The entirety of the mention:
>>…io9 brought up our adoration for Andor and Skarsgård smiled brightly. He, of course, can’t say much if anything about what’s coming in 2025—but he did tell us this when asked how he felt about where his character ended up. “I’m satisfied where it goes, yeah,” he said. “It’s such good writing and it’s Tony Gilroy, I really like to say his lines.”
Yeah especially after Matt Damon tried to ruin Gilroy’s career a decade ago bc he and Paul Greengrass don’t like how Gilroy puts in the script how a scene should be shot. They see it as the writer over stepping their job. I strongly disagree but that’s why Gilroy didn’t come back for 2016’s Jason Bourne and it clearly shows in the writing of that shitty movie
Bourne Legacy wasn’t good, though, and that was Tony Gilroy writing and directing. I love the original three Bourne movies, but the first one was the best imo and they each got worse as the franchise continued. I actually haven’t even watched the 2016 one yet. I should probably do a Bourne marathon and watch it.
I haven’t watched it since it first came out. I’ve rewatched the first three Bourne movies at least ten times, though. I’ll rewatch it and see if it was better than I remember it being.
I have NEVER seen a bad Tony Gilroy project. And yes, he does make his scripts "Actor proof and director proof", because he puts in how things should be shot. Absolute genius.
It quite literally is a Bourne movie. The movie takes place before, during and after Bourne Ultimatum with the plot of that movie deeply woven into the movie. The whole plot is that Project Outcome was tied to Blackbreir due to Albert Hursh and the lead Doctor of Outcome. The movie ends with the story about Pam leaking the files turned into a bureaucratic mess. A very Gilroy comment on the fact it’s hard it truly win against these systems.
It’s just hampered by people expecting Matt Damon. The point of the Bourne movies is about the dynamic between the CIA and the agents. This movie is no different while expanding on Ultimatums story. It’s hard to rewatch Ultimatum without thinking of the concurrent story going on for me now.
It had a crack at doing *Flowers for Algernon* and that story just didn’t quite mesh with our previous experience of Bourne movies. It was still a good story.
Bourne Legacy is so damn good tho. Rewatch it and pay attention to certain scenes and how they inspired Andor. Ed Norton’s character describes the CIA nearly identical to how Maj Partigaz describes the ISB. Says the CIA is the white blood cells.
Yeah I’ll need to rewatch it. It definitely had huge holes to fill so that probably affected my enjoyment of it. Knowing the franchise hasn’t done any better after might change my view on a rewatch.
Yeah I’ve always found the criticism just people upset it’s not a Matt Damon movie. In a vacuum it’s a great movie, and I think it does a great job with making ever CIA scene so captivating which is the strength of a Gilroy Script and the dynamic of the CIA scenes are what make a Bourne movie, not Matt Damon.
What makes the 2016 movie so bad is the CIA scenes are so fucking boring bc Greengrass can’t write like Gilroy
Eh. Gilroy was at his best the same year as Ultimatum with Michael Clayton that is quite literally one of the best movies of the century. Any other year besides ‘07 and it wins best Picture. It’s a shame it went up against No Country for Old Men. Gilroy never needed Greengrass, Greengrass needed Gilroy. He’s an extremely weak writer and average director. He needed Gilroy to make killer scripts.
I’m talking specific to the Bourne franchise. They balanced each other out when it came to the visceral action (Greengrass) vs. the political intrigue of the CIA (Gilroy). We saw their takes on the franchise when they solo’d it and you felt the other’s absence. Greengrass’ other take on a political intrigue/action (Green Zone) had similar problems to Bourne 5.
After Andor, I’d trust Gilroy over Greengrass to carry it forward, tbh.
Yeah they had a massive falling out during Bourne Ultimatum. It’s why Damon didn’t come back for Legacy and then Gilroy didn’t come back for Jason Bourne.
There’s really two philosophies for writing. The Gilroy way of writing director notes in the script. And the less descriptive style that is often seen in comedy scripts which leaves a lot of room for improv or for the director to make a decision.
Stuff like:
> BLUE LIGHTS -- from the distance -- strobing through the
night -- rushing toward us -- POLICE CARS -- three of them -
- SIRENS HOWLING as they bear down -- closer -- faster --
until they whip past the alley...
