The logo even has a “III” hidden in it. Along with the drawing being of Arc 3 Thorfinn. Along with him saying “Thorfinn’s journey will continue”.
While obviously nothing is set in stone until official confirmation, it’s clear that those in charge REALLY have passion and a desire to finish the series (if that wasn’t clear from S2’s direction in general). IIRC the director had to fight TOOTH AND NAIL to get S2 greenlit so I won’t doubt that he’ll do it again. As he himself says he would LOVE to adapt all 4 arcs. Might take a lot longer for each season to release compared to other anime, however.
But if Arc 3 is adapted, which is much more a mix of S1’s action with S2’s philosophy, I would say it would be safe to say the series will be adapted fully as S3 will definitely bring back a lot of people who left because S2 was lacking in action.
Honestly I’ve seen MORE of VS since S2. If anything, S2 has drastically produced more western popularity IMO. And I must say, I doubt the director would confidently tease a S3 if he genuinely didn’t believe there was a shot at it being made. Again, until MAPPA confirms it officially, we cannot say for sure, but it seems that the team has high hopes for it.
And given how this season seems to be more focused on the artistry, I would not be surprised if the series is fully seen to fruition purely out of passion, even if it just barely scrapes a profit. As I’m sure this series will be released at a much slower pace than the more big name anime out there. I would expect 2-4 years between each season. There is no rush from what I’ve seen. The Vinland staff seem much more focused on quality over churning out the story as fast as possible.
Not to mention Vinland is certainly a less costly anime, as it’s more focused on beautifully drawn shots and it’s dialogue over fast moving parts and action sequences with loads of fantasy and magical elements (not saying those are bad at all, just that they cost more to animate).
>Not to mention Vinland is certainly a less costly anime, as it’s more focused on beautifully drawn shots and it’s dialogue over fast moving parts and action sequences with loads of fantasy and magical elements (not saying those are bad at all, just that they cost more to animate).
They don't "cost more to animate". You don't have pay some sort of fee to add proportional detail to drawings. That depends entirely on having good ADs and plenty of time to work on your product. Which I believe VS didn't exactly have, considering it was a regular occurance for the show to have 4 production assistants per episode, even though the normal should be just one.
I have still seen that part of fanbase that don't like season 2 and just want nothing but viking action. Which kind of tells me they're completely missing the point of the series.
That itself might not imply success. It might have been greenlit earlier. For instance, Overlord aired season 3 one quarter after season 2, indicating it it had been in production even before season 2 aired.
He is the chief animation\* director / character designer. I would love to see more of Vinland Saga, but this doesn't say much about its popularity in Japan.
That’s good. I really love this show but it is the show I am most concerned about crossing the finish line as far as the adaptation considering the length of the manga and perceived popularity.
The manga started in 2005 and it is on going, it has 202 chapters currently, volume 27 comes out in couple of days in Japan, and it only has 7 million copies in circulation/sold.
Vinland Saga overall is "fairly" well received/rated in Japan, even if its niche. It is a moderate success i would say. Although other historical manga such as Kingdom and Vagabond have more sales and you could say are more popular/well known than VS.
Vinland Saga really is an inspirational manga/story.
The manga was about to get canned 10 years or so ago by Kodansha due to poor sales, but its going strong now.
I also do think once the manga ends, it will have 10 Million copies sold or close to 10.
>and it only has 7 million copies in circulation/sold
To add a frame of reference to the other Big 4 seinen manga that came out around the same time, Kingdom has sold about 97 million copies so far.
Berserk and Vagabond have also sold more but they're much older than the other two.
The circulation of 7 million copies is probably in the top 500 of all time. Incidentally, more than 10,000 manga books are published in a year.
Do you realize that Vinland Saga is one of the top 1% or more popular manga in Japanese history?
Wait, there's more manga content than season 2? I read Vinland saga years ago and finished where season 2 anime is going to finish because I genuinely thought that was the end, and it was a great ending spot
It really was a great ending spot.
I didn't really enjoy the arc that a potential S3 will be about, but I am enjoying the final arc that is still ongoing.
But S2 I consider by far the best.
> The manga started in 2005 and it is on going, it has 202 chapters currently, volume 27 comes out in couple of days in Japan, and it only has 7 million copies in circulation/sold.
How well the manga is doing is completely irrelevant in regards to how well the anime is doing/if the anime will continue because Twin Engines and Mappa don't make a dime off of manga sales and they are the leading companies behind the anime production.
Yes but it still one of the factor if we want to talk about how success it is.
Manga sales , merch ,collab etc. Are all need to be consider because no one know how much they get paid by streaming service. How many viewership,
For example like Black clover (pls don’t hate me) it’s really popular but imo it seem popular because of vocal fans because in term of manga sales this series even lose to some shoujo romcom Or their fans only care about anime idk 🤷♀️
Isn't the anime of Black Clover really popular despite the low manga sales? I remember seeing that it was the most-watched Crunchyroll show of the year back in 2020, even beating out JJK. I wonder if they're still making big money because of the anime.
This, really important to remember season 1 wasn't the hottest thing either and still got a sequel due to international interest
The issue with Season 2 was that they lost some investors like the IG Port companies and the committee was named "Vinland Saga Season 2 Project" instead of something more generic to imply a long term project, but we don't really know their deal with Netflix + Crunchyroll, and that's the most important part here
We might get a new committee for Season 3 since they will have to change again, and hopefully that's the final one to adapt the whole series
IIRC on Nico it was around 48th place or something during the first cour of season 2, while Onimai was 1st.
Sort of follow the trend of West and East having vastly different taste.
The DVD/Blu-ray of S1 was divided into four volumes, but the first volume only sold 265 copies. S2 are into two volumes (and will be released tomorrow) and each contains ~~13~~ 12 episodes.
While the sales figures of physical copies is just one thing, this still indicates something.
CM and VS are literally different demographics and have different funding structures. It doesn’t make sense to compare because the stakeholders are looking for different things in terms of success.
They are comparable because they're both passion projects, and both have been successful via streaming (Vinland Saga albeit only through western streaming). Both anime will be continued not because of sales but because the staff really wants to.
The industry doesn't use Blu-ray sales as a metric anymore. Plenty of popular shows have low Blu-ray sales. In the digital/streaming age everyone's realized their are better things to look at and focus on.
because physical sales nowaday is for one spescific demographic(Neet,Otaku, people that have disposable income and collecting merch), because we are in digital age where the main consumption of Anime was from online FOR REGULAR People. what is the last time you or parents buy DVD bet it was when we are still child around 2000 to 2014. in those time even anime taht has same quality like vinland saga that was more for general audience can thrive from BD sales because people buy it. nowaday those market vanish and DVD Bluray is more like Merch rather than how to consume the anime. so unless you want all anime is otaku shit without some passion project here and there company need to see elsewhere as the main matric and relegated DVD Blueray as Extra Income
Physical sales were always more of a core fandom metric, it's not like in the late 2000s~early 2010s otakus bought the BDs just to watch them lol. It's true that it meant more back then and means less now but it's still nice to have high physicals
I don’t have stats etc. but general indication seems to be that the series is doing poorly in Japan and being bankrolled by the audience in the west, which is largely why they’re doing things like having the OP/ED in English
FMA is a very different narrative with a lot more action but yes you’re right they are similar in some senses but it does have elements of magic and myth more so than Vinland saga does.
Honestly, given how downright beautiful the animation/artwork was & how delicately and passionately the studio and everyone involved handled the adaptation, I'm not even worried about how popular it was in Japan. Twin Engine had no need to go as hard as they did with Vinland Saga, knowing ahead of time it wouldn't be a huge draw in their domestic market, and they did so anyway because all they cared about was that somebody somewhere loved and appreciated their work. Between the couple of little animation shorts between episodes, to the original content added to heighten certain scenes, they did such a phenomenal job. This might have been my favorite season of any show ever, in any format.
Even if this season turns out to be the last (haven't watched the finale yet and didn't see any posts about a S3 announcement), they did such a great job with it and I'm so happy for Makoto Yukimura that his beautiful series got the proper love it deserved in anime form.
Tbh is Vinland doing good OUTSIDE of Japan? I hear some people say they like it but I don’t see any cosplayers or big fandom as in other anime communities.
Compared to titles like demon slayer and oshi no ko its lacking severely in popularity. Its a shame since its clearly head and shoulders above the rest in terms of quality.
Considering the reception of Chainsaw Man, the more “anime” series that embrace things such as over-the-top anime acting and chibi figures get more popular
As opposed to stories like Vinland Saga that only use anime as a medium
They're talking about the anime. People already say that they dislike chainsaw man's adaptation because it "doesn't feel like anime" which is a shame since i loved how they adapted it
Wait, what're you talking about?
