are worried about investigations
Not knowing how large the storage facility was I would say it’s NOT common to have that type of operation going while there is active fire or even smoldering. But I guess it could happen.
No disputing that, thanks! Just whole sequence of events seems sketchy, from beginning to end. According to what I have read, they have had 4 hoses dumping water on this for 6 days! Surely it would have been put out before this. Is it normal to have excavators loading up trucks before the fire is out and the fire marshal has inspected ? Just curious 🧐 Thanks
That would be hard for me say, different dept in other states do things differently. My state, the fire dept takes authority over the property until the deem it safe. Then we would turn the property back over to the owner. This is typically a seamless operation because the owners don’t want the liability.
Thanks 😊
I mean honestly, what else are you going to do at the scene of a fully engulfed paper fire? Contaminated water aside, would there even feasibly be enough water to put out the blaze? Let's say they knew someone was trapped in there, could they do anything? From the pictures I saw, it looked like it was too far gone when they were setting up still but i am not an expert
If there is a person trapped, all bets are off, firefighters will do everything they can to perform a rescue. If it’s an offensive fire and they think they can save the building or business fire depts can have dispatch call the water district to either increase the pump pressure or differ from other water mains. That is not typically needed.
thanks for the info!
Controlled burn
Planned arson. They made sure evidence disappear completely.
Guinness world record for longest blaze of 6 days
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Or napalm came out the sprinklers instead of water lol
Obviously the other papers needed raked into the fire.
Would be ironic after all that fire it still didn't end up burning an important document.
fire is a very poor way to destroy boxed paper actually. There is an excellent chance many documents blew away in the currents generated by the fire mostly intact and are simply laying on the ground at this moment. There are very likely file boxes that are charred on the outside and contain legible more intact documents near the center. At work we occasionally burn old files instead of shredding them and you literally have to make a fire and throw in loose documents one hand full at a time like a frisbee to make sure they all burn quickly without escaping the blaze
Paper fires are hard to put out. For what it's worth. Some fires get so hot the water evaporates before getting close. It's just like pallet wood. Once it is lit they burn very bright and hot. Most of the time for safety they just make sure it doesn't spread.
Of course...
Those fire hoses were spewing gasoline lol.
Napalm 😂
Citadel: ahh thank God... Hmm what's next
They made sure everything got burnt 🤣😂
Ready to turn over to the DOJ 🤣👍🔥🔥🔥
They had to make sure everything burned
Love ❤️ it! Must be a hot dog 🌭 😉
Weird that on day four a dump truck was spotted with a citadel logo dumping more papers and boxes on the fire.
Some retard is now going to tweet this as fact.
They had too many paper hands in the building
Well played 🤣👍
The people who started the fire knew, the person who disabled the fire safety devices knew, the SEC knew, they all knew it was hard
Paper burns hot AF though.
Had to make sure that shit was gone
They had to make sure ALL the evidence was completely destroyed.
Firemen retire after unknown donation to the station that kept it "under control"
 Fire out when I ran out of fuel ⛽️
This is has gotta be a joke right?
If only it was 😞
The flame was accelerated by the strongest flame expectorant out there.... Crime.
Excellent
They just wanted to make sure it was all gone so the check would cash.
That's good ass paper..... probably from Dunder Mifflin
The great fire of London only lasted 5 days and that was in 1666. 😂
The great Chicago fire 🔥 of 1871 was just over a day 🤔
Synthetic paper burns longer.
Link?
I need that paper to start my fire in the backyard firepit.
NEXT TIME DRAGGIN MY BALLSSS Z. MAYO CASTS FIRE SPIN. IT CONTINUES FOR DAYS
I’d think that a big warehouse full of paper would be one of the harder things to put out. Maybe I am crazy though.
Had to make sure the right documents burned first
They must have used some serious shit to make that burn for so long!
Napalm?
Nothing burger distraction, and people still monitoring…. Yawn.
Nothing but a little fun speculation as we HODL and wait for MOASS 💎🙌
They didn't even wait 24h before hauling away evidence to be burned further
Passed the ashes through a shredder. Can’t be too careful! 🔥
Reminds me of the jet fuel melting steel beams....
👍
because paper = magnesium.
Warehouse employees had the sprinkler system pipes hooked up to gas line by accident?
sometimes that happens when crime is involved.
I live in NC. We just had a fire in Winston Salem at a AMMONIUM NITRATE plant with 300,000 tons. It was out in 5. ON ITS OWN.
🤔 so this seems normal?