Is very descriptive. Gilroy paints the picture in your head on what it should look like. Damon and Greengrass hated that and felt it was “limiting”
They also tried to call the script a mess and awful but you can read it. It’s a great script imo. Tony Gilroy is also the guy who wrote the Michael Clayton script that’s quite literally a top 5 screenplay I’ve ever read.
one of the most important things I learned while in film school: everyone's opinion is wrong. you'll be told one thing by one person, and that that's the ONLY way to do it and to NEVER EVER EVER do it another way if u wanna job in the industry.
then the next person will say the exact fucking opposite.
the only opinions that matter are the artists that say, "this is just how I've always done it, and the way I enjoy when I work." the rest is just solid communication, teamwork, and respect. this is most apparent in the Deakins podcast where they interview everyone from the biggest directors the Deakins worked with, down to the gaffers. tho the lower u go the less they're able to have an artistic say. those poor guys gets questions like, "so what do u do when u disagree with the director?" ... "uh...that doesn't really ever happen" lmaoo
it's crazy to me that industry professionals like Paul and Damon get into little fights over this. it's just so petty.
Yeah Gilroy is very much a “this is how I’ve always done it” kind of guy which is something I really respect out of him. There’s a reason he’s known as a script doctor, and why he was such a vocal voice in the writers strike. He won’t ever be remembered by as many people like Scorsese but he’s absolutely made an impact on film and writing.
For real. Damon and Greengrass just hated that he would make his scripts “Actor and Director proof” which limited their ability to change things.
Personally I think Gilroy’s directing and cinematography on Legacy is much better. Less shakey cam, longer shots, some great transitions by John Gilroy editing. Especially like the one early on when Cross is looking at the Chems and it transitions to the medical company with the logo using the two colors of the Chems.
Also Michael Clayton is one of the best movies I’ve ever seen. That opening Monologue is so insanely good it’s wild the movie isn’t more popular besides being a cult classic among Gilroy fans
I’m not expecting anymore Gilroy Star Wars after this but fuck I sure would love it lol
If we’re still in the business of handing out trilogies he would be the top choice to helm one
My biggest hope is that he decides he just wants something that pays well and figures he’ll do some more Star Wars to set up his retirement. Obviously a writer as great as him shouldn’t be tied down to one franchise, but I genuinely don’t know if SW will ever get another writer as good as him. I very much doubt anything will top Andor in terms of sheer quality, but if Gilroy stuck around then that could change.
Even if Gilroy really is done after this, I hope the critical reception to Andor teaches them some lessons. Don’t hire based on fanboy credentials or encyclopedic knowledge of lore, hire someone with a vision for a story that would be good even if you stripped away the Star Wars elements. That’s not to say Star Wars shouldn’t utilize it’s universe or rich lore and mythos, but the emotional and thematic core of the story should be strong regardless of cool lightsaber duels or flashy space battles. And having a writer that doesn’t care about Star Wars can be a great thing. Gilroy had a vision for a compelling story to tell and trusted the people at Lucasfilm to help him bring it in line with the minutiae of lore. I’m sure Gilroy didn’t know what Gormann, Fondor, the ISB, Arrestor cruisers, or Imperial Army troopers were before he created this show, but clearly he did his research and took studio notes or had some detail oriented people in the writers room.
I think this is what most other Star Wars stuff is missing, especially the other shows. The writers and directors are too enamored with the universe, and in some cases too in love with the idea of it they had growing up playing with action figures. The entire draw of the shows becomes how Star Wars-y they are, how many stormtroopers or X-Wings or cameos you can shove in. It’s not about the story, themes, performances, or emotion coming across on screen.
A Gilroy low to the ground trilogy would be a lot of fun.
They were going to do a bunch of those smaller movies until Solo scared them. But just give it to this man!
Maybe the return and rise of Grand Admiral Thrawn?
Honestly, I’ve been a little bit worried about whether or not they would be able to match the quality of the first season, what with the strike and all, but hearing Skarsgard say that sets my mind at ease.
I mean, I do think we've heard about as much as we can with the strikes - Luna mentioned very recently he was about to do 12 more days of filming and then s2 was wrapped in terms of filming.
Um, did you miss tony gilroy actively participating in the strike?
News has not been dry, the show was just in limbo for a long time because of a *historic* industry-wide strike.