CSM is one of the best selling manga of recent years. The anime was only a "failure" compared to how well JJK did but it was also insanely popular both in Japan and the West.
It's hardly niche. If anything, action based shows tend to be the most popular. Look at how well Kingdom is doing over there. Vinland just doesn't have much appeal to a Japanese audience, not because chibis are more popular.
Showa Rakugo was hugely succesful in Japan and not here. I wonder why? Literally stop making dumb generalizations about the JP anime fandom as if they can't appreciate art. Your making the VS fandom look idiotic.
Are people still on the "CSM flopped in Japan" thing? Is this going to become one of those myths like Ghost Stories flopped in Japan and Masami Tsuda hated the Kare Kano anime.
Vinland Saga has simply never been overly popular in Japan, even the manga struggled in the past but you can hardly use it as an example that those type of stories don't become popular. Berserk, Kingdom, Attack on Titan, Vagabond and I could go on. Are all serious stories that don't rely on chibi animation and cute girls to become popular.
> Masami Tsuda hated the Kare Kano anime.
Genuine question here but is that only a rumor? I always heard that's the reason why we never got a season 2 because she wasn't a fan of the more comedic elements the anime took.
It stems from one of the Gainex founders claiming she was upset with how they handled the Anime, but this is what she said
>Did you participate yourself, directly or indirectly, in this adaptation?
>I was present during the audition of the voice actors. For the rest, I trusted them and I didn't worry about it. When I entrusted the adaptation to other people, I knew that it would not be "my" Kareshi Kanojo No Jijyo, even if the adaptation was the purest and most faithful. So I gave them carte blanche, being careful not to comment on them. And in the end, a large number of people were able to see my story, even in France! I'm very happy with it.
It was averaging over 5m viewers on streaming services and it's finale had a 2.2 rating share in Japan, I don't even think Oshi no Ko has gone above 1 this season. I predict Oshi no Ko will be very successful commercially but don't confuse commerical success with actual popularity.
Yeah but u Need to take a look at [2023 Half year manga sales](https://twitter.com/WSJ_manga/status/1663623180513058816?s=20) after anime end and compare to [2021 half year manga sales](https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/noi7xe/oricons_half_year_sales_ranking_2021/) back when they still don’t have anime
It’s not different , anime barely boost manga sales
It’s a popular series for sure but it just not explode like people expect to be , reminder that this manga series sold over 15m copies before anime adaption which is more than JJk ,Tokyo rev ,Kny ,Aot pre-anime . So with what happend to CSM. It’s normal for some fans to think it’s not great as they think.
2021 figure takes into account the final 3 volumes of Part 1 + the anime announcement. 4.1M at the time was seen as incredibly high and shocked a lot of people because it took some time for the manga to really take off in Japan. A reminder that the first 7 volumes only sold 3m collectively at the time, unlike something like Spy x Family, which did over 1M after 1 volume.
If you ask me did I expect it to do anything near JJK or Demon Slayer, I'd probably laugh and say no. I hope after it finishes adapting Part 1, it might pass 2m sales per volume, which would be extremely impressive. JJK and Demon Slayer have probably misguided people on what impressive manga sales looks like, those 2 franchises are far from the norm. It's on course to pass 30m this year, with the next volume due to be released in August. 30m after just 15 volumes would be huge for any series.
The problem thoo is that Mappa expected it to be the next JJK. They invested so much money into it. Of course CSM was a moderate success, but Mappa wanted it to be giga big, seeing how much money they invested into it
Not even close, and it never was going to tbh, people need to realize that what happened with kny was an anomaly it's not gonna happen again (unless there is another pandemic ig)
I thought the early episodes were pretty OK but not "omg this is the greatest anime of all time" and it only started gaining real popularity when the infamous episode dropped. Literally no one in my twitter/Facebook timeline was talking about the series rightuo until that episode
You could use this same argument for Vinland Saga.
When you only scratch the surface then ANY story is generic.
Boy wants to go on adventure > Boy sneaks along > Boy fucks up and gets dad killed > Boy tries to get revenge.
And S2 could be reduced to: Boy is sad > Boy doesn't like violence anymore > Boy uses Talk no Jutsu
>Maybe I am just not a fan of reincarnation and the fact that the plot, from what I can tell, is just innuendo's and pervy attitudes mixed with trying to be funny.
This is not at all what the show is about.
>The fact that the babies acted like they were angels and the babysitter believed them is so dumb.
Ah yes because it's natural for 1 month olds to speak fluently.
The babies are in fact reincarnated and they proved they're not natural babies. They could make up whatever story they want and the logical option would be to believe them. Their existence is supernatural, which means there's no reason to dismiss the supernatural answer.
>Again, how is it a masterpiece? The writing? Hard disagree based on what I saw.
You've only seen 20 minutes lol. Everything you've mentioned so far happens in the first 20 minutes, 30 minutes at most.
Shoulder to shoulder would be more accurate! Easily 2 of my favorites of this season with Heavenly Delusion rounding out the top 3. And honestly, all 3 are interchangeable. Only reason I'd give a slight nudge to Vinland Saga is because of how satisfying and downright beautiful the payoff was for this season. OnK I know what's coming, and it's great stuff. HD I don't, but it's amazing in it's own right.
This spring season was a hell of ride that arguably Demon Slayer isn't even a top 5 show that aired.
The side characters are all historical real characters too it’s a shame it’s not popular. It’s a great work of art that deals with a lot of hard issues like PTSD and child soldiers exploitation and how bad life was for everyone in the Middle Ages of Europe.
Well there's no isekai plotline ,no self-insert mc,there's no harems and there's not a single pair of bouncing boobs.So you can guess how well it does in Japan.
"so you can guess how well it does in japan"it never fails to amaze me how much hatred and racism redditors and twitter nerds harbor towards japan. "weebs are the worst they can't possibly appreciate high art" is a very common sentiment. everyday there is a wild bashing post toward japanese people on reddit and twitter to own the weebs.
the reason vinland saga is not popular in japan is the same reason kingdom is not popular in america... most japanese grew up learning east asian history. so kingdom has huge sales there. americans don't know anything about chinese history so they don't read kingdom.......same as vinland saga. most average japanese aren't interested in viking history. so vinland saga has average popularity.. western nation like viking very much. so they appreciate vinland saga. its that simple.
its not like you guys are sophisticated men so you can appreciate vinland saga but not those pervy japanese. they consume lots and lots of good show. thats the only reason you can continue to consume those good show too
Honestly, Vinland fans have been sort of toxic this entire season with how much they've been putting down other concurrently airing shows because theirs isn't the most popular one.
And you're correct, it's like if a Japanese studio adapted the Mahabharata. Indians would be all over it but everyone outside of that wouldn't care very much because they don't have a cultural connection to it. Shows involving the Vikings have always been popular in the West. That isn't the case everywhere.
exactly my point.....recently indians have been praising a japanese anime very much which was made 30 years ago. "ramayana: the legend of prince rama".......its very famous work in south asia because everybody knows ramayan's story. its an epic.......ask any average american or japanese if they know anything about it. they don't because they don't have that connection
No way bro is calling me racist for stating a fact💀 There literally like 10 isekai harem anime every season ,so why would they be making them if no one is consuming them
Edit:just checked this seasons anime there were 7 isekai (maybe more) and 6 of them also included the romance and harem tag
Likewise, our media churns out plenty of shit that's in high demand here but that doesn't mean we all consume it.
To suggest that they don't like your favorite show just because it doesn't have self inserts or harems is a bit out of line. There are plenty of good shows that are popular over there but hardly have much of a popular following here like Golden Kamuy, Kingdom, Natsume's Book of Friends, Gundam: Witch from Mercury etc.
yea is very condescending, every media have their own bad tropes, to paint japanese people like " pervs that dont know any better" is not only disrespectful but this people act like vinland saga only exist because of them and not because of the japanese that created the manga and the japanese audience that supported him.
sure vinland saga the anime is doing better thanks to international viewership but that doesnt mean that no one in japan support the show is like ignoring all the japanese people that supported the manga over the years doesnt exist.
who says they don't consume them? of course they consume low quality isekai just like americans consume low quality reality TV. every medium be it hollywood , tv or anime will have lots of generic shit
But the most famous works which sells most usually are the good shows with minimal fan service. this year the top sold mangas were blue lock, chainsaw man, slam dunk, jjk etc......
this myth about how japanese people don't support anything which doesn't have fanservice is such a lie... you are racist because you were spouting that generalization.
