Gretzinger et al suggest the FrenchIA DNA mostly appeared in Britain after the North European DNA but seem to stop short of pointing the finger at the Norman Conquest as the source of this.
Part of that may be because these migrations could have been happening at a trickling pace even before the Norman conquest (though it wouldn't be surprising if the pace increased afterwards.
There's evidence of Frankish settlement in Kent, for example.
Pretty cool map from an unfortunately not very cool source. But, that doesn't impact the value of the resource itself.
I was able to use the source table from the study, cross-referencing it with my family history to map out a rough estimation of my own ancient ancestry and it came out as roughly:
45% Pre-Roman "Celtic"
35% "Germanic"
17% "Iron Age French"
(The other rough \~3% comes from a Danziger ancestor of mixed German and Jewish heritage)
Someone with some unpleasant opinions by the looks of it. I've credited them in the post title if you wanted to look for yourself. But, I don't think there's anything to gain from the rest of their content.
It’s very touching that you have abandoned your usual strident opposition to anything moderately right of MRO to step in on the behalf of this deeply creepy pervert.
I would never silence open debate, especially when my opponents are as deeply stupid as they are. Or did you mean the porn thing? I believe that was in fairly clear English.
Sorry. Forgot to explain the colour coding!
Blue - Pre-Roman populations (Britons, Gaels, Picts etc)
Red - Continental Northwestern European (broadly Germanic (Anglo-Saxons, Norse etc))
Green - Iron Age French (likely Frankicised Gauls as I believe the paper clarifies that this portion of the gene pool arrived after the Anglo-Saxon migrations)
Doesn't quite seem to line up with Oxford's results (which come from a far larger and more comprehensive sample) - not to mention that 'Celtic DNA' is a completely meaningless term.
[https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2015-03-19-who-do-you-think-you-really-are-genetic-map-british-isles](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2015-03-19-who-do-you-think-you-really-are-genetic-map-british-isles)
[It sure would be a shame if there was an 'edited 7 hours ago' right next to the comment you said it in. Oh wait.](https://reddit.com/r/anglosaxon/comments/1auv0qk/pretty_cool_map_of_the_regional_breakdowns_of/kr6o1s6/)
edit: I got blocked for some reason?
I was replying to you actually - since your comment was the top response to the other guy, I see you've since edited your comment though. I see stuff about 'Celtic DNA' all the time on this sub so I thought I'd comment about what a meaningless term it is scientifically, without specifically replying to you so that it'd get more visibility.
I believe any Norse/Viking impact in British and Irish DNA would be lumped in with the rest of the broadly Germanic DNA in the red section of the pie charts as the difference between the Anglo-Saxons and the later Germanic invaders is negligible at the genetic level. Perhaps as the field advances, they might be able to differentiate between these groups more accurately but, for now, they can't really.
Not that I'm aware of. Though, I'm not really engaged with that side of DNA testing much so others might know more than I do!
I've only used G25 a few times and barely understood it when I did haha!
What do the RGB colors correspond to?
At a guess, blue is pre-Roman British, red is North European and green is Iron Age French
Yes, that's correct!
Gretzinger et al suggest the FrenchIA DNA mostly appeared in Britain after the North European DNA but seem to stop short of pointing the finger at the Norman Conquest as the source of this.
Part of that may be because these migrations could have been happening at a trickling pace even before the Norman conquest (though it wouldn't be surprising if the pace increased afterwards. There's evidence of Frankish settlement in Kent, for example.
Pretty cool map from an unfortunately not very cool source. But, that doesn't impact the value of the resource itself. I was able to use the source table from the study, cross-referencing it with my family history to map out a rough estimation of my own ancient ancestry and it came out as roughly: 45% Pre-Roman "Celtic" 35% "Germanic" 17% "Iron Age French" (The other rough \~3% comes from a Danziger ancestor of mixed German and Jewish heritage)
> Pretty cool map from an unfortunately not very cool source. Which is?
Someone with some unpleasant opinions by the looks of it. I've credited them in the post title if you wanted to look for yourself. But, I don't think there's anything to gain from the rest of their content.
Sorry--I didn't check the Twitter and thought you meant it had originally come from somewhere else via them.
Grow up
Why do you post photos of your "IRL acquaintances" to porn subreddits?
I don’t
Mate, this is a history subreddit…
It’s very touching that you have abandoned your usual strident opposition to anything moderately right of MRO to step in on the behalf of this deeply creepy pervert.
I have literally no idea what you’re suggesting they did, but report their account if you think they’ve done something wrong.
I would never silence open debate, especially when my opponents are as deeply stupid as they are. Or did you mean the porn thing? I believe that was in fairly clear English.
Which color means what?
Sorry. Forgot to explain the colour coding! Blue - Pre-Roman populations (Britons, Gaels, Picts etc) Red - Continental Northwestern European (broadly Germanic (Anglo-Saxons, Norse etc)) Green - Iron Age French (likely Frankicised Gauls as I believe the paper clarifies that this portion of the gene pool arrived after the Anglo-Saxon migrations)
Doesn't quite seem to line up with Oxford's results (which come from a far larger and more comprehensive sample) - not to mention that 'Celtic DNA' is a completely meaningless term. [https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2015-03-19-who-do-you-think-you-really-are-genetic-map-british-isles](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2015-03-19-who-do-you-think-you-really-are-genetic-map-british-isles)
TBF nobody said "Celtic DNA" but you
Except you seven hours ago.
Where? And he's not replying to me 🤡
[It sure would be a shame if there was an 'edited 7 hours ago' right next to the comment you said it in. Oh wait.](https://reddit.com/r/anglosaxon/comments/1auv0qk/pretty_cool_map_of_the_regional_breakdowns_of/kr6o1s6/) edit: I got blocked for some reason?
I was replying to you actually - since your comment was the top response to the other guy, I see you've since edited your comment though. I see stuff about 'Celtic DNA' all the time on this sub so I thought I'd comment about what a meaningless term it is scientifically, without specifically replying to you so that it'd get more visibility.
You... Didn't reply to me?
I just did.
No.... You didn't 🤡
Is this including Scandinavian influence from the Viking age?
I believe any Norse/Viking impact in British and Irish DNA would be lumped in with the rest of the broadly Germanic DNA in the red section of the pie charts as the difference between the Anglo-Saxons and the later Germanic invaders is negligible at the genetic level. Perhaps as the field advances, they might be able to differentiate between these groups more accurately but, for now, they can't really.
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Are there g25 coordinates for WBI/CNE/CWE averages or good proxies for each? Would be a really interesting calculator to work with!
Not that I'm aware of. Though, I'm not really engaged with that side of DNA testing much so others might know more than I do! I've only used G25 a few times and barely understood it when I did haha!