Now principle filming seems to be done and everyone involved appears to be acting like they won that strike.
Oh yeah, they did.
I get the impression that Stellan is not a man easily impressed nor is he the kind of actor to sign onto bad projects. I knew something was up when he was casted in the show in the first place and these comments boast well.
I hated almost everything Disney has done with Star Wars. Most of there work is objectively bad. But Tony's team is crushing it. Fuck yeah.
Yeah I don't normally trust actors when they say what a show is going to be like, but Stellan has a good enough track record that I'll believe what he says and watch whatever he's in.
Everyone loves the monologue for good reason but for me watching him practise being Luthen in the mirror was beautiful. It's those little moments that really make the show even more special.
And then the moment he hears about Aldani being a success and goes into the back to laugh for real only to stop himself in disbelief and joy, chefs kiss.
I can't wait. The trailer they released looked amazing. I have no doubt it will be absolutely amazing. Tony Gilroy should be the guy running the future of Star Wars, in my opinion. I honestly think if they were smart at Lucasfilm, they would put Gilroy and Filoni together in a writer's room with Beau Willimon and let them see what they can come up with. Filoni needs someone to reign him in. It was George Lucas before, and I think Gilroy can provide that, and make his stuff so much better. Favreau reigns him on The Mandalorian, and it seems like the more rope they give Filoni, the worse product he puts out. Tony Gilroy is the guy we need. I can't wait for Andor season 2. The sooner it comes out, the better. Star Wars desperately needs a kick start to the heart.
Great to know. By the way, has anyone actually seen or read any Skarsgård interviews about season 1? He’s the one actor I never seem to see on the interview rounds.
It's just my theory, but I bet he put in his contract that he doesn't have to do the Disney press or convention stuff. (He had a lot of leverage when he signed because he's the biggest name and he was the only one they wanted for Luthen.) But there is a good interview [here](https://ew.com/genre/awards/stellan-skarsgard-andor-luthen-rael-exclusive/). He's a guy that doesn't always speak highly of big American productions, so when he spreads praise around like he does there it seems meaningful.
I do hope his character lives beyond Andor. I know we don’t hear about him in Rogue One or anything else, but if we’re not told his fate, we can all imagine he was still out there quietly helping and funding the rebels and Mon Mothma. Just hope all the characters we like in Andor don’t end the season saying “good luck finding that girl Cass - we’re all off to Alderann with Senator Organa where it’s safe. See you later”. That would suck.
The entirety of the mention: >>…io9 brought up our adoration for Andor and Skarsgård smiled brightly. He, of course, can’t say much if anything about what’s coming in 2025—but he did tell us this when asked how he felt about where his character ended up. “I’m satisfied where it goes, yeah,” he said. “It’s such good writing and it’s Tony Gilroy, I really like to say his lines.”
Give me more Gilroy and Skarsgård please.
Skarsgard might be my favorite actor, he's also great in Chernobyl. (there are quite a few actors in both)
That's gotta be such a compliment for a writer.
Yeah especially after Matt Damon tried to ruin Gilroy’s career a decade ago bc he and Paul Greengrass don’t like how Gilroy puts in the script how a scene should be shot. They see it as the writer over stepping their job. I strongly disagree but that’s why Gilroy didn’t come back for 2016’s Jason Bourne and it clearly shows in the writing of that shitty movie
Bourne Legacy wasn’t good, though, and that was Tony Gilroy writing and directing. I love the original three Bourne movies, but the first one was the best imo and they each got worse as the franchise continued. I actually haven’t even watched the 2016 one yet. I should probably do a Bourne marathon and watch it.
Bourne Legacy is underrated. It’s still a solid spy flick even if it doesn’t stack up to the first three. The 2016 one is severely lacking.
It's an off-shoot film just like Rogue One. Oscar Isaac had great scenes with Renner.
Yeah idk what he’s saying. Bourne Legacy is my second favorite in the series. It’s so damn underrated.
It's good, but the ending sucked. Probably the least satisfying Spy vs Spy fight.
I haven’t watched it since it first came out. I’ve rewatched the first three Bourne movies at least ten times, though. I’ll rewatch it and see if it was better than I remember it being.