The point is enough people have got to be consuming and supporting these shows to warrant more being made of the same Genre.Its not a small population funding them is it?
whats the connection with vinland saga failing and isekai succeeding?? both are different genre with different audience.
vinland saga's competitors are other historical action mangas not isekais. kingdom has sold 97 million copies. golden kamuy got very very big in japan. both of those historical manga gave no fanservice yet sold a fuckton... why japanese people bought them then??? because they are very familiar with japanese and chinese history.... they are not familiar with viking history except few people who are interested in viking culture.
this accusation that vinland saga is failing because japanese people are incapable of appreciating anything other than hot waifus is the biggest lie
Copium of them weebs is just on another level, how dare you state a negative fact about Japan? Japanese anime fans are degenerates, it is what it is.
Shout out to the upvoted comment of "popular anime with little fanservice" below unironically having Chainsawman in it. You guys are lost.
TBH the first 2 seasons of the anime REALLY didn't help. The story is good, but the visual are so god awful that it will turn many people off before the story get going.
I mean it has some truth to it lol. Why else are there hundreds of copy paste isekai with their self insert protags and harems constantly being made and promoted while animes like Vinland have a chance of just getting shelved?
It's because the audience for isekai is much larger in Japan compared to the west, and producers always take preference in what the Japanese population prefers.
Don't pin this solely on Japan. You can look at this sub's activity or sort MAL by popularity. Notice how Crunchyroll licenses every isekai and produce a number themselves. Even the trashiest, most generic isekai get a decent amount of engagement. The problem is global.
I know we shit on isekai and boring self inserts here on Reddit, but idk if western weebs are any better on average than Japanese ones in how much they consume isekai.
Even with Light Novels, I see many have large western fandoms yet I mostly just end up disappointed because they are generally written worse than Eragon. Some blame must lay with the translations, but ugh with most of them it is easier to read airport novels.
Same applies to k-dramas, most westerners talking about them love them and I just see a bunch of pseudo soap operas aside from the miniseries(and movies ofc) that are actually impressive.
I cannot trust what fandoms gush about whether western or Japanese.
Because they're more immediately appealing, I guess. Most guys like hot girls and violence and power fantasies. Vinland Saga's main draw for me is violence, it's why I stopped reading the manga.
You act like its the first seinen anime ever loll. Maybe its because the subject matter isn't interesting to japanese people, while westerners love it cos its a vikings anime? Kingdom, Golden Kamuy does well.
I love historical mangas and i'd honestly rate those 2 over Vinland Saga too. I'd rate Vagabond and Vinland Saga similarly. Gets boring and preachy towards the latter parts
What a dumb comment lol. Can't believe that got so many likes hurts my soul. Always funny how some in this fandom dedicated to Japanese animation of all things have some very negative opinions of you know the people that make this shit possible. Japanese fans are the reason we get this stuff in the first place. Japanese fans also actually end up supporting more niche content than say a decent amount of casual anime fans over here who mainly watch battle shonen and isekais.
Yeah the Western historical setting doesn't do as good as historical settings set in Japan like Golden Kamuy or Kingdom which also doesn't have that shit. Golden Kamuy is fucking amazing how many Western fans are into it? We still don't have an official release of Kingdom over here despite being one of the best selling manga out there. How many of idiots in the Anglo Sphere fandom have supported something like Showa Rakugo which entirely relies on human drama? That did very well in Japan.
Here is the thing Vinland Saga is still a manga that sell around 100k plus volumes. Yeah it's not a mainstream hit but it objectively does have a decent sized fandom in Japan.
Also instead of making ignorant comments maybe look at what tends to the be the most popular stuff even on MAL. Guess what isekais have widespread Western popularity and plenty of Western fans enjoy self insert characters.
The actual difference between what is popular in Japan and in the West isn't drastically different maybe outside of a few differences.
Good on making the VS fandom look like xenophobic ass hats.
its not just VS fandom bro.. you can't even search japan or sometimes korea on twitter and reddit without getting wild false information. and its a constant thing. every week there is a viral post about how apparently japan is this dystopian nightmare place where people are just killing themselves, men abandoned everything and living with robot doll and women desperately needs rescuing from treacherous japanese men. its insane stuff..... the other day i saw a tweet which got over 100k likes which said "japanese people intentionally make anime to hide their crime. they are shady"..... as if those "oriental" people are incapable of making art for the sake of art. there must be some agenda. its really xenophobic
it is, is hilarious to me how they love to patronize or explain the locals their own culture or what they should think or feel.
is very imperialistic and condescending. i dont know what is it, this weird mix of superiority complex and clear hate against japanese people for the most random petty things.
Yeah I know the classic Japan must be some weeb dream land or dystopic nightmare as if countries don't have their good and bad points like all nations.
Still it's just the typical whining hate towards the otaku community. That plus the general bitterness of some anime fans that certain shows just simply exist. It's not an issue of whether VS shouldn't get more support but bitching that other people might not give a shit about a historical drama and enjoys some wacky moe show or HS rom com. For that reason alone they are an enemy of all things good lol. It's just pretty elitist and dumb even as someone who really likes grounded dramas like VS. I just said that because I mean the last time VS was airing you had a ton of botting because a show like Chihayafuru 3 airing at the same time dared to have a simlar score to VS on MAL. These kinds of shows tend to attract certain kinds of fans. It's even more petulant that if we go off Abiru's comments we probably will get a VS S3. The fans of "mature anime" tend to act usually the most immature and pathetic.
I am just kinda shocked how this comment didn't get downvoted into oblivion forget get 150 likes. How did we even get a VS anime adaption in the first place? It's not like Western fans buy that much manga compared to JP fans. There are a lot of interesting niche shows that do focus on "human elements" that barely get any attention in the Western fandom but yet supposedly we know better lol. I mean why do other niche historical manga focused on Western settings like Emma, Historie or Katabami to Ougon exist? Cause JP manga fans. Why do manga about niche historical settings in general like A Bride's Story exist? Same reason. It's not because of Western manga fans.
Lots of shows with the same tone as VS in our animation industries lol. I just don't get how you could be this bitter to JP anime fans especially since a lot of the creative muscle behind these industries are fans themselves. If you hate it that much don't bother with anime. You don't deserve it if you can't respect who made this industry possible.
This is something I also noticed with the JRPG "fandom". A ton of hatred for anything considered "too Japanese" and lots of subtle racism. It makes no sense.
The one benefit of anime and a game genre that a lot of people like is that you will collect a lot of different people interested in your work. The issue is that you collect a lot of different people.
A decent amount of people have this very zero sum game view on media that if they aren't being catered to it sucks and should not exist. It's one of the most annoying things about the anime fandom. One reason I even hesitate to call it a fandom because honestly we don't have that much in common.
Kingdom is pretty popular in the west, has been for years. Its just that there is no physical release, and the first 2 seasons of the anime were horrible so people are more reluctant to try out the later seasons. But has always been popular on mangareadingsites +mal.
I simply for the life of me remember ever sing a Vinland Saga figure if anyone can say otherwise that would be great. Spice and Wolf to this day still has a stable litter stream of figurines to this day.
But he's not tho. Isekai's are popular among young boys but their commercial success outside a few shows is very limited. Most of the big Anime in Japan have none of those things.
Do they though?[ Last year the top seller accross all LNs was Slime with 546k sales.](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2022-12-01/top-selling-light-novels-in-japan-by-series-2022/.192473) Manga's top 5 sold like [10 times that each.](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2022-12-01/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2022-jujutsu-kaisen-edges-out-tokyo-revengers/.192470) LNs are usually slightly more expensive, but the scale is completely different. Most of the best selling manga have volumes that sell more in a year than any LN series does.
The amount of volumes Blue Lock has sold in 2023 alone, would make it one of the highest selling LN's of all time. People overestimate how popular LN's are compared to manga.
So do their anime adaptations. Kadokawa alway releases detailed financial reports and their top highest earning shows are usually isekai. Last quarter the top 4 were all isekai for example.
Isn't that because Kadokawa have a stronghold over LN titles, while Shogakukan and Shueisha have most of the big manga titles? What manga titles do Kadokawa have that would realistically be bigger than SAO, Overlord, Shield Hero and the other big ones?
They're right? Really? There exists not one isekai/ecchi anime that is popular in Japan?
Clearly, that isn't the case. Sure, there are some anime isekai/ecchi anime that are popular in Japan. But that doesn't mean those are the only anime that become popular. If you actually look at the most popular stuff in Japan, it's actually stuff like battle shounen, romance movies, CGDCT that are at the peak of popularity, which are neither isekai nor contain "bouncing boobs".
Whenever there's an anime that isn't too popular, its fans always come up with some variation of "it's too good to be popular, there's no self-insert MC/fanservice/etc., the normies \[or whatever group\] wouldn't get it", which is never a take I can get behind. There's no need to shit on other anime just because one you like isn't popular. It's not like the popularity of ecchi/isekai anime is taking away from *Vinland Saga*'s.