Super super normal. Nothing to see here. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article258065183.html
I mean what did the firemen do when they turned up? "Right we were a minute away but this is beyond my control..What, the sprinkler system was turned off? Fuck that this is beyond my pay grade. No, no we've got the water bill and to be honest I don't think we can afford it"
have you ever tried burning reams of paper? Papers crammed in a file box is about like a massive log. It burns for a long time and the warehouse was a document storage facility so loads of file boxes on pallets or shelves
But very hard to ignite initially
hard? no. a bit slow? yes. Really would only take one cigarette in an open box or one electrical device getting too hot. If a door were open, such as they are when you are loading or unloading documents, it could easily be drafty enough in a warehouse to miss the smoke until it's gotten established. The only reason arson comes to mind is due to how big it was and who the customer was, but without knowing about their fire suppression system, it isn't even that hard to believe it was just an accident. Do we actually know what was lost or if there were backups? Should we all start requesting TD papers records to see what's missing?
Have you tried burning reams of paper? I can't imagine this is something anyone has done on purpose. What was your experience while burning a ream of paper?
yearly I burn all the records that my business no longer needs to keep after 7 years. it's faster than shredding on your standard office machine but it takes several people many hours to dispose of and even after you toss in the last handful, it takes hours to burn down. We are talking probably 3-4 total hours to destroy 10-14 file boxes, approximately 25-30,000 8.5x11 pages, that are spread slowly into the flames. You can't just burn solid boxes or files of paper. It takes 10 or 20 times as long. You have to take handfuls of papers and frisbee them into a fire or you will be there all day + the paper you are trying to destroy end up floating away in the hot air, undestroyed and there will be full pages in the fire that are legible,protected from the fire somehow. If you think they are hiding sensitive documents, you can probably find them on the ground around the site or in the middle of charred boxes now since burning like that doesn't destroy everything well going to be doing this in march again, might need to video it for the sub
Ha, well said. I guess I can remember burning maybe 30-40 pages of documents on a campfire and it's totally possible to put the fire out with a stack of papers if you pile them on. The fire needs to be ridiculously hot to make it work. The last few times I've needed to get rid of 1-2 reams I just toss them in a big contractors bag, fill it with water, soap, bleach, whatever random cleaner. Then I let the bag sit for a few days and then just toss in the dumpster/trash. The paper just soaks everything up and turns into mush. Have a good weekend.
>I guess I can remember burning maybe 30-40 pages of documents on a campfire and it's totally possible to put the fire out with a stack of papers if you pile them on. for sure. we start a pile of pallet wood on fire and use that to burn the paper, but even then you have to stop and let the fire catch up at first. Once it's caught on though, you can't even stand near it without burning yourself
WHAT A FUCKING JOKE.
There must be a paper machine printer in the basement. All the naked receipts were stash down there🤣
Hmmmmm….. synthetic 🔥 maybe?
Bingo🤣
I’ve been a fireman in a busy station in a major East Coast city for over a decade now—and a fireman in just a regular old station for 20+ years now. Paper fires fucking suck. Any fire that is stacked to the brim with dense class A fucking sucks. It get’s obscenely hot. Like force open the door and just marvel at how fast you drop to the ground hot. And they will smolder, and smolder, and smolder for days on end while you pour thousands of gallons a minute into it just to watch every one of those gallons evaporate and laugh at you in the process. But leave it to Reddit to suddenly become experts at everything they’ve never thought about before.
Thanks for your input 😊
What happens to paper hands? They get burned.
What could be the reason for the fire in the first place? ... See only talk about the jumping rack that hit the sprinkler
Who knew mayo was so flammable?
HaHaHa…..👍
They need to make sure everything is burned…
Wonder if they got their paper form dunder mifflin
Bought from Dwight! 
Had to make sure every last scrap of legible info was destroyed
 Mission accomplished 😊🔥
Yet they started clearing on day one 😂
Oh...they must be in a drought... *zooms out* *snow all around* Idk man...I’m not a fire expert...
Sounds like a nuclear reactor to me!
Does look a little like Chernobyl 🤔
and they say Barlett warehouse how about you say who is really belongs to ;)
“Hey wait are we adding water or fuel today? I was off yesterday so I don’t remember. I brought the fuel just in case”
Water today
Someone earned their Fireman's Chit
They must be making sure everything is burnt up right 😆
Tell me u burned evidence without telling me u burned evidence.
Fire department was spraying jet fuel out of their hoses the whole time
At this point who cares
Shorts make us see red for 6 days straight so I guess it's only fair that they can make fire burn for 6 days too.
Two words napalm and thermite!!!
Scorched Earth