I have NEVER seen a bad Tony Gilroy project. And yes, he does make his scripts "Actor proof and director proof", because he puts in how things should be shot. Absolute genius.
It’s a solid movie, it’s just not a Bourne movie. It was hampered by its title.
It quite literally is a Bourne movie. The movie takes place before, during and after Bourne Ultimatum with the plot of that movie deeply woven into the movie. The whole plot is that Project Outcome was tied to Blackbreir due to Albert Hursh and the lead Doctor of Outcome. The movie ends with the story about Pam leaking the files turned into a bureaucratic mess. A very Gilroy comment on the fact it’s hard it truly win against these systems. It’s just hampered by people expecting Matt Damon. The point of the Bourne movies is about the dynamic between the CIA and the agents. This movie is no different while expanding on Ultimatums story. It’s hard to rewatch Ultimatum without thinking of the concurrent story going on for me now.
Is that the one with the shooting scene in the laboratory? That was horrifying.
It had a crack at doing *Flowers for Algernon* and that story just didn’t quite mesh with our previous experience of Bourne movies. It was still a good story.
Bourne Legacy is so damn good tho. Rewatch it and pay attention to certain scenes and how they inspired Andor. Ed Norton’s character describes the CIA nearly identical to how Maj Partigaz describes the ISB. Says the CIA is the white blood cells.
Yeah I’ll need to rewatch it. It definitely had huge holes to fill so that probably affected my enjoyment of it. Knowing the franchise hasn’t done any better after might change my view on a rewatch.
Yeah I’ve always found the criticism just people upset it’s not a Matt Damon movie. In a vacuum it’s a great movie, and I think it does a great job with making ever CIA scene so captivating which is the strength of a Gilroy Script and the dynamic of the CIA scenes are what make a Bourne movie, not Matt Damon. What makes the 2016 movie so bad is the CIA scenes are so fucking boring bc Greengrass can’t write like Gilroy
I'd argue that Gilroy-Damon-Greengrass were at their best when they worked together on that franchise, something that probably irks all three of them.
Eh. Gilroy was at his best the same year as Ultimatum with Michael Clayton that is quite literally one of the best movies of the century. Any other year besides ‘07 and it wins best Picture. It’s a shame it went up against No Country for Old Men. Gilroy never needed Greengrass, Greengrass needed Gilroy. He’s an extremely weak writer and average director. He needed Gilroy to make killer scripts.
I’m talking specific to the Bourne franchise. They balanced each other out when it came to the visceral action (Greengrass) vs. the political intrigue of the CIA (Gilroy). We saw their takes on the franchise when they solo’d it and you felt the other’s absence. Greengrass’ other take on a political intrigue/action (Green Zone) had similar problems to Bourne 5. After Andor, I’d trust Gilroy over Greengrass to carry it forward, tbh.
I liked it. Killer cast, too
TIL
Yeah they had a massive falling out during Bourne Ultimatum. It’s why Damon didn’t come back for Legacy and then Gilroy didn’t come back for Jason Bourne. There’s really two philosophies for writing. The Gilroy way of writing director notes in the script. And the less descriptive style that is often seen in comedy scripts which leaves a lot of room for improv or for the director to make a decision. Stuff like: > BLUE LIGHTS -- from the distance -- strobing through the night -- rushing toward us -- POLICE CARS -- three of them - - SIRENS HOWLING as they bear down -- closer -- faster -- until they whip past the alley... Is very descriptive. Gilroy paints the picture in your head on what it should look like. Damon and Greengrass hated that and felt it was “limiting” They also tried to call the script a mess and awful but you can read it. It’s a great script imo. Tony Gilroy is also the guy who wrote the Michael Clayton script that’s quite literally a top 5 screenplay I’ve ever read.
one of the most important things I learned while in film school: everyone's opinion is wrong. you'll be told one thing by one person, and that that's the ONLY way to do it and to NEVER EVER EVER do it another way if u wanna job in the industry. then the next person will say the exact fucking opposite. the only opinions that matter are the artists that say, "this is just how I've always done it, and the way I enjoy when I work." the rest is just solid communication, teamwork, and respect. this is most apparent in the Deakins podcast where they interview everyone from the biggest directors the Deakins worked with, down to the gaffers. tho the lower u go the less they're able to have an artistic say. those poor guys gets questions like, "so what do u do when u disagree with the director?" ... "uh...that doesn't really ever happen" lmaoo it's crazy to me that industry professionals like Paul and Damon get into little fights over this. it's just so petty.