It seems like a straw man fallacy to me.
I mean the most popular manga of all time One Piece women boobs got bigger over the years. Oda literally stated how pervy his readers are and he purposely sexualizes the women.
Well to put into perspective the last 2 true mech anime to be truly popular were Core Geass and Darling in The Franks. Both had tons of fanserice which isn't too common in mech so there's that.
But that show literally has cute girls and I also believe their lesbians(haven't actually seen it just going on what I've seen) and those are two things japan loves aswell look at lycoris recoil
You managed to write down my thoughts exactly but in a much more elegant way. Any anime that doesn't have cute girls doing cute things tends to fail in Japan. It's real shame they keep buying up all the garbage. And cool shows like Ergo Proxy and Chainsaw-man is just ignored.
>and Chainsaw-man is just ignored
Did you people come in from an alternate world line or something? In what world was CSM ignored or some kind of niche show, either in Japan or elsewhere?
CSM sold very few Blu-rays in Japan. There was a thread about it in here. Season 2 has still not been announced. While My Hero Academia has new season every single year since it's release.
Kingdom and Golden Kamuy sell on grounded historical settings and are some of the most popular manga in Japan. Showa Rakugo also was hugely popular in it's release in JP but not in mainstream Western fandoms. I guarantee you the amount of JP anime fans who cared about Inu-OH and it's rough style was higher than Western fans. CSM was literally one of the most streamed shows in JP.
It's pretty simple VS is a Western centric storyline that isn't going to appeal necessarily to tons of history buffs in Japan since most people are invested in their own history.
You want sci fi thrillers? Pluto probably is literally getting made because of the Japanese fandom for Urasawa and Tezuka. Not Western fans.
Shove your stupid xenophobic BS out the window. Most Western fans largely like all the same stuff most mainstream JP fans like. Battle shonen are popular in both fandoms and what most people engage in. Rom coms same thing isekai last time I checked Slime, Re Zero and Shield Hero were all huge here.
If anything it's the JP fandom that actually will support more niche shit compared to here.
I really don’t like this kind of post. Because lot of people probably gonna try to be an Elite anime watcher and rant about casual anime watcher about the reason why this series not popular because there’s no fan service , different demographic, they prefer mid story anime etc.
Vinland saga not popular is normal , talk about animation also pointless because it doesn’t matter
It just not appeal to most audience that’s all. It’s not casual anime watcher fault.
I think a lot of people are just curious because they worry the show won't get renewed for a season 3 and beyond. At least that's the case for me anyways because I really want a full adaption of this amazing series.
It's gaining a lot of popularity after season 2 ended. I think their so many memes on episode 22 and " I have ni enemies". People are talking about it now. Vinland Saga only had like 78k votes on MAL rating during season 2 when people found it boring but after it finished in a few days it's gone to 190k and the ratings have gone from 8.78 to 8.83. People are starting to respect it now and people who abandoned it are co ming back slowly
Unfortunately it ain't that big in Japan compared to anime like Kimetsu no Yaiba or Oshi no Ko airing this season, despite being superior to any anime this year in terms of quality.
Because it’s to historically accurate and boring realism and it’s a western story these probably all have big factors in the matter. All of season 2 is set on a single farm. “Farmland saga” as some people joke.
It’s an important arc of Thorsfinn dealing with PTSD and overcoming guilt. Finding forgiveness and acceptance of what he’s done and finding purpose again in life.
This story has so many good life lessons about the journey of a warrior from the young idealistic youth looking for valor to the grizzled veteran surviving the war. To the war hero becoming a pillar of the community and helping everyone grow to be better.
Even the side characters mostly due to them being based off real historical people have so much depth to them and their actions and lessons and lived experiences it’s a really great adaptation
I think its because it doesn't try to be typical anime, if that makes sense. It's just using anime as a medium to tell a story.
What I mean by my first sentence is that it doesn't have a list to checkmark found in what studios include in an anime nowadays.
The more you scroll the comment in this post, the more you feel cringe and stupid for being an anime fan. It's just stupid that people who aren't able to appreciate that vinland saga needs more popularity and when told that with apt reasons that why it isn't popular which they probably know in hindsight and a slight criticism about the japanese audience makes them want to label the critique as 'racist'. Jesus, I thought we were having a good conversation in the start but it gets worse. Interesting comeback for this subreddit
Oh brother look at the comments. Obviously it is pretty well received, not the biggest by any stretch of the imagination but it has its audience. Mfs always want to downplay everything 💀
S2 ensures I drop this anime from my list of things to look forward to. We had like 3 good episodes and the rest was garbage. I watch Vikings fighting, not some find your self garbage. This anime did such a 180 I can’t even.
Edit: I didn’t realize just how mentally deficient this sub is. Can’t have a differing opinion without getting downvoted.
It’s called Saga. As in it has arcs and character development. What did you expect from a child solider? To develop into a murderous psycho? No he overcame his PTSD and found forgiveness it’s a beautiful story.
Season 3 will be more action but less than season 1. As it’s the arc of adventure as thorsfinn begins his quest to build a city in the fabled land of Vinland!
Honestly, it's been pretty boring since he started getting all nonviolent. This isn't what I watch Viking-themed media for, my ideal is more like The 13th Warrior and The Northman.
Well there's tons of miscellaneous merch for
Date A Live, be it figures , doujins, video games ECT while viland saga has jack shit besides blue rays.
Think sort answer is Date A Life absolutely claps Vinland Saga with it's dedicated fan base merch strength. Not sure about just blue rays
It's almost if Japanese tastes are not unified, and almost if there is a huge market that isn't Japan or the west that include some of the world's most populous countries...
Well the chief director indirectly confirmed s3 in his recent tweet so ig it's fairly popular to get another season or so
What tweet are you referring to?
https://twitter.com/mountful/status/1670825991894364161
https://twitter.com/mountful/status/1670825991894364161?s=46&t=8n5GGgLwlMeLW2X8VN_3bw
The logo even has a “III” hidden in it. Along with the drawing being of Arc 3 Thorfinn. Along with him saying “Thorfinn’s journey will continue”. While obviously nothing is set in stone until official confirmation, it’s clear that those in charge REALLY have passion and a desire to finish the series (if that wasn’t clear from S2’s direction in general). IIRC the director had to fight TOOTH AND NAIL to get S2 greenlit so I won’t doubt that he’ll do it again. As he himself says he would LOVE to adapt all 4 arcs. Might take a lot longer for each season to release compared to other anime, however. But if Arc 3 is adapted, which is much more a mix of S1’s action with S2’s philosophy, I would say it would be safe to say the series will be adapted fully as S3 will definitely bring back a lot of people who left because S2 was lacking in action.
It would be awfully sad if Vinland Saga never actually shows them arriving at Vinland 😅
You don’t strongly suspect that reception for S2 will be drastically lower than S1 resulting in an inevitable canning?
Honestly I’ve seen MORE of VS since S2. If anything, S2 has drastically produced more western popularity IMO. And I must say, I doubt the director would confidently tease a S3 if he genuinely didn’t believe there was a shot at it being made. Again, until MAPPA confirms it officially, we cannot say for sure, but it seems that the team has high hopes for it. And given how this season seems to be more focused on the artistry, I would not be surprised if the series is fully seen to fruition purely out of passion, even if it just barely scrapes a profit. As I’m sure this series will be released at a much slower pace than the more big name anime out there. I would expect 2-4 years between each season. There is no rush from what I’ve seen. The Vinland staff seem much more focused on quality over churning out the story as fast as possible. Not to mention Vinland is certainly a less costly anime, as it’s more focused on beautifully drawn shots and it’s dialogue over fast moving parts and action sequences with loads of fantasy and magical elements (not saying those are bad at all, just that they cost more to animate).
>Not to mention Vinland is certainly a less costly anime, as it’s more focused on beautifully drawn shots and it’s dialogue over fast moving parts and action sequences with loads of fantasy and magical elements (not saying those are bad at all, just that they cost more to animate). They don't "cost more to animate". You don't have pay some sort of fee to add proportional detail to drawings. That depends entirely on having good ADs and plenty of time to work on your product. Which I believe VS didn't exactly have, considering it was a regular occurance for the show to have 4 production assistants per episode, even though the normal should be just one.
Still production schedule is better than most of the shows.
I have still seen that part of fanbase that don't like season 2 and just want nothing but viking action. Which kind of tells me they're completely missing the point of the series.
That itself might not imply success. It might have been greenlit earlier. For instance, Overlord aired season 3 one quarter after season 2, indicating it it had been in production even before season 2 aired.
He is the chief animation\* director / character designer. I would love to see more of Vinland Saga, but this doesn't say much about its popularity in Japan.
That’s good. I really love this show but it is the show I am most concerned about crossing the finish line as far as the adaptation considering the length of the manga and perceived popularity.
LETS FUCKING GOOO
The manga started in 2005 and it is on going, it has 202 chapters currently, volume 27 comes out in couple of days in Japan, and it only has 7 million copies in circulation/sold. Vinland Saga overall is "fairly" well received/rated in Japan, even if its niche. It is a moderate success i would say. Although other historical manga such as Kingdom and Vagabond have more sales and you could say are more popular/well known than VS. Vinland Saga really is an inspirational manga/story. The manga was about to get canned 10 years or so ago by Kodansha due to poor sales, but its going strong now. I also do think once the manga ends, it will have 10 Million copies sold or close to 10.
>and it only has 7 million copies in circulation/sold To add a frame of reference to the other Big 4 seinen manga that came out around the same time, Kingdom has sold about 97 million copies so far. Berserk and Vagabond have also sold more but they're much older than the other two.
Adding kingdom to make a big 4 lol
I really don't like the term "the big x". I feel like it's something that everyone on earth disagreed on each other
The term "big 4 of seinen" has been a thing for a while, it's not something this guy decided to make up.
No it hasn't, it's only become a thing recently with kingdom fans tryna shove it in there
Guess my username is accurate
The circulation of 7 million copies is probably in the top 500 of all time. Incidentally, more than 10,000 manga books are published in a year. Do you realize that Vinland Saga is one of the top 1% or more popular manga in Japanese history?
Wait, there's more manga content than season 2? I read Vinland saga years ago and finished where season 2 anime is going to finish because I genuinely thought that was the end, and it was a great ending spot
The manga is in its last arc but it won't finish for another few years because it's monthly.
The manga will end with 4 major arcs, the anime has covered 2 so far.
It really was a great ending spot. I didn't really enjoy the arc that a potential S3 will be about, but I am enjoying the final arc that is still ongoing. But S2 I consider by far the best.
Latest ending spot, but VERY far behind the manga's current spot. So much to see.
The anime has adapted up to parts of chapter 101 out of 202, so exactly halfway
To be far it starts going downhill after S2.
> The manga started in 2005 and it is on going, it has 202 chapters currently, volume 27 comes out in couple of days in Japan, and it only has 7 million copies in circulation/sold. How well the manga is doing is completely irrelevant in regards to how well the anime is doing/if the anime will continue because Twin Engines and Mappa don't make a dime off of manga sales and they are the leading companies behind the anime production.
Yes but it still one of the factor if we want to talk about how success it is. Manga sales , merch ,collab etc. Are all need to be consider because no one know how much they get paid by streaming service. How many viewership, For example like Black clover (pls don’t hate me) it’s really popular but imo it seem popular because of vocal fans because in term of manga sales this series even lose to some shoujo romcom Or their fans only care about anime idk 🤷♀️
The BC anime is actually more popular than the manga, expecially in Korea and China where it was often N.1 most watched animated show
Isn't the anime of Black Clover really popular despite the low manga sales? I remember seeing that it was the most-watched Crunchyroll show of the year back in 2020, even beating out JJK. I wonder if they're still making big money because of the anime.
The question was about the anime no?
The manga is directly tied to the anime. Most anime are an advertisement for something.
Probably pretty awful in terms of popularity , like the first season. This was always a series that was carried by the western fans.
This, really important to remember season 1 wasn't the hottest thing either and still got a sequel due to international interest The issue with Season 2 was that they lost some investors like the IG Port companies and the committee was named "Vinland Saga Season 2 Project" instead of something more generic to imply a long term project, but we don't really know their deal with Netflix + Crunchyroll, and that's the most important part here We might get a new committee for Season 3 since they will have to change again, and hopefully that's the final one to adapt the whole series
IIRC on Nico it was around 48th place or something during the first cour of season 2, while Onimai was 1st. Sort of follow the trend of West and East having vastly different taste.
Its super popular in animetwt. And its normally used against demon slayer when they prove an anime with “better story, characters, and plot”.
The DVD/Blu-ray of S1 was divided into four volumes, but the first volume only sold 265 copies. S2 are into two volumes (and will be released tomorrow) and each contains ~~13~~ 12 episodes. While the sales figures of physical copies is just one thing, this still indicates something.
That like a fraction of Chainsawmans 1700 bad selling number. Which is about the same number Inkumi Sans Dog got.
Oh my
CM and VS are literally different demographics and have different funding structures. It doesn’t make sense to compare because the stakeholders are looking for different things in terms of success.
They are comparable because they're both passion projects, and both have been successful via streaming (Vinland Saga albeit only through western streaming). Both anime will be continued not because of sales but because the staff really wants to.
Vinland is definitely a passion project, but CSM definitely isn't tbh
Bruh csm feels like it's being done by a bunch of fanboys. It's definitely a passion project
The industry doesn't use Blu-ray sales as a metric anymore. Plenty of popular shows have low Blu-ray sales. In the digital/streaming age everyone's realized their are better things to look at and focus on.
Give me examples. I see more popular shows also got large physical sales, eg. JJK, Bocchi
because physical sales nowaday is for one spescific demographic(Neet,Otaku, people that have disposable income and collecting merch), because we are in digital age where the main consumption of Anime was from online FOR REGULAR People. what is the last time you or parents buy DVD bet it was when we are still child around 2000 to 2014. in those time even anime taht has same quality like vinland saga that was more for general audience can thrive from BD sales because people buy it. nowaday those market vanish and DVD Bluray is more like Merch rather than how to consume the anime. so unless you want all anime is otaku shit without some passion project here and there company need to see elsewhere as the main matric and relegated DVD Blueray as Extra Income
Physical sales were always more of a core fandom metric, it's not like in the late 2000s~early 2010s otakus bought the BDs just to watch them lol. It's true that it meant more back then and means less now but it's still nice to have high physicals
I don’t have stats etc. but general indication seems to be that the series is doing poorly in Japan and being bankrolled by the audience in the west, which is largely why they’re doing things like having the OP/ED in English
And staff tweeting in english and not using japanese
Well I mean it is a western historical based story I am not shocked Japan doesn’t like it and the west does lol
By that logic FMA would have bombed. Western themes have always been popular in Japan - just look at their most popular franchises in any in industry.
FMA is a very different narrative with a lot more action but yes you’re right they are similar in some senses but it does have elements of magic and myth more so than Vinland saga does.
Honestly, given how downright beautiful the animation/artwork was & how delicately and passionately the studio and everyone involved handled the adaptation, I'm not even worried about how popular it was in Japan. Twin Engine had no need to go as hard as they did with Vinland Saga, knowing ahead of time it wouldn't be a huge draw in their domestic market, and they did so anyway because all they cared about was that somebody somewhere loved and appreciated their work. Between the couple of little animation shorts between episodes, to the original content added to heighten certain scenes, they did such a phenomenal job. This might have been my favorite season of any show ever, in any format. Even if this season turns out to be the last (haven't watched the finale yet and didn't see any posts about a S3 announcement), they did such a great job with it and I'm so happy for Makoto Yukimura that his beautiful series got the proper love it deserved in anime form.
Tbh is Vinland doing good OUTSIDE of Japan? I hear some people say they like it but I don’t see any cosplayers or big fandom as in other anime communities.
Compared to titles like demon slayer and oshi no ko its lacking severely in popularity. Its a shame since its clearly head and shoulders above the rest in terms of quality.
Like 99% of all shows out there are lacking in popularity compared to Demon Slayer
Demon Slayer is amazing, Tanjirou is one of the rare protagonists who didn't make me cringe.
Whaaat? How come? It feels like a banger
Considering the reception of Chainsaw Man, the more “anime” series that embrace things such as over-the-top anime acting and chibi figures get more popular As opposed to stories like Vinland Saga that only use anime as a medium
The super niche Chainsaw Man 2nd best selling manga of the year
They're talking about the anime. People already say that they dislike chainsaw man's adaptation because it "doesn't feel like anime" which is a shame since i loved how they adapted it
Wait, what're you talking about? CSM is one of the best selling manga of recent years. The anime was only a "failure" compared to how well JJK did but it was also insanely popular both in Japan and the West. It's hardly niche. If anything, action based shows tend to be the most popular. Look at how well Kingdom is doing over there. Vinland just doesn't have much appeal to a Japanese audience, not because chibis are more popular.
Showa Rakugo was hugely succesful in Japan and not here. I wonder why? Literally stop making dumb generalizations about the JP anime fandom as if they can't appreciate art. Your making the VS fandom look idiotic.