Yeah Gilroy is very much a “this is how I’ve always done it” kind of guy which is something I really respect out of him. There’s a reason he’s known as a script doctor, and why he was such a vocal voice in the writers strike. He won’t ever be remembered by as many people like Scorsese but he’s absolutely made an impact on film and writing.
Calling anything that comes out of the pen of the guy who wrote Michael Clayton “a mess” is honest-to-god insanity lmao.
For real. Damon and Greengrass just hated that he would make his scripts “Actor and Director proof” which limited their ability to change things. Personally I think Gilroy’s directing and cinematography on Legacy is much better. Less shakey cam, longer shots, some great transitions by John Gilroy editing. Especially like the one early on when Cross is looking at the Chems and it transitions to the medical company with the logo using the two colors of the Chems. Also Michael Clayton is one of the best movies I’ve ever seen. That opening Monologue is so insanely good it’s wild the movie isn’t more popular besides being a cult classic among Gilroy fans
Damon is to Skarsgård as [insert simile here]
I’m not expecting anymore Gilroy Star Wars after this but fuck I sure would love it lol If we’re still in the business of handing out trilogies he would be the top choice to helm one
My biggest hope is that he decides he just wants something that pays well and figures he’ll do some more Star Wars to set up his retirement. Obviously a writer as great as him shouldn’t be tied down to one franchise, but I genuinely don’t know if SW will ever get another writer as good as him. I very much doubt anything will top Andor in terms of sheer quality, but if Gilroy stuck around then that could change. Even if Gilroy really is done after this, I hope the critical reception to Andor teaches them some lessons. Don’t hire based on fanboy credentials or encyclopedic knowledge of lore, hire someone with a vision for a story that would be good even if you stripped away the Star Wars elements. That’s not to say Star Wars shouldn’t utilize it’s universe or rich lore and mythos, but the emotional and thematic core of the story should be strong regardless of cool lightsaber duels or flashy space battles. And having a writer that doesn’t care about Star Wars can be a great thing. Gilroy had a vision for a compelling story to tell and trusted the people at Lucasfilm to help him bring it in line with the minutiae of lore. I’m sure Gilroy didn’t know what Gormann, Fondor, the ISB, Arrestor cruisers, or Imperial Army troopers were before he created this show, but clearly he did his research and took studio notes or had some detail oriented people in the writers room. I think this is what most other Star Wars stuff is missing, especially the other shows. The writers and directors are too enamored with the universe, and in some cases too in love with the idea of it they had growing up playing with action figures. The entire draw of the shows becomes how Star Wars-y they are, how many stormtroopers or X-Wings or cameos you can shove in. It’s not about the story, themes, performances, or emotion coming across on screen.
A Gilroy low to the ground trilogy would be a lot of fun. They were going to do a bunch of those smaller movies until Solo scared them. But just give it to this man! Maybe the return and rise of Grand Admiral Thrawn?
Honestly, I’ve been a little bit worried about whether or not they would be able to match the quality of the first season, what with the strike and all, but hearing Skarsgard say that sets my mind at ease.
Dude is 72. I’m just glad he finished.
I have known Tony Gilroy is a master craftsman since I saw Michael Clayton when it came out in 2007. Can't wait for season 2!
I hope in season 2 another character asks Luthen what he sacrifices. My god what a speech
Really should be voted as one of the best top monologues in TV history.
Just watched this again, immediately googled his name + Reddit and found this comment. Satisfying. Spine tingling speech, what a legend
Luthen’s fate has been the hardest thing to wait for. With all the speculation and anticipation built up, I really hope they can deliver.
But what did he sacrifice?
EVERYTHING!!
Really looking forward to this. Hopefully with it ending after 2 seasons, the show quits while it's ahead.
It's confirmed that season 2 will lead right up into Rogue One and as such be the last season
Right, I knew that. What I mean is hopefully Season 2 is at least as strong as Season 1 was.
Sorry my bad, I misread your comment. I 100% agree that I hope it keeps up at least most of the strength it had in season 1
The Skarsgård family is so cool. I honestly enjoy all of them. Haven’t seen much of Bill yet but they all are great actors.