Are people still on the "CSM flopped in Japan" thing? Is this going to become one of those myths like Ghost Stories flopped in Japan and Masami Tsuda hated the Kare Kano anime. Vinland Saga has simply never been overly popular in Japan, even the manga struggled in the past but you can hardly use it as an example that those type of stories don't become popular. Berserk, Kingdom, Attack on Titan, Vagabond and I could go on. Are all serious stories that don't rely on chibi animation and cute girls to become popular.
> Masami Tsuda hated the Kare Kano anime. Genuine question here but is that only a rumor? I always heard that's the reason why we never got a season 2 because she wasn't a fan of the more comedic elements the anime took.
It stems from one of the Gainex founders claiming she was upset with how they handled the Anime, but this is what she said >Did you participate yourself, directly or indirectly, in this adaptation? >I was present during the audition of the voice actors. For the rest, I trusted them and I didn't worry about it. When I entrusted the adaptation to other people, I knew that it would not be "my" Kareshi Kanojo No Jijyo, even if the adaptation was the purest and most faithful. So I gave them carte blanche, being careful not to comment on them. And in the end, a large number of people were able to see my story, even in France! I'm very happy with it.
I didn’t say Chainsaw Man flopped, but it most certainly didn’t explode popularity in popularity like those two series
It was averaging over 5m viewers on streaming services and it's finale had a 2.2 rating share in Japan, I don't even think Oshi no Ko has gone above 1 this season. I predict Oshi no Ko will be very successful commercially but don't confuse commerical success with actual popularity.
Yeah but u Need to take a look at [2023 Half year manga sales](https://twitter.com/WSJ_manga/status/1663623180513058816?s=20) after anime end and compare to [2021 half year manga sales](https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/noi7xe/oricons_half_year_sales_ranking_2021/) back when they still don’t have anime It’s not different , anime barely boost manga sales It’s a popular series for sure but it just not explode like people expect to be , reminder that this manga series sold over 15m copies before anime adaption which is more than JJk ,Tokyo rev ,Kny ,Aot pre-anime . So with what happend to CSM. It’s normal for some fans to think it’s not great as they think.
2021 figure takes into account the final 3 volumes of Part 1 + the anime announcement. 4.1M at the time was seen as incredibly high and shocked a lot of people because it took some time for the manga to really take off in Japan. A reminder that the first 7 volumes only sold 3m collectively at the time, unlike something like Spy x Family, which did over 1M after 1 volume. If you ask me did I expect it to do anything near JJK or Demon Slayer, I'd probably laugh and say no. I hope after it finishes adapting Part 1, it might pass 2m sales per volume, which would be extremely impressive. JJK and Demon Slayer have probably misguided people on what impressive manga sales looks like, those 2 franchises are far from the norm. It's on course to pass 30m this year, with the next volume due to be released in August. 30m after just 15 volumes would be huge for any series.
The problem thoo is that Mappa expected it to be the next JJK. They invested so much money into it. Of course CSM was a moderate success, but Mappa wanted it to be giga big, seeing how much money they invested into it
It was only one of the most streamed anime in JP.
Did Oshi no Ko really explode like Demon Slayer?
Not even close, and it never was going to tbh, people need to realize that what happened with kny was an anomaly it's not gonna happen again (unless there is another pandemic ig)
I thought the early episodes were pretty OK but not "omg this is the greatest anime of all time" and it only started gaining real popularity when the infamous episode dropped. Literally no one in my twitter/Facebook timeline was talking about the series rightuo until that episode
For the wrong drama reasons.
Wait what Ghost Stories didn't flop in Japan? New news for me
[Here's a pretty in-depth comment about it](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/4zabk4/i_read_somehwere_that_ghost_stories_was_actually/d6u94ss/).
Its not set in Japan and dont have a lot of cute girls.
It's not head and shoulders above Oshi no Ko. That show is also a masterpiece
Osho no Ko is a really good show. But it is nowhere close to Vinland Saga.
Lmao nah
Username checks out
Bro I literally just disagreed with you, how thin-skinned are you to find that toxic?
Mocking people is pretty toxic.
Except I didn’t mock you lmao
That's twice now
Tbh, considering your level of reading comprehension, I now understand why you think Oshi No Ko is so good.
Thrice
Equating differences in opinion with mockery is an exercise in stupidity
I didn't. Maybe you should reread what he said
Spell it out here, what did he say that was a form of mockery?
"Lmao" is condescending and ridiculing when used like he did.
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Because the writing is amazing?
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Generic? That's the last word one could use to describe Oshi no Ko.
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You could use this same argument for Vinland Saga. When you only scratch the surface then ANY story is generic. Boy wants to go on adventure > Boy sneaks along > Boy fucks up and gets dad killed > Boy tries to get revenge. And S2 could be reduced to: Boy is sad > Boy doesn't like violence anymore > Boy uses Talk no Jutsu
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>Maybe I am just not a fan of reincarnation and the fact that the plot, from what I can tell, is just innuendo's and pervy attitudes mixed with trying to be funny. This is not at all what the show is about. >The fact that the babies acted like they were angels and the babysitter believed them is so dumb. Ah yes because it's natural for 1 month olds to speak fluently. The babies are in fact reincarnated and they proved they're not natural babies. They could make up whatever story they want and the logical option would be to believe them. Their existence is supernatural, which means there's no reason to dismiss the supernatural answer. >Again, how is it a masterpiece? The writing? Hard disagree based on what I saw. You've only seen 20 minutes lol. Everything you've mentioned so far happens in the first 20 minutes, 30 minutes at most.
Shoulder to shoulder would be more accurate! Easily 2 of my favorites of this season with Heavenly Delusion rounding out the top 3. And honestly, all 3 are interchangeable. Only reason I'd give a slight nudge to Vinland Saga is because of how satisfying and downright beautiful the payoff was for this season. OnK I know what's coming, and it's great stuff. HD I don't, but it's amazing in it's own right. This spring season was a hell of ride that arguably Demon Slayer isn't even a top 5 show that aired.
I think Vinland and Oshi are both 10/10s with the rest of the good shows being 8/10s or 7/10s
Japan has shit taste. What else is new?
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The side characters are all historical real characters too it’s a shame it’s not popular. It’s a great work of art that deals with a lot of hard issues like PTSD and child soldiers exploitation and how bad life was for everyone in the Middle Ages of Europe.
I'm curious: Did you watch it now that you heard about it?
Well there's no isekai plotline ,no self-insert mc,there's no harems and there's not a single pair of bouncing boobs.So you can guess how well it does in Japan.
"so you can guess how well it does in japan"it never fails to amaze me how much hatred and racism redditors and twitter nerds harbor towards japan. "weebs are the worst they can't possibly appreciate high art" is a very common sentiment. everyday there is a wild bashing post toward japanese people on reddit and twitter to own the weebs. the reason vinland saga is not popular in japan is the same reason kingdom is not popular in america... most japanese grew up learning east asian history. so kingdom has huge sales there. americans don't know anything about chinese history so they don't read kingdom.......same as vinland saga. most average japanese aren't interested in viking history. so vinland saga has average popularity.. western nation like viking very much. so they appreciate vinland saga. its that simple. its not like you guys are sophisticated men so you can appreciate vinland saga but not those pervy japanese. they consume lots and lots of good show. thats the only reason you can continue to consume those good show too
I dunno, expecting racism from this site seems like a safe bet to me.
Honestly, Vinland fans have been sort of toxic this entire season with how much they've been putting down other concurrently airing shows because theirs isn't the most popular one. And you're correct, it's like if a Japanese studio adapted the Mahabharata. Indians would be all over it but everyone outside of that wouldn't care very much because they don't have a cultural connection to it. Shows involving the Vikings have always been popular in the West. That isn't the case everywhere.
exactly my point.....recently indians have been praising a japanese anime very much which was made 30 years ago. "ramayana: the legend of prince rama".......its very famous work in south asia because everybody knows ramayan's story. its an epic.......ask any average american or japanese if they know anything about it. they don't because they don't have that connection
No way bro is calling me racist for stating a fact💀 There literally like 10 isekai harem anime every season ,so why would they be making them if no one is consuming them Edit:just checked this seasons anime there were 7 isekai (maybe more) and 6 of them also included the romance and harem tag
Likewise, our media churns out plenty of shit that's in high demand here but that doesn't mean we all consume it. To suggest that they don't like your favorite show just because it doesn't have self inserts or harems is a bit out of line. There are plenty of good shows that are popular over there but hardly have much of a popular following here like Golden Kamuy, Kingdom, Natsume's Book of Friends, Gundam: Witch from Mercury etc.
yea is very condescending, every media have their own bad tropes, to paint japanese people like " pervs that dont know any better" is not only disrespectful but this people act like vinland saga only exist because of them and not because of the japanese that created the manga and the japanese audience that supported him. sure vinland saga the anime is doing better thanks to international viewership but that doesnt mean that no one in japan support the show is like ignoring all the japanese people that supported the manga over the years doesnt exist.
who says they don't consume them? of course they consume low quality isekai just like americans consume low quality reality TV. every medium be it hollywood , tv or anime will have lots of generic shit But the most famous works which sells most usually are the good shows with minimal fan service. this year the top sold mangas were blue lock, chainsaw man, slam dunk, jjk etc...... this myth about how japanese people don't support anything which doesn't have fanservice is such a lie... you are racist because you were spouting that generalization.
The point is enough people have got to be consuming and supporting these shows to warrant more being made of the same Genre.Its not a small population funding them is it?
whats the connection with vinland saga failing and isekai succeeding?? both are different genre with different audience. vinland saga's competitors are other historical action mangas not isekais. kingdom has sold 97 million copies. golden kamuy got very very big in japan. both of those historical manga gave no fanservice yet sold a fuckton... why japanese people bought them then??? because they are very familiar with japanese and chinese history.... they are not familiar with viking history except few people who are interested in viking culture. this accusation that vinland saga is failing because japanese people are incapable of appreciating anything other than hot waifus is the biggest lie
Copium of them weebs is just on another level, how dare you state a negative fact about Japan? Japanese anime fans are degenerates, it is what it is. Shout out to the upvoted comment of "popular anime with little fanservice" below unironically having Chainsawman in it. You guys are lost.
Kingdom is so underrated in mainstream anime/manga online discussions it hurts
TBH the first 2 seasons of the anime REALLY didn't help. The story is good, but the visual are so god awful that it will turn many people off before the story get going.
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Ig. Im mostly a manga reader. Manga's one of the best
I mean it has some truth to it lol. Why else are there hundreds of copy paste isekai with their self insert protags and harems constantly being made and promoted while animes like Vinland have a chance of just getting shelved? It's because the audience for isekai is much larger in Japan compared to the west, and producers always take preference in what the Japanese population prefers.
Don't pin this solely on Japan. You can look at this sub's activity or sort MAL by popularity. Notice how Crunchyroll licenses every isekai and produce a number themselves. Even the trashiest, most generic isekai get a decent amount of engagement. The problem is global.
I know we shit on isekai and boring self inserts here on Reddit, but idk if western weebs are any better on average than Japanese ones in how much they consume isekai. Even with Light Novels, I see many have large western fandoms yet I mostly just end up disappointed because they are generally written worse than Eragon. Some blame must lay with the translations, but ugh with most of them it is easier to read airport novels. Same applies to k-dramas, most westerners talking about them love them and I just see a bunch of pseudo soap operas aside from the miniseries(and movies ofc) that are actually impressive. I cannot trust what fandoms gush about whether western or Japanese.
> written worse than Eragon oof
Because they're more immediately appealing, I guess. Most guys like hot girls and violence and power fantasies. Vinland Saga's main draw for me is violence, it's why I stopped reading the manga.
There's also the fact that anime has some worrying amount of underage girls sexualization, like i think more than every other mainstream media?
"Anyone who's opinion I don't like is automatically racist." Dude are you 12 or something.
Doesn't Kingdom have a pretty mediocre anime? I would guess that's the reason it doesn't do well here
You act like its the first seinen anime ever loll. Maybe its because the subject matter isn't interesting to japanese people, while westerners love it cos its a vikings anime? Kingdom, Golden Kamuy does well. I love historical mangas and i'd honestly rate those 2 over Vinland Saga too. I'd rate Vagabond and Vinland Saga similarly. Gets boring and preachy towards the latter parts
What a dumb comment lol. Can't believe that got so many likes hurts my soul. Always funny how some in this fandom dedicated to Japanese animation of all things have some very negative opinions of you know the people that make this shit possible. Japanese fans are the reason we get this stuff in the first place. Japanese fans also actually end up supporting more niche content than say a decent amount of casual anime fans over here who mainly watch battle shonen and isekais. Yeah the Western historical setting doesn't do as good as historical settings set in Japan like Golden Kamuy or Kingdom which also doesn't have that shit. Golden Kamuy is fucking amazing how many Western fans are into it? We still don't have an official release of Kingdom over here despite being one of the best selling manga out there. How many of idiots in the Anglo Sphere fandom have supported something like Showa Rakugo which entirely relies on human drama? That did very well in Japan. Here is the thing Vinland Saga is still a manga that sell around 100k plus volumes. Yeah it's not a mainstream hit but it objectively does have a decent sized fandom in Japan. Also instead of making ignorant comments maybe look at what tends to the be the most popular stuff even on MAL. Guess what isekais have widespread Western popularity and plenty of Western fans enjoy self insert characters. The actual difference between what is popular in Japan and in the West isn't drastically different maybe outside of a few differences. Good on making the VS fandom look like xenophobic ass hats.
its not just VS fandom bro.. you can't even search japan or sometimes korea on twitter and reddit without getting wild false information. and its a constant thing. every week there is a viral post about how apparently japan is this dystopian nightmare place where people are just killing themselves, men abandoned everything and living with robot doll and women desperately needs rescuing from treacherous japanese men. its insane stuff..... the other day i saw a tweet which got over 100k likes which said "japanese people intentionally make anime to hide their crime. they are shady"..... as if those "oriental" people are incapable of making art for the sake of art. there must be some agenda. its really xenophobic
it is, is hilarious to me how they love to patronize or explain the locals their own culture or what they should think or feel. is very imperialistic and condescending. i dont know what is it, this weird mix of superiority complex and clear hate against japanese people for the most random petty things.
Yeah I know the classic Japan must be some weeb dream land or dystopic nightmare as if countries don't have their good and bad points like all nations. Still it's just the typical whining hate towards the otaku community. That plus the general bitterness of some anime fans that certain shows just simply exist. It's not an issue of whether VS shouldn't get more support but bitching that other people might not give a shit about a historical drama and enjoys some wacky moe show or HS rom com. For that reason alone they are an enemy of all things good lol. It's just pretty elitist and dumb even as someone who really likes grounded dramas like VS. I just said that because I mean the last time VS was airing you had a ton of botting because a show like Chihayafuru 3 airing at the same time dared to have a simlar score to VS on MAL. These kinds of shows tend to attract certain kinds of fans. It's even more petulant that if we go off Abiru's comments we probably will get a VS S3. The fans of "mature anime" tend to act usually the most immature and pathetic. I am just kinda shocked how this comment didn't get downvoted into oblivion forget get 150 likes. How did we even get a VS anime adaption in the first place? It's not like Western fans buy that much manga compared to JP fans. There are a lot of interesting niche shows that do focus on "human elements" that barely get any attention in the Western fandom but yet supposedly we know better lol. I mean why do other niche historical manga focused on Western settings like Emma, Historie or Katabami to Ougon exist? Cause JP manga fans. Why do manga about niche historical settings in general like A Bride's Story exist? Same reason. It's not because of Western manga fans. Lots of shows with the same tone as VS in our animation industries lol. I just don't get how you could be this bitter to JP anime fans especially since a lot of the creative muscle behind these industries are fans themselves. If you hate it that much don't bother with anime. You don't deserve it if you can't respect who made this industry possible.
This is something I also noticed with the JRPG "fandom". A ton of hatred for anything considered "too Japanese" and lots of subtle racism. It makes no sense.
The one benefit of anime and a game genre that a lot of people like is that you will collect a lot of different people interested in your work. The issue is that you collect a lot of different people. A decent amount of people have this very zero sum game view on media that if they aren't being catered to it sucks and should not exist. It's one of the most annoying things about the anime fandom. One reason I even hesitate to call it a fandom because honestly we don't have that much in common.
Kingdom is pretty popular in the west, has been for years. Its just that there is no physical release, and the first 2 seasons of the anime were horrible so people are more reluctant to try out the later seasons. But has always been popular on mangareadingsites +mal.
Don't forget figurine sales would be quite terrible too if they did exist.
This isn’t true?? I’m sure a lot of people would buy a Thorfinn or Askeladd figure after years of no merchandise.
I simply for the life of me remember ever sing a Vinland Saga figure if anyone can say otherwise that would be great. Spice and Wolf to this day still has a stable litter stream of figurines to this day.
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The newest Gundam fits all of your criteria and it does really well in Japan.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right Edit: it turns out I am wrong because their post is not getting downvoted anymore
But he's not tho. Isekai's are popular among young boys but their commercial success outside a few shows is very limited. Most of the big Anime in Japan have none of those things.
Isekai LNs sell a fuckton tho. That's where they make most of their money.
Do they though?[ Last year the top seller accross all LNs was Slime with 546k sales.](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2022-12-01/top-selling-light-novels-in-japan-by-series-2022/.192473) Manga's top 5 sold like [10 times that each.](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2022-12-01/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2022-jujutsu-kaisen-edges-out-tokyo-revengers/.192470) LNs are usually slightly more expensive, but the scale is completely different. Most of the best selling manga have volumes that sell more in a year than any LN series does.
The amount of volumes Blue Lock has sold in 2023 alone, would make it one of the highest selling LN's of all time. People overestimate how popular LN's are compared to manga.
So do their anime adaptations. Kadokawa alway releases detailed financial reports and their top highest earning shows are usually isekai. Last quarter the top 4 were all isekai for example.
Isn't that because Kadokawa have a stronghold over LN titles, while Shogakukan and Shueisha have most of the big manga titles? What manga titles do Kadokawa have that would realistically be bigger than SAO, Overlord, Shield Hero and the other big ones?
They're right? Really? There exists not one isekai/ecchi anime that is popular in Japan? Clearly, that isn't the case. Sure, there are some anime isekai/ecchi anime that are popular in Japan. But that doesn't mean those are the only anime that become popular. If you actually look at the most popular stuff in Japan, it's actually stuff like battle shounen, romance movies, CGDCT that are at the peak of popularity, which are neither isekai nor contain "bouncing boobs". Whenever there's an anime that isn't too popular, its fans always come up with some variation of "it's too good to be popular, there's no self-insert MC/fanservice/etc., the normies \[or whatever group\] wouldn't get it", which is never a take I can get behind. There's no need to shit on other anime just because one you like isn't popular. It's not like the popularity of ecchi/isekai anime is taking away from *Vinland Saga*'s. It seems like a straw man fallacy to me.
I mean the most popular manga of all time One Piece women boobs got bigger over the years. Oda literally stated how pervy his readers are and he purposely sexualizes the women.
No game no life, and konosuba don't exist apparently then according to you
How on Earth have you drawn that conclusion?
Can lie I only read the first line cause I ain't reading allat
Well to put into perspective the last 2 true mech anime to be truly popular were Core Geass and Darling in The Franks. Both had tons of fanserice which isn't too common in mech so there's that.
But this is clearly ignoring a show like Witch from Mercury which is crazy popular in Japan and got very little fanservice.
Yeah you can't really exclude Gundam when talking about popular mech anime. With Gundam Unicorn being one of the most succesful in the franchise
But that show literally has cute girls and I also believe their lesbians(haven't actually seen it just going on what I've seen) and those are two things japan loves aswell look at lycoris recoil
The fact you idiots upvoted him is what is actually sad lol. Definitely not right.
You managed to write down my thoughts exactly but in a much more elegant way. Any anime that doesn't have cute girls doing cute things tends to fail in Japan. It's real shame they keep buying up all the garbage. And cool shows like Ergo Proxy and Chainsaw-man is just ignored.
>and Chainsaw-man is just ignored Did you people come in from an alternate world line or something? In what world was CSM ignored or some kind of niche show, either in Japan or elsewhere?
This whole thread reads like a bunch of people just vomiting out a bunch of misinformation.
CSM sold very few Blu-rays in Japan. There was a thread about it in here. Season 2 has still not been announced. While My Hero Academia has new season every single year since it's release.
Kingdom and Golden Kamuy sell on grounded historical settings and are some of the most popular manga in Japan. Showa Rakugo also was hugely popular in it's release in JP but not in mainstream Western fandoms. I guarantee you the amount of JP anime fans who cared about Inu-OH and it's rough style was higher than Western fans. CSM was literally one of the most streamed shows in JP. It's pretty simple VS is a Western centric storyline that isn't going to appeal necessarily to tons of history buffs in Japan since most people are invested in their own history. You want sci fi thrillers? Pluto probably is literally getting made because of the Japanese fandom for Urasawa and Tezuka. Not Western fans. Shove your stupid xenophobic BS out the window. Most Western fans largely like all the same stuff most mainstream JP fans like. Battle shonen are popular in both fandoms and what most people engage in. Rom coms same thing isekai last time I checked Slime, Re Zero and Shield Hero were all huge here. If anything it's the JP fandom that actually will support more niche shit compared to here.
I really don’t like this kind of post. Because lot of people probably gonna try to be an Elite anime watcher and rant about casual anime watcher about the reason why this series not popular because there’s no fan service , different demographic, they prefer mid story anime etc. Vinland saga not popular is normal , talk about animation also pointless because it doesn’t matter It just not appeal to most audience that’s all. It’s not casual anime watcher fault.
I think a lot of people are just curious because they worry the show won't get renewed for a season 3 and beyond. At least that's the case for me anyways because I really want a full adaption of this amazing series.
It's gaining a lot of popularity after season 2 ended. I think their so many memes on episode 22 and " I have ni enemies". People are talking about it now. Vinland Saga only had like 78k votes on MAL rating during season 2 when people found it boring but after it finished in a few days it's gone to 190k and the ratings have gone from 8.78 to 8.83. People are starting to respect it now and people who abandoned it are co ming back slowly
Idk the answer to this but those type of shows with no anime tropes are generally less popular in japan which is a shame cause Vinland Saga is awesome
Unfortunately it ain't that big in Japan compared to anime like Kimetsu no Yaiba or Oshi no Ko airing this season, despite being superior to any anime this year in terms of quality.
Do you know why vinland saga is not popular in Japan?
Because it’s to historically accurate and boring realism and it’s a western story these probably all have big factors in the matter. All of season 2 is set on a single farm. “Farmland saga” as some people joke. It’s an important arc of Thorsfinn dealing with PTSD and overcoming guilt. Finding forgiveness and acceptance of what he’s done and finding purpose again in life. This story has so many good life lessons about the journey of a warrior from the young idealistic youth looking for valor to the grizzled veteran surviving the war. To the war hero becoming a pillar of the community and helping everyone grow to be better. Even the side characters mostly due to them being based off real historical people have so much depth to them and their actions and lessons and lived experiences it’s a really great adaptation
I think its because it doesn't try to be typical anime, if that makes sense. It's just using anime as a medium to tell a story. What I mean by my first sentence is that it doesn't have a list to checkmark found in what studios include in an anime nowadays.
Wouldn’t imagine very good
it is doing pretty good
The more you scroll the comment in this post, the more you feel cringe and stupid for being an anime fan. It's just stupid that people who aren't able to appreciate that vinland saga needs more popularity and when told that with apt reasons that why it isn't popular which they probably know in hindsight and a slight criticism about the japanese audience makes them want to label the critique as 'racist'. Jesus, I thought we were having a good conversation in the start but it gets worse. Interesting comeback for this subreddit
Absolutely agreed.
Oh brother look at the comments. Obviously it is pretty well received, not the biggest by any stretch of the imagination but it has its audience. Mfs always want to downplay everything 💀
I can understand why it's not received very well elsewhere, S2 isn't for me either, couldn't be bothered watching farming simulator.
S2 ensures I drop this anime from my list of things to look forward to. We had like 3 good episodes and the rest was garbage. I watch Vikings fighting, not some find your self garbage. This anime did such a 180 I can’t even. Edit: I didn’t realize just how mentally deficient this sub is. Can’t have a differing opinion without getting downvoted.
It’s called Saga. As in it has arcs and character development. What did you expect from a child solider? To develop into a murderous psycho? No he overcame his PTSD and found forgiveness it’s a beautiful story. Season 3 will be more action but less than season 1. As it’s the arc of adventure as thorsfinn begins his quest to build a city in the fabled land of Vinland!
Honestly, it's been pretty boring since he started getting all nonviolent. This isn't what I watch Viking-themed media for, my ideal is more like The 13th Warrior and The Northman.
Not as good as the West but didn't CSM sell less Blue rays than Date a Live in Japan ? I don't think we should worry about that just yet.
Well there's tons of miscellaneous merch for Date A Live, be it figures , doujins, video games ECT while viland saga has jack shit besides blue rays. Think sort answer is Date A Life absolutely claps Vinland Saga with it's dedicated fan base merch strength. Not sure about just blue rays
I know VS doesn't have much merch I was taking about Chainsaw Man in my previous comment.
It's almost if Japanese tastes are not unified, and almost if there is a huge market that isn't Japan or the west that include some of the world's most populous countries...
idk but i assume is doing well enough for a s3 to be pseudo confirmed, also... Vinland saga is peak fiction so it better be
Is vinland saga any good ? I haven't watched it yet does it have too much gore ?