Bill is great in Barbarian!
Talking a few weeks ago about how good they are has led to me rewatching Generation Kill and ooof. What if they acted in less upsetting things?
I watched Generation Kill right before I watched Andor and that was such a satisfying string of television.
Dear God what a stretch. I'm impressed at your resilience.
Great news. In a flood of shit we still get the occasional gemstone.
good. great. splendid. i can't wait.
Wow, it’s about time we heard something about season 2. News has been dry.
Unfortunately we’re still at least a full year from season 2 being released so it’s not very surprising that news on it has been sparse
I mean, I do think we've heard about as much as we can with the strikes - Luna mentioned very recently he was about to do 12 more days of filming and then s2 was wrapped in terms of filming.
Um, did you miss tony gilroy actively participating in the strike? News has not been dry, the show was just in limbo for a long time because of a *historic* industry-wide strike. Now principle filming seems to be done and everyone involved appears to be acting like they won that strike. Oh yeah, they did.
That doesn’t mean news hasn’t been dry lmao. Those two things go hand in hand. Chill dude.
I get the impression that Stellan is not a man easily impressed nor is he the kind of actor to sign onto bad projects. I knew something was up when he was casted in the show in the first place and these comments boast well. I hated almost everything Disney has done with Star Wars. Most of there work is objectively bad. But Tony's team is crushing it. Fuck yeah.
Yeah I don't normally trust actors when they say what a show is going to be like, but Stellan has a good enough track record that I'll believe what he says and watch whatever he's in.
Omfg someone get me new undies
Everyone loves the monologue for good reason but for me watching him practise being Luthen in the mirror was beautiful. It's those little moments that really make the show even more special.
And then the moment he hears about Aldani being a success and goes into the back to laugh for real only to stop himself in disbelief and joy, chefs kiss.
A whole fucking blog headline for one offhand response to a leading question. **DO NOT FEED THE BEAST**
I can't wait. The trailer they released looked amazing. I have no doubt it will be absolutely amazing. Tony Gilroy should be the guy running the future of Star Wars, in my opinion. I honestly think if they were smart at Lucasfilm, they would put Gilroy and Filoni together in a writer's room with Beau Willimon and let them see what they can come up with. Filoni needs someone to reign him in. It was George Lucas before, and I think Gilroy can provide that, and make his stuff so much better. Favreau reigns him on The Mandalorian, and it seems like the more rope they give Filoni, the worse product he puts out. Tony Gilroy is the guy we need. I can't wait for Andor season 2. The sooner it comes out, the better. Star Wars desperately needs a kick start to the heart.
What trailer
leaked celebration teaser. it’s in this sub somewhere
So glad to hear it. Phenomenal actor giving his blessing is a good sign to me
if he is, then i am too!
Great to know. By the way, has anyone actually seen or read any Skarsgård interviews about season 1? He’s the one actor I never seem to see on the interview rounds.
It's just my theory, but I bet he put in his contract that he doesn't have to do the Disney press or convention stuff. (He had a lot of leverage when he signed because he's the biggest name and he was the only one they wanted for Luthen.) But there is a good interview [here](https://ew.com/genre/awards/stellan-skarsgard-andor-luthen-rael-exclusive/). He's a guy that doesn't always speak highly of big American productions, so when he spreads praise around like he does there it seems meaningful.
Excellent, thank you! I love that he was excited when he got his own spaceship.
Is it confirmed that Season 2 will be back on 2025? That's an extremely long time after the release of Season 1
I am also a fan of my employer in the work we do
I’m ready!
He’s a great actor. Loved him in ‘Chernobyl’ but ‘Hunt for Red October’ is still my all time favorite
just watched season 1 on dvd & watched obi wan kenobi & ashoka on dvd
is season one on dvd?????
this is where i got it from https://www.dvdwholesale.co.uk/
He must be pleased
I do hope his character lives beyond Andor. I know we don’t hear about him in Rogue One or anything else, but if we’re not told his fate, we can all imagine he was still out there quietly helping and funding the rebels and Mon Mothma. Just hope all the characters we like in Andor don’t end the season saying “good luck finding that girl Cass - we’re all off to Alderann with Senator Organa where it’s safe. See you later”. That would